Interesting find, Half Lives

[Cipp21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FkaDku8sdo

Guy makes a pretty good point here, dosing once per week with long esters. I found a follow up discussion on the video too where someone broke down the half lives on paper and proved his point. Discuss, I'm very curious to see what the vets think.

Follow up discussion: (Copy & Paste add steroid-ology without hyphen to beginning of web address)

.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/657178-what-do-you-think-about.html

Mods, if posting a link to other forums is against the rules I apologize and will remove it ASAP.

 

[Oatmeal12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FkaDku8sdo

Guy makes a pretty good point here, dosing once per week with long esters. I found a follow up discussion on the video too where someone broke down the half lives on paper and proved his point. Discuss, I'm very curious to see what the vets think.

Follow up discussion: http://www..com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/657178-what-do-you-think-about.html (mods, if posting a link to other forums is against the rules I apologize and will remove it ASAP)

Very interesting. I would like to know more too


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[Cipp21]

It makes perfect sense, but I'm no AAS chemist like some of the guys on here lol.

 

[Cipp21]

Bump. Really interested in people's input!

 

[rogerdat241]

Nice i use enanthate test , always injected 1x week. The half life is 10 days, why split ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

It wouldn't play for me but I don't see how once a week would make any sense. What dosage are we talking about? You need at least 500 mgs to make a decent cycle and that's a big hit at one time plus a lot of oil. The long ester thing is nonsense. It doesn't stay even throughout. All that would mean is the entire dosage would peak and dissipate at the same time.

 

[Tectime]

If you take a line graph and place the half life spike chart( take the point of max from baseline to peak at 36 hrs then slope line back to base at 10 day intervals) you will see the peaks and valleys of time lapse between injections. This shows that the more freq the injections the more stable levels remain. The shorter the ester the more freq to keep stable. Eth and Cyp should be done on 3.5 day intervals even with longer half life's. Draw it out it's really easy and it will tell you all kinds of good info.

 

[Cipp21]

It wouldn't play for me but I don't see how once a week would make any sense. What dosage are we talking about? You need at least 500 mgs to make a decent cycle and that's a big hit at one time plus a lot of oil. The long ester thing is nonsense. It doesn't stay even throughout. All that would mean is the entire dosage would peak and dissipate at the same time.

Did you take a look at the forum discussion on it? Page 2 is where the graphs start getting drawn out. The idea is that by injecting once weekly with test e (lets say 500mg) you have a high immediate spike, and by the time you dose again 7 days later you have more test in your system then you would have doing it every 3.5 days, over a 7 day period. The idea is not to stay even, and by doing so you build up more test in your system. That thread can explain it a lot better than I can.

The video is titled "Anabolic Threshold" by bios3training, if your having trouble clicking the link.

I just figured out why the link wouldn't work to the discussion... Instructions to fix the link are in the OP.

 

[Cipp21]

If you take a line graph and place the half life spike chart( take the point of max from baseline to peak at 36 hrs then slope line back to base at 10 day intervals) you will see the peaks and valleys of time lapse between injections. This shows that the more freq the injections the more stable levels remain. The shorter the ester the more freq to keep stable. Eth and Cyp should be done on 3.5 day intervals even with longer half life's. Draw it out it's really easy and it will tell you all kinds of good info.

The idea is that by not maintaining a stable blood level you actually get more out of your test e. Like I said, do a quick read over that thread I linked to.

 

[Tectime]

I can tell you from personal experience that I benefit the most be keeping levels stable. The roller coaster ride ( small as it may be) is def not beneficial. High steady levels will always produce better results then a shock your system method. And anytime you stretch out your injections you are def playing shock effect. Your muscles are stimulated and enhanced by constant flow of hormones like feeding a burning fire dude if you cut back the fuel the fire goes down when you add the fuel it fires back up but it takes longer to get back to the max temp ! If you feed it all the time it burns high hot all the time ! Your body is amazing in the fact that it can utilize all the tes you can stand. Other factors will shut down long before your muscles will. Ect. Blood pressure, ligaments!!!! The more stable the more results! better cycles longer training Less sides more growth hmmm! I think I'll stick with stable!

 

[Cipp21]

I can tell you from personal experience that I benefit the most be keeping levels stable. The roller coaster ride ( small as it may be) is def not beneficial. High steady levels will always produce better results then a shock your system method. And anytime you stretch out your injections you are def playing shock effect. Your muscles are stimulated and enhanced by constant flow of hormones like feeding a burning fire dude if you cut back the fuel the fire goes down when you add the fuel it fires back up but it takes longer to get back to the max temp ! If you feed it all the time it burns high hot all the time ! Your body is amazing in the fact that it can utilize all the tes you can stand. Other factors will shut down long before your muscles will. Ect. Blood pressure, ligaments!!!! The more stable the more results! better cycles longer training Less sides more growth hmmm! I think I'll stick with stable!

Did you read the discussion thread? I'm not debating, just looking for a well educated discussion.

The discussion can break it down much better than I can, and there's no way I can take the time and do all the math for you on here on my phone ha. The math is already done out in that thread.

 

[rogerdat241]

I say from my experience, that 1x is enought, my first cycle was just 600mg of enanthate i read 10 day half life so i did 1x week. Now i`m 1g enanthate with letro, 1x week... Never felt ups and downs, like extreme strenght one day and less some day later. Its always the same, never did 2x week anyway maybe i`m just talking shit but 1x week it is

 

[Tectime]

Link won't open for me. I would like to read it I'm always interested in as much info as I can gather. But for the other dude about the roller coaster it's not strength up and downs it's emotional slides, pimples, the sides that unbalanced hormones cause. I don't know how much experience you have with hormone enhancement but I've done many cycles and hrt for over three yrs + and stable and injecting every 3.5 days whether eth or Cyp is always the most productive. I would like to read link and will cont to try to. Love intelligent conversation about this.

 

[rogerdat241]

Tectime I understand but i really don`t see the point of injection 2x, its 10 days, about emocional sides i just feel good on roids, hate crash tpc. I`ve been on and off since 17 years old, 22 now.
You really feel diference between injections 1x and 2x on your hrt ? What the differences ?

 

[ceo]

Tectime I understand but i really don`t see the point of injection 2x, its 10 days, about emocional sides i just feel good on roids, hate crash tpc. I`ve been on and off since 17 years old, 22 now.
You really feel diference between injections 1x and 2x on your hrt ? What the differences ?

Test enanthate half-life is about 4-5 days, not 10 days. 10 days would be the active life. Test cypionate half-life is 8 days. If you want to pick an ester to inject every 7 days, cyp would be the better choice.

 

[RickRock13]

Injecting twice per week obviously gives much more stable values, but I honestly see no difference pinning the Enanthate ester once or twice per week. An obvious advantage is not having to inject as often by doing once per week, but I don't see any additional benefit besides that and I also don't see any further benefit doing twice per week either other than cutting down oil volume. .

On paper, it makes sense for 2x week injections for stability...but your body won't notice a difference either way.

I'm cruising right now with 200mg per week test enanthate and only injecting once per week. Taking half lives into consideration, cypionate would be better for this, but I see no perceivable difference between once or twice per week. I decided to keep running test E since its what I always use on cycle, and I didn't want to have to switch esters after blasting.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Ill hv to look at this

 

[rogerdat241]

Anabolic threshold 2 is on youtube.
Why u guys don`t try ? For exemple u use 750mg of long ester. Pin the 750 in your quads and see what happens. I bet the effects will start lot faster

 

[RickRock13]

Anabolic threshold 2 is on youtube.
Why u guys don`t try ? For exemple u use 750mg of long ester. Pin the 750 in your quads and see what happens. I bet the effects will start lot faster

No different than front loading really, which I don't agree with doing

 

[rogerdat241]

pin ALL the cycle just 1x week. Deca , enan test, enan trenb. I`m newbie on forum, not trying to induce anyone.. i`m saying that i always pinned only 1x week long ester, never split to compare and always started get results 1st week. This think 3 weeks to kick in, i never had this, maybe its becouse what the guy says on the video. Just my experience

 

[ceo]

Injecting twice per week obviously gives much more stable values, but I honestly see no difference pinning the Enanthate ester once or twice per week. An obvious advantage is not having to inject as often by doing once per week, but I don't see any additional benefit besides that and I also don't see any further benefit doing twice per week either other than cutting down oil volume. .

On paper, it makes sense for 2x week injections for stability...but your body won't notice a difference either way.

I'm cruising right now with 200mg per week test enanthate and only injecting once per week. Taking half lives into consideration, cypionate would be better for this, but I see no perceivable difference between once or twice per week. I decided to keep running test E since its what I always use on cycle, and I didn't want to have to switch esters after blasting.

Yeah, we're talking like a 2 day difference so you won't notice anything in how you feel, especially on higher doses.. Your blood values on days 6 and 7 will be different but you won't physically feel any difference.

 

[stevesmi]

i have no problem pinning U esters once a week or decaonate esters. E once a week would work if you are cruising.. but if your cycle is only 8 weeks or something why not split the dose up twice a week so you get more of a buildup quicker to hit peak levels

 

[Tectime]

Roger for me I barely remember what 1x a wk injections were like it's been yrs since I've went that route. I do remember going to two injections per wk and how much easier it is to dial in right mix. I like to cycle throughout the yr with different mixes of compounds at different doses to attain certain gains. Doing 2x injections and knowing the effects of the different cpounds allows me to stay up running hard all yr with no sides. That takes a lot of experiencing and a lot of time experimenting to get that figured out for your personal situation. So only truly speaking from where I'm at in this chemistry experiment we are all involved with, 2x wkly is the best.

 

[Tectime]

Oh and Roger, not just talking feeling good I'm talking blood serum levels, keeping tes at a certain level, estrogen at bay, cholesterol low, lipids right. Try both ways with bloods and you will see. It just takes a lot of time to see or just alittle time to learn from others. Best of health either way you go!