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redsamurai
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but isn't GZ a messican? why even bring this other shit up?
Interesting facts (truth)coming out about Trayvon
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Standards dont change. You cant provoke someone then beat their ass just as you cant provoke someone then use deadly force (gun)
Texas CHL law page 58
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/forms/chl-16.pdf
Texas has reciprocation with florida so should be same
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mrplunkey
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Yup, that's why I knew he'd never post anything of substance.
Since he posted misinformation, I guess it's up to you and me to clean it up.
A person's ability to use deadly force with or without repercussion varies from state to state, but the laws fall into essentially two buckets:
"Castle Laws" that deal with people invading your home
and
"Stand Your Ground" laws that deal with how to address immediate threats against you
And your duties under these laws do not change if you have a conceal and carry permit and/or legally concealing a weapon at the time.
A conceal and carry permit allows you to hide a number of deadly weapons on your person, but does not allow you to waive those weapons around, threaten other people with them (even if they aren't brandished) or initiate violence. If you do any of those three activities, you can be criminally prosecuted just as if you didn't have a CCP in the first place. So again, there's no difference there either.
redsamurai
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If you start a bar fight in my state while armed ur in more trouble than if you weren't packing. Of course it's situation dependant as well. But if it's just two drunk guys barfighting you'll sit in jail for a day and be done with it. If the cops show up and find the piece on you and determine you started the fight you are going to sit in jail for more than 24 hours and will likely face the revocation of your CCW.
What state do you live
Makes sense, better goobermint teet to suckle
princeofsin
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Crazy stuff but so much confusion with this story.
redsamurai
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moved back from canada when i had the health issue...insurance decided to stop covering me there even though shit is cheaper up there, I dunno but anyway..i live in OH right now. There was a case about this a couple years ago by a dude who did just as I described and started a bar fight...the gun was not brandished during the fight but when cops showed up they obviously figured out he was carrying when they took everyone downtown. Dude was in serious shit when they reviewed the video that clearly showed him starting the fight.
I distinctly remember reading in the paper that he got sentenced tougher because he had a CCW and got drunk and provoked the fight. When i looked at the AZ CCW weapons permit it clearly states that you cannot deliberately provoke any sort of altercation while you're armed....and it makes sense people. It's an escalation issue....because if you provoke an altercation and then the other guy escalates, you are GOING to draw...this takes us into LE territory.
That's why Zimmerman has the burden of proof to prove that he didn't deliberately provoke the altercation AND he made a reasonable attempt to withdraw. The law states that after making a legitimate effort to withdraw your right to self defense is refreshed. What does that mean? That means that if you provoke an altercation you absolutely DO NOT have the right to defend yourself with lethal force, even if you're getting ground and pounded MMA style. So this is why they write that language into the permits, to remind people they can't be fucking around while they're packing the finality that is a firearm. "OF COURSE" the standards are going to be judged higher if you engage in altercation while you're armed. That means that if it had just been a fist fight GZ might get the benefit of the doubt...but since he was carrying a firearm all his actions prior to the altercation are going to be examined, did he do everything he could to not provoke Trayvon...and then did he do everything he could to withdraw from the situation. If he can prove that then fine....but alot of stuff doesn't add up in his story. We shall see....i for one don't have an opinion on this whole thing because too much information is still missing. But anybody that has a CCW and doesn't think that he's going to be scrutinized to a higher standard than if he wasn't armed is fooling himself.
PICK3
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were u born in the U.S.?
Awwwh, man Plunkey is going to have a field day with "health issue"!
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