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I'm finding carbs aren't needed while "on"

Vascular Freak

Vascular Freak

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I am running test,eq,primo,winstrol for those that don't know. I am in week 12 of this cycle. I have been eating 8 meals ed with a macronutrient intake of 400g protein, 110 g carbs, and 40 g fat (efa's mainly).

I must say that I am growing like crazy and am adding NOTHING but pure meat. I have dropped my bf by 2-3% over 12 weeks while growing from 174 to 185lbs! For those that are carb sensitve and are runnig a cycle, it may be worthwhile trying a diet where you only eat complex carbs pre and post workout for a total of 100g aproximately ed. I have done cycles before and kept a moderate to high carb intake and never gained anymore quality muscle than I have this cycle.

This would not be possible without gear, but while on the "standard dieting theories" seem to go out the window. AAS seems to thrive on protein and fats while just keeping enough carbs in the system to get a pump/intensity iin the gym.
 
whatever it is go with it :)
just make sure to boost Fiber content to compensate for added meat content
 
I find that I don't get the insane pumps when I low carb wile on !
I did a May show and cut carbs wile cutting, now I'm doing a slight bulker getten great pumps
 
I would venture that it works primarily because of the cycle, but you may actually be shorting yourself on energy sources since you have the recovery apsect of the cycle in your favor - the limited or lack of carbs may start to show itself when instead just some well-placed carbs may let you lift even harder / more intensity.

And Krishna's got a good point as well - low / no carb ---> lethargy.
 
Sassy69 said:
I would venture that it works primarily because of the cycle, but you may actually be shorting yourself on energy sources since you have the recovery apsect of the cycle in your favor - the limited or lack of carbs may start to show itself when instead just some well-placed carbs may let you lift even harder / more intensity.

And Krishna's got a good point as well - low / no carb ---> lethargy.
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agreed
 
Vascular Freak said:
I am running test,eq,primo,winstrol for those that don't know. I am in week 12 of this cycle. I have been eating 8 meals ed with a macronutrient intake of 400g protein, 110 g carbs, and 40 g fat (efa's mainly).

I must say that I am growing like crazy and am adding NOTHING but pure meat. I have dropped my bf by 2-3% over 12 weeks while growing from 174 to 185lbs! For those that are carb sensitve and are runnig a cycle, it may be worthwhile trying a diet where you only eat complex carbs pre and post workout for a total of 100g aproximately ed. I have done cycles before and kept a moderate to high carb intake and never gained anymore quality muscle than I have this cycle.

This would not be possible without gear, but while on the "standard dieting theories" seem to go out the window. AAS seems to thrive on protein and fats while just keeping enough carbs in the system to get a pump/intensity iin the gym.
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Diets are ver individual. What works for some, may not work for another. I personally need moderate carbs in my diet just to feel good.
 
i have always cycled low carb to help with getting nice and leaned out but this year i decided to try something new. the added carbs make a huge difference and i am carb sensitive. i think sassy is onto something with her post.
 
I have plenty of energy to train with 100% intensity but I think the contributing factor to that is that I train first thing in the am so I wake have a meal with 60 g protein and 45 g of carbs from oats along with some broccolli and my supps. I wait 1h45m and train and meal 2 comes 3 hours later.

I have a 2 part pwo meal. I have 20 g whey with 10 g bcaa and 6 g nos as I near the end of my session. After I finish I will immediately have 30g oats, 15 g cream of rice mixed together along with 6 egg whites and 20g more whey. 90 min later I will have 7oz chicken with 1/3 cups oats dry and 1 cup broccolli or salad etc, still no fats. Then every 1h45m for the rest of the day I have 50g protein with 15 g fat from loive oil or almonds, or flax oil.

I then go back later in the day after I get in 2-3 meals after my am session, and do 30 mins cardio.

I have been training 4 on double session, 1 complete day off rest and keeping calories under control during the rest day. I have actually found that when I overeat my body doesn't seem to stay in a positive nitrogen balance as well, and I tend to grow more in the gut than in the muscle itself.

I heard Chris Cook once say that "the human body and nutrition is like a race car and carburetion. If you give it too much fuel you will only flood out the engine and get poor performance, but the right blend of fuel/air makes the engine run like an animal"

Energy levels might be a little lower when carbs are low but as long as the energy is there to train that is all I really care about. When you are on a low carb diet, your body produces tremendous amounts of energy from small quantities of carb.

For all those doubting it you really should try it if your are running gear like test, primo, winstrol etc. The primo tends to thrive on low carb/low calorie diets and the added winstrol really gives you a good pump and strength no matter what, then the test is there to support recovery etc. I guarantee for those looking for a better looking physique and not just shear size. High, high protein and fats with low carb is phenomenal.
 
timtim said:
i have always cycled low carb to help with getting nice and leaned out but this year i decided to try something new. the added carbs make a huge difference and i am carb sensitive. i think sassy is onto something with her post.
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Every 4th-5th day I will add an extra 90 grams of carb spread out over the course of the day. This is almost doubling the normal carb intake and actually does fill you out. This would not work if your were not on any gear because strength etc would fall.

Everyone ask me how I get so lean with good size at the same time, and my response is that most people tend to think there bodies need more carbs than is neccessary. BCAA's in high doses can substitute carbs around training session along with NO2, this will give you a pump as if your were fully carb loaded but with low insulin levels etc you will release more GH during training, and the glycogen load PW is much more intense.
 
krishna said:
Where did you get this diet? I bet on your cycle, if you upped your carbs, you'd gain even more!
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You are definetly right bro, the carbs will help with strength and growth. I am just saying for those that are looking to drop bf and gain muscle at the same time, and are sensitive to carbs.... it actually is possible to do if protein and fat intake is high enough.

I guess if you are no sensitive to carbs and can stay lean when a moderate portion of carbs are in your diet then that would be the best approach.

I didn't actually get this diet from anywhere, just years of experimenting and trial and error with every possible dieting approach possible. This seems to be the most effective for me anyway to gain lean mass without adding an ounce of fat.
 
Vascular Freak said:
You are definetly right bro, the carbs will help with strength and growth. I am just saying for those that are looking to drop bf and gain muscle at the same time, and are sensitive to carbs.... it actually is possible to do if protein and fat intake is high enough.

I guess if you are no sensitive to carbs and can stay lean when a moderate portion of carbs are in your diet then that would be the best approach.

I didn't actually get this diet from anywhere, just years of experimenting and trial and error with every possible dieting approach possible. This seems to be the most effective for me anyway to gain lean mass without adding an ounce of fat.
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Well you know your body better than anyone else. If you're getting the results you're looking for then congrats! I've tried similar diets and had good results staying lean. I usually ended up getting grumpy and having low energy though. There comes a point when one just has to start paying attention to how their body reacts to food instead of jumping on every diet they see. Seems to me like you're at that point. Karma
 
Um.... eat the carbs.
You may have the energy you describe but your body is making glucose for you because you're not eating it. Do you know where your body is getting the glucose? It's turning your protein into glucose to replace the carbs you're leaving out. See your body knows that you'll go into a coma without glucose because it's the only food your brain eats. So it's protecting you the best way it can. You're much better off eating the carbs for energy.
 
krishna said:
Well you know your body better than anyone else. If you're getting the results you're looking for then congrats! I've tried similar diets and had good results staying lean. I usually ended up getting grumpy and having low energy though. There comes a point when one just has to start paying attention to how their body reacts to food instead of jumping on every diet they see. Seems to me like you're at that point. Karma
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Thanks bro :) You are exactly right, the best thing to do is master your own body. I may get great results in a diet like this, and you may feel like complete garbage.
 
Ulter said:
Um.... eat the carbs.
You may have the energy you describe but your body is making glucose for you because you're not eating it. Do you know where your body is getting the glucose? It's turning your protein into glucose to replace the carbs you're leaving out. See your body knows that you'll go into a coma without glucose because it's the only food your brain eats. So it's protecting you the best way it can. You're much better off eating the carbs for energy.
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Ulter, I do make sure that I have carbs in my system right around training time. I just keep carb intake low for the rest of the day while I am not to active. However, I am getting 8 hours of sleep every night and normally a 90 minute nap during the day so that may offset the energy deficit that put my body into.
 
Just for shits & grins you might consider a 1x/week carb up. Dont' go crazy and kill a couple pizzas, but just a refeed of sorts. If your body has learned to run on 110g of carb, that's great but generally small changes in diet, particularly in carbs can really kick up some good responses. You might find you feel even better or can train harder.

I guess 110 g of carb is not "no carb" -- my low carb days when I'm rotating carbs are 30g or less -- or just veggies for a day or two. Then I bump up to 50-90 g -- that's a competition carb rotation. I can also run for a quite a while on just 30 g of carb from my morning oatmeal, but I know for a fact I'm probably not running optimally.
 
I look a LOT better on a timed carb approach, but my strength isn't worth shit unless I have at least 3 carb meals before training. Sucks being carb sensitive! :(
 
Sassy69 said:
Just for shits & grins you might consider a 1x/week carb up. Dont' go crazy and kill a couple pizzas, but just a refeed of sorts. If your body has learned to run on 110g of carb, that's great but generally small changes in diet, particularly in carbs can really kick up some good responses. You might find you feel even better or can train harder.

I guess 110 g of carb is not "no carb" -- my low carb days when I'm rotating carbs are 30g or less -- or just veggies for a day or two. Then I bump up to 50-90 g -- that's a competition carb rotation. I can also run for a quite a while on just 30 g of carb from my morning oatmeal, but I know for a fact I'm probably not running optimally.
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I have been having a carb up day on occassion but not to the full extent like I do when competing etc. I know it is great for overall gains but for some reason I have been feeling great by having a "refeed" that is high in fat and protein like 16 oz steak with some veggies and then an hour and half later I will have 1 cup cottage cheese, 1 scoop whey with 3 TBSP ANPB and some almonds all mixed together. You are right that your body gets used to running on low carbs though, but I do feel great the next day after I bump the carbs a bit, I can really notice my strength climb/increased muscle fullness etc.
 
Sounds like you know what you are doing!

Out of curiosity - do you find you respond well to a fat load more than a carb load? I've seen some girls during competition prep respond fantastically to PB loads or almond loads (fat loads) whereas for me I just get "backed up".... (sorry) ... but carb loads work fantastic for me, but not for these people who do better on fat loads....
 
Sassy69 said:
Sounds like you know what you are doing!

Out of curiosity - do you find you respond well to a fat load more than a carb load? I've seen some girls during competition prep respond fantastically to PB loads or almond loads (fat loads) whereas for me I just get "backed up".... (sorry) ... but carb loads work fantastic for me, but not for these people who do better on fat loads....
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I do respond much much better to a high fat and protein load rather than carb loading. I tend to feel much fuller and vascular the following day rather than carb loading which leaves me with a lot of water retention, and also with less of a response to carbs the following day.

When i fat load I find that the next day when I add in some carbs and muscles are already filled out from the fat, the muscle grabs the glycogen and "super-saturates" the muscles bellies giving me great training session etc without the extra carbs.

Also, when I fat load I always include veggies and protein and use a combo of fats like olive oil, flax seeds (ground), almonds, and ANPB. For me I will eat about 60g of fat and 50 grams protein along with the sodium from the ANPB and I fill out great!
 
I'm a big advocate of low carb nutrient dense diets and I have lots of energy by using fats instead of carbs and yes MCT can be used for energy instead of carbs. I also tend to use biotin to increase calories being converted to energy , but then you need to increase the protein , fats and overall calories.

I don't believe 300+ grams sugar is necessary for a good workout and it's definitly not necessary for brain function
 
gjohnson5 said:
I'm a big advocate of low carb nutrient dense diets and I have lots of energy by using fats instead of carbs and yes MCT can be used for energy instead of carbs. I also tend to use biotin to increase calories being converted to energy , but then you need to increase the protein , fats and overall calories.

I don't believe 300+ grams sugar is necessary for a good workout and it's definitly not necessary for brain function
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Maybe your like me bro and respond really well to fats and protein. If I eat the carbs and protein needed to grow I store fat fast, but with protein and fat my insulin levels stay low and I can really put away some calories with no fat.
 
Vascular Freak said:
Maybe your like me bro and respond really well to fats and protein. If I eat the carbs and protein needed to grow I store fat fast, but with protein and fat my insulin levels stay low and I can really put away some calories with no fat.
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Not to make this a racial issue , but are you black?

I dunno why I fell this way, but it may be due to the deaths of Luther Vandross , Barry White and Kirby Puckett... But I think after age 30 my metabolism dropped to a very slow pace and I find that carbs are simple not needed for energy. If I did load up on carbs I would store fat big time.

When I first started a low carb diet I was lethargic (was having lethargy issues anyway) but as time when on I found I was able to adjust. I found something called coconut (milk and oil) and another thing call biotin. Those 2 with a high fats such as flax seeds, fish and fish oils, steak and a high 250+ grams of protein that I have all the energy I need.

I do take Anafits Seasapure and glucorrel r with what carbs and sometimes with protein shakes.

Speaking of which, My carbs are grapefruit , yogurt , spinach, maybe some pasta once a week or every other week. But this low level of carbs does not hinder me in the gym. it just took a while.
 
I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!
 
silverbackn said:
I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!
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I agree bro, this winter I am going to run a moderate test, eq, and primo cycle and bump up the calories and carbs a bit too see the results. I guess I am shortchaning what I could have possibly gained but I cannot say I regret it since it feels great to gain nothing but pure muscle mass. I find that those who eat like mad on cycle tend to either end up gaining fat post cycle or losing some of the muscle gained. When your eating very high calories on cycle your body is turning everything into muscle tissue. However when you stop the gear and sustain that caloric intake to maintain the mass you have gained most people tend to end up with fat gain. Bodybuilding to me is about being lean and mean 100% of the time. Pre-contest to me is no more than hardening the body and ridding it of water/sodium retention.

But to each there own, and after all i do agree with you about the metaphor of 87 octane in a dragster. :coffee:
 
It's all good bro, I'm glad that you didn't take my post the wrong way. Like I said, if it works for you that's all that matters. It just comes down to what your goals and experience levels are. I TOTALLY agree that people often times cycle and use it as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap and get sloppy or "maximize gains". I don't eat much junk in the off-season anymore. My carb intake is somewhat extreme because I'm not carb sensitive at all. I can get away with killing carbs, most people can't, but like I said they are clean carbs. I eat clean 90% of the time in the off-season. If I want something I eat it, but it's definitely the exception not the rule. I am still only weighing 225 after eating 100-200g's of carbs a meal for the last 5 weeks. My competition weight is from 205-211. The metabolism is a gift and a curse, it's great when I'm dieting but it sucks in the off-season.
 
Dammit you guys are lucky. Seriously for me to cut up for competition I have to do reasonably high protein, reasonable fat but not too much, totally have to do strict carb rotation, not go over 17-1800 cals total and increase up to 2 hrs cardio / day, in addition to my always intense ass kicking workouts. Sux to be meso / endo, female & over 40. (Could be the good German breeding hips & Swedish layer of fat as protection from cold weather... despite living in the southern climes...)
 
Sassy69 said:
Dammit you guys are lucky. Seriously for me to cut up for competition I have to do reasonably high protein, reasonable fat but not too much, totally have to do strict carb rotation, not go over 17-1800 cals total and increase up to 2 hrs cardio / day, in addition to my always intense ass kicking workouts. Sux to be meso / endo, female & over 40. (Could be the good German breeding hips & Swedish layer of fat as protection from cold weather... despite living in the southern climes...)
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Damn! I have the ultimate respect for women who compete, men are much more advantaged metabolically. There are 2 girls at my gym who compete and they hate me everytime we are all dieting. I am eating 400g's of carbs half of the days that I diet and don't do any cardio. They are eating 75 g's of carbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day. It is much easier for most men, you women who compete are badass!
 
silverbackn said:
Damn! I have the ultimate respect for women who compete, men are much more advantaged metabolically. There are 2 girls at my gym who compete and they hate me everytime we are all dieting. I am eating 400g's of carbs half of the days that I diet and don't do any cardio. They are eating 75 g's of carbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day. It is much easier for most men, you women who compete are badass!
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... or psychotic ... :chomp:
 
I think its your metabolism and this should not be the norm at all. If you're intake is 1000 grams carb + gear + 400-500g protein and you're not like 350lb then I think your metabolism is hindering your muscle gains.

What are your contest placing at BTW?

silverbackn said:
I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!
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I think the prob your gonna run into is not being able to keep the gains once your off. I have noticed when going off cycle how important carbs are for me to keep my strenght up and work out with even close to teh weights i worked out while on cycle. once the juice is out of the system i think your gonna have to change that diet up a bit if you want to maintain the gains.

some articles even point that a higher carb intake will actually get your endocrine systme functioning faster during your pct .
 
chazk said:
I think the prob your gonna run into is not being able to keep the gains once your off. I have noticed when going off cycle how important carbs are for me to keep my strenght up and work out with even close to teh weights i worked out while on cycle. once the juice is out of the system i think your gonna have to change that diet up a bit if you want to maintain the gains.

some articles even point that a higher carb intake will actually get your endocrine systme functioning faster during your pct .
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Yes yes, post cycle I will replace a few meals that are normally just protein and fat with protein and carbs. Overall my caloric intake will be about the same but I will gain the metabolic advantage of the more glycogen in the system, strength, hormonal response etc.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I think its your metabolism and this should not be the norm at all. If you're intake is 1000 grams carb + gear + 400-500g protein and you're not like 350lb then I think your metabolism is hindering your muscle gains.

What are your contest placing at BTW?
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I have been over 250 at a few different points. I am clean right now and am hovering around 225, my quads are still striated and I'm still vascular. My metabolism didn't used to be this high, it's high because I have put on alot of muscle mass. I don't think it's ever easy for someone who is already 225 and fairly lean to put on a ton of mass after 10 years of training. The average person on this board probably realistically weighs about 185 with about 12-18% bodyfat. There metbolic demands and mine would have no similarities. I'm not saying that I'm special or gifted by any means, I just have a lot more time in the gym than a lot of the guys on here because I started lifting pretty young. You have seen the diets of pro's and national level guys, the amount of food and carbs specifically they have to eat to gain mass is ridiculous.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I think its your metabolism and this should not be the norm at all. If you're intake is 1000 grams carb + gear + 400-500g protein and you're not like 350lb then I think your metabolism is hindering your muscle gains.

What are your contest placing at BTW?
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I have placed as high as second place twice. I'm 26 and have done 5 shows, the only one I didn't place in was my first one. I never touched any anabolics until I was 23 and had already been up to 240 totally clean.
 
silverbackn said:
I have been over 250 at a few different points. I am clean right now and am hovering around 225, my quads are still striated and I'm still vascular. My metabolism didn't used to be this high, it's high because I have put on alot of muscle mass. I don't think it's ever easy for someone who is already 225 and fairly lean to put on a ton of mass after 10 years of training. The average person on this board probably realistically weighs about 185 with about 12-18% bodyfat. There metbolic demands and mine would have no similarities. I'm not saying that I'm special or gifted by any means, I just have a lot more time in the gym than a lot of the guys on here because I started lifting pretty young. You have seen the diets of pro's and national level guys, the amount of food and carbs specifically they have to eat to gain mass is ridiculous.
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Cheers to ya bro, trust me it is such a good thing to have a sick metabolism. If you gained fat on a 3k diet your genetic potential would be nothing compared to what you will experience now. Some guys that have fast metabs talk like its a bad thing, but don't realize that means that everything you put in your mouth is being used as fuel and not being stored.
 
silverbackn said:
I have been over 250 at a few different points. I am clean right now and am hovering around 225, my quads are still striated and I'm still vascular. My metabolism didn't used to be this high, it's high because I have put on alot of muscle mass. I don't think it's ever easy for someone who is already 225 and fairly lean to put on a ton of mass after 10 years of training. The average person on this board probably realistically weighs about 185 with about 12-18% bodyfat. There metbolic demands and mine would have no similarities. I'm not saying that I'm special or gifted by any means, I just have a lot more time in the gym than a lot of the guys on here because I started lifting pretty young. You have seen the diets of pro's and national level guys, the amount of food and carbs specifically they have to eat to gain mass is ridiculous.
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I'm 235 - 240 at 5'9 and am probably 15% now after changing my diet being very strict on carbs. I've been working out for 20 years not 10. In terms of gear, I have only done m1t (when I could buy it in the store)... And I havent' done that in 1.5 years...
I can run full court BBall and I would only lose water, hence my diet.

If I was to do 1000g of carbs like you do I would most definitly be 300+ lb probably 350. Then again I would proabably be dead... Anyway I don't think steroids would even be needed. to reach that for me. I may have to stop my gov't job so I can do gear. Some people must think steroids are that powerful
 
what doseages r u running on cycle?

not dissing u but I got and kept 7bls on a 4 week prop cycle 100mg eod....and my diet wasnt good at all lol. I dno. I would add in some complex carbs like brown rice, quinoa and oats...see wher eu go with tht.

otherwise good luck
 
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I'm 235 - 240 at 5'9 and am probably 15% now after changing my diet being very strict on carbs. I've been working out for 20 years not 10. In terms of gear, I have only done m1t (when I could buy it in the store)... And I havent' done that in 1.5 years...
I can run full court BBall and I would only lose water, hence my diet.

If I was to do 1000g of carbs like you do I would most definitly be 300+ lb probably 350. Then again I would proabably be dead... Anyway I don't think steroids would even be needed. to reach that for me. I may have to stop my gov't job so I can do gear. Some people must think steroids are that powerful
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It sounds to me like you are very endomorhpic, I'm definitely at the other end of that spectrum. That makes a gargantuan difference in when and what types of foods you should be consuming. BTW, if you are 5'9 and that big with that low of a bodyfat you are a big ass dude. I think that most people fall somewhere in the middle of our different genetic make ups.
 
Vascular Freak said:
Cheers to ya bro, trust me it is such a good thing to have a sick metabolism. If you gained fat on a 3k diet your genetic potential would be nothing compared to what you will experience now. Some guys that have fast metabs talk like its a bad thing, but don't realize that means that everything you put in your mouth is being used as fuel and not being stored.
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Thanks bro, you're definitely right about that. A fast metabolism isn't a bad thing, I just have to be very disciplined in making sure that I don't miss meals and get in enough good food. It would be very hard to make mass gains if I blew up with bodyfat everytime I bumped up my calories. I am 6'1, it takes time to fill out when you're taller. I am pretty broad shouldered, my width is decent, I just need to put on some serious thickness. Hello deadlifts!
 
silverbackn said:
Thanks bro, you're definitely right about that. A fast metabolism isn't a bad thing, I just have to be very disciplined in making sure that I don't miss meals and get in enough good food. It would be very hard to make mass gains if I blew up with bodyfat everytime I bumped up my calories. I am 6'1, it takes time to fill out when you're taller. I am pretty broad shouldered, my width is decent, I just need to put on some serious thickness. Hello deadlifts!
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Deads, heavy shrugs, and heavy inclines brings the thickness bro. Add some primo to your cycle as well and you will end up with cartoonish width :p
 
Vascular Freak said:
Deads, heavy shrugs, and heavy inclines brings the thickness bro. Add some primo to your cycle as well and you will end up with cartoonish width :p
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I am all about some incline pressing. I have put up 315 for 4 on incline barbell. I haven't been deadlifting consistently though, I'm just getting back in that game on that. I would love to try some primo, I may throw some into my next cycle.
 
i'm an ecto but still all that matters to me when i'm on is eating enough steak and chicken. the carbs are secondary. so long i ate pasta and rice but it was not making me grow like this. i admit though i need the carbs early on for good training. but after that its all meat after that
 
bruce410 said:
i'm an ecto but still all that matters to me when i'm on is eating enough steak and chicken. the carbs are secondary. so long i ate pasta and rice but it was not making me grow like this. i admit though i need the carbs early on for good training. but after that its all meat after that
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What are you weighing?
 
bruce410 said:
i'm an ecto but still all that matters to me when i'm on is eating enough steak and chicken. the carbs are secondary. so long i ate pasta and rice but it was not making me grow like this. i admit though i need the carbs early on for good training. but after that its all meat after that
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Thats what I am saying, I hit the carbs in the am around training time pre and post workout and meal 3 as well then I just pound down the meat and cottage cheese with some healthy fats and grow like mad.
 
silverbackn said:
It sounds to me like you are very endomorhpic, I'm definitely at the other end of that spectrum. That makes a gargantuan difference in when and what types of foods you should be consuming. BTW, if you are 5'9 and that big with that low of a bodyfat you are a big ass dude. I think that most people fall somewhere in the middle of our different genetic make ups.
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Yeah , I was an ecto until I hit age 30 , LOL
But yeah , it's work to drop fat for me so even 300g of carbs is out of the question. I use high protein and high fats. if I were to bulk however I would add more carbs and more fats which would increase overall calories. I think that is the key, calories not carbs....

If we were to draw a belle curve of people in terms of height / weight and bodyfat percentage , I definitly would not be inside the standard deviation
 
gjohnson5 said:
Yeah , I was an ecto until I hit age 30 , LOL
But yeah , it's work to drop fat for me so even 300g of carbs is out of the question. I use high protein and high fats. if I were to bulk however I would add more carbs and more fats which would increase overall calories. I think that is the key, calories not carbs....

If we were to draw a belle curve of people in terms of height / weight and bodyfat percentage , I definitly would not be inside the standard deviation[/QUOTE
I definitely agree that it's all about total calories. I just think most guys who can't gain the size they want never eat enough good carbs to make gains. I eat a lot of good fats too as they are vastly important. Protein is just way overemphasized in most bodybuilders diets. Which is due to people flipping through too many muscle mags and not being educated enough to know that protein isn't able to build muscle without adequate carbs and fats in the system. I easily get 100g's of fat a day on top of the large amounts of carbs and protein. You definitely wouldn't be inside the standard deviation, you're a big kid!
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silverbackn said:
I am all about some incline pressing. I have put up 315 for 4 on incline barbell. I haven't been deadlifting consistently though, I'm just getting back in that game on that. I would love to try some primo, I may throw some into my next cycle.
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Thats good strength.... ever try doing inclines at a really steep angle almost to the point where your delts come into play? I do these with dumbells and set the incline at about a 65-75 degree angle. It really hits the delt/pec tie ins and give the illusion of upper girdle thickness. I throw these in on chest and shoulder day.
 
Vascular Freak said:
Thats good strength.... ever try doing inclines at a really steep angle almost to the point where your delts come into play? I do these with dumbells and set the incline at about a 65-75 degree angle. It really hits the delt/pec tie ins and give the illusion of upper girdle thickness. I throw these in on chest and shoulder day.
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I'm actually pretty shoulder dominant. I haven't been able to train them directly in over a year up until about 2 weeks ago with light high rep stuff at the end of my chest workout. I miss having blown up shoulders. I have just been battling an injury and trying to get back to where I can do some direct work again. I can sure as hell use some more upper body thickness!
 
I got a good carb load last night. Hit the sushi bar and got some rolls, and sushimi. The place was just closing so they were getting rid of all the food for the day. I took some glucorell and carbed it up:)
 
Vascular Freak said:
I got a good carb load last night. Hit the sushi bar and got some rolls, and sushimi. The place was just closing so they were getting rid of all the food for the day. I took some glucorell and carbed it up:)
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You can't beat that!!!!
 
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