I'm becomming a cripple on Dbol

[RADAR]

Took off today to go shopping at the mall, filled my pockets with some emergency milk thistle, half way thru the mall my left calf starting getting a umongous pump thus causing me to limp, my partned Dee asks "when did you hurt your leg?" about that time my lower back and right calf started pumping also, i was almost on my knees the time i made it to the mens room.
The milk thistle got me back in the game but just barely, 3 more painful weeks before i drop the dbol all current activities are now suspended, except Training,& eating,and working as little as possible. Yuck!

RADAR

 

[TheRide]

I heard of this b4 w/dbol. What is the reason for it?

 

[ViperHMS]

In my early days I did one of the funniest and stupidest things all at once. I decided I'd take my dbol early and go for a jog. Big mistake, my neighborhood was very very hilly and half way thru my jog it began. The insane pumps on my chins and I had the largest hill to climb before I could even round a corner and head home. 1/3rd the way up the hill I was sitting on someone's lawn and couldn't move the pain was so intense. It took me 3 hrs to get home. It was daylight when I left and well into the night before I got back. My dad was like where fuck did you run to?

 

[smaretick]

yeah...I have to sit at a desk all day...my lower back would get such bad cramps/stiffness I'd have to stand up and stretch every couple of minutes...people began to stare

 

[Makavelli]

Took off today to go shopping at the mall, filled my pockets with some emergency milk thistle, half way thru the mall my left calf starting getting a umongous pump thus causing me to limp, my partned Dee asks "when did you hurt your leg?" about that time my lower back and right calf started pumping also, i was almost on my knees the time i made it to the mens room.
The milk thistle got me back in the game but just barely, 3 more painful weeks before i drop the dbol all current activities are now suspended, except Training,& eating,and working as little as possible. Yuck!

RADAR

I hear that. This time on D-Bol I didn't get the severe lower back pumps. Must have been because I'm dieting. But I've been in that situation before.

 

[athlete.03]

Took off today to go shopping at the mall, filled my pockets with some emergency milk thistle, half way thru the mall my left calf starting getting a umongous pump thus causing me to limp, my partned Dee asks "when did you hurt your leg?" about that time my lower back and right calf started pumping also, i was almost on my knees the time i made it to the mens room.
The milk thistle got me back in the game but just barely, 3 more painful weeks before i drop the dbol all current activities are now suspended, except Training,& eating,and working as little as possible. Yuck!

RADAR

What's the dose?

 

[RADAR]

What's the dose?

Dbol is 40mg ed.
I grabbed 8 caps of MT i figured that would get me thru the day, but my left calf stayed pumped and hurt like a mofo all day .


RADAR

 

[Stryker1992]

Maybe if you walked a bit more you would not have these problems grandpa!!!!

ROTFLMAO

 

[RADAR]

Maybe if you walked a bit more you would not have these problems grandpa!!!!

ROTFLMAO

RADAR

 

[Stryker1992]

RADAR

hahaha!

That is almost as funny as my response to you!

I love you man. I also know what you mean with the d!

 

[Saint V]

Is it worth it?

 

[RADAR]

Is it worth it?

The Dbol or the pumps?

The worst of the pumps can be combatted with milk thistle If you know which one to use.
Yes its worth it, i do not have this problem at a lower dosage.

RADAR

 

[MichaelMacGyver]

Dbol is 40mg ed.
I grabbed 8 caps of MT i figured that would get me thru the day, but my left calf stayed pumped and hurt like a mofo all day .


RADAR

Maybe you need to get one of those mini scooters; I see all the kids riding on them......

 

[Goldprospector]

Reminds me of Leg day last saturday....Usually I can work through the back pumps and I don't ever have a problem with leg pumps....Anyway, I was on the squat rack and my back was firing up pretty good, I was on the last set and when I was about 1/2 of the way up on a rep....everything just fell apart. I hit bottom hard! Shit, that is the worst I have ever had! And I was about 1 1/2 hours past a 15 mg hit...Next Saturday...I will do legs just prior to my dose of D-bol!

 

[toxicsambo]

Dbol is 40mg ed.
I grabbed 8 caps of MT i figured that would get me thru the day, but my left calf stayed pumped and hurt like a mofo all day .


RADAR

How many weeks have you been running it?

 

[Neo22]

The Dbol or the pumps?

The worst of the pumps can be combatted with milk thistle If you know which one to use.
Yes its worth it, i do not have this problem at a lower dosage.

RADAR

So you think at 20mg daily it would be okay for 4 weeks?

 

[sweed]

Took off today to go shopping at the mall, filled my pockets with some emergency milk thistle, half way thru the mall my left calf starting getting a umongous pump thus causing me to limp, my partned Dee asks "when did you hurt your leg?" about that time my lower back and right calf started pumping also, i was almost on my knees the time i made it to the mens room.
The milk thistle got me back in the game but just barely, 3 more painful weeks before i drop the dbol all current activities are now suspended, except Training,& eating,and working as little as possible. Yuck!

RADAR

ya, ill be gettin those special Milk Thistle pills you referenced to someone. Ill be gettin a shit load of those. I just had a huge pump doin legs today, and im not even on... i can't wait for the darkside!

 

[HardHat87]

ya, ill be gettin those special Milk Thistle pills you referenced to someone. Ill be gettin a shit load of those. I just had a huge pump doin legs today, and im not even on... i can't wait for the darkside!

What was the link on those, where to get them at??

 

[bicepts101]

In my early days I did one of the funniest and stupidest things all at once. I decided I'd take my dbol early and go for a jog. Big mistake, my neighborhood was very very hilly and half way thru my jog it began. The insane pumps on my chins and I had the largest hill to climb before I could even round a corner and head home. 1/3rd the way up the hill I was sitting on someone's lawn and couldn't move the pain was so intense. It took me 3 hrs to get home. It was daylight when I left and well into the night before I got back. My dad was like where fuck did you run to?

this is sooo funny cause i did the same thing when i was in korea...except i was on anadrol....im in the army so i have to keep myself mobile....i planned on running 2-3 miles....lol i ran about 1 mile probably less had to walk for a while....i tried to run again but it just wouldnt happen...i turned around on walked back it took forever....the pump were so painfull

 

[RADAR]

How many weeks have you been running it?

Ramped up to 40 mg last week this is week 6



RADAR

 

[RADAR]

So you think at 20mg daily it would be okay for 4 weeks?

Should be fine with that.

RADAR

 

[UA_Iron]

yeah mean, I hear ya those pumps can be killer, especially in the shins.

Walking around campus - I usually power walk because its a big ass campus and my shins just feel like they need to be poked and drained.

 

[RADAR]

What was the link on those, where to get them at??

www.NutritionExpress.com
Linberg Milk Thistle.

RADAR

 

[hammercurls]

cant you combat this by taking in lots of pottasium?

 

[Mythicalbeing]

50 mg for 4 weeks...had same effects...crippling back and calf cramps/pumps even worse on leg day.

 

[toxicsambo]

Ramped up to 40 mg last week this is week 6



RADAR

I'm doing 35mgs ed for 4 weeks, along w/tren and testoviron. I didn't want to run d-bol too long because I enjoy jumping rope 3-4x a week and I heard alot about the pumps taking ppl to the floor. Well, I'll keep ppl posted if things happen.

 

[c17]

does anadrol 50 have the same affect?

 

[Themachine01]

I just started last week at 50mg/day, I also just started cutting so I have been doing cardio, inclined treadmill for 45-60 mins 6 days per week. So far the pumps are minimal, hopefully because I have been doing cardio for about 4 weeks now I will be able to continue with it throughout the the 4 weeks of dbol without too much pain, hopefully

 

[RADAR]

cant you combat this by taking in lots of pottasium?

Never worked for me.
RADAR

 

[RADAR]

I just started last week at 50mg/day, I also just started cutting so I have been doing cardio, inclined treadmill for 45-60 mins 6 days per week. So far the pumps are minimal, hopefully because I have been doing cardio for about 4 weeks now I will be able to continue with it throughout the the 4 weeks of dbol without too much pain, hopefully

It will catch up to you by next week then the fun begins.

RADAR

 

[babbabuee]

same thing would happen to me when I took dbol. Pumps in my jaw from chewing food. It fucks with my workouts too much. this time around i'm not exceeding 15mg/day. interesting about the milk thistle radar. I've got some on hand for my upcoming cycle, but not the same brand you mentioned. Hopefully It'll work for me. but then again, if the pumps get that bad, I'm dropping it from my cycle all together.

 

[ViperHMS]

this is sooo funny cause i did the same thing when i was in korea...except i was on anadrol....im in the army so i have to keep myself mobile....i planned on running 2-3 miles....lol i ran about 1 mile probably less had to walk for a while....i tried to run again but it just wouldnt happen...i turned around on walked back it took forever....the pump were so painfull

Glad someone knows my pain! LMFAO

 

[RADAR]

same thing would happen to me when I took dbol. Pumps in my jaw from chewing food. It fucks with my workouts too much. this time around i'm not exceeding 15mg/day. interesting about the milk thistle radar. I've got some on hand for my upcoming cycle, but not the same brand you mentioned. Hopefully It'll work for me. but then again, if the pumps get that bad, I'm dropping it from my cycle all together.

Chewing gum is a bitch also ,i was growing two biceps on each side of my forehead.

Good luck on the MT you have i'm sure there has to be other brands that compare to mine, i just havn't fount them yet, probably never will, when you have something that works you stick with it.

RADAR

 

[marqui77]

I feel your pain...lol..I was out shoveling the snow 2 days ago, my lower back was so pumped up I had to keep on take a rest on a 30 ft side walk.

 

[twinker]

Interesting thing about using milk thistle(silymarin) while on:

there's persistant bullshit circulating stating that silymarin is bad to take along with orals because it increases the rate at which the liver metabolises the drug. this is false. either no effect or the opposite has been found with both alcohol and aspirin:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4&dopt=Abstract

in vitro evidence suggests that silymarin actually inhibits drug metabolism, causing steroids to circulate in the body longer. most steroid breakdown is done by the cyp3a4 enzyme, which is significantly(dose dependant, but at least a 65% slower rate) inhibited by silymarin:

http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/cgi/co...full/28/11/1270

so why have users reported decreased steroid effects when using silymarin when the opposite should be true?

i found this study which has fascinating consequences:

http://carcin.oupjournals.org/cgi/c.../full/22/9/1399

a choice excerpt:

"SB decreased androgen-stimulated growth and prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels in LNCaP cells (6). In this study, we further evaluated the effects of SM and SB on androgen action. We found that SM and SB down-regulate several androgen-regulated genes, including PSA, human glandular kallikrein (hK2) and an immunophilin, FKBP51, mainly by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR. More interestingly, we show that SM and SB can inhibit nuclear localization of the AR. Thus this report provides a novel mechanism by which SM and SB inhibit function of the AR."

or, in plain(er) english, when an androgen comes to a cell it passes through the cell membrane and binds to an androgen receptor in the cytoplasm. upon binding, the receptor/androgen bundle float to the nucleus to tell which tell the cell to alter its behaviour, i.e. in this case, "synthesize more protein and grow larger". different androgens probably relay different messages, which is why particular stacks seem to be more effective than others, despite all binding to the same receptor.

silymarin inhibits this either by preventing androgen/receptor bundles from ever reaching the nucleus, or by allowing the bundle to drift out of the nucleus easily once there.

i.e. all androgens, oral or injectable, will not work nearly as well. avoid silymarin, and please spread the word.
Feel free to repost this anywhere with proper acknowledgements to both marble and getbig.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=23634.0

 

[fulforb]

I had the same problem with M1T as far as the back pumps go. Never really got that from DBOL so far and I have done up to 60mg a day.

 

[kbrkbr]

Radar, will MT work for fina pumps as well?

Thanks much.

 

[RADAR]

Radar, will MT work for fina pumps as well?

Thanks much.

I've had it to work in other cases,never tried fina so i can't say, wouldn't hurt to try ,its cheap.


RADAR

 

[toxicsambo]

Chewing gum is a bitch also ,i was growing two biceps on each side of my forehead.

RADAR

ROFL. That would be badass on the beach. You could oil up and flex your jaw so the peaks impress the ladies.

 

[DIVISION]

Took off today to go shopping at the mall, filled my pockets with some emergency milk thistle, half way thru the mall my left calf starting getting a umongous pump thus causing me to limp, my partned Dee asks "when did you hurt your leg?" about that time my lower back and right calf started pumping also, i was almost on my knees the time i made it to the mens room.
The milk thistle got me back in the game but just barely, 3 more painful weeks before i drop the dbol all current activities are now suspended, except Training,& eating,and working as little as possible. Yuck!

RADAR, you are not fucking CRIPPLED!!!!

Stop bitching, bro.......I hooked you up......I helped you.

Settle down, man.

BTW: Tell babyDee I still want those nudes!





DIV

 

[djgaler]

lmao !!

 

[RADAR]

RADAR, you are not fucking CRIPPLED!!!!

Stop bitching, bro.......I hooked you up......I helped you.

Settle down, man.

BTW: Tell babyDee I still want those nudes!





DIV

She says "hi" and "no!"


RADAR

 

[DIVISION]

She says "hi" and "no!"

Back 2 Business! YOU ARE NOT FUCKING CRIPPLED FROM D-BOL, RADAR!!!!

Stop with the lies & propoganda!!!!



BTW: Dee if you are reading this...please knock RADAR in the nuts for me.......he deserves it!




DIV

 

[idcbp]

I've always had the battle with lowert back pumps while cycling dbol. Radar suggested the lindbergs and it was very effective. I'm back on dbol again, but this time I'm in a cutting phase and with the limited carbs I'm not experiencing any major lower back or shin pumps with no supps or anything. I definitely believe that carb intake is a huge determinate in these pumps, though thios probably isn't much help b/c if you're bulking as most are with dbol they can't really limit their carbs, but I am convinced this is the major contributor.