I want to keep my gains!!!!!!

[willyb021]

ive posted something similar to this before but got so many different answers from everyone i still couldnt make up my mind.

last cycle i fucked up pct and lost all my gains. i took Sustain alpha and Clomid. i can no longer take either of these products. Sustain made me itch like crazy and Clomid made me super depressed and shitty feeling.

soooooo

this cycle im running 500mg test sust ew for 10 wks. and pink thai dbol 25mg ed for first five weeks.

i wanna do things right this time and keep my gains!!!aside from maintaining my diet and training, what kind of pct do i need to run to help me do this.

i already have post cycle and Unleashed. what else should i get to keep my gains and bounce back fast,

hcg? nolva? or what? please help.its a hard decision. i have ppl telling me to def get nolva.others saying not to get it. i dunno what to do.

like i said i know i posted something like this before . but i still need help. thanks.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I wouldnt waste the money on nolva. A-dex or Aromasin is what your after. HCG during cycle. Talk to Needto, Nelson, or Omega. Their PCT's may differ slightly but they will all get you where you need to be. (or any of the Vets for that matter)

 

[willyb021]

yeah ive read hcg on cycle to keep the boys nice and plump. im already halfway through my cycle though

 

[burnthiscorpse]

well, the vets i mentioned could tell you when the correct time is to start HCG based on your cycle. The advise I got on my 18 week cycle was to start HCG week 7 or 8 and run up till the last test shot.

 

[Olivelawn]

ive posted something similar to this before but got so many different answers from everyone i still couldnt make up my mind.

last cycle i fucked up pct and lost all my gains. i took Sustain alpha and Clomid. i can no longer take either of these products. Sustain made me itch like crazy and Clomid made me super depressed and shitty feeling.

soooooo

this cycle im running 500mg test sust ew for 10 wks. and pink thai dbol 25mg ed for first five weeks.

i wanna do things right this time and keep my gains!!!aside from maintaining my diet and training, what kind of pct do i need to run to help me do this.

i already have post cycle and Unleashed. what else should i get to keep my gains and bounce back fast,

hcg? nolva? or what? please help.its a hard decision. i have ppl telling me to def get nolva.others saying not to get it. i dunno what to do.

like i said i know i posted something like this before . but i still need help. thanks.

I will get bashed and slammed for telling you this but there only seems to be one way of thinking with a lot of members here. If you do this and follow it to a T you will keep 95% of your gains.

Here is what you need:
-5 or 10 mg tablets of Dbol
-Hcg
-Aromasin
-Clomid (Sorry Bro, you need this, but you won't feel depressed IF you follow this)
-Tylers liver detox
-Gluceroll
-Red yeast rice (supplement)

You're running long esters so you will do the following:

-First day after last injection 1000iu's HCG for 5 days. Use 500ius a week for the next 4-5 weeks. Use 500ius a week starting right now as well.

-One week after last injection you will run 10mg dbol ED upon rising. Don't screw it up, ED upon rising before you go to the bathroom or anything, this is important.

-Aromasin can be dosed at 25mg E3D OR 12.5mg EOD. Run this two weeks past the use of your AM dbol.

-After you drop the AM dbol you will start clomid for 1-2 weeks at 100 - 50mg, your choice. I like 100mg just because it works better for me.

-Take Tylers and Gluceroll as soon as you start the AM dbol. This will help clean up your liver enzymes. Run it one week past the AM dbol.

-Red Yeast Rice use 600mg tabs twice a day for entire PCT. This will keep chol. levels well within normal to very good levels.

Your PCT will run 8 weeks, but it works. The idea is that the AM dbol allows the body to have an increased supply of red blood cells, which in turn helps you keep your gains while your natural test levels will recover at night. The eight weeks is ideal because it's going to take longer to get back to "normal" natural test levels.

You can use any of the other OTC PCT things you have listed, that is up to you. I don't know enough about them to tell you one way or another.

Cut your training back to a max of 4 days a week. NO MORE. Keep workouts short, no more than 60 mins. Take one week off when you start your PCT and another week off once you fininsh the clomid.

 

[HAYEZ]

ive posted something similar to this before but got so many different answers from everyone i still couldnt make up my mind.

last cycle i fucked up pct and lost all my gains. i took Sustain alpha and Clomid. i can no longer take either of these products. Sustain made me itch like crazy and Clomid made me super depressed and shitty feeling.

soooooo

this cycle im running 500mg test sust ew for 10 wks. and pink thai dbol 25mg ed for first five weeks.

i wanna do things right this time and keep my gains!!!aside from maintaining my diet and training, what kind of pct do i need to run to help me do this.

i already have post cycle and Unleashed. what else should i get to keep my gains and bounce back fast,

hcg? nolva? or what? please help.its a hard decision. i have ppl telling me to def get nolva.others saying not to get it. i dunno what to do.

like i said i know i posted something like this before . but i still need help. thanks.

dont listen to anyone that tells you to forget about nolva for pct....

hcg 500iu ed 5-10 days before pct starts
Nolvadex 60mg 7 days
nolvadex 40mng 14 days
you will recover off this...dont let anyone tell you other wise...you want to add in an otc supp do so but add it onto this pct plan not in its place

 

[Nelson Montana]

dont listen to anyone that tells you to forget about nolva for pct....

hcg 500iu ed 5-10 days before pct starts
Nolvadex 60mg 7 days
nolvadex 40mng 14 days
you will recover off this...dont let anyone tell you other wise...you want to add in an otc supp do so but add it onto this pct plan not in its place

I say FORGET ABOUT NOLVA FOR RECOVERY.

2 weeks of nolva would make me a eunuch.

So we have a standoff.

Nothing mentioned so far will get your HPTA up and running on its own. UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Sustain will help.

Using AM dbol helps you keep your gains BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ON! In that case you might as well use 500 mgs of test to keep your gains. You're depending on the gear and are not maintaining it naturally.

 

[Olivelawn]

I say FORGET ABOUT NOLVA FOR RECOVERY.

2 weeks of nolva would make me a eunuch.

So we have a standoff.

Nothing mentioned so far will get your HPTA up and running on its own. UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Sustain will help.

Using AM dbol helps you keep your gains BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ON! In that case you might as well use 500 mgs of test to keep your gains. You're depending on the gear and are not maintaining it naturally.

Whatever. It works. Have you ever tried it or are you just disagreeing with it?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Whatever. It works. Have you ever tried it or are you just disagreeing with it?

 

[Ezekiel]

I say FORGET ABOUT NOLVA FOR RECOVERY.

2 weeks of nolva would make me a eunuch.

So we have a standoff.

Nothing mentioned so far will get your HPTA up and running on its own. UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Sustain will help.

Using AM dbol helps you keep your gains BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ON! In that case you might as well use 500 mgs of test to keep your gains. You're depending on the gear and are not maintaining it naturally.

Nelson, would you be so kind as to give us a retard proof step by step PCT that you would recommend?

Exact doses etc..

Blessings,

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, would you be so kind as to give us a retard proof step by step PCT that you would recommend?

Exact doses etc..

Blessings,

HMG to kick things off. 75 iu split into 2 dosages is all you need. Otherwise, HCG -- 2000 ius split into 2 dosages. More than that is overkill.

UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE Alpha Sustain

A-dex during and following the cycle.

This works. It works well.

 

[Ezekiel]

HMG to kick things off. 75 iu split into 2 dosages is all you need. Otherwise, HCG -- 2000 ius split into 2 dosages. More than that is overkill.

UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE Alpha Sustain

A-dex during and following the cycle.

This works. It works well.

Thank-you Sir!!

 

[willyb021]

so many different opinions. damn... well i know for sure im gonna run the unleashed and postcycle. cause i already have it and im a cheapass and not gonna waste it lol... but mother then that i think i wanna run HCG & adex i think. but im already 5 weeks into my cycle . i would start the unleashed and postcycle 2 weeks after. but when would i start the hcg and adex? and how much for how long. ????

 

[centeroiler]

HMG to kick things off. 75 iu split into 2 dosages is all you need. Otherwise, HCG -- 2000 ius split into 2 dosages. More than that is overkill.

UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE Alpha Sustain

A-dex during and following the cycle.

This works. It works well.

Nelson, could I use recombinant FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) and hCG to good effect rather than HMG? And, how? I asked this question in a thread before and nobody answered. Probably cause nobody knew. I have like 35-75iu amps of this stuff that I got for free and I'd like to use it if its beneficial.

 

[needtogetaas]

yeah ive read hcg on cycle to keep the boys nice and plump. im already halfway through my cycle though

At the end of your cycle run 10 days of hcg 1000ius eod. Then run nolva 20mg ed along with the postcycle and unleashed. Sucks the sustain made your skin itch its a good product.

Other things to add.

Ap02. this will help with energy,pumps and aggression.
zip. blood volume.
cla. cortisol
bcaa's recovery

All of which you lose when coming off cycle.

 

[2evil]

At the end of your cycle run 10 days of hcg 1000ius eod. Then run nolva 20mg ed along with the postcycle and unleashed. Sucks the sustain made your skin itch its a good product.

Other things to add.

Ap02. this will help with energy,pumps and aggression.
zip. blood volume.
cla. cortisol
bcaa's recovery

All of which you lose when coming off cycle.

If his nuts aren't shrunk up he could shoot 200-250 iu of HCG 2x a week now - don't cha think? Also- which version of sustain did you use? The new stuff is more like a cream and maybe won't irritate you...

 

[needtogetaas]

Whatever. It works. Have you ever tried it or are you just disagreeing with it?

Bro I have used the dbol and I have seen a lot of shit about it. Its still being on. Its not allowing full recovery. It is a good pre pct for a wile, but if you are going to do a pre pct then proviron blows dbols out of the damn water when it comes to pre pct.

 

[willyb021]

If his nuts aren't shrunk up he could shoot 200-250 iu of HCG 2x a week now - don't cha think? Also- which version of sustain did you use? The new stuff is more like a cream and maybe won't irritate you...

i dont think my actual nuts are shrunk up a wholelot. but my sack is constricted. u know. like when you bust a nut your sack gets all tight. like that

 

[needtogetaas]

If his nuts aren't shrunk up he could shoot 200-250 iu of HCG 2x a week now - don't cha think? Also- which version of sustain did you use? The new stuff is more like a cream and maybe won't irritate you...

Mid cycle now and the likely hood of him getting hcg today is slim to non. SO if he gets it by end of cycle then thats what he should do. Unless he already has it? did I miss that.

 

[willyb021]

my buddy has some hes gonna let me get . so i can strart it whenever

 

[2evil]

Mid cycle now and the likely hood of him getting hcg today is slim to non. SO if he gets it by end of cycle then thats what he should do. Unless he already has it? did I miss that.

Yeah - I thought he had it and I was thinking now. As in RIGHT now

 

[willyb021]

i can get it within the next couple days. so what do u think i should do

 

[needtogetaas]

i can get it within the next couple days. so what do u think i should do

If you could get hcg now or in a few day then yes run it 500ius twice a week till the end of cycle.

 

[willyb021]

then drop it after the cycle ends & take the unleashed,postcycle,and nolva? how much nolva bro

 

[needtogetaas]

then drop it after the cycle ends & take the unleashed,postcycle,and nolva? how much nolva bro

Yes then drop the hcg when the cycle ends. Run the postcycle/unleashed and nolva 20mg ed for 4 weeks.

 

[willyb021]

starting 1 or 2 weeks after the end of cycle?. sorry i ask so many questions. just wanna make sure i got things straight for sure ya know

 

[Harleymarleybone]

The only way to keep your gains is to keep juicing. After several months of laboring in futility, listening to the other advice you will get here, you will remember this post.

 

[willyb021]

The only way to keep your gains is to keep juicing. After several months of laboring in futility, listening to the other advice you will get here, you will remember this post.

huh? lol

 

[HAYEZ]

lmfao@ nolva nazis

 

[Nelson Montana]

The only way to keep your gains is to keep juicing. After several months of laboring in futility, listening to the other advice you will get here, you will remember this post.

That depends on a few things.

It is very possible to make small gains and keep them (to a point, of course). This is why I advocate short cycles. You must combine natural gains with slightly enhanced gains, all the while maintaining the HPTA. Gain 5 pounds -- solidify it, gain 5 more, etc, etc, until you reach your "enhanced limit."

But if you don't have a solid base, juice too soon, too much and too often, then yeah....you can't expect to maintain 40 pounds of sized obtained soley from steroids unless you continue using steroids.

 

[willyb021]

yeah but if you put on 30lbs during a cycle ur saying its not possible to keep 15 of it if u maintain your diet and training

 

[needtogetaas]

The only way to keep your gains is to keep juicing. After several months of laboring in futility, listening to the other advice you will get here, you will remember this post.

I feel like this time but its not all true.