I told her to leave

[Austin316]

my only real set off was the general white male comments, and the fact that personally I have seen more men get fucked over by mothers who have ruined their lives using their children, my god fathers ex cheated on him, divorced him, took him for alimony and child support, got him fired, all the while she gets married to a new guy who makes more money then my god father, yet still drains his account out of spite. Her daughters hate her guts, I ever read a letter from the oldest to her dad which was quite upsetting to say the least, this is just an example, and in this case he is a much better parent then that cheating WHORE BITCH CUNT what have you ever could be, the fact his daighters hate their mother and love their father speaks volumes. THis is just to point out that you need to look at each indiviual case, and person. I hate being grouped generally, its the same as me saying that all african americans are ghetto thug you know the rest when its simply not the case! or that all mexicans are kitchen working ese's..... I also resent the fact that just because Im a male I would of been a worse parent to my son then his mother had he been born instead of aborted.

I do agree that you ex pretty much deserves to be shot in the head for all the shit he did, and I don't deny that you have had it hard and bad, more so now that I know who you are and have never had anythign against you, in fact always had respecta for you, but I just can't stand being grouped or people when they use their personal lives to try and downgrade the views of others....... I don't use mine, and my gf who pretty much has had a worse lot in life then most people could dream of sure as hell doesn't, it doesn't make us smarter then the next person, everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs weather they are right or not. This thread just happened to hit me personally and shit just fell from there and Ill stand up for myself and otehrs who don't deserve a label

 

[Werd]

RIGHT !!!!!!...THATS WHY IF YOUR A FUCKTARD YOU SHOULDNT HAVE ANY FUCKING KIDS .....

Must be lonely up there in that white tower, eh?

Your username was chosen well.

 

[CFZB]

You didn't see the part where I said that SHE NEEDS TO GET A J-O-B and pay her fair share, did you? I clearly stated that several times.

He decided to leave the marital home. One of them would have to. Whether it was she get an apartment or him, whether she maintain primary custody with him having the kids whenever he wanted or they share physical custody is totally up to them.

Where did you ever see me print anywhere that she should have her cake and eat it too?

NEVER.

She doesn't want him, fine.

She needs to get a job, pay some bills, be a mother to her children and be free to choose whomever it is that she wants to have in her adult life SEPERATE from her "mommy life". He can say she is a whore that goes out to bars abandoning her kids all he wants. Truth is that most men who make these allegations make them because their "whore ex wives" are only whores who neglect their kids simply for the fact that SHE DONT WANT HIM NO MORE. <----- please note final comment with heavy sarcasm

She gets to go out just like he does as long as the children have suitable childcare, why can they not be allowed to "have a life"? If they FAIL their children by being more focused on their own needs as opposed to what is right for the children they will be SORELY JUDGED... not by anyone here or even by the court... but by the only people that matter in this:

THIER KIDS

Chesty has stated time and time again, that she is a good mother... Is she a bit fucked up in her personal choices for who she is surrounding herself with? I wont disagree... Perhaps she is. But look at fucking Chesty for Christ's sake. He is talking about ILLEGALLY AND FORCEFULLY EVICTING HER FROM THEIR HOME IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS.

Who is the one that is not wrapped too tight?

See anything wrong with anything I suggest?... Please show me where I am favoring her at all.

LIKE YOU SAID "SHE " *EHHEM* "AINT GOTTA DO SHIT"

MAYBE IF THE LAW WAS FAIR, WOMEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES...UNTIL THEN JUST KEEP BREEDING CHILDREN WHO WILL COMIT CRIMES AGAINST Society ..BTW I HATE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT WOMEN MUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LOVE AND CHILDREN..JUST BECAUSE THIER WOMEN ...CCCRRROOOCCCKKK OOOOFFFFF SSSSHHHIIIITTTTT....OBVIOUSLY JUST BY READING YOUR POSTS...OH AND YOU MUST BE RIGHT YOUR A WOMAN...IS THAT WHY YOUR LIFE IS SO GREAT NOT...YOUR A TRAINWRECK YOU SAID IT YOURSELF...THINKING THE WAY YOU DO GOT YOU WHERE YOUR AT!!! DUMBASS...." A GOOD MOTHER"????? "!!!!!!! A GGOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMOTHHHEERRRRRRR"!!!!!!! WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHILREN CRY FROM THAT SWIRLING EMPTY SPACE WITHIN THEM SELVES THAT THIER CREATORS(MOM AND DAD ARE GODF) DIDNT MAKE LOVE REAL FOR THEM ...YOU WILL KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE...FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU ARE GOD TO YOUR CHILDREN ...YOU SHAPE THIER LIFE AND REALITY AND FILL IT WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE TO BE FOR THEM... NO WONDER WHY SO MANY HATE GOD!!!! GOD GAVE THEM A REALY FUCKED UP REALITY..WITH NO LOVE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR FROM THE BEGINING ..YOUR KIDDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK YOUR CHILREN WILL EVER ADJUST TO THIS AND GROW UP TO BE HAPPY IN THE LEAST ....YOU WANT LASTING TRUE LOVE ????WELL YOU HAVE TO FUCKIN MAKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU MAKE YOUR LIFE WHAT IT IS NOW BECAUSE YOUR A (USING TERM LOOSLY ) G-R-O-W-N-U-P...AND YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF MOLDING LITTLE REALITYS ...THAT YOU SQWASHED AND SMEARD ON THE PAGES OF TIME....ONLY THANK YOURSELF

 

[Werd]

RIGHT !!!!!!...THATS WHY IF YOUR A FUCKTARD YOU SHOULDNT HAVE ANY FUCKING KIDS .....

Must be lonely up there in that white tower, eh?

Your username suits you perfectly.

 

[Werd]

LIKE YOU SAID "SHE " *EHHEM* "AINT GOTTA DO SHIT"

MAYBE IF THE LAW WAS FAIR, WOMEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES...UNTIL THEN JUST KEEP BREEDING CHILDREN WHO WILL COMITE CRIME AGAINST SocietyBTW I HATE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT WOMEN MUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LOVE AND CHILDREN..JUST BECAUSE THIER WOMEN ...CCCRRROOOCCCKKK OOOOFFFFF SSSSHHHIIIITTTTT....OBVIOUSLY JUST BY READING YOUR POSTS...OH AND YOU MUST BE RIGHT YOUR A WOMAN...IS THAT WHY YOUR LIFE IS SO GREAT NOT...YOUR A TRAINWRECK YOU SAIS IT YOURSELF...THINKING THE WAY YOU DO GOT YOU WHERE YOUR AT!!! DUMBASS...." A GOOD MOTHER"????? "!!!!!!! A GGOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMOTHHHEERRRRRRR"!!!!!!! WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHILREN CRY FROM THAT SWIRLING EMPTY SPACE WITHIN THEM SELVES THAT THIER CREATORS(MOM AND DAD ARE GODF) DIDNT MAKE LOVE REAL FOR THEM ...YOU WILL KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE...FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU ARE GOD TO YOUR CHILDREN ...YOU SHAPE THIER LIFE AND REALITY AND FILL IT WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE TO BE FOR THEM... NO WONDER WHY SO MANY HATE GOD!!!! GOD GAVE THEM A REALY FUCKED UP REALITY NO LOVE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR ....YOU WANT LASTING TRUE LOVE ????WELL YOU HAVE TO FUCKIN MAKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU MAKE YOUR LIFE WHAT IT IS...ONLY THANK YOURSELF

I don't know whether to laugh at you...

Or feel sorry for you.

 

[CFZB]

LIKE YOU SAID "SHE " *EHHEM* "AINT GOTTA DO SHIT"

MAYBE IF THE LAW WAS FAIR, WOMEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES...UNTIL THEN JUST KEEP BREEDING CHILDREN WHO WILL COMIT CRIMES AGAINST Society ..BTW I HATE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT WOMEN MUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LOVE AND CHILDREN..JUST BECAUSE THIER WOMEN ...CCCRRROOOCCCKKK OOOOFFFFF SSSSHHHIIIITTTTT....OBVIOUSLY JUST BY READING YOUR POSTS...OH AND YOU MUST BE RIGHT YOUR A WOMAN...IS THAT WHY YOUR LIFE IS SO GREAT NOT...YOUR A TRAINWRECK YOU SAID IT YOURSELF...THINKING THE WAY YOU DO GOT YOU WHERE YOUR AT!!! DUMBASS...." A GOOD MOTHER"????? "!!!!!!! A GGOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMOTHHHEERRRRRRR"!!!!!!! WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHILREN CRY FROM THAT SWIRLING EMPTY SPACE WITHIN THEM SELVES THAT THIER CREATORS(MOM AND DAD ARE GODF) DIDNT MAKE LOVE REAL FOR THEM ...YOU WILL KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE...FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU ARE GOD TO YOUR CHILDREN ...YOU SHAPE THIER LIFE AND REALITY AND FILL IT WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE TO BE FOR THEM... NO WONDER WHY SO MANY HATE GOD!!!! GOD GAVE THEM A REALY FUCKED UP REALITY..WITH NO LOVE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR FROM THE BEGINING ..YOUR KIDDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK YOUR CHILREN WILL EVER ADJUST TO THIS AND GROW UP TO BE HAPPY IN THE LEAST ....YOU WANT LASTING TRUE LOVE ????WELL YOU HAVE TO FUCKIN MAKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU MAKE YOUR LIFE WHAT IT IS NOW BECAUSE YOUR A (USING TERM LOOSLY ) G-R-O-W-N-U-P...AND YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF MOLDING LITTLE REALITYS ...THAT YOU SQWASHED AND SMEARD ON THE PAGES OF TIME....ONLY THANK YOURSELF

 

[Werd]

my only real set off was the general white male comments, and the fact that personally I have seen more men get fucked over by mothers who have ruined their lives using their children, my god fathers ex cheated on him, divorced him, took him for alimony and child support, got him fired, all the while she gets married to a new guy who makes more money then my god father, yet still drains his account out of spite. Her daughters hate her guts, I ever read a letter from the oldest to her dad which was quite upsetting to say the least, this is just an example, and in this case he is a much better parent then that cheating WHORE BITCH CUNT what have you ever could be, the fact his daighters hate their mother and love their father speaks volumes. THis is just to point out that you need to look at each indiviual case, and person. I hate being grouped generally, its the same as me saying that all african americans are ghetto thug you know the rest when its simply not the case! or that all mexicans are kitchen working ese's..... I also resent the fact that just because Im a male I would of been a worse parent to my son then his mother had he been born instead of aborted.

I do agree that you ex pretty much deserves to be shot in the head for all the shit he did, and I don't deny that you have had it hard and bad, more so now that I know who you are and have never had anythign against you, in fact always had respecta for you, but I just can't stand being grouped or people when they use their personal lives to try and downgrade the views of others....... I don't use mine, and my gf who pretty much has had a worse lot in life then most people could dream of sure as hell doesn't, it doesn't make us smarter then the next person, everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs weather they are right or not. This thread just happened to hit me personally and shit just fell from there and Ill stand up for myself and otehrs who don't deserve a label

You have totally misinterpreted every single one of my posts. Your anger is blinding you. (Not being beligerent at all.)

If you do NOT fit into the stated category then why are you so upset? I did not say that ALL white American men do this. I only stated that ONLY white American do this. There is a vast difference between the two statements.

I said that I personally know of two fathers that are the better parent... stated it a few times.

I have also stated a few times that I judge mothers more harshly than fathers

AS DOES EVERYONE ELSE...

Why is that?

Why are mothers always judged more harshly than fathers? You even did so in your very own post....

WHY DOES THE FACT THAT THE CHILDREN OF YOUR GOD-FATHER'S EX WIFE (THEIR VERY OWN MOTHER) HATE HER SPEAK VOLUMES TO YOU?

Pretell, what do those volumes say?

 

[Werd]

LIKE YOU SAID "SHE " *EHHEM* "AINT GOTTA DO SHIT"

MAYBE IF THE LAW WAS FAIR, WOMEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES...UNTIL THEN JUST KEEP BREEDING CHILDREN WHO WILL COMIT CRIMES AGAINST Society ..BTW I HATE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT WOMEN MUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT LOVE AND CHILDREN..JUST BECAUSE THIER WOMEN ...CCCRRROOOCCCKKK OOOOFFFFF SSSSHHHIIIITTTTT....OBVIOUSLY JUST BY READING YOUR POSTS...OH AND YOU MUST BE RIGHT YOUR A WOMAN...IS THAT WHY YOUR LIFE IS SO GREAT NOT...YOUR A TRAINWRECK YOU SAID IT YOURSELF...THINKING THE WAY YOU DO GOT YOU WHERE YOUR AT!!! DUMBASS...." A GOOD MOTHER"????? "!!!!!!! A GGOOOOODDDDDDDD MMMOTHHHEERRRRRRR"!!!!!!! WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHILREN CRY FROM THAT SWIRLING EMPTY SPACE WITHIN THEM SELVES THAT THIER CREATORS(MOM AND DAD ARE GODF) DIDNT MAKE LOVE REAL FOR THEM ...YOU WILL KNOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE...FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU ARE GOD TO YOUR CHILDREN ...YOU SHAPE THIER LIFE AND REALITY AND FILL IT WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE TO BE FOR THEM... NO WONDER WHY SO MANY HATE GOD!!!! GOD GAVE THEM A REALY FUCKED UP REALITY..WITH NO LOVE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR FROM THE BEGINING ..YOUR KIDDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK YOUR CHILREN WILL EVER ADJUST TO THIS AND GROW UP TO BE HAPPY IN THE LEAST ....YOU WANT LASTING TRUE LOVE ????WELL YOU HAVE TO FUCKIN MAKE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU MAKE YOUR LIFE WHAT IT IS NOW BECAUSE YOUR A (USING TERM LOOSLY ) G-R-O-W-N-U-P...AND YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF MOLDING LITTLE REALITYS ...THAT YOU SQWASHED AND SMEARD ON THE PAGES OF TIME....ONLY THANK YOURSELF

Since it hurt your feelings so badly when I obviously ignored your gibberish the first time you printed it....

I will acknowledge you with a smilie -------->

I guess you have now made it abundantly clear that your mother was "only a woman" too. *tsk* *tsk*

 

[unclebully]

.

 

[Austin316]

White american men? Bullshit, don't even begin to tell me that there are more african american men out there that raise or at least have a heavy hand in raising there OWN children? Just bc you dump something on a women you don't give two shits about does NOT put you above the WHITE MALE. I can fight any argument you have here with cold hard social facts. And you can bet your ass I judge dead beat dads just as harshly if not HARSHER! I belive all children, ESPECIALLY BOYS need their fathers. Anyone who brings a child into the world and does not accept the responsibilty of it is completle pond scum no matter the gender

 

[Werd]

White american men? Bullshit, don't even begin to tell me that there are more african american men out there that raise or at least have a heavy hand in raising there OWN children? Just bc you dump something on a women you don't give two shits about does NOT put you above the WHITE MALE. I can fight any argument you have here with cold hard social facts. And you can bet your ass I judge dead beat dads just as harshly if not HARSHER! I belive all children, ESPECIALLY BOYS need their fathers. Anyone who brings a child into the world and does not accept the responsibilty of it is completle pond scum no matter the gender

Abandoning a child is far less severe than using that child to try and hurt it's mother with a long and emotionally and financially devastating legal battle.

My ex has done BOTH. I am both mother AND father to my children. They do not have a father. He is an animal. I WISH he would up and leave, leave us all the fuck alone. Had he done that from the beginning, my children would be financially AHEAD of the game and somehow I don't think they could be more emotionally devastated by me having to tell them that daddy left as opposed to explaining to them why daddy doesn't live with us anymore and where all the bruises and scratches on mommy came from.

How do I know this? I had heard it from the lips of small children when their mothers had to apologize for having to work several jobs to make ends meet because their abusive fathers up and left to get out of paying childsupport. The child's answer? "That's ok mommy. At least he can't hurt us anymore."

And you never answered my question...

 

[Austin316]

I judge depending on the circumstance and the sex doesn't matter, there are terrible PEOPLE out there, your ex is one of them and like I said he should be shot IMO. Im well aware of this double standard society, the whole a man who sleeps with a bunch of women is a stud whereas a woman would be a whore is bullshit in my eyes, I don't think like that, people who do are ignorant. I have no sypathy for cheaters eitehr, that act is evil, and I don't respect them at all no matter if they are a man or woman

 

[Gymgurl]

I do have to agree in the sense that fathers get screwed by the legal system way more than mothers. How do I know this? I worked for the courts and did the evals on the parents. In the state that I live in, you have to be a serious piece of work to not get your kids if you are the mother.......Okay guys....can we get back to Chesty........

 

[Werd]

I do have to agree in the sense that fathers get screwed by the legal system way more than mothers. How do I know this? I worked for the courts and did the evals on the parents. In the state that I live in, you have to be a serious piece of work to not get your kids if you are the mother.......Okay guys....can we get back to Chesty........

I never said that this was not true. This is true in all 50 states, I believe, as it is ASSUMED that the mother is usually the better parent. Regardless of how amazing many fathers are, mothers are always judged more harshly. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE MOTHERS. Anyone one who disputes this is flat out lying. Even Austin judged his god-father's exwife more severely than his god-father without even realizing it. The way he worded... "She hated her own mother - this alone speaks volumes to me." spoke volumes to ME.

I never once said that there aren't fathers, grandparents, adoptive parents, etc that can not and DONT outshine a child's biological mother in every regard. I posed a simple basic question - NOT ONE PERSON COULD STEP UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

Since you have personal experience in custody battles from the evaluator's side you will be able to explain just how emotionally devastating and financially draining a relentless custody battle can be to those who have never personally gone through it. Regardless of whether or not there is any merit to the father's accusastions as long as he has money he can continue to file motion after motion after appeal after appeal after motion after appeal, etc, etc, etc using his children as pawns to fuck their mother. Until one of three things happens:

1. The "father" runs out of steam and/or money.

2. The child grows to a point where he/she stands up and tells dad to fuck off.

3. The mother yields in the hopes that it will spare her children further suffering.

There is a Number 4 but I don't want to visit it.

I never said that there aren't women who shoudn't have their children taken from them. I never said that there aren't men that are the better parent.

The only quarrel I EVER had was when a man advised another man to take his children from their mother with the expressed intent to FUCK ON HER. No man that had even a shred of love for his child would EVER entertain such an idea for a second, let alone take the steps and actually follow through regardless of how wrong the woman was as a wife. He would step back, put his pain as a husband aside and examine what was best for his child. Are there mothers that use their children and intentionally keep them from their father's just to fuck on them? OF COURSE! I have always come down harshly on these CUNTS. What the fuck is wrong with them? THOSE CHILDREN NEED A FATHER. Any woman that uses her child to either keep or fuck on a man is the lowest form of life... even lower than a man who uses his child as a pawn to fuck with their mother. Why do I say that? Because regardless of how polictically correct any one WANTS to be... the fact is this: WE ALL JUDGE MOTHERS MORE HARSHLY.

WHY IS THAT?

IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE MOTHERS. THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE HELD TO HIGHER ACCOUNTABILITY BASED ON THAT FACT ALONE!

These are the undisputable laws of nature. No amount of political correctness can wipe this away.... only science can.


As for Chesty... he cheated/she cheated. I am tired of hearing how his wife is a cheating whore when I distinctly remember several threads here about a year or so ago where he was all excited then pissed off about a woman from Texas that he met through online dating at elitefitness. Was he getting together with her to play tiddly-winks? Where was God and his undying love for his wife and family and unbreakable Marine determination to salvage his marriage at all costs then?

PUH-LEASE.

Grow the fuck up.

Get a divorce, move on and TRY to pull your heads out of your asses (both Chesty AND his wife.... yes, it takes TWO) and try to peacefully co-parent.

I have really grown weary of all this nonsense already.

If I see one more person suggest that a woman should lose custody of her children because she cheated on her husband (though I certainly do NOT condone such behavior) - GROW THE FUCK UP. Men have been cheating since the dawn of time. I have yet to see it remotely suggested anywhere that a man's paternal rights should be relinquished because he was a low-life cheating scumbag that violated his marriage by being incapable of keeping his dick in his pants.

 

[Austin316]

Weather it be the man or woman that cheats and ultimate fuins the marriage, the party AT FAULT should recieve the short end of the stick. If both parties are at fault, as is the case here, then yea, it shoulded be treated differantly and take a lot more into account. As in my god fathers case, of course her kids hated her, she cheated on their father and ruined his life when he never did anything wrong, I would hate my mom OR dad just the same if either did that to the other. That was just an examply of how good guys get fucked over

 

[chesty]

Wow, such discussion. I will say to you all that this is the way it is. She doesn't want my butt right now, she is pushing the other male onto the kids, leaving them at friends houses over night and not getting them till the next day, possibly lying to them about where she is going, is trying to introduce them to him and after only 3 months of knowing this guy she is trying to push it down the long term trail all the while telling me she doesn't know if he is the one, but wants to keep seeing him, etc. I can handle the wanting to see him part, I can handle her wanting to be on her own to learn to take care of herself. But if that is the case, she has to do it without any help from anyone. That includes from me or him. Which would not be the case.

My oldest has a test in science this week, his grades have been failing for the last 4 weeks. She knew the test was do or die this week in science. Pass or fail sixth grade. So he stays home Friday to study. Does she make him study? No, then as soon as she is done working, she packs 'em up and goes to her friends apt, leaves and doesn't come back till 2 am. Then they go back home the following day, get there around 10 am, and she does no work around the house, does not make him study or do his homework, then calls another friend she hasn't seen and since the kids want to spend the night there, she arranges it, runs them over, drops them off and disappears till noon the next day. Lies to the boy about where she is going and what she is doing, he knows better. He ends up staying up all night. She gets to the house, tosses him the cell phone and immediately disappears with her friend for a couple of hours more. Comes back, try's to drop them off at my sister's house and gets pissed when they won't let her cause she needs to be somewhere important, but won't say. So she runs home, kicks 'em into the house then disappears for two hours with out telling them where she will be. I call her to remind her about the pool maint. and the dvd's that we rented last week, she don't answer the phone, so I have the boy call she immediately picks it up and I have him ask her where she is at and when she will be home. (7 year old is at home as well alone) Her friend that she was supposed to spend the night with calls and I asked him to find out when they went to bed, of course her girlfriend can't answer cause she wasn't there.

So, while I am talking to my oldest, the wife walks in and immediately starts ripping him a new one for not taking a nap, telling him is not to be answering the phone, I am not supposed to be calling, etc. Then gets on the phone with me telling me I am having him call her friend to find out what she is doing, which is not the case. She called the house. She is bitching because I have asked my son to ask her where she is at when he is left alone for long periods of time with the 7 year old. And he is told that it is all his fault that his homework is not done and that she is not the reason.

She tells the boy that she loves this guy and wants to see him, introduce the kids to him, doesn't have the feelings for me, yet she is confused about what to do. What is the right thing to do. Stay with him, come back to me. She is also confused about whether to stay at the house or move out. She doesn't think it right to see him and live in our house (I agree) but I told her I know what you are doing, I can't make you stop, but I can ask you not to and would whereever you are living. She can't afford to make it on her own, even with some money from me. Therefore, she would be getting it from lover boy, although she says she wouldn't.

I would take the boys, but my oldest said he wouldn't be comfortable because then mom would be sleeping with him 24/7. I get a vastly different picture when I talk to him then when I talk to her.

I should just have the boys come live with me, make sure she is out and not send her dime since I will have the kids.

Like I said I still see hope and so far everything the counselor has said is coming true. It will get worse before better, she will keep seeing him etc until she hits the bottom. She may never either. She realizes that she will always not like me so long as she is dating him and that guilt is making her become quite angry at all of us. She wants his pee pee, but knows she will not achieve her goals as long as she does.

She couldn't even answer the question: Do you realize that so long as you continue to see him that any feelings you have buried for me will never surface and if they do you will not recognize them? Silence then, I don't know. She also finally admitted that he does have a lot to do with what is going on now. He gave me the courage to do this. I said what? Leave? You are still here and you banging us both till easter sunday. She is like I have been wanting to leave for years, I called bullshit, as her options were no different 2 years or 4 years ago than they are right now. She is using this guy for the exit affair.

Will she come back? Ony God knows. Will I take her back? Depends on what happens.

I know that for her she can ignore me quite easily which is why you get another man to get rid of one. I on the other hand have promised to the counselor, myself, her and God that I will remain free of another until we finish therapy. That is a hard pill to swallow as I have no one but myself and God to be with. So, I am learning things such as how to keep my mouth shut, I am trying to learn how to let her go (knowing that if she comes home it is her choice and not out of guilt) dealing with her being unfaithful, sleeping with another man, telling me she just doesn't see us in the future, but if it is there she will act on it. That she wants me to be happy for her and him cause she was cheating on me with him. That is bs.

Well, only God knows the ultimate plan. I even apologized to her parents and family yesterday for the years of my verbal abuse and asked them to pray for me. Her mom said they were and that is why I have come around. She also stated that she believes God hates divorce and that if it is possible that we should work things out. Unless there is cheating. Well, her daughter is and on more than one occasion. And I don't think they will take it too well if she try's to tell them that she met this guy while still intimate with me, getting it from both of us at the same time and that she wants to be with him and not me. Maybe they wont' care, it doesn't sound like it. I told the wife I apologized and she was silent. Any more to say, but this will keep the thread alive for a while.

 

[Werd]

Well, only God knows the ultimate plan. I even apologized to her parents and family yesterday for the years of my verbal abuse and asked them to pray for me.

Very admirable of you. (No sarcasm whatsoever)

Her mom said they were and that is why I have come around. She also stated that she believes God hates divorce and that if it is possible that we should work things out. Unless there is cheating. Well, her daughter is and on more than one occasion. And I don't think they will take it too well if she try's to tell them that she met this guy while still intimate with me, getting it from both of us at the same time and that she wants to be with him and not me. Maybe they wont' care, it doesn't sound like it. I told the wife I apologized and she was silent. Any more to say, but this will keep the thread alive for a while.

Did you tell her parents that she was skating around on you? I can't say that I would not have done the same. However, out of curiosity, did you tell them that you also mislead and pursued women other than your wife in the hopes of having a relationship with them as recently as like about a year ago? Where are you now? Texas? Where was that woman that you met online at elitefitness dating from? Wasn't it Texas as well? You said that at the last minute she stood you up. Pretty fucked up of her to do...

So tell us Chesty, when did you find God and decide to dedicate yourself to your family and your marriage? Was it after that woman changed her mind about pursuing a relationship with you? (And this is one we only know about because you posted on elite... How many other women did you pursue that was NOT posted up about?) .....or after another man found his way into your wife's affection?

(I AM NOT CONDONING WHAT THE WIFE IS DOING AT ALL.)

 

[chesty]

The woman you refer to was from New Mexico and it was at the time she shut off from me and started hanging with her friends more than me. And as I told you while I was there I realized that I was wrong. I had done nothing with her and thankfully she never came back. I realized then what was missing from my life which was God. I had declared him gone 14 years ago when I lost my 3 girls. so in no small way that is the reason for my current troubles.

No, I didn't tell her parents about her goings on nor mine from 8 years ago. I may had some indiscretions of the heart, but I never pursued them to a physical relationship. And once I realized that my problems were from lack of faith in God, I started to change last year. However, I was moving to slowly and not realizing that I was up against more than I thought I was.

The difference is I reallized i was wrong and I stopped my behavior. I have not had an affair in 8 years and only had one after she had one. 2 wrongs do not make right however.

If she tells her parents about her it will be told with her as the favorite. I of course will tell my side then, but I will not argue the point. Both of us were wrong, I grew up and she is still wrong.

I never denied to anyone that I was bad. Just that I have grown up more than her and she still has many issues to deal with. She also sounds like she may not tell her parents anything for now.

I am only concerned about the kids right now and her mental state and mine. If she was so sure it was done between us, she would be gone already regardless of what I have offered her in living arrangements, etc. So, I can only imagine what is going on. I pray for the best (her and me together) and acknowledge the worst (her and him or her alone)

 

[Werd]

No, I didn't tell her parents about her goings on nor mine from 8 years ago. I may had some indiscretions of the heart, but I never pursued them to a physical relationship.

One question... just want to be clear. You are saying that you never pursued another woman to a physical relationship. Was this by YOUR CHOICE or by the other woman's choice? Meaning, if the woman you were pursuing had wanted the physical relationship would you have said NO.

I don't doubt that you are concerned about your children. I also believe that you DO have concern for your wife. Just don't let your bruised male ego get in the way of what is best for your kids. If I was your wife's friend rest assured that I would ride her ass even harder than I have been riding yours. I feel her pain. However, she is those children's mother. She needs to pull her head out of her ass and pay attention to THEIR pain as well...

Just don't turn this into a legal 3 ring circus as the only people that will benefit then are the fucking scumbag attorneys.

 

[chesty]

I am weak, and when you haven't been getting any for a while it is easy to slip. So, yes, they cut it off before it got started. But since then I have realized what it means to be strong and that is much harder to do than it seems. But I am doing it.

Also, I am concerned for the kids. I do not want them exposed to her lifestyle right now as it shows in their grades, her yelling and screaming at them etc. Yes I am concerned for her as well. There is no circus to be had.

 

[jestros]

Chesty, have you talked to a lawyer yet? You need to, and it needs to be a good one. Talk to friends and family to get a reference. There are ALOT of slimeball lawyers out there.
Here's my opinion on who should get the kids.
Whoever puts the kids happiness, safety and general well being before thier own.
To me thats what it means to be a parent. It obviously aint your X. Go to a lawyer today.

 

[chesty]

I already have all of the legal stuff taken care of. thanks

 

[gotmilk]

I should just have the boys come live with me

Have you ever asked them if they wanted to come spend some time in Texas?

If they're into football, baseball, and good weather....a change of environment might actually be healthy for them...

Hell Chesty..this might be a chance to strengthen your relationship with your kids.

 

[chesty]

Yes, I did. They would want to except they told me they wouldn't be comfortable with the fact that it would let their mom sleep with the guy 24/7. So, I am in a dilema with them. But if her behavior gets much worse I will have no choice.

 

[Werd]

Yes, I did. They would want to except they told me they wouldn't be comfortable with the fact that it would let their mom sleep with the guy 24/7. So, I am in a dilema with them. But if her behavior gets much worse I will have no choice.

But if you are separated then that is exactly what she will do... If the boys truly want to live with you and she doesn't contest it, then there isn't anything to discuss.

 

[chesty]

Except for their feelings and desires. My oldest one told me not to give up just yet. I will honor that request and told him I did promise to give the therapy the 6 months. That is a long time, and anything can happen. will she come running back to me? Probably not, but stranger things have happened. Will she be marrying him or moving in with him sometime soon, no, but then again, when you feel backed into a corner you never know. I just hope she is smarter than this.

 

[jestros]

The only problem is if you dont go for custody, and after six moths of living with thier mom, you have a snowballs chance in hell. Unless she doesnt contest it, or she gets into drugs or something.
The courts dont like to change households after a certain period of time.
What your oldest son needs to realize is he cant MAKE his mom change. And it doesnt look like she wants to.

 

[Werd]

The only problem is if you dont go for custody, and after six moths of living with thier mom, you have a snowballs chance in hell. Unless she doesnt contest it, or she gets into drugs or something. .

And he should have custody if these conditions are not occuring because?

The courts dont like to change households after a certain period of time..

Why do you think that is?

 

[gotmilk]

Yes, I did. They would want to except they told me they wouldn't be comfortable with the fact that it would let their mom sleep with the guy 24/7

OUCH.

Unless she plans on becoming a Nun....the chances are...

hell...you know the answer.

They might actually like Texas.

 

[jestros]

Here's my opinion on who should get the kids.
Whoever puts the kids happiness, safety and general well being before thier own.
To me thats what it means to be a parent.

Thats why he should get them Word.

And I dont know why the courts work like they do, but it certainly helped me. My daughter lived with me for nearly a year before it ended up in court. My X didnt have a chance to get custody. The only way she would is if a freak like you ended up being the judge.

Let me ask you word, what do you think makes a good parent?

 

[Werd]

Thats why he should get them Word.

And I dont know why the courts work like they do, but it certainly helped me. My daughter lived with me for nearly a year before it ended up in court. My X didnt have a chance to get custody. The only way she would is if a freak like you ended up being the judge.

Let me ask you word, what do you think makes a good parent?

Hmmmmmm... lucky for me that I had a freak judge then. My ex had my kids for nearly a year and GUESS WHO IS GETTING THEM BACK?!?!

Went through HELL, my kids and me to be together. Perhaps you should ask the judge why I am the better parent. Whore like me who abandoned her kids to jetset around the world to drink, do drugs and fuck all kinds of men never giving a shit about her kids, then just up and decided to come back one day because she was bored. Evil cunt, imagine ripping innocent children away from their hardworking loving father.... JUST BECAUSE that is what SHE wanted - never giving a shit about what was best for her kids.

Can you not read?

I sacrificed EVERYTHING because it was what I truly thought would be best for my kids - to spare them further pain, to give THEM a life while I had none.

CAN YOU SAY THE SAME YOU POMPOUS ASS?

Mr Jetoroserser - buys daughter XBOX = "loving parent"

Werd - sacrificed EVERYTHING for her kids from the time before they were ever even conceived = "freak"


I'll take the title freak, then and where it with pride.

 

[jestros]

He probably had a bad lawyer, and is most likely a nutcase too, I mean who else would marry you?
You didnt sacrifice shit, you went off whorin to europe for a year for gods sake.
It's funny you took that big old post about the things me and my daughter do together and break it down to "buys daughter an X-box"

 

[Werd]

He probably had a bad lawyer, and is most likely a nutcase too, I mean who else would marry you?
You didnt sacrifice shit, you went off whorin to europe for a year for gods sake.
It's funny you took that big old post about the things me and my daughter do together and break it down to "buys daughter an X-box"

LOL I went off to "whore" in Europe. Is that what your exwife did too? Abandon YOUR little girl to whore in another state?

That big post? You mentioned Xbox and snowboarding and you would like to get her into training when she gets older. What big old post?

I don't need to prove jack to you - already proved myself in a court of law and yes, there is a board member who is privy to REAL documents so you can say whatever you like.

I left my 13 year marriage and this country with little more than my bare ass. I yielded everything entitled me under the law because it should have made things easier for my children, had their father not been the animal that he is, he would still have physical custody and I would have to be satisfied with the visitation THAT I CHOSE! I was awarded sole physical I shared custody anyway, because I truly thought it would benefit my children to be with their father. I never knew that he was putting his hands on them shortly after we separated or that mother fucker would have had SERIOUS limitations put on him from the word GO.

HOWEVER

EVERY SINGLE ALLEGATION MADE AGAINST ME WAS FOUND TO HAVE NO BASIS IN TRUTH AT ALL.

But thanks for asking.

As for what I have to say about him? I HAVE HARD PROOF.

But thanks for asking about that too!

My only crime was extreme naivite due to long standing abuse from my childhood. Been getting counseling on my own to fix that.

What do I do WITH my children? You imbecile. There is NOTHING THAT I DO NOT DO WITH THEM... They are involved in every aspect of my life that is appropriate. In the nearly four years that I have been separated from their dad they have met one man ONCE. We spent the afternoon together and my girls cried when he left. They STILL ask about the guy, hell they wanted me to marry him! (That was over 1 1/2 years ago!).

I TALK with them, SLEEP with them, LISTEN to them, BATHE them, FEED them. I have NEVER missed a parent/teacher meeting (with the exception of this past year for obvious reasons - first few months I was not present then I was barred by my ex's cunt attorney - SO I MADE IT MY BUSINESS TO SET UP SPECIAL MEETINGS - BOTH BEFORE I LEFT AND WHEN I RETURNED). My character references come from the school principals themselves. Do you realize how impossible that is to obtain? NO ONE in the schools want to get involved - NO ONE. I have the people that run the schools standing up for me. I guess they are freaks too, huh?

There is no aspect of their physical, emotional or psychological/spiritual well-being that I am NOT intune with.

NOT ONE.

I MAKE IT MY BUSINESS TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY...

I HAVE NEVER LIED TO MY CHILDREN... CAN YOU SAY THE SAME?!

Tell me, Mr jersotoors, What do tell your little girl when she asks you why her mommy left her?





But I am a whore... LOL

That is getting a little played out, don't you think?

Come up with some new material and people with 1/2 a brain *might* sit up and take notice.




You were soooooooo right. Arguing with you is really fun.

Please answer my questions Mr Jejtsrosros...

What did your whore ex wife do that was so terrible she lost custody?

And what do you tell your little girl when she asks why her mommy left her?

 

[Laughing]

and what nationality are you werd ?

 

[Werd]

Why do I get the funny feeling that you will be gone real soon?

Heheheheheheheheeeee

 

[jestros]

why should he be gone, you still got your alter L7 right?
Tell me word, what makes a good parent?
And I am not going to get into the details of my life story with you. Why would I tell personal things to someone who will just twist it up?
I will say this, it was my x's idea, that I take one kid and she take the other (the one who is not my blood daughter). A few months later when she found out she might have to pay child support, she went for custody.
So when my daughter asked my when she was 4 why we broke up, I said "because your mommy wanted too"
I couldnt give more explanation than that if I wanted to.
She goes to her moms for 6 weeks in the summer, before she went last year she said " I wish I could go to sleep, wake up and the summer would be over". It was really all I could do to not cry.
Have fun twisting all that up word.

 

[Werd]

why should he be gone, you still got your alter L7 right?
Tell me word, what makes a good parent?
And I am not going to get into the details of my life story with you. Why would I tell personal things to someone who will just twist it up?
I will say this, it was my x's idea, that I take one kid and she take the other (the one who is not my blood daughter). A few months later when she found out she might have to pay child support, she went for custody.
So when my daughter asked my when she was 4 why we broke up, I said "because your mommy wanted too"
I couldnt give more explanation than that if I wanted to.
She goes to her moms for 6 weeks in the summer, before she went last year she said " I wish I could go to sleep, wake up and the summer would be over". It was really all I could do to not cry.
Have fun twisting all that up word.

I don't need to back myself up with any alters. The site administration is well aware of who I am. But thanks for noticing.

And I get no pleasure in the misery of others... that seems to be YOUR gig, darlin'.

So it all came down to childsupport huh? That is why my ex fought me for custody so hard - FOR MONEY. With men, it is always about money. At least for the majority it is.

Your daughter didn't want to be with her mommy? Why would she when you flat out told her that her mommy left her because SHE WANTED TO... You are pathetic.

 

[jestros]

Ok, what should I have said? It was a mutual decision? Cause it wasnt.
I didnt say anything about cheating or anything like that.
BTW, when we finalized the parenting plan, I lied so she could pay below the minimum.
She paid for a year, and hasnt paid since, which is probably why we are getting along now.
You'd think if her mommy was so great she'd atleast buy her daughter a bunch of clothes when shes down there. But I'm sure thats my fault some how too.
I can tell you're going to raise your daughter to be a man hater just like you. Or only a white man hater?

 

[Werd]

Ok, what should I have said? It was a mutual decision? Cause it wasnt.
I didnt say anything about cheating or anything like that.
BTW, when we finalized the parenting plan, I lied so she could pay below the minimum.
She paid for a year, and hasnt paid since, which is probably why we are getting along now.
You'd think if her mommy was so great she'd atleast buy her daughter a bunch of clothes when shes down there. But I'm sure thats my fault some how too.
I can tell you're going to raise your daughter to be a man hater just like you. Or only a white man hater?

Funny you should mention that.

I paid childsupport up front to the tune of 20K.

I gave up all right to alimony (was a stayathome mom).

I gave up my claim to half our business that I helped to run from it's inception while taking care of our household and our children.

I walked away with A MINISCULE amount of money. Left EVERYTHING for him and the kids.

I find out that he hasn't bought my children A STITCH of new clothing. Didn't replace snowshoes, left them with just about anyone that he could get. He totally tried to cut me off from them. Told horrible baseless lies about me to the DAILY. Put his hands on them when they did get brave enough to stand up to them and demanded to see and/or speak with me. But he DID find money for cutthroat attorneys to find me FIT and bought all kinds of new and expensive toys FOR HIMSELF...

I will not raise my children to be manhaters, like you will raise your daughter to be self-loathing as you clearly hate women.

But I WILL make damned sure to raise my children to stand up for themselves and be ASSHOLE HATERS.

Don't hate men darlin'.... only ASSHOLES and those come in both genders.

And to answer your question -

YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER - "MOMMY AND DADDY COULDN'T GET ALONG, BUT THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE BEST THAT SHE NOT LEAVE ALL HER FRIENDS AND SCHOOL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH - MOMMY AND DADDY LOVE HER VERY MUCH. THEY JUST COULDN'T GET ALONG TOGETHER. MOMMY HAD THIS JOB HERE AND SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE YOU AWAY FROM DADDY."

But of course, being the selfless father who puts his owns hurt feelings of rejected spouse above those of his daughter's hurt for losing her mother, you couldn't find it in your heart to do that.

Yea... you are REAL GREAT.

 

[jestros]

YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER - "MOMMY AND DADDY COULDN'T GET ALONG, BUT THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE BEST THAT SHE NOT LEAVE ALL HER FRIENDS AND SCHOOL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH - MOMMY AND DADDY LOVE HER VERY MUCH. THEY JUST COULDN'T GET ALONG TOGETHER. MOMMY HAD THIS JOB HERE AND SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE YOU AWAY FROM DADDY."

I dont know who's situation you're talking about there. It wasnt mine, so you encourage lying to the children about the divorce? Or only lying to make mom look better.
I am not a woman hater, and there have been many intelligent women to post on this thread.
So apparently its just you.

 

[Werd]

I dont know who's situation you're talking about there. It wasnt mine, so you encourage lying to the children about the divorce? Or only lying to make mom look better.
I am not a woman hater, and there have been many intelligent women to post on this thread.
So apparently its just you.

I don't know 100% specifics obviously. I was giving an example of something that would be an acceptable explanation to a small child.

It isn't about making the mother 'look better". It is about not having the child feel rejected and feel self-loathing. Regardless of how much YOU HATE that child's mother... she is STILL her mother. And you can sing your politically correct GARBAGE all you want. It will not change the fact that that child is most certainly traumatized over the fact that her parents split (regardless of who was to blame - you have the luxury of being able to hide that child's mother's infidelity until she would be old enough to understand. I was NOT afforded that. My ex was with us one night - then gone THE NEXT DAY and I had bruises and scratches to "explain away."). But more than that, the trauma of having her mother leave her and seem to choose another child over her.

Can't you get this through your thick skull? None of this is about you and your ego - it is about how the thoughtless actions of that child's mother will FOREVER hurt that child.

THAT IS THAT CHILD'S MOTHER. SHE FUCKED UP. YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO PICK UP THE BALL and TRY TO MAKE UP FOR HER SHORTCOMINGS. YOU MESSED UP BUDDYBOY BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY BEING HURT BY THE FACT THAT YOUR WIFE CHEATED ON YOU.

My ex beat me up, then hired shark attorneys who advised him to stop paying bills. I had no formal education and only just started to earn money parttime at a job. Then he threatened to kill me viciously and violently in front of the kids. Why? Because he was convinced I was having an affair! Sorry, but it ain't an affair no more once you have kicked someone's sorry ass out and filed for a divorce LOL. And how did he know where I was going and what he was doing? Because he was stalking me, watching me through the windows, pumping the kids for information. When they were with him, I had the right to go where I wanted and do WHAT I wanted. I could care less where he went or what he did as long as it was not on my children's time.

THE COURT took custody from him and awarded me a final order of protection. I had him by the proverbial balls... AND I STILL SHARED AND STILL YIELDED.

WHY?

Because regardless of what an asshole he was to me, he was STILL those children's father.

See unlike you, I can separate my feelings of hurt for being treated poorly as a wife and my feelings of what is best for my kids.

That is what separates us, Mr Jerstsoerosr.

 

[jestros]

I believe it is better to tell children at least the partial truth that straight up lies. Didnt you say something earlier about you never lied to your childern? Guess that was a lie. Hmmm.
BTW, like I said we all get along pretty well right now. You on the other hand seem to still be having some trouble. Maybe you should work on your own problems rather than trying to worry about everyone elses.
This is chestys thread, and I'm not going to talk about myself anymore, so quit asking me questions.

 

[Werd]

What straight up lies did I tell my children? There is a way to tell the straight up truth without damaging a child further by the actions of adults. Am I still having trouble with my ex? YA THINK? Gee, I wonder why I would be having trouble? But you are getting along hunky dory with your ex because she abandoned your little girl, wont give a dime in support and you told her that her mother left her but chose her 1/2 sister instead "because her mother wanted to." GOTCHA!

YUP... YOU ARE AN AMAZING FATHER!

NOW you will bow out "gracefully"?.... because this is Chesty's thread?

How bout you bowin out 'cause you just got owned by a "straight up abandoning manhating psycho whore." Sheesh... how you ever gonna live that one down?

I will say this once more Mr Jersorpsr - I KNOW CHESTY - YOU DO NOT. DOH!

You are the one that has been putting your child-using, woman hating bullshit into this and others of Chesty's threads. I have done NONE of what you accused me of...

Now *poof* BE GONE.

 

[jestros]

you wish. go crying to the Mods maybe you can get me banned. You obviously dont know chesty to well, cause you were screamin he cheated, and it turns out, he didnt. Hmmm. And I thought you'd said you've never actually me him. If talking to someone on the internet counts as knowing someone, I know him too!
So you didnt lie to your children, but because I didnt Im some kinda bad guy? Are we back to all white american males are evil again?
You are defianetly obsessed with the word "abandoned". So every kid who's parents get a divorce is "abandoned"? Or only the ones that live with thier father?
I think you've got some guilt going back to your leaving the country.
The funny thing is you've been schooled in this thread over 20 times, but lots of people. Only one person (your alter L7) has agreed with you, and you still think you're right!

 

[chesty]

Why is it so hard for so many to find it capable that someone would not give up on their spouse even though they blatantly are cheating and throwing it in their face. She wants me to be happy that she is cheating and found this guy? Not! She wants to get on with her life, but she keeps asking for time to move out?, she can't understand that she will not get what she wants unless she dumps him? (to better herself to learn to become independant) that includes being away from me. She knows that as long as she sees this guy any feelings for me will not come out. she has told the kids she is confused about what to do, both with living arrangements and not wanting to hurt either of us.

If she really really wanted to be with him and away from me, there is nothing that could keep her one red second. She uses the kids for more time, telling me it is my fault they won't be able to finish school, they have to sell there dog, etc. How in the hell is it my fault?

 

[Periwinkle]

you wish. go crying to the Mods maybe you can get me banned. You obviously dont know chesty to well, cause you were screamin he cheated, and it turns out, he didnt. Hmmm. And I thought you'd said you've never actually me him. If talking to someone on the internet counts as knowing someone, I know him too!
So you didnt lie to your children, but because I didnt Im some kinda bad guy? Are we back to all white american males are evil again?
You are defianetly obsessed with the word "abandoned". So every kid who's parents get a divorce is "abandoned"? Or only the ones that live with thier father?
I think you've got some guilt going back to your leaving the country.
The funny thing is you've been schooled in this thread over 20 times, but lots of people. Only one person (your alter L7) has agreed with you, and you still think you're right!

Some green coming your way!

 

[Razorguns]

>How in the hell is it my fault?

Cuz you're stuck in DenialLand.

You don't make people love you by pestering them, harassing them, begging them, pleading with them, fighting with others, etc. etc.

If someone loves you. They'll be right next to you. If not -- they don't. And if you don't want to believe it -- you're stuck in DenialLand. Brought on by not having a backbone, being a wimp and being arrogant.

 

[chesty]

How is it my fault that the kids will suffer as a result of her actions you freaking moron

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Jesus, people are complicated......

 

[Werd]

you wish. go crying to the Mods maybe you can get me banned. You obviously dont know chesty to well, cause you were screamin he cheated, and it turns out, he didnt.

If anyone has ever gotten banned on elite it is because they did it to themselves. A little concept called "personal responsibility"; something you obviously didn't get. I should wonder how you will teach this to your daughter then? By your own posts, her mother certainly won't.

You have a learning disability? How do I know Chesty cheated?

BECAUSE HE ADMITTED TO IT…. SEVERAL TIMES.

Hmmm. And I thought you'd said you've never actually me him. If talking to someone on the internet counts as knowing someone, I know him too! !

Again, you must be slow or something… I said I never FUCKED him. I have known Chesty for over 3 years. Just because I never saw his neked dick, does not mean that I don’t know him.

So you didnt lie to your children, but because I didnt Im some kinda bad guy? Are we back to all white american males are evil again? !

No, only the ASSHOLES are. And again, I will type it real slowlike so it doesn’t blow by too quickly.

Are you ready?

A-S-S-H-O-L-E-S C-O-M-E I-N B-O-T-H G-E-N-D-E-R-S.

You are defianetly obsessed with the word "abandoned". So every kid who's parents get a divorce is "abandoned"? Or only the ones that live with thier father? !

No. By your own admission, clearly it was only YOUR DAUGHTER that got abandoned. I truly feel sorry for her. A mother who abandoned her but not her sister and a heman-woman hate-filled imbecile for a father. But hey, she’s got XBOX so she will be just fine in life.

I think you've got some guilt going back to your leaving the country. !

What half a parent wouldn’t? Oh wait. I forgot about your ex. She and you are great friends now that she no longer pays you the child support that you felt strongly about you needing bout 2 years ago to drag her ass into court over. You hit the lottery since then? And she was only pissed about the fact that she had to pay childsupport? You mean to tell me that she didn’t know she had to pay it up front? Why the delay? There is not a court in the land that will let a parent get out of paying childsupport. I paid mine upfront and now that I am back STILL have to pay as the law demands it for the child – regardless of how financially able the custodial parent can care for the child. What state you in? Mars?

I paid mine before I ever got the divorce and I STILL have to pay NOW.

Yes, I am quite sure that your ex was only upset because she had to send a monthly check (that you apparently never needed to begin with) and not because you legally stole her daughter from her. Something about your story just doesn’t add up.

The funny thing is you've been schooled in this thread over 20 times, but lots of people. Only one person (your alter L7) has agreed with you, and you still think you're right!

I’ve been schooled? By some imbeciles that use the word whore when they can not come up with an intelligent argument? Scroll back and see just how many have directly quoted me. There were many others on other threads of Chesty’s and just yesterday I got lovely karma calling me the voice of reason, not from silly little internet boys… but from peeps who have a brain. I’ll say it again because missed it the first time. Just because someone agrees does not make me anymore right. The world was once thought to be flat… Just helping YOU to keep your facts straight. Your welcome.

I am still waiting for one person to reasonably argue that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL a child’s mother is not assumed to be the better parent. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I recant. What I should have said is this:

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL A CHILD’S MOTHER IS ALWAYS EXPECTED TO BE THE BETTER PARENT.

You can hurl all the politically correct nonsense you want. Sorry, ain’t gonna change facts.

A man changes a diaper and he is praised for being superdad.

A woman freely yields EVERYTHING and entrusts the care of her children to their father while attempting to build a life for her children and her and she is harshly and relentlessly judged by most to be neglectful, selfish and let’s not forget the best part: A WHORE.

Men do this all the time. So what is the dealio?

*wink*

GOTCHA.

...but thanks for owning me.

 

[Gambino]

^^Love or hate this lady, you have to admit she is smoking, at least in her avanaughty...

 

[out_at_sea]

If anyone has ever gotten banned on elite it is because they did it to themselves. A little concept called "personal responsibility"; something you obviously didn't get. I should wonder how you will teach this to your daughter then? By your own posts, her mother certainly won't.

You have a learning disability? How do I know Chesty cheated?

BECAUSE HE ADMITTED TO IT…. SEVERAL TIMES.



Again, you must be slow or something… I said I never FUCKED him. I have known Chesty for over 3 years. Just because I never saw his neked dick, does not mean that I don’t know him.



No, only the ASSHOLES are. And again, I will type it real slowlike so it doesn’t blow by too quickly.

Are you ready?

A-S-S-H-O-L-E-S C-O-M-E I-N B-O-T-H G-E-N-D-E-R-S.



No. By your own admission, clearly it was only YOUR DAUGHTER that got abandoned. I truly feel sorry for her. A mother who abandoned her but not her sister and a heman-woman hate-filled imbecile for a father. But hey, she’s got XBOX so she will be just fine in life.



What half a parent wouldn’t? Oh wait. I forgot about your ex. She and you are great friends now that she no longer pays you the child support that you felt strongly about you needing bout 2 years ago to drag her ass into court over. You hit the lottery since then? And she was only pissed about the fact that she had to pay childsupport? You mean to tell me that she didn’t know she had to pay it up front? Why the delay? There is not a court in the land that will let a parent get out of paying childsupport. I paid mine upfront and now that I am back STILL have to pay as the law demands it for the child – regardless of how financially able the custodial parent can care for the child. What state you in? Mars?

I paid mine before I ever got the divorce and I STILL have to pay NOW.

Yes, I am quite sure that your ex was only upset because she had to send a monthly check (that you apparently never needed to begin with) and not because you legally stole her daughter from her. Something about your story just doesn’t add up.



I’ve been schooled? By some imbeciles that use the word whore when they can not come up with an intelligent argument? Scroll back and see just how many have directly quoted me. There were many others on other threads of Chesty’s and just yesterday I got lovely karma calling me the voice of reason, not from silly little internet boys… but from peeps who have a brain. I’ll say it again because missed it the first time. Just because someone agrees does not make me anymore right. The world was once thought to be flat… Just helping YOU to keep your facts straight. Your welcome.

I am still waiting for one person to reasonably argue that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL a child’s mother is not assumed to be the better parent. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I recant. What I should have said is this:

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL A CHILD’S MOTHER IS ALWAYS EXPECTED TO BE THE BETTER PARENT.

You can hurl all the politically correct nonsense you want. Sorry, ain’t gonna change facts.

A man changes a diaper and he is praised for being superdad.

A woman freely yields EVERYTHING and entrusts the care of her children to their father while attempting to build a life for her children and her and she is harshly and relentlessly judged by most to be neglectful, selfish and let’s not forget the best part: A WHORE.

Men do this all the time. So what is the dealio?

*wink*

GOTCHA.

...but thanks for owning me.

I love when you get riled up.....you must be tomcat in bed.....and I wont push you away...

 

[velvett]

you wish. go crying to the Mods maybe you can get me banned. You obviously dont know chesty to well, cause you were screamin he cheated, and it turns out, he didnt.

Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. Chesty admitted on his own several times that he cheated on his wife.

HERE'S A REFRESHER



http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3667569&postcount=4

Because I did the same thing to her and she did not give up on me and I have not cheated since.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3637240&postcount=9

I had already said that I had cheated in my heart a long while ago.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3691878&postcount=176

Yes, I cheated on her years ago. Difference is she didn't find out till I told her, I realilzed the mistake I was making and when I did, my feelings for her returned. So, until she is dumped or dumps she will never feel anything for me and I am fine with that.

 

[Werd]

Does anyone else hear those crickets chirping?


Mr jesrst[orss

=


owned by a crazy old stoopid abandoning psycho HO :









Yes, yes... very immature of me. I know. But damn, does it feel good.



At least I'm honest.




I'll play nice now... I promise.

 

[Austin316]

Your kids mom should be hit upside the head for making them get rid of the dog, that is just wrong....Poor puppy Honestly if I was a kid and that shit happened Id need something like a dog for me to depend on or Id of gone apeshit postal.

Honestly, the truth is better, it alwasy is! If its there moms fault, or dads fault, or whatever the case I myself would always speak the truth, it may hurt them, it may do this and that, but ultimately they are GOING to find out at SOME POINT, and at that time, they may turn on the parent that LIED to them...I've seen it happen and have been aware of it happenign a few times, give kids more credit also, they aren't that stupid to have NO IDEA of whats going on around them. The truth always gets out, so just speak it from the beggining, Life is NOT sugarcoated and its a lesson that will need to be learned pretty much every day

 

[Werd]

With all due respect Austin, I hear what you are saying but I must humbly disagree. There is a fine line between brutal honesty and knowing when to say, "When you get older sweetheart, I will tell you everything you want to know. But for now, just enjoy your childhood." It is called the art of parenting.

A seven year old child does not NEED to know that there father or mother was a selfish debaucherous asshole. Especially not from their other parent. This will only cause more hurt and suffering. Regardless of what you think, a parent's hurt is NEVER more important than giving the child a feeling of security and love. Unfortunately, this is a luxury that people like me do not have. Not even God will wash that morning away when I had to explain to my children why daddy doesn't live here anymore and where the bruises and scratches on mommy came from. People like Mr jereonosts could have easily said that mommy and daddy love YOU very much, but they just can not get along anymore and we decided that this situation would be best for you. Where is the lie in that?

A child does not NEED to be told that their other parent is an asshole, especially not by their only other parent. They will most certainly come to realize this with the passage of time when life experience will give them the maturity to handle the naked ugly ADULT truth.

It is a tragedy when a parent is so consumed with hate for that child's other parent (regardless of what that spouse did to THEM) that they forget this.

 

[Periwinkle]

"crazy old stoopid abandoning psycho HO :"

For the first time you speak the truth...

 

[Werd]

It wasn't enough that you got your silly ass banned three times already?

 

[Nubly]

as my cousin said about his ex-wife "once a cheating whore, always a cheating whore"

aptly put

 

[Periwinkle]

It wasn't enough that you got your silly ass banned three times already?

Hay you said it not me I was just agreeing with you.

 

[Periwinkle]

Werd,

You said you Father was an abusive drunk, did he ever hurt you ?

 

[chesty]

Again, why is it my fault that she is cheating, chooses to throw it in my face and the kids face? Why is she forcing them on him? Why is she becoming violently angry with each passing day that I am gone? Why is it she runs to find comfort in the arms of a passive male who can only care for her? Maybe he loves her? Why is it he thinks it is great that I have removed my self from the picture so she can make her own choices without influence and when I ask him to do the same his response is "I have to do what is right for me" I guess he really has her best interests at heart.

Why does she put him before the kids? Take her anger and inability to run the house out on the kids? Again, since I have been gone she has steadily gotten angrier, meaner towards me and the kids?

She told me last night how easy I got it and how I cannot be suffering? I was like what? I have only God and myself for comfort, I don't have my kids and when I call to talk to them you berate me and take out your frustrations on me for doing so. Then you threaten to disconnect the phones.

She was like, I have the house, kids, yard, etc to take care of and that isn't fair. I had to explain to her that wait a minute "You have some dude to run to for comfort, to sleep with, to take your mind off of reality every time it starts to show its ugly head. Do I have a woman to run to? I left to come here by choice to attempt to save what is left. I didn't want to, but I also knew I had to. What have you done?"

She was pretty much silent at that point. I am going to take the kids back with me shortly because I will not have them introduced to this person, period. It is wrong and she is forcing herself on this guy to get his feelings in line with hers and forcing our kids upon him as well. Her only fear as my oldest puts it is that the boys will not like him. Boo hoo! I am not going to tolerate her bs. I will support her etc, even while pumping this guy, but I will not have it thrown in my face nor will I allow my kids to ever meet him that is wrong.

I have told my oldest which is all I have told (he is 13) that his mom may have to leave the house because she has been cheating on dad and continues it. I also told him that I am not giving up on her and I working things out. He even told me to not give up yet.

Now my younger one though I had said nothing to. She however, sugar coated the whole story to both of them about how wonderful this guy is, what a gentleman, how she has big feelings for him, has none of those feelings for me. Yet she is confused about who to be with, what to do, what is the right thing to do.

She told them she is confused about living at home while I take care of the bills and she continues to see him. She knows she cannot make it on her own right now, so the guy would have to help with giving her money. She denies he will help her, but she knows I know better. She wants to learn to be independent, stronger. Guess what honey? That won't happen till you are truly on your own and face all of your fears/problems on your own with no one else in your life, me, him, etc. Just you and God baby as I am doing. She knows that deep inside, but won't admit it to herself or anyone else.

 

[velvett]

Again, why is it my fault that she is cheating, chooses to throw it in my face and the kids face? Why is she forcing them on him? Why is she becoming violently angry with each passing day that I am gone? Why is it she runs to find comfort in the arms of a passive male who can only care for her? Maybe he loves her? Why is it he thinks it is great that I have removed my self from the picture so she can make her own choices without influence and when I ask him to do the same his response is "I have to do what is right for me" I guess he really has her best interests at heart.

Why does she put him before the kids? Take her anger and inability to run the house out on the kids? Again, since I have been gone she has steadily gotten angrier, meaner towards me and the kids?

She told me last night how easy I got it and how I cannot be suffering? I was like what? I have only God and myself for comfort, I don't have my kids and when I call to talk to them you berate me and take out your frustrations on me for doing so. Then you threaten to disconnect the phones.

She was like, I have the house, kids, yard, etc to take care of and that isn't fair. I had to explain to her that wait a minute "You have some dude to run to for comfort, to sleep with, to take your mind off of reality every time it starts to show its ugly head. Do I have a woman to run to? I left to come here by choice to attempt to save what is left. I didn't want to, but I also knew I had to. What have you done?"

She was pretty much silent at that point. I am going to take the kids back with me shortly because I will not have them introduced to this person, period. It is wrong and she is forcing herself on this guy to get his feelings in line with hers and forcing our kids upon him as well. Her only fear as my oldest puts it is that the boys will not like him. Boo hoo! I am not going to tolerate her bs. I will support her etc, even while pumping this guy, but I will not have it thrown in my face nor will I allow my kids to ever meet him that is wrong.

I have told my oldest which is all I have told (he is 13) that his mom may have to leave the house because she has been cheating on dad and continues it. I also told him that I am not giving up on her and I working things out. He even told me to not give up yet.

Now my younger one though I had said nothing to. She however, sugar coated the whole story to both of them about how wonderful this guy is, what a gentleman, how she has big feelings for him, has none of those feelings for me. Yet she is confused about who to be with, what to do, what is the right thing to do.

She told them she is confused about living at home while I take care of the bills and she continues to see him. She knows she cannot make it on her own right now, so the guy would have to help with giving her money. She denies he will help her, but she knows I know better. She wants to learn to be independent, stronger. Guess what honey? That won't happen till you are truly on your own and face all of your fears/problems on your own with no one else in your life, me, him, etc. Just you and God baby as I am doing. She knows that deep inside, but won't admit it to herself or anyone else.

It's not your fault she's cheating - that said none of her behavior is your fault. No one can make someone behave in a certain unless they let them.

What none of us understand is why you're still fight to be with this woman.

 

[chesty]

Because I love her, not out of selfish pride or arrogance, but because I know her real inner beauty and this is not how she is. She has succombed to the world that tells her having a family and kids is prison sentence and that she needs to win her freedom.

I will not give up on her or the family, but there will come a time when I will have to move on.

In short, she is worth fighting for and I will do so. It doesn't matter what others think or feel about me. I will continue the fight. I will learn to trust again, to treat her the right way, treat the family the right way and be the man I should have been a long time ago.

Remember, anything gained without fighting for it (struggle to achieve the goal) is not worth having.

I may lose my fight, but I can look my kids in the eyes 1000 years from now and tell them I never gave up on my wife who is your mother and they will know that I speak the truth.

 

[velvett]

Because I love her, not out of selfish pride or arrogance, but because I know her real inner beauty and this is not how she is. She has succombed to the world that tells her having a family and kids is prison sentence and that she needs to win her freedom.

I will not give up on her or the family, but there will come a time when I will have to move on.

In short, she is worth fighting for and I will do so. It doesn't matter what others think or feel about me. I will continue the fight. I will learn to trust again, to treat her the right way, treat the family the right way and be the man I should have been a long time ago.

Remember, anything gained without fighting for it (struggle to achieve the goal) is not worth having.

I may lose my fight, but I can look my kids in the eyes 1000 years from now and tell them I never gave up on my wife who is your mother and they will know that I speak the truth.

Well, that's noble answer.
Can't agrue with that.

 

[chesty]

Thanks.

 

[Forge]

This thread is all manners of pure entertainment!

I would offer advice, but honestly I have none. I'll also not state any opinions of my own as this fire has enough fuel without my input. My life is awesome and well, and reading this thread makes me feel all that much better about myself. I've always held the belief that if you work to improve yourself instead of work to belittle others then happiness will ensue. It's a simple mantra that I never deviate from.

Good luck to everyone in this thread who needs it.

 

[velvett]

This thread is all manners of pure entertainment!

I would offer advice, but honestly I have none. I'll also not state any opinions of my own as this fire has enough fuel without my input. My life is awesome and well, and reading this thread makes me feel all that much better about myself. I've always held the belief that if you work to improve yourself instead of work to belittle others then happiness will ensue. It's a simple mantra that I never deviate from.

Good luck to everyone in this thread who needs it.

Hmmm .

GREAT POST.

 

[Werd]

This thread is all manners of pure entertainment!

I would offer advice, but honestly I have none. I'll also not state any opinions of my own as this fire has enough fuel without my input. My life is awesome and well, and reading this thread makes me feel all that much better about myself. I've always held the belief that if you work to improve yourself instead of work to belittle others then happiness will ensue. It's a simple mantra that I never deviate from.

Good luck to everyone in this thread who needs it.

WERD

And I also echo Velvett's sentiments about Chesty's last post....

 

[chesty]

thanks werd.

 

[Werd]

thanks werd.

Get your head fixed.... really. You will look at things so much differently. I would never be able to see my life and the situations that are arising with such clarity had I not started to work on ME.

One day at a time, Chesty..... one day at a time.

 

[chesty]

Yep, I have my counselors and we are working on me. Putting God at center stage has made a big difference. I am doing now what he wants me to do and I have turned over her and our relationship for him to handle.

 

[Fajitas]

bump for updates from Chesty

 

[RADAR]

What straight up lies did I tell my children? There is a way to tell the straight up truth without damaging a child further by the actions of adults. Am I still having trouble with my ex? YA THINK? Gee, I wonder why I would be having trouble? But you are getting along hunky dory with your ex because she abandoned your little girl, wont give a dime in support and you told her that her mother left her but chose her 1/2 sister instead "because her mother wanted to." GOTCHA!

YUP... YOU ARE AN AMAZING FATHER!

NOW you will bow out "gracefully"?.... because this is Chesty's thread?

How bout you bowin out 'cause you just got owned by a "straight up abandoning manhating psycho whore." Sheesh... how you ever gonna live that one down?

I will say this once more Mr Jersorpsr - I KNOW CHESTY - YOU DO NOT. DOH!

You are the one that has been putting your child-using, woman hating bullshit into this and others of Chesty's threads. I have done NONE of what you accused me of...

Now *poof* BE GONE.

I get soo excited when you get so riled and festy like that!


RADAR