I told her to leave

jestros · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
HEhehehehehehehheheheheee

You make me smile....

Now here is a more realistic scenario....

Man's wife gets tired of his abusive controlling ass - kicks him to the curb but he drags her and their ONE LITTLE GIRL through and endless barage of court drama costing irrepairable emotional harm to that one little girl, not to mention unbelievable financial cost. The mother lays down to spare her child more hell. Leaves to build a new life trusting that the father won't her her child anymore. The man now kicks his heels with glee as he explains to his little girl, "Mommy abandoned you because.....?"

What do YOU tell your daughter darlin?... when she asks you why her mommy abandoned her?

Or do you tell her the truth?!

......Oh yes, I forgot. You are the better parent because you can beat down a 16 year old boy. *wink*

GOTCHA

werd said:
However, MY description of YOUR situation is DEAD ON.

Ok where in the first post did you describe my situation? You asked a question, which is

werd said:
What do YOU tell your daughter darlin?... when she asks you why her mommy abandoned her?

I never told my daughter her mom abandoned her.

Now, you still havent said why women are better single parents than women, so the score remains...

jestros 1
werd 0

Werd · May 21, 2004

Dougly said:
In conclusion, white American men are evil

Closed

LOL not ALL of yaz..... But I confess, I do have a warm spot for men of other nationalities... If the American man has traveled outside of the US and realized that it is NOT the center of the universe, then I have no qualms. Unless of course, he is an asshole...

Delinquent · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
LOL not ALL of yaz..... But I confess, I do have a warm spot for men of other nationalities... If the American man has traveled outside of the US and realized that it is NOT the center of the universe, then I have no qualms. Unless of course, he is an asshole...

No it's just that White American Men have learned to not take womens shit like men in other countries and the American men of the past have never figured out.

Give em an inch and they take a mile

velvett · May 21, 2004

chesty said:
Guess what, I don't care what the judge says. I will be there this thursday she can either vacate or decide to work it out between us. Either way after the 31 she is gone. I am through playing with her and her games.

It's mind boggling to see how ingnorant you are being.

Do you plan to kick the wife out and keep the kids? Care for them as they should be? You better be getting ready for that because when children/minors are involved it changes everything. The issues that you and the wife have are nothing just wait and see what happens when you try to get a divorce, wait until terms like custody, child support and alimony enter your life.

Jesus - I feel sorry for your children.

You and your wife should have never been allowed to breed.

It's truly sickening.

Werd · May 21, 2004

jestros said:
Ok where in the first post did you describe my situation? You asked a question, which is

I never told my daughter her mom abandoned her.

Now, you still havent said why women are better single parents than women, so the score remains...

jestros 1
werd 0

You have quite unsuccessfully avoided every single one of my questions.

Your pathetic little jab was blown waaaaay out of the water.

If you can not understand why all things being equal a MOTHER is ALWAYS by NATURAL DEFAULT THE BETTER PARENT then I feel sorry for you. You can give me all the "sexes were created equal" rhetoric garbage you want, that doesn't make it true.

I am not a man, nor do I want to be. Yanking on your dick to shoot some cum in a petri dish is not the same as carrying a child and bringing it into the world ALONE. Do you get that fool? ALONE... you can hold my hand all you fucking want - THAT CHILD WAS IN ME FOR NINE MONTHS AND IT CAME OUT OF ME. I FELT THAT PAIN. I FELT THAT FEAR. I WORRIED, OBSESSED, DREAMED, HOPED, PUT ASIDE WHAT I WANTED FOR WHAT WAS BEST FOR THAT CHILD BEFORE IT WAS EVER CONCEIVED - THAT IS WHY I AM THE BETTER PARENT.

Get that?

Good.

I am so terribly sorry that you don't have a clue....

I feel sorriest for your little girl. You are one sick motherfucker that you actually REVEL in what you did to her and her mother.

Yea you are A GREAT DADDY.

Game, Set, Match.... WERD

L_Seven · May 21, 2004

Game, Set, Match.... WERD

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

wow, just wow.

Not only wasn't it a game, or set, let alone a match, nothing was addressed nor settled.

Giving birth to a child as a mother doesn't make one a "better" parent. Unless you want to start conversing about the "better" mothers who carried their children around for so much time and then just slaughtered them... Get real.

This is just staggeringly mind blowing.

jestros · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
THAT CHILD WAS IN ME FOR NINE MONTHS AND IT CAME OUT OF ME. I FELT THAT PAIN. I FELT THAT FEAR. I WORRIED, OBSESSED, DREAMED, HOPED, PUT ASIDE WHAT I WANTED FOR WHAT WAS BEST FOR THAT CHILD BEFORE IT WAS EVER CONCEIVED - THAT IS WHY I AM THE BETTER PARENT.

Speaking of not answering questions, it took you about 20 posts to finally answer the question of why a woman is a better parent.
So a baby coming out of you makes you a better parent?
No, it's a biological function that has no bearing on parenting ability. I think its a tough thing, and a wonderfull thing, I take my hat off to all mothers.
That crazy bitch in texas went through child birth 6 times, and she drowned her kids in the bathtub.

I feel sorriest for your little girl. You are one sick motherfucker that you actually REVEL in what you did to her and her mother.

Yea you are A GREAT DADDY.

You seem to keep thinking that everyone has to try to get custody out of revenge, not everyones situation is like yours. As I said before, I take care of my kid, and she is very heathty and well adjusted. One of the smartest kids in her class and very athletic. She doesnt lift weights yet, but hopefully she does when she's older. She loves to play x-box, and she's almost as good as me at amped. I started her on snowboarding when she was 6.
I have vollunteered at her school, and I coach her soccer team.

How many activities do you do with your child? I can just imagine. You probably spent 30 min. a day spending time with her MAX. Im sure your social live and happiness are much more important than hers.

Oh, but wait you gave birth, so that makes you a better parent right?

jestros · May 21, 2004

L_Seven said:
Game, Set, Match.... WERD

God, what are you, her lap dog? Or maybe just a sock puppet, someone do an IP check.
I asked you some questions L7 and all you got is butt smoochins for werd?

unclebully · May 21, 2004

unclebully · May 21, 2004

Werd should change her name to wench. Perhaps chesty fucked wench and now she is jealous coz he still loves his wife.

unclebully · May 21, 2004

Also this whole better parent thing is pathetic .

jestros · May 21, 2004

unclebully said:
Werd should change her name to wench. Perhaps chesty fucked wench and now she is jealous coz he still loves his wife.

You could be right, she keeps sayin how she knows him personally.

L_Seven · May 21, 2004

jestros said:
You could be right, she keeps sayin how she knows him personally.

Yeah, you COULD be right,
but you're NOT!! :evil:

unclebully · May 21, 2004

Well lets clear up things then, how does werd know chesty and who did chesty cheat with?

velvett · May 21, 2004

URR uh.

I think what Werd means that the mother is most likely the natural choice as to custody of a child or children in the event that a divorce happens. That said many states award custody to the wife unless she gives up the right or has been successfully proven unfit to care for her child or children.

Now while I don't think all mothers are automatically better parents because of their sex I do find the concept of BIOLOGY interesting. If men, because of their biology are naturally apart to search out a women they can breed with that would also mean that it would be biological preset for the female to care for the offspring, no?

*talk amongst yourselves*

It's actually refreshing to see a few men get uppity in regard to custody of children and the action and being a parent and not a paycheck.

jestros · May 21, 2004

velvett said:
URR uh.

I think what Werd means that the mother is most likely the natural choice as to custody of a child or children in the event that a divorce happens. That said many states award custody to the wife unless she gives up the right or has been successfully proven unfit to care for her child or children.

Now while I don't think all mothers are automatically better parents because of their sex I do find the concept of BIOLOGY interesting. If men, because of their biology are naturally apart to search out a women they can breed with that would also mean that it would be biological preset for the female to care for the offspring, no?

*talk amongst yourselves*

It's actually refreshing to see a few men get uppity in regard to custody of children and the action and being a parent and not a paycheck.

Woo hoo! A sane woman. They say biology is what makes men cheat too, I dont buy it.
I dont like the idea that we are predetermined to do something because biology says so. Just part of my rebellious nature I guess.

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

velvett said:
URR uh.

I think what Werd means that the mother is most likely the natural choice as to custody of a child or children in the event that a divorce happens. That said many states award custody to the wife unless she gives up the right or has been successfully proven unfit to care for her child or children.

Now while I don't think all mothers are automatically better parents because of their sex I do find the concept of BIOLOGY interesting. If men, because of their biology are naturally apart to search out a women they can breed with that would also mean that it would be biological preset for the female to care for the offspring, no?

*talk amongst yourselves*

It's actually refreshing to see a few men get uppity in regard to custody of children and the action and being a parent and not a paycheck.

Some of us men have been through interesting divorces ourselves.

I think the nasty part of the whole biology thing is that it also clears off the path as men solely as required for reproduction only and not part of parenting. More of a sperm donor concept. Which could also be used for the reasoning why men should only mate with the women and then go off to their lives as if it was nothing, leaving the women to seek out the means of supporting the child by themselves since men aren't relevant after the point of conception.

I'd given in a previous post a real world example where because the woman had the major career, meaning she earned a 6 figure salary instead of a high 5 figure salary, he would leave his career to tend the children into middle school. At that point she decided she didn't want to be married to him any more as she found a more ($$$) compatible partner, and then took custody from him, who had been the sole care giver, since she traveled extensively, because he didn't have the income to support the children, and he didnt' get alimony because he had the education etc to make a living. Now, if you were to reverse the roles of that, the women's groups would be in HUGE uproar about the injustice of that against women, blah blah blah...

AAP · May 21, 2004

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AAP · May 21, 2004

I am not sure if this has been answered yet.. but whose name is the house in?

Because if it is solely in chesty's name then one way to circumnavigate a lot of future legal problems would be to ask for an uncontested divorce ($49 as some ads say). Get one of those and continue to let her live in the house. Then 3 months or so from now, you can kick her out and there will be no issue of the house being a martial environment. You are already divorced and allowing her time to adjust and move on.

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

AAP said:
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You're a man of few words! :lmao:

AAP · May 21, 2004

strongsmartsexy said:
You're a man of few words!

Yeah, now when I read more of this drama, I can go back and quote myself. Just to get my name on the thread again.

velvett · May 21, 2004

strongsmartsexy said:
I'd given in a previous post a real world example where because the woman had the major career, meaning she earned a 6 figure salary instead of a high 5 figure salary, he would leave his career to tend the children into middle school. At that point she decided she didn't want to be married to him any more as she found a more ($$$) compatible partner, and then took custody from him, who had been the sole care giver, since she traveled extensively, because he didn't have the income to support the children, and he didnt' get alimony because he had the education etc to make a living. Now, if you were to reverse the roles of that, the women's groups would be in HUGE uproar about the injustice of that against women, blah blah blah...

Yes and no.

The wife did take custody of the children a judge awarded it to her.

You know what they say - "nothing's fair in love and marriage".

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

velvett said:
Yes and no.

The wife did take custody of the children a judge awarded it to her.

You know what they say - "nothing's fair in love and marriage".

Yes, but imagine if they awarded custody to the MAN if the man was the major money maker and the woman was the primary care giver... and they gave custody to the man for those reasons... and refused the woman alimony etc...

MrOlympia2004 · May 21, 2004

Does this mean she is on the open MILF market now?

velvett · May 21, 2004

strongsmartsexy said:
Yes, but imagine if they awarded custody to the MAN if the man was the major money maker and the woman was the primary care giver... and they gave custody to the man for those reasons... and refused the woman alimony etc...

Depends on why the judge awarded custody - was it because she was a woman or because she had $$$. And did that woman refuse alimony or did the judge deny the husband alimony?

The gender war will never be fair nor logical.

That said - I think little girls should be brought up like little boys. They should be pushed get their own careers and create their own successes. Child bearing and motherhood should be secondary because it's something they can always do provided the circumstances are right or accidental.

If women were responsible to get the house, pay for the house, pay for the kids in equal responsibility to a man and that concept were to become the "norm" thing might change a bit.

We should teach our children that LUXURY is having the option of staying home and raising your children it's shouldn't be taken for granted as that is just what you get to do as a woman. LUXURY is not a third car or second home, LUXURY is time that in a state of living we currently live in is ample when you have more than two mouths to feed and take care of 18 plus years.

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

velvett said:
Depends on why the judge awarded custody - was it because she was a woman or because she had $$$. And did that woman refuse alimony or did the judge deny the husband alimony?

The gender war will never be fair nor logical.

That said - I think little girls should be brought up like little boys. They should be pushed get their own careers and create their own successes. Child bearing and motherhood should be secondary because it's something they can always do provided the circumstances are right or accidental.

If women were responsible to get the house, pay for the house, pay for the kids in equal responsibility to a man and that concept were to become the "norm" thing might change a bit.

We should teach our children that LUXURY is having the option of staying home and raising your children it's shouldn't be taken for granted as that is just what you get to do as a woman. LUXURY is not a third car or second home, LUXURY is time that in a state of living we currently live in is ample when you have more than two mouths to feed and take care of 18 plus years.

She was awarded it because she had the income and he didn't so he couldn't "properly take care of the children" where she had the income to care for them properly. He was denied alimony because he had a degree, and even though he wasn't in the workforce for around 10 years, he should be able to get a job. Now imagine if that same thing was applied to a woman...

Your second to the last paragraph is wonderfully enlightened. No wonder I like you and you're a scorpio to boot!

Your last paragraph is right on. In the US, the luxury of having or allowing for a mother to stay at home with the kids is great. Unfortunately it is just that, a luxury.

Daisy_Girl · May 21, 2004

Just jumping in to say that I am a female who does NOT believe that the woman, because she can give birth, is automatically a better parent. Better parenting comes from within, not ancient history or prehistoric times. I think a father can easily raise a child as well as a mother.

My parents got divorced when I was very young, ugly divorce, but both parents were ALWAYS thinking of the children first. Mom had primary custory, visited dad several times a week (lived in same town). Mom died, we went to live with dad. Both parents did an AMAZING job at raising us..... neither one was superior because of biology. They were both amazing because they were just amazing people.

Unless one parent is psychologically/emotionally unfit, drug abuse, physical/mental abuse, etc..... I don't see WHY a child should EVER just AUTOMATICALLY go to the mother. A judge needs to weigh ALL aspects of a case, and decide on a case-by-case basis.

Just my opinion.

Delinquent · May 21, 2004

Daisy_Girl said:
Just jumping in to say that I am a female who does NOT believe that the woman, because she can give birth, is automatically a better parent. Better parenting comes from within, not ancient history or prehistoric times. I think a father can easily raise a child as well as a mother.

My parents got divorced when I was very young, ugly divorce, but both parents were ALWAYS thinking of the children first. Mom had primary custory, visited dad several times a week (lived in same town). Mom died, we went to live with dad. Both parents did an AMAZING job at raising us..... neither one was superior because of biology. They were both amazing because they were just amazing people.

Unless one parent is psychologically/emotionally unfit, drug abuse, physical/mental abuse, etc..... I don't see WHY a child should EVER just AUTOMATICALLY go to the mother. A judge needs to weigh ALL aspects of a case, and decide on a case-by-case basis.

Just my opinion.

gotmilk · May 21, 2004

Seashell said:
Chesty... how exactly are you going to get her out of the house if she decides she's not leaving by the 31st? You two are still married.. and I don't see a judge booting her out with the kids somehow...

She played him perfectly. Agreeing to see a counselor shows "effort" to work at reconcile.....and that gives her the legal option of filing divorce papers on him..even though they have some secret handshake tree club agreement.

Judge Judy would smoke his ass for even thinking he could boot her.

Werd · May 21, 2004

With all due respect Daisygirl... are you a mother yourself? Then I am sorry, you can not understand anymore than any of the men who do not understand. You were blessed with A WONDERFUL FATHER AND MOTHER. Why? Because your father didn't try to take you from your mother just to hurt her, nor did your mother keep you from your father just to hurt him. YOU ARE LUCKY and I am happy that you can not understand this... I mean that with all sincerity.

I have said this over and over again - as Velvett is the only one who seemed to pick up and so eloquently voice... ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL - THE MOTHER IS ALWAYS THE BEST CHOICE.

EVEN YOUR FATHER ACKNOWLEDGED THIS, DaisyGirl.... DID HE NOT?!

StrongandSexy - I think you are an intelligent man, but being as how you did not mention having had a child yourself, you can not understand either. Are there gross miscarriages of justice against EXCELLENT DADS? Yes, I have 100% acknowledged that. That does not negate FACTS.

That poor woman that drowned her own children. Who should be held accountable for that?

HER FUCKING IMBECILE HUSBAND. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HIS WIFE WAS ILL YET HE STILL KEPT HAVING KIDS WITH HER AND DID NOTHING TO GET HER ANY SORT OF HELP. That sick, disturbed mother was tortured long before she took the lives of her own children and will continue to be tortured for an eternity. Somehow I doubt the man will feel the same.

As for me PERSONALLY. Glad you brought that up. God, I am SO GLAD you were stupid enough to go there.

You think you are a better parent because you buy your daughter XBOX?...and take her snowboarding? And she is sooooooo "well-adjusted". Sounds like someone is riding the denial train. You never answered the question.... since YOU went there. WHAT DID HER MOTHER DO THAT WAS SO AWFUL THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO RIP HER DAUGHTER FROM HER? You never once said that it was a happy agreement between the two of you and your daughter has a good relationship with her mother. That perhaps this woman had a job in another city and she did not want to uproot her daughter from her friends and school and family so she did what was best for the child who was already traumatized from AN OBVIOUSLY UPSETTING DIVORCE (Cheating whores have a way of fucking you guys up... don't they?). She entrusted the care of her only little girl to HER FATHER who does everything he humanly possibly can to ease the pain that child feels from the separation from her one and only mother. Every single father that is a friend of mine acknowledges that they NEVER even try to interfere with the mother/child bond. You somehow seem to think that YOUR DAUGHTER doesn't NEED this bond... Yea, I bet she is REAL "well-adjusted". You think that disciplining and angry 16 boy is hard?

HA!

Just wait till your little girl is about 12-16! Hell hath no fury... that little girl is going to show you just how "well-adjusted" she is. And this brings me NO PLEASURE as I feel for her.

Now me personally... since you asked allow me to enlighten you.

A fetus is a parasite by definition. Meaning that the woman's own body will rob nutrients from itself to FIRST feed "the host" - her child. BY BIOLOGY ALONE A WOMAN ALWAYS PUTS HER CHILD FIRST. All the men can do is bitch about how she got fat and doesn't want to have sex with me anymore.

I tried desperately to conceive for a very long time. Once I was able to, my every thought and deed was, "Oh my god, will this hurt my baby?... Am I giving my child EVERYTHING he/she needs? ....Will I be able to rise to the occasion and give this child all that it deserves? Physically, Mentally, Emotionally?" This was before a test (yes, there were many MANY negative tests) came back positive. Then for 9 months my worry only increased. Am I eating enough? What if this chemical smell hurts my baby? Will my baby have defects? Will I be able to be the best parent if he/she is NOT normal? Should I exercise more? etc and so on. I was even afraid that a BAD THOUGHT might hurt the life that I was blessed enough to be able to carry. The pain and discomfort was a gift... I LOVED IT because every time a tiny foot or hand got caught underneath my ribs or pushed on my bladder sending urine down my leg because I couldn't hold it anymore I was HAPPY... My baby was moving and it was ok. The birth was nothing short of miraculous... All the hours of pain I endured forgoing drugs because I was afraid it would hurt the baby - I didn't care. The fact that I was stripped of my dignity - everyone and their mother with their hands in me - my most private self spread before EVERYONE like a buffet table - I urinated, deficated, bled, spit, snot dripped from me... lost all control of every bodily function.... All I cared about was hearing my baby cry. When the doctor told me the baby was ok, it was only then that I allowed myself to breathe again... The first time I put my child to my breast to nurse - feed that child from my own body - YOU COULD NEVER EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE.

You talk to me about socializing?

Motherfucker I was HOMELESS. Do you get that you imbecile....

FUCKING HOMELESS.

Yea, I got bored of jetsetting around the world so I came back to sleep on a couch, all my worldly possessions in four motherfucking suitcases - WITH NOTHING. After over a decade of "faithful service" as a loving and loyal wife and mother I HAVE NOTHING... and I have been fighting for my children for nearly SIX MONTHS YOU SORRY BASTARD. Can you imagine living around the block from your children not being able to hear their voice or touch their hair or smell their skin for six fucking weeks after having been separated from them for SIX FUCKING MONTHS?!?! To hear them cry and reach for you, be afraid to look at you at school functions (thast was the only way that you could even STEAL A GLIMPSE OF THE) because they were with their father and YOU KNEW he would drag them and throw them into their rooms because they became upset because they wanted to run up to you and hug you?!... and you could do NOTHING?!?! I MEAN MOTHERFUCKING NOTHING?!?! ...except mouth the words, "I love you baby."

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE YOU PATHETIC MOTHERFUCKER?!!

Why did I give up nearly everything entitled me under the law - ESPECIALLY MY KIDS?!? Because I got tired of how much my children were being hurt and used for loving me. So I gave him EVERYTHINGFUCKINGTHING - to make it easier for my kids....

Not one year you idiot....

TRY THREE FUCKING DAYS..... I came back in 3 FUCKING DAYS when my kids sold out their father for the animal that he is...

Guess what?

I was declared LEGALLY FIT. ALL BASELESS ACCUSATIONS.... LIES DESIGNED TO HURT ME - TO USE MY CHILDREN TO HURT ME..

Chesty, like you and so many other RETARDED MEN in this country don't give a fucking shit about their kids when they go through all of this custody nonsense. All they care about is "fucking that cheating whore".

EVERYONE GETS JOINT PHYSICAL ANYMORE... Unless the children are very small and need one primary caregiver. Then they tell the woman to suck it up and get a fucking job after they are in school - and unless there is a very good reason the custody is SHARED. So you all can get right the fuck off of THAT train.

The law TOOK custody from my ex... for good reason. But because I came from a long history of abuse I ignored the recommendation of the law AND SHARED ANYWAY... GOT A JOB AND SUPPORTED US... That slimy bastard owed me no less than 2 years back childsupport. I gave it all up - nearly all the assets because I THOUGHT it would make things easier for the kids. BIG FUCKING MISTAKE - That slimy mother fucker blew it bigtime. I will not rest until the wrongs that asshole committed are righted.

Why?

BECAUSE I AM A MOTHER AND MY CHILDREN DESERVE IT. THEY ARE NOT BEING FOUGHT OVER.... THEY ARE BEING FOUGHT FOR.

Up until I kicked his sorry ass out by his own admission "I was a good mother". Hhhhhhhhhhhmmmm funny I didn't become a neglectful whore that didn't care about her kids until I kicked his sorry ass out and told him. "I DONT WANT YA N'MORE."

Sound familiar?

As for how I know Chesty... I will give him until Monday to tell you all.

I have never had any physical contact with him.... Puh-lease I already had one crazy asshole ex. Do you think I would need another?

And since you went there Mr Jetross - What do you tell your little girl when she asks you why her mommy abandoned her?

velvett · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
Chesty, like you and so many other RETARDED MEN in this country don't give a fucking shit about their kids when they go through all of this custody nonsense. All they care about is "fucking that cheating whore".

Amen.

gotmilk · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
As for how I know Chesty... I will give him until Monday to tell you all. I have never had any physical contact with him.... Puh-lease I already had one crazy asshole ex. Do you think I would need another?[/B]

gotmilk · May 21, 2004

This is a case for Dr.Phil.

I would love to see this one on tv.

Dial_tone · May 21, 2004

werd, tell us how you really feel......you're among friends.

Gambino · May 21, 2004

I just wanna know why us white boyz get called out...like it is specifically a white man problem. Wtf? The welfare rolls are filled with all sorts of minority moms whose husbands/boyfriends split...I would even suggest that this figure is higher than that of a white mans...so why do we get called out?

Daisy_Girl · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
EVEN YOUR FATHER ACKNOWLEDGED THIS, DaisyGirl.... DID HE NOT?!

My father is above and beyond capable of taking care of us. By having my mother have primary custody, this is not a reflection of him "saying" she was more qualified to take care of us. There were many addendums to their divorce that qualified her primary custody.

Regardless of your situation and your viewpoint, my opinion stands and cannot be changed. Repectfully of course.

velvett · May 21, 2004

Is this woman the mother of your daughters that you hadn't seen in 12 years? Or is this another wife?

danielson · May 21, 2004

nice post daisy girl

you make a lot of sense

biologically there is of course strong bond felt from mother to child.
when the child is first born their is a need for nurture, and the child craves it as it is essential for its survival. the mother feels a biological need to provide it. However, the father has similar abilities in being able to provide this nurture nowadays.

There are plently of studies showing gay families have raised adopted children perfectly well. While caring for a child is something a mother 'might' do better at a younger age, once the child has grown up that immeadiate need for biological nurture is less necesary and can be provided by a male

Adopted babies and children ca be raised successfully, and were it a biological reason felt carrying the baby, you would expect babies given to new heterosexual families to reject their non-biological mother but they dont. The child will always compete for attention with his father (by recieving nurture by his mother), but the driving need is nurture and not by whom gives it.

Werd, im sorry about your situation, I will agree wih you its usually the kiids that get fucked. I however dont see a problem with his wife being re-located and his children living at home with his parents and him. Exactly the same happens with their fathers...and it does have an affect on the child. Its wrong to assume all fathers are poorer fathers, this is outdated thinking that hopefully will change, just as its wrong to label each woman who leaves her husband a whore

I dont understand why they maried but perhaps they fell out of love wih each other. whatever happens i hope you ty to find an amicable solution where equal custodial rights are granted

The Ranger · May 21, 2004

danielson said:
nice post daisy girl you make a lot of sense

biologically there is of course strong bond felt from mother to child.
when the child is first born their is a need for nurture, and the child craves it as it is essential for its survival. the mother feels a biological need to provide it. However, the father has similar abilities in being able to provide this nurture nowadays.

There are plently of studies showing gay families have raised adopted children perfectly well. While caring for a child is something a mother 'might' do better at a younger age, once the child has grown up that immeadiate need for biological nurture is less necesary and can be provided by a male

Adopted babies and children ca be raised successfully, and were it a biological reason felt carrying the baby, you would expect babies given to new heterosexual families to reject their non-biological mother but they dont. The child will always compete for attention with his father (by recieving nurture by his mother), but the driving need is nurture and not by whom gives it.

Werd, im sorry about your situation, I will agree wih you its usually the kiids that get fucked. I however dont see a problem with his wife being re-located and his children living at home with his parents and him. Exactly the same happens with their fathers...and it does have an affect on the child. Its wrong to assume all fathers are poorer fathers, this is outdated thinking that hopefully will change, just as its wrong to label each woman who leaves her husband a whore

I dont understand why they maried but perhaps they fell out of love wih each other. whatever happens i hope you ty to find an amicable solution where equal custodial rights are granted

Answer of the day...Nice.

Ranger

velvett · May 21, 2004

danielson said:
There are plently of studies showing gay families have raised adopted children perfectly well. While caring for a child is something a mother 'might' do better at a younger age, once the child has grown up that immeadiate need for biological nurture is less necesary and can be provided by a male

Adopted babies and children ca be raised successfully, and were it a biological reason felt carrying the baby, you would expect babies given to new heterosexual families to reject their non-biological mother but they dont. The child will always compete for attention with his father (by recieving nurture by his mother), but the driving need is nurture and not by whom gives it.

Not arguing but this popped into my head as I read this - don't gay couples usually have one partner that is feminine side and the other the masculine.

Anybody?

Also, I don't think instances of who gets custody of children is like adoption due to the vastly different circumstances.

The Ranger · May 21, 2004

Yup, but I think he meant not a *female* mother, but I also see what you are saying and agree with it...

Ranger

strongsmartsexy · May 21, 2004

I have raised 5 boys, two of them I shared custody with their mother. Three of them weren't mine, but I'm more of a father to them than their biological fathers are, and one mother threw her son out of the house at 16 after he graduated high school early with not enough basic skills to even survive. So I spent 3 years teaching him enough skills to find a job, balance a checkbook and begin a life for himself.

They are all young men out on their own right now and all doing very well for themselves.

Biology played no part in my parenting skills whatsoever for 3 of the boys. Fortunately for me my ex was mostly reasonable about the arrangement, and when she decided not to be she found it to her own significant detriment.

That whole biology argument is pure rubbish as an incubator is no more a mother than a mentally incapacitated woman is a mother because she gives birth. Being the incubator and carrier does not make you a good parent. It makes you an incubator of something living. Experience and DOING can make you into a good parent at some point, but just being a carrier of a fetus to term doesn't mean you're a good parent let alone MORE of a parent than a man.
You're simply an incubator just like a man is a sperm donor. Parenting comes after that.

The Ranger · May 21, 2004

I like you alot!!

Nice.

Ranger

And I am not implying a woman is a incubator, so don't jump down my throat ladies, I thought the example in reasoning was accurate.

GoldenDelicious · May 21, 2004

Werd said:
SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB.

He is dutibound to help support the household that his children reside in. Regardless of whose choice it was to end the marriage or why, the children deserve a safe and stable place to live.

If there were no kids involved - I concurr. He should have started the legal process to get her out... YESTERDAY. But he chose to stay all those years as well.

well yes, of course. i didnt really consider chesty not contesting custody. i would

Daisy_Girl · May 21, 2004

strongsmartsexy said:
You're simply an incubator just like a man is a sperm donor. Parenting comes after that.

That is an interesting comment. And strangely, I find it very reasonable.

I don't think parenting is innate and assumed...by either male or female. There are many cases where women give birth, but cannot form a motherly bond with their child. Maybe it is a chemical thing, but I do think that some people are meant to have children, others are not. Male AND female.

To bring biology into it as an assumption that women are better to nurture is flawed to me. This means to me that all women are meant to breed, and those who choose not have children are wrong. We live in a time now, in the US, where women do not have to have children to be "complete" and men can successfully raise children.

Again, my opinion. And I am not referring directly to the Chesty "situation". I feel for these children, because they ARE being pawns in this war. I find this pathetic and immature. I am starting to think they would be better off with the Grandparents!

Ulcasterdropout · May 22, 2004

Mother or father....how about an uncle.......?
I helped raise my niece with my mom....
My sister (the girl's mom and 7 years older then me) has/had mental issues
and the father (yeah a WHITE AMERICAN MAN) is an ARMY MP that ran to Germany and has never seen his daughter....ever, doesn't even know what she looks like.
My dad was no help, my mom worked nights so I took care of her
after I got home from middle school so my mom could sleep and go to work.
I did, uh, a not so great job. I made her too masculine....
But my sister got her shit straight, married the most stable man on Earth,
and has since formed my niece into a more feminine little girl.
The girl's mom enrolled her into things like girl scouts and ice skating (I would have never thought of that one). She is a tad too tomboy'ish, but she'll out grow it I hope. She is now 13 and has a boyfriend and has a very good head on her shoulder's (slightly depressive, but being treated). She lives a few towns over and since I don't really get along with my family anymore, I don't get to see her on holidays. Since the step-father is of the old school proud type, I can't give her money anymore. I used to give her $200 a week once I started working (I was still living at home at the time). I figured she had no parents to speak of, so I would spoil her rotten, which I did hehe. Fuck it, she deserved it! Man, she could burn my money like crazy LOL!
That's my story, the mother left her to my mom and me ("unkie"), and the father split to another fucking hemisphere. If I had a chance to change the way I raised her, ofcourse I would have done things differently. I was a 12 year old learning about teething (she had it bad) preparing formula, diaper rashes, and cradle cap. Maybe I shouldn't have shown her how to hunt with a BB gun, watch boxing, or kill a man (potential rapists) with some loose change and a sock..but hay...I stepped up, grew up, and did the best job I could.

jestros · May 22, 2004

Ulcasterdropout said:
That's my story, the mother left her to my mom and me ("unkie"), and the father split to another fucking hemisphere. If I had a chance to change the way I raised her, ofcourse I would have done things differently. I was a 12 year old learning about teething (she had it bad) preparing formula, diaper rashes, and cradle cap. Maybe I shouldn't have shown her how to hunt with a BB gun, watch boxing, or kill a man (potential rapists) with some loose change and a sock..but hay...I stepped up, grew up, and did the best job I could.

Yo man that is some serious cool. Dont even sweat that stuff, about what you should or shouldnt have done. The important thing is she has some family with her that cared. Maybe you did go overboard, but IMHO most girls are raised too girly. They get barbie dolls shoved at em from birth, they're taught to not be strong, aggressive and stand up for themselves. That's all bullshit. Be proud of what you did, big props to you bro.

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

Ive nothing against Chesty, although I can't feel sympathy for the primary reason that Karma is indeed a bitch. However alimony is a fucking joke, I would divorce her ass, pay for your kids, and make her support her own damn self, sell the stupid house if its in your name.

And Werd, a month ago, honestly I might be able to sit here and be put in place by your story, but fuck, there is worse to life, my girl friend is proof of that, your just being a bitch that needs to move the fuck on plane and simple, count your blessings but stop forcing your damn opinion down everyones throat just cuz you think you have it soooo much fucking worse? Try watching the person you love dying a slow and painful death, only to find out that they are pregnant with your child......Then watch a little hope flitter into their eyes thinking that they are going to be able to leave a part of themselves to this world. Then sit there and watch that same hope be crushed by the realization that the pregnancy has a 75% chance of killing them, and not to mention she is poor, from a broken family, and has no fucking medical insurance. Then of course two days after my friend has his first son, I have to sit there and know mine was just killed. I don't believe in abortion, I think its wrong, it assaults my morals, but nor do I believe in telling a woman what to do, and I encouraged her to not endanger herslef because thats the right thing to do, although now Im spiritually shattered, and despite all my personal hell, she only has it ten thousand times worse, yet she DOES NOT shove her bad exp down others throats and sit there on some HIGH FUCKING HORSE telling men that they are inferior to women.....Ya know what, I may not have become a father, but I damn sure would of loved my child, and would have been every part equal as the mother, but hell I didn't get the chance, and both of us are living hell on earth, and probably soon will be made worse as she gets sicker and sicker, passes out night after night, and might not live to see the age of fucking 22 (which is what I am right now)

How dare you sit there and call someone a mutherfucking bastard because you think you have been through such hell, at least your kids exist, at least your not a fucking murderer and yes Im every bit as responsible as she is for what happened, I would never shy from any responsibility, and just because Im a white american man doesn't make me some kind of monster, but then again I would never sit there and talk down to people because I think I know more about life then the nexxt just cuz Ive been through some hellish experiances, thats bullshit, thats wrong, your not above anyone else no matter what you've been through, my spirit is every bit as broke as yours, but that doesn't make me more nowledgeable, I don't care what you think you know, add your opinion thats fine, but yoru opinion is just as right as the next persons so stop being disprespectful and tlaking down to everyone. Sure your situations bad, but there are people out there who put it to shame and they don't sit there and dwell on it and use it as a crutch. Good lord sorry everyone Im making no sense, something just set me off and Im having a very hard tie with life right now, and sometimes need to let it all out...bah

Ulcasterdropout · May 22, 2004

Damn Austin316. I hope your girlfriend gets better (you didn't say whats wrong??) . Werd is/was venting like you are now.

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

I just got sick of her holier then thou approach thinking she has it soo much worse then anyone else here, therefor she is right. Thats fucking bullshit, there are thousands upon thousands who have it worse then her and don't act like such a bitch or a know it all pompous ass.

I fucking hate cheating, and its wrong for someone to live in their spouses house, using there spouses resources, taking support, and fucking someone else! BC Chesty did this in the past, I honestly can't feel too sorry for him, I feel sorry for their kids, to be honest niether of them are setting a good example, and it damn sure shows that niehter is gonna necc be a better parent, but fuck I hate leeches too and thats what the bitch is! ALimony is fucking retarded, thats what pre nups are for

Werd · May 22, 2004

Austin316 said:
I just got sick of her holier then thou approach thinking she has it soo much worse then anyone else here, therefor she is right. Thats fucking bullshit, there are thousands upon thousands who have it worse then her and don't act like such a bitch or a know it all pompous ass.

I fucking hate cheating, and its wrong for someone to live in their spouses house, using there spouses resources, taking support, and fucking someone else! BC Chesty did this in the past, I honestly can't feel too sorry for him, I feel sorry for their kids, to be honest niether of them are setting a good example, and it damn sure shows that niehter is gonna necc be a better parent, but fuck I hate leeches too and thats what the bitch is! ALimony is fucking retarded, thats what pre nups are for

I do not revel in the misery of others at all and I am truly sorry that your girlfriend is ill and that your girlfriend miscarried. I also miscarried a child. Many women do. And yes, I do acknowledge that I have had the privilige of being a mother, however, I am not too far from your girlfriend's plight. Did the thought ever occur to you that just because I post up a lot of shit there is a lot that I DON'T? You have no clue who you are talking to.... But I don't feel comfortable posting everything here, even though I post a lot. There is A LOT that I purposely negate.

Hollier than thou? TO WHO?

One asshole that continues to post up about fucking with someone's ex by taking the children from their mother?... because she cheated on him?

HELLO!

HE CHEATED TOO! She was a leach? Ummmm sorry, that is not wholely true. He gleened benefits from living with her too all these years until HE decided he found God and "loves her again."... Pity he didn't find God and rededicate himself the marriage until after some other guy wanted his wife.

And I have said time and time again - they need to divorce, she needs to get a job and pay bills too.

Jetrsos... YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS... WHAT WAS IT THAT YOUR EX WIFE DID THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIPPED FROM HER ONLY LITTLE GIRL? AND WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR BABY WHEN SHE ASKS YOU WHY HER MOTHER ABANDONED HER?

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

SHE DID NOT MISCARRY....We killed it! plain and simple. we had to kill it to ensure her safety, abortion, not miscarriage, abortion which assaults all my morals and spirit to the core. I don't think highly of myself, it takes every once of willpower to stop from hating myself, especially for putting her through this, I have foughten like hell to keep her from trying to get rid of me so I don't have to watch her die. I paid for the operation, I took responisibility, she is not a murderer, she is a survivor, however Im a killer, plain and simple. I am not at liberty to talk down to anyone, but only point out that there is a lot worse things to go through, my purpose now is to keep her happy, keep her from hating herself for having to kill our child, and to ensure that I never make that mistake again. I could of maybe been a damn good father and I would of been her equal as a parent, not her lesser, not her better. then again I won't get that chance, I just hate feeling personally attacked because I happen to be a white male and thus don't know anything, and don't have to go through hell like women do, well Lady if this isn't hell, and Im not carrying a heavy burden on my soul, then what the fuck is?

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

and yes she better get a godamn job, if she makes him support her and she doesn't work, thats a fucking leach! a bloodsucking leach! ANd yes he cheated too, Ive stated numerous times already that because of that I don't pity him, and that its Karma! However its wrong to fuck someone else while draining ur ex's bank account. He owes his children, not her! And she is no more fit to be a parent right now then he is, a cheater is just such a good example, let alone too, for a kid to be around.

Werd · May 22, 2004

Austin316 said:
SHE DID NOT MISCARRY....We killed it! plain and simple. we had to kill it to ensure her safety, abortion, not miscarriage, abortion which assaults all my morals and spirit to the core. I don't think highly of myself, it takes every once of willpower to stop from hating myself, especially for putting her through this, I have foughten like hell to keep her from trying to get rid of me so I don't have to watch her die. I paid for the operation, I took responisibility, she is not a murderer, she is a survivor, however Im a killer, plain and simple. I am not at liberty to talk down to anyone, but only point out that there is a lot worse things to go through, my purpose now is to keep her happy, keep her from hating herself for having to kill our child, and to ensure that I never make that mistake again. I could of maybe been a damn good father and I would of been her equal as a parent, not her lesser, not her better. then again I won't get that chance, I just hate feeling personally attacked because I happen to be a white male and thus don't know anything, and don't have to go through hell like women do, well Lady if this isn't hell, and Im not carrying a heavy burden on my soul, then what the fuck is?

I have never had an abortion so I do not know how that feels (I am talking about emotions).

I am truly sorry that you have to watch someone you love dying - poor, suffering in pain, without medical insurance. Members of my family can sympathize with you 100%.

And I feel your pain and I understand your anger, but it is truly misdirected. You are taking all of my comments out of context. And though I feel very badly that you are faced with such difficult circumstances especially at such a young age I will not retract my comments as they were not were not directed at people like you.

They were directed at MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES THAT USE THEIR CHILDREN AS PAWNS IN DIVORCES FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF FUCKING WITH THAT CHILD'S MOTHER... Not because it hurts the mother. She is grown. BUT BECAUSE IT HURTS THE CHILD. No where else in the world is such behavior allowed as the mother/child bond is considered sacred in all cultures... except, it seems in white America, particularly amongst white males. I am sorry if you fall into the category of white male American. It is up to you whether or not you will fall into the motherfucking asshole category. Until you do, I have no quarrel with you.

Seeing as how Mr Jetsors has yet to address this issue it leaves me no alternative but to assume he is one of them.

As for alimony - it being bullshit. Really? Your wife of 13 years doesn't finish college, but stays home with YOUR CHILDREN and takes care of your business and household until the night you beat her to the ground subsequently causing removal of your sorry ass from the home and facilitating a divorce. She has not been in the workforce nor finished her education so you (who have BEEN educated and/or in the workforce building a career) have no financial obligation to her? Prenup? What prenup do you sign at the age of 22 unless you have mass assets to protect? Think about what you are saying...

And again... if you do not fit into the category then there is no need to get upset, is there?

Werd · May 22, 2004

danielson said:
Werd, im sorry about your situation, I will agree wih you its usually the kiids that get fucked. I however dont see a problem with his wife being re-located and his children living at home with his parents and him. Exactly the same happens with their fathers...and it does have an affect on the child. Its wrong to assume all fathers are poorer fathers, this is outdated thinking that hopefully will change, just as its wrong to label each woman who leaves her husband a whore

I dont understand why they maried but perhaps they fell out of love wih each other. whatever happens i hope you ty to find an amicable solution where equal custodial rights are granted

I never said that she shouldn't be relocated. Chesty already said time and time again that even HE AGREES the children are best with their mother. Why is this an issue? She was a stay-at-home mother THAT HOMESCHOOLED THEIR CHILDREN. So now she should move out, get a job at the Winn-dixie and pay a nanny to watch the children?

I warned Chesty not to move away... to MAKE SURE THAT HIS PARENTAL RIGHTS WERE PROTECTED.

But, of course, everybody seems to have glossed over that.

I only have quarrel with any male asshole that thinks it is perfectly acceptable to challenge the custodial rights of a mother simply to fuck with her, to use those children as pawns to fuck her ...because "they love their kids."

Yes, of course, men like this are the better parent. All of us should look to men like this as shining examples of fatherhood.

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

Alimony is a thing of the past, it once had good purpose, its good in theory, just like affirmative action and welfare are good principles in theory, but reality is something very differant. Being a sociologist (in training at least) I can assure you that all your white male (And I hate that, judge people as individuals being a white male has nothing to do with any of this) idea comparing to other minorities is far from the truth. Black men don't leave their kids to their mothers for those reasons, they leave cuz they don't know what responsibility is and in many many cases (sadly) had no strong male role model to raise them right, a woman can NOT teach a boy how to FULLY be a man, only a father can teach certain lessons. Only 35% of homes in african american communities are unbroken, thats sad, and it has NOTHING to do with them leaving their kids with their moms in the best interest of the child. Its cuz they don't give a shit about the girl, hell minorities from what I have observed tend to be the most disrespectful towards women, cat calling, being obsene, harrasing, etc etc and again this is because many times no father was presant to teach them HOW to treat a woman, and to put there ass in line. Of course this is no true of all african american men and familes, just the stereotypes, which is what you are also making with white men. People need to start judging on character, not color or heritage, its bullshit and a crutch, when you say white american male, you include myself and every other american born whtie male in this country! So if youd on't want me to take that as an attack on myself. the rephrase your views and describe the type of character and NOT a blatant vague referance on a whole community of people. That my dear is what racism is, is it not?

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

And in this case, he is not the one quitting the marriage, she is, so why should she get alimony? If the husband cheats, all that shit, and breaks the marriage, or the wife for that matter, the victim should get support, yes for sure. But in this case she is no more the victim then he is.

Oh and no one put a gun to your head and told you not to educate yoruself or be independant, that was a choice, and nowadays women should know better and I don't wanna hear it anymore. In the past where everything was unequal it was a good thig indeed, but today if a girl chooses to be a house wife and it doens't work out, its her own damn fault she didn't make something of herself outside of the home

Werd · May 22, 2004

velvett said:
Depends on why the judge awarded custody - was it because she was a woman or because she had $$$. And did that woman refuse alimony or did the judge deny the husband alimony?

The gender war will never be fair nor logical.

That said - I think little girls should be brought up like little boys. They should be pushed get their own careers and create their own successes. Child bearing and motherhood should be secondary because it's something they can always do provided the circumstances are right or accidental.

If women were responsible to get the house, pay for the house, pay for the kids in equal responsibility to a man and that concept were to become the "norm" thing might change a bit.

We should teach our children that LUXURY is having the option of staying home and raising your children it's shouldn't be taken for granted as that is just what you get to do as a woman. LUXURY is not a third car or second home, LUXURY is time that in a state of living we currently live in is ample when you have more than two mouths to feed and take care of 18 plus years.

WERD

Werd · May 22, 2004

Austin316 said:
And in this case, he is not the one quitting the marriage, she is, so why should she get alimony? If the husband cheats, all that shit, and breaks the marriage, or the wife for that matter, the victim should get support, yes for sure. But in this case she is no more the victim then he is.

Oh and no one put a gun to your head and told you not to educate yoruself or be independant, that was a choice, and nowadays women should know better and I don't wanna hear it anymore. In the past where everything was unequal it was a good thig indeed, but today if a girl chooses to be a house wife and it doens't work out, its her own damn fault she didn't make something of herself outside of the home

Silly me... I chose to stay home and MOTHER my children and support my husband... You are correct.

IT WAS MY OWN DAMNED FAULT THAT I DIDN'T TRUST THE CARE OF MY PRECIOUS CHILDREN TO SOMEONE ELSE JUST SO THAT I COULD MAKE SOMETHING MORE OF MYSELF...

Look what happened when I did.

....You were saying?

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

My mother has worked all my life, she made sure to get skills in an area, didn't go to college, but she made sure she would be self sufficient and she works (Hair stylist) and makes good money and knew enough to be able to support herself. We never went to day care, we weren't raised by strangers, and she did a damn good job bringing us up and is just as presant in our lives then any other stay at home mom. And hell back when her and my dad got married, stay at home moms were commonplace unlike nowadays. It can be done so don't expect me to feel sorry for you, both my parents made soemthing of themselves without being supported by other peoples money, hell my dad made soemthing of himself from nothing, a severly broken family, living in the projects for years, on the street too. I don't wanna here it, yes it is your own dammed fault for not being smart enough to at least make sure you were self sufficient and if push came to shove, you would be able to support yourself, it can be done, like I said no one put a gun to your head and told you how it was going to be. Stop using a crutch

Werd · May 22, 2004

Austin316 said:
My mother has worked all my life, she made sure to get skills in an area, didn't go to college, but she made sure she would be self sufficient and she works (Hair stylist) and makes good money and knew enough to be able to support herself. We never went to day care, we weren't raised by strangers, and she did a damn good job bringing us up and is just as presant in our lives then any other stay at home mom. And hell back when her and my dad got married, stay at home moms were commonplace unlike nowadays. It can be done so don't expect me to feel sorry for you, both my parents made soemthing of themselves without being supported by other peoples money, hell my dad made soemthing of himself from nothing, a severly broken family, living in the projects for years, on the street too. I don't wanna here it, yes it is your own dammed fault for not being smart enough to at least make sure you were self sufficient and if push came to shove, you would be able to support yourself, it can be done, like I said no one put a gun to your head and told you how it was going to be. Stop using a crutch

See you need to stop making assumptions. Your anger is blinding you.

I can, have and AM supporting myself AND my children. And I AM making something of myself that is far more than my ex will ever be able to comprehend... against all odds, with no formal education, just the support of my children and family and unsinkable desire.

I came from a family of poor immigrants, heck my parents STILL can't speak English properly and my mother never worked outside the home (until my parents bought their own business when I was about 11) but SHE BUSTED HER ASS the same. Imagine that. My parents came to this country WITH NOTHING... NOT KNOWING A WORD OF ENGLISH AND YET THEY PROSPERED IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT MY FATHER WAS AN ABUSIVE ALCOHOLIC. We grew up in church handmedowns and I had to watch my mother shake my fathers pockets down at night when he was passed out drunk again from a night out with the boys. She would hide the money and make sure the mortgage and bills got paid... play dumb in the morning when he asked where the money he had left in his pockets went. My mpther never took anything for herself. My father was hardworking, true but an incredibly selfish man. I swore that I would be different yet I ended up repeating THIS EXACT PATTERN.... This is why I am in counseling. To make DAMNED SURE that the cycle ends with me... that it is NOT passed on to my children.

So being homeless and jobless and sick in a country where I had no family or friends to help me without knowing the language and being quite illegal was "no thing". I come from a long line of hard-working women who are bright and self-sufficient.

I never fucked with my ex even though he has continually used our kids to fuck with me. The law ALLOWS it. The same laws that are in place to protect good fathers are being manipulated by ASSHOLES to fuck with their children's mothers. This divorce/custody BULLSHIT has robbed my children of 100K$ and by the time it is finished it will have robbed them perhaps of twice that.

If you can't see this, then you are truly so blinded by hate and anger at your own lot in life and there is nothing I can say or do to make you see that FACT.

I don't want or need your sympathy... though you have my EMPATHY. There is a vast difference between the two.

Werd · May 22, 2004

And another FACT that you are glossing over.

My ex and I started, ran and built up a very successfull business TOGETHER.

Let's see, I was a:

stay at home mom
took care of the household
ran ALL of the administrative end and other stuff with our business
was a faithful and loving wife

He:

was an important part of the business
cut the grass and shoveled snow
took care of the kids when I MADE him
was a possessive and controlling jerk that I finally kicked out when he beat me to the ground

I left the marriage with NOTHING: a small amount of money and WITHOUT my children.

I dont want sympathy. Please.... this is soooooooo not about that.

Just stating FACTS darlin'.... merely stating facts.

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

Well there you go, if yor self sufficient, then you don't need alimony. FOr the most part Im referencing the issue in general, weather you apply to that (and all that you had written led me to assume you did indeed) matters not, its just plain and simple that a woman nowadays from this day forth who finds herself divorced and unable to support herself has no one to blame but herself, its your own choice to make soemthing of yoruself, no one elses, women do it every day, so do men. Despite hardships or circumstance people make sure to protect number one, because nowadsy you just simply cannot depend on anyone but yor own damned self. Therefor alimony shoul be thrown out the door, if someone is too stupid to have a back up plan because NOTHING is gauranteed, then thats there own fault. Child support YES HELL FUCKING YES!! Ex Wife support, hell fucking NO. If your able to support yourself and your kids without need of your ex's pocket book, then good for you, obviously this doens't apply to you, but in Chesty's case, if she can't support herslef then thats her ownded damned fault for FUCKING another man before applying for divorce, not his, so why should he pay for her? He should provide for his children, but not for her, and if she can't afford them, then they should live with him until she educates herself or finds a way to do it. If she ahs no skills in the working world, or education, thats her fault, not his. Over my dead body would I pay for someone who cheated on me to live in my house with another (or seeing even) man raising my kids. My condition would simply be if you want to live their, then you can't see him, any contact despite seperation or divorce violates the agreement, if she is gonna be living in my home still under my dollar, then she will be focosing on my kids and only my kids, no other man. Even that is being too fair though

bran987 · May 22, 2004

too much, skipped

Ulcasterdropout · May 22, 2004

I hit ALT F4 to close. Damn I hate the new post hotkey

Robert Jan · May 22, 2004

People shouldn't have kids. it's nothing but trouble.

canadianhitman · May 22, 2004

Daisygirl....well said.

Werd...you're an angry woman, aren't you?

canadianhitman · May 22, 2004

Austin316 said:
He owes his children, not her! And she is no more fit to be a parent right now then he is, a cheater is just such a good example, let alone too, for a kid to be around.

Damn right.

Werd · May 22, 2004

canadianhitman said:
Daisygirl....well said.

Werd...you're an angry woman, aren't you?

You think?

Yes, there is something that I am FURIOUS about.

A - How the law is allowed to be manipulated by assholes that want to fuck with their ex's and use their children's custody in order to do that... and not because they "love that child".

THAT FUCKING INFURIATES ME TO NO END.

These laws were designed to PROTECT good fathers... and who is the one that uses these laws most?

FUCKING RETARD SELFISH MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES... not because it hurts the women. A woman can and should take care of herself. But because of how it effects the children... the mother's hands are tied and she can do nothing but stand by and watch her children get fucked up through years of emotionally devastating (not to mention the financial devastation) legal battle OR she can give him everything and HOPE that it will be better for the children.

This is the only reason I ever made single personal reference on this thread or any other sort of thread that Chesty authored to bring attetion to this FACT - and not because I want or need anyone to feel sorry for me.

It is odd how everyone's feathers got ruffled when I got angry and called jetros out for his OBVIOUS personal attack on me with ridiculous LIES, but no one has gotten their feathers ruffled during jetrsos' many posts where he advises Chesty to fuck with his ex by trying to take custody of his kids from his wife even though Chesty has many times admitted that she is a good mother.

EVERYONE GETS JOINT NOWADAYS - unless the couples decide otherwise or the children are very young - or it is geographically impossible. So could everyone please take a deep breath and chill.

Back to my original statement.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL a child can only be with one parent... who would one THINK to be the better parent?...

Honest answers only.

No politically correct nonsense.

Are there are any of you that can honestly say - I ASSUME the father would be the better parent....?

No flowery rhetoric, just answer the question as it is posed.

Any of you who think for one second that what I believe a mother should be could BEGIN to be equated to an incubator obviously can not read anything I write. I, personally hold the mother MORE ACCOUNTABLE and judge her MORE HARSHLY.. ALWAYS. My comment was not designed to be a cheap shot or put down, just stating a simple FACT.

*discuss*

unclebully · May 22, 2004

maybe IF you STOPPED alternating BETWEEN CAPS and REGULAR your posts WOULDNT be SO fucking ANNOYING and MAKE you look like a HYSTERICAL and emotional WENCH.

canadianhitman · May 22, 2004

Werd...the old saying is true: Don't ASSUME anything...because it'll only mak an ASS outta U and ME. Like daisy said, can't assume the mother is the better parent...nor can you assume the father is the better parent. Case by case is the only way, I don't buy that biology crap for a second. People have personalities that are independent of gender, and that's why there are psychological evaluations meant to determine fitness of parents (at least here in Canada?) in custody battles.

danielson · May 22, 2004

Werd said:
I never said that she shouldn't be relocated. Chesty already said time and time again that even HE AGREES the children are best with their mother. Why is this an issue? She was a stay-at-home mother THAT HOMESCHOOLED THEIR CHILDREN. So now she should move out, get a job at the Winn-dixie and pay a nanny to watch the children?

I warned Chesty not to move away... to MAKE SURE THAT HIS PARENTAL RIGHTS WERE PROTECTED.

But, of course, everybody seems to have glossed over that.

I only have quarrel with any male asshole that thinks it is perfectly acceptable to challenge the custodial rights of a mother simply to fuck with her, to use those children as pawns to fuck her ...because "they love their kids."

Yes, of course, men like this are the better parent. All of us should look to men like this as shining examples of fatherhood.

If he honestly feels she would be the better person for the children to spend the majority of time with I have no problem with that.

Lets not forget just because she chose to stay at ome and take care of the kids, he is incapable of caring for his children. He could make a good job of it, plenty of children are raised just fine by their Dads alone

But what i was suggesting was that it is impossible for them to co-habit, so what she should do is move out and try and get settled. Meanwhile he keeps the children but grants her access. Whenever she finds her feet they can hammer out a custody arguement, that hopefully has equal custody being granted. It would be wholely unnaccetable for him to only get a day or two with his children, just as it would for her

You also must recognise that with the legal system as it is, the ast majority of parents that fuck over their ex's by using the kids ARE the mothers. Merely because its not a level playing field in the courts and that these kind of mothers aren;t exactly honourable in the first place. but whatever the parent or gender, they have an EQUAL right to custody. there is NO biological reasoning and limited psychological basis for cusodial rights being awarded to the mother

Men and WOMEN like that (who use their childrens as pawn's) are unfit parents, and i never suggested otherwise

heres the website mentioned previously, the media has tried to label their cause as extremist and as a publi nuisance, much like the mothers of the protestors kids. I'm really glad they formed it though....its hillarious to see feminists say THESE guys are sexist lunatics when they are actually relics from an age where women were unfairly treated in all walks of society

www.fathers-4-justice.org

Gymgurl · May 22, 2004

Chesty....I think you did the right thing..she has made the choices and now must suffer the consequenses. To many people want everything but don't want to be responsible for their actions. She will take advantage of you as long as you let her. One thing I am not sure of in your situation is did you let her see him as well as you? She should have been made to be with you only is she was willing to work on your relationship. The funny thing is this and I can PROMISE you this....she is going to see that the grass is not greener on the other side!! Hang in there..you doing the right thing and don't let ger guilt you with your children. You only owe them not her

Werd · May 22, 2004

canadianhitman said:
Werd...the old saying is true: Don't ASSUME anything...because it'll only mak an ASS outta U and ME. Like daisy said, can't assume the mother is the better parent...nor can you assume the father is the better parent. Case by case is the only way, I don't buy that biology crap for a second. People have personalities that are independent of gender, and that's why there are psychological evaluations meant to determine fitness of parents (at least here in Canada?) in custody battles.

You are not answering the question.

It is very simple. No witty old sayings apply here.

And as for psych evaluations that is only one SMALL part of the bullshit nonsense one has to go through to protect their custodial rights. It is a lengthy process that drags on FOR YEARS... and talk about expense?

YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

Anyone can make any baseless bullshit allegation against a fit parent and the law automatically ASSumes it to be fact. Then of course there is the neverending appeal process.

This latest round has cost my children no less than 20K. For what? To "protect them from a neglectfull cheating whore"? ...and that is ONLY dollars and cents. The emotional trauma is beyond words.

...and you all wonder why I am so passionate about this subject.

I am STILL waiting for Mr jetsorrso to give ONE REASON why he felt it absolutely necessary to rip his little girl from her one and only mother.

He made baseless accusations against me PERSONALLY.

So until he can say something other than, "I bought my daughter XBOX." I will continue to ASSume that my accusations are right on the money.

chesty · May 22, 2004

Okay, I don't have time to read all this as I am on my way to counseling. But I told her to leave and decided to give her 30 days. I also told her that I will not force her to leave and that if she choses to she can stay there indefinitely. I gave her the house, told her she can see him if she wants and I will pay for it because in the end a judge is going to award her the same amount of money that it costs for the house, and all the expenses with it. I can't afford both.

So, it keeps the kids in a good place, she can deal with her own conscience. She has a job making about 2k a month.

Yes, I cheated on her years ago. Difference is she didn't find out till I told her, I realilzed the mistake I was making and when I did, my feelings for her returned. So, until she is dumped or dumps she will never feel anything for me and I am fine with that.

So yes, two wrongs don't make a right and she must decide for herself what to do and she can't do that right now.

Everyone take a fucking pill and chill. Discuss rationally without the hostility this is ridiculous.

chesty

Werd · May 22, 2004

danielson said:
If he honestly feels she would be the better person for the children to spend the majority of time with I have no problem with that.

Lets not forget just because she chose to stay at ome and take care of the kids, he is incapable of caring for his children. He could make a good job of it, plenty of children are raised just fine by their Dads alone

But what i was suggesting was that it is impossible for them to co-habit, so what she should do is move out and try and get settled. Meanwhile he keeps the children but grants her access. Whenever she finds her feet they can hammer out a custody arguement, that hopefully has equal custody being granted. It would be wholely unnaccetable for him to only get a day or two with his children, just as it would for her

You also must recognise that with the legal system as it is, the ast majority of parents that fuck over their ex's by using the kids ARE the mothers. Merely because its not a level playing field in the courts and that these kind of mothers aren;t exactly honourable in the first place. but whatever the parent or gender, they have an EQUAL right to custody. there is NO biological reasoning and limited psychological basis for cusodial rights being awarded to the mother

Men and WOMEN like that (who use their childrens as pawn's) are unfit parents, and i never suggested otherwise

heres the website mentioned previously, the media has tried to label their cause as extremist and as a publi nuisance, much like the mothers of the protestors kids. I'm really glad they formed it though....its hillarious to see feminists say THESE guys are sexist lunatics when they are actually relics from an age where women were unfairly treated in all walks of society

www.fathers-4-justice.org

No offense Danielson, but what you say makes little sense.

She has been the one to stay home and primarily care for those children but because Chesty has his head up his ass SHE SHOULD MOVE OUT AND LEAVE THE KIDS WITH HIM?

Answer me this question.... If it is not automatically assumed by most that by default the mother SHOULD be the better parent, then why is it that when a mother CHOOSES TO YIELD CUSTODY to her ex and entrust the care of their children to him so that she can build a life for her children and herself someplace else SHE IS BITTERLY AND HARSHLY... RELENTLESSLY JUDGED? Men do this all the time and it is *perfectly* acceptable.... is it not.

L_Seven · May 22, 2004

Werd said:
SHE IS BITTERLY AND HARSHLY... RELENTLESSLY JUDGED? Men do this all the time and it is *perfectly* acceptable.... is it not.

Amen!

danielson · May 22, 2004

Werd said:
No offense Danielson, but what you say makes little sense.

She has been the one to stay home and primarily care for those children but because Chesty has his head up his ass SHE SHOULD MOVE OUT AND LEAVE THE KIDS WITH HIM?

Answer me this question.... If it is not automatically assumed by most that by default the mother SHOULD be the better parent, then why is it that when a mother CHOOSES TO YIELD CUSTODY to her ex and entrust the care of their children to him so that she can build a life for her children and herself someplace else SHE IS BITTERLY AND HARSHLY... RELENTLESSLY JUDGED? Men do this all the time and it is *perfectly* acceptable.... is it not.

no offence taken

The reason i say this is as i understand he lives at home with both his wife, children and his parents. things have now deteriorated to the point where he refuses to let her stay with him while seeing another man with his children in the house. I can understand this point of view

There is therefore no other option. Chesty cannot move out of his own home, and he shouldnt be forced to, its his house. His parents live there too, and even if they didnt, what right does she have to live under that roof? It would make things awkward, and even though she has been the primary carer,the father has a right to live under his own roof. If that means she has to move ou fine, but the children do also need to be in a stable safe environment, and thats where they will be until their mother re-adjusts to the single life. Once that has occured they can then think about re-deciding custody and hopefully chesty and the courts will decide they both deserve access

If a mother released custody to her ex, set about providing an environment for where they can live with her with a view to joint custody and crucially still visited them as much as humanely possible I wouldnt judge her. I'd pity her, as her marriage asn;t stable enough and it would hurt the kids but i wouldn't judge her. I'm unable to think of a situation where men do this or sterotypically do this more, but I'd think exactly the same then too

velvett · May 22, 2004

chesty said:
Yes, I cheated on her years ago. Difference is she didn't find out till I told her...

Sorry, there's no difference.

gotmilk · May 22, 2004

Werd said:
See you need to stop making assumptions. Your anger is blinding you.

Pot

Kettle

BLACK

Daisy_Girl · May 22, 2004

chesty said:
Yes, I cheated on her years ago. Difference is she didn't find out till I told her...

velvett said:
Sorry, there's no difference.

lol....same thing I was thinking. If you cheated, you cheated. No ifs ands or buts. Just because she didn't find out, and your feelings "returned" dosen't absolve you of your guilt. You cheated, she cheated. Your feelings returned, hers didn't.

Move on.

Werd · May 22, 2004

danielson said:
no offence taken

The reason i say this is as i understand he lives at home with both his wife, children and his parents. things have now deteriorated to the point where he refuses to let her stay with him while seeing another man with his children in the house. I can understand this point of view

There is therefore no other option. Chesty cannot move out of his own home, and he shouldnt be forced to, its his house. His parents live there too, and even if they didnt, what right does she have to live under that roof? It would make things awkward, and even though she has been the primary carer,the father has a right to live under his own roof. If that means she has to move ou fine, but the children do also need to be in a stable safe environment, and thats where they will be until their mother re-adjusts to the single life. Once that has occured they can then think about re-deciding custody and hopefully chesty and the courts will decide they both deserve access

If a mother released custody to her ex, set about providing an environment for where they can live with her with a view to joint custody and crucially still visited them as much as humanely possible I wouldnt judge her. I'd pity her, as her marriage asn;t stable enough and it would hurt the kids but i wouldn't judge her. I'm unable to think of a situation where men do this or sterotypically do this more, but I'd think exactly the same then too

I totally hear what you are saying it *sounds* reasonable. I do not disagree.

Now allow me to enlighten you to the harsh, dirty and disgusting reality that is DIVORCE LAW.

According to the law regardless of who did what (unless there is physical violence) neither party HAS TO vacate the premises. Whoever leaves will get nothing. That means - NO KIDS and NO HOUSE.

Chesty has already moved out. He is in another state. That is called abandonment. Unless there was a legally recognized agreement between the two parties (which, of course, can ALWAYS BE apealed... fucking endlessly) HE IS NOW FUCKED.

She gets it all.

I warned him not to do this.... How's that for a man-hating bitch who thinks that all men are evil and should be stripped of all access to their children regardless of just how poor the mother is?...

I WARNED HIM TO PROTECT HIS PATERNAL RIGHTS!

Now he will have lost TWO sets of kids in an ugly divorce. First set was with his first wife. Now he will lose this set to the second wife. My heart goes out to him and his kids.

I think that Chesty is deep down a good guy and is probably a VERY DECENT DAD he just has major control issues. I believe that he truly loves his children. But there is a big problem: He hates their mother more. And now because of that hatred he fucked up bigtime. All because he wanted to "fuck that cheating whore" when he knows damned well that he, himself was actively pursuing other women as recently as @2 years or so ago....

Now his ex can do whatever the fuck she wants and there won't be a goddamned thing he can do about it. He had better pray that a REAL SHARK motherfucker of an attorney doesn't begin whispering in her ear... sort of like a legal version of Mr Jetsroos. Only his song will be, "You can fuck your exhusband with the money." instead of "You can fuck your exwife by using the kids as pawns."

L_Seven · May 22, 2004

Looking good,
Werd!
:angel:

HS Lifter · May 22, 2004

Can someone please get Bozo the fucking stripper off this thread?

jesus, that old lady has issues.

Delinquent · May 22, 2004

The best part is that she's thinks she's the one who's right. The only reason this thread continues is b/c everyone except for her pet L7 disagree with her, yet she continues to made these comments like "next?" and stupid smilies like she's winning this argument. It's funny watching someone write huge ass paragraphs to prove a point yet rarely ever answer someones question :lmao:

Austin316 · May 22, 2004

I just love how she calls people out for not answering her, jestros or whoever, yet when someone calls her out, or dismantles an argument she has. I can dismantle her minorities are this and that with cold hard facts and numbers all day long but she will act like I said nothing and continue to spew her white american men are the devil bullshit. And while my anger does indeed blind me at times, and here it was presant, I can assure you any assumption I had was not out of blind anger but by shit that you had said in this thread. Do not dare group me again though or I will continue to tear apart any social type issues you bring up and make you look the fool (except divorce which I know nothing about.) You are much more blinded then I, yet you are too much the coward to address anything you have no argument against, so you ignore about 70% of what people have posted here or just answer with a question or accusation. Get over yourself lady, you do not know everything, just cuz you have been through some kinda hell does not make you some wise all knowing sage, nor does my experiance make me a know it all, my whole point was to show that there are people out there, a lot of people, that have it much much worse, yet yo don't see them running around shoving there opinions down peoples throats on the basis of because this is happening to me makes me more knowledgeable then you, you, you, etc and Im right and thats it your opinion doens't matter because you don't KNOW what its like. I hate that bullshit, I want no one to sympathise for me either, but your not the only one who is going through hell on earth so don't use that as an argument, it BLINDS YOU does it not?

danielson · May 22, 2004

werd, if thats how its going to go down then thats really fucked. I never argued that point but it sucks for him, and sad that even though he felt he should leave tem all in a house, it will now end up harming him. I wonder if his councillor will testify. I dont see how moving out is going to fuck her...i just hope it does work out

gotmilk · May 22, 2004

HS Lifter said:
Can someone please get Bozo the fucking stripper off this thread?

jesus, that old lady has issues.

WERD!

I mean Tru Dat. She acts like she's a lawyer. Unless she and chesty live in the same state...she knows shit. Taking a job for income is not abandonment and any good lawyer will beat an abandonment charge. Sadly though...Chesty would be better off getting a real lawyer versus this super secret handshake he has with his wife.

His wife played him really well. She was screwed up until she agreed to see a counselor. Now, she might have him by the balls. And phone calls to biker dudes answering machine is not helpful.

Different states have different divorce statutes.

Hell HS....atleast she didn't use two aliases to trash him on this thread. :mix:

jestros · May 23, 2004

Werd said:
Jetrsos... YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS... WHAT WAS IT THAT YOUR EX WIFE DID THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIPPED FROM HER ONLY LITTLE GIRL? AND WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR BABY WHEN SHE ASKS YOU WHY HER MOTHER ABANDONED HER?

Thats JESTROS to you.
#1 It isnt her only little girl.
#2 Like I said before, she never asked why her mother abandoned her. I, my daughter and my x never used the word abandoned.
My x didnt go to another country, athough she is out of state, and they see eachother 3-4 times a year.
Actually we are all in a pretty good place right now. My x was pissed for awhile, but now we all get along and everything is good. In fact she is letting me have some time with my daughters half sister, who I consider a daughter, even is she isnt related by blood.

There are some people in the world werd, who can behave like adults and get along after a divorce, even a bitter one.

starfish · May 23, 2004

jestros said:
Thats JESTROS to you.
#1 It isnt her only little girl.
#2 Like I said before, she never asked why her mother abandoned her. I, my daughter and my x never used the word abandoned.
My x didnt go to another country, athough she is out of state, and they see eachother 3-4 times a year.
Actually we are all in a pretty good place right now. My x was pissed for awhile, but now we all get along and everything is good. In fact she is letting me have some time with my daughters half sister, who I consider a daughter, even is she isnt related by blood.

There are some people in the world werd, who can behave like adults and get along after a divorce, even a bitter one.

Good for you!

Werd · May 23, 2004

Werd said:
You think?

Yes, there is something that I am FURIOUS about.

A - How the law is allowed to be manipulated by assholes that want to fuck with their ex's and use their children's custody in order to do that... and not because they "love that child".

THAT FUCKING INFURIATES ME TO NO END.

These laws were designed to PROTECT good fathers... and who is the one that uses these laws most?

FUCKING RETARD SELFISH MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES... not because it hurts the women. A woman can and should take care of herself. But because of how it effects the children... the mother's hands are tied and she can do nothing but stand by and watch her children get fucked up through years of emotionally devastating (not to mention the financial devastation) legal battle OR she can give him everything and HOPE that it will be better for the children.

This is the only reason I ever made single personal reference on this thread or any other sort of thread that Chesty authored to bring attetion to this FACT - and not because I want or need anyone to feel sorry for me.

It is odd how everyone's feathers got ruffled when I got angry and called jetros out for his OBVIOUS personal attack on me with ridiculous LIES, but no one has gotten their feathers ruffled during jetrsos' many posts where he advises Chesty to fuck with his ex by trying to take custody of his kids from his wife even though Chesty has many times admitted that she is a good mother.

EVERYONE GETS JOINT NOWADAYS - unless the couples decide otherwise or the children are very young - or it is geographically impossible. So could everyone please take a deep breath and chill.

Back to my original statement.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL a child can only be with one parent... who would one THINK to be the better parent?...

Honest answers only.

No politically correct nonsense.

Are there are any of you that can honestly say - I ASSUME the father would be the better parent....?

No flowery rhetoric, just answer the question as it is posed.

Any of you who think for one second that what I believe a mother should be could BEGIN to be equated to an incubator obviously can not read anything I write. I, personally hold the mother MORE ACCOUNTABLE and judge her MORE HARSHLY.. ALWAYS. My comment was not designed to be a cheap shot or put down, just stating a simple FACT.

*discuss*

LOL All of you "politically correct" individuals are going to tear this bozo stripper to shreds if I DARE to ask another intelligent question that you can not answer? Bring it on baby....

When I have answered every single one of yours without name calling (expcet MR JSTrstuss who made the fatal mistake of taking a r"eally intelligent" cheap shot at me first... yes, I know, it is the first grade LOL) have yet to answer my simple questions. Yes, I believe that you certainly DO behave in a mature fashion with your ex... Why wouldn't you? You successfully taught that cheating whore a lesson by taking her daughter from her. Oh wait a minute. YOUR daughter is in the minority. She doesn't NEED a mother. Heck, according to all the PC members on elite NO ONE DOES... HELL, NO ONE EVER DID.

MOTHERS ARE JUST INCUBATORS AFTERALL....

Pretty sad that a bozo stripper like myself can humble all you big bad uberintelligent politically correct white American men like that.... isn't it?

And MR JSteresto sorry, but you did NOT answer my question. And I admit that I was ignorant to the smoking gun of information that your ex had another child. I guess that made it easier for her to abandon YOUR daughter. Oh yes, I forgot, you NEVER told her that her mommy abandoned her...

What do you tell your little girl when she asks you why her cheating whore *cough* you'd NEVER say that.... I am sorry. Correction. What do you tell her when she asks you why her mommy left her?

Different state, different country. What difference does it make? I bet that roundtrip I could get roundtrip airfare from where I was to where my kids were for the same if not less than where your ex lives from your daughter. I assume it must be quite far as she only seems to be able to make the time to see her little girl 3/4 times per year.

And what exactly was it that your cheating whore ex did that was so bad that she should have had to give YOU custody of her daughter? Men cheat all the time and I have yet to hear it EVER suggested in a single post anywhere that he should have to lose his paternal rights because he simply could not keep his dick in his pants. So you were a lousy lay. Does that mean that your ex was a bad mother?

Chesty was actively pursuing other women, that is women OTHER THAN HIS WIFE as recently as 2 years ago all the while telling those women (or at least one that I know of) that he was most certainly legally divorced, but only co-habitated because his wife was homeschooling the kids and he could not afford to support two households.

*DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUN*

:eek2:

And sorry, I am correct. Don't need a law degree, only life experience. Chesty did leave the house with his wife and kids in it. Doesn't matter why he truly did it, it will cost him a fortune in time and money to defend that fact... his parental rights slipping further and further away from him all the while.

In divorce court you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

I hate to bust yo bubbles as well about L7 being the only one in agreement with my points of view. Scroll back and read on. I have been quoted on MANY a thread in reagrds to these issues... had MANY men and women say "I agree with Werd" either directly or indirectly. Does this simple fact make my any more right? NO... It was once "accepted wisdom" that the world was flat.

Simply trying to help you keep your "facts" straight.

And I really REALLY hope that MY alternating CAPS things didn't distract ya'll so much that you had difficulting COMPREHENDING. :qt:

Werd · May 23, 2004

Oh yes... and for you silly boys who love to call me crazy because I have a mind of my own and am not afraid to speak it.

For the record -

"Crazy" and me do NOT go hand in hand.

I have been through the rigors of a psychological exam and so has my "hardworking, devoted loving caring father who only wanted to love and protect his children from a crazy negelctful debaucherous whore" ex. I have legal documentation to back my claims.

Guess who got owned?

I was found to be overly honest to the point where I divulge far too much information. (Big surprize hehehehee) I have above average intelligence, come across a bit over the top but it has nothing to do with being out of control it is merely part of my charm, am sadly incredibly naive... due to a long history of abuse from an early age and parents who not only did NOT protect me but actually blamed me for all that was perpetrated against me.

My ex was found to be so deeply mired in denial that he would do ANYTHING to protect the positive self-image he created for himself. IN OTHER WORDS... HE FUCKING LIED ABOUT EVERYFUCKINGTHING. Blamed every questionable thought and deed on everyone else - me and his lawyers... everyone but HIMSELF. He admitted that ALL of his accusations against me were baseless and when pressed for an answer he could not give a reason for his deep-seated hatred of me. It was also predicted that unless he got some SERIOUS HELP he would most likely snap.

But thanks for asking.

Stripping... hhhhhhmmmmm if only all you lamoe idiots who think you are so much better than everyone else knew how many intelligent, decent women had earned a living in this profession at some point in time. You have no idea how many women have sent me emails, pms, etc telling me that they had also danced at one point in time... They would NEVER publicly admit to it though, because of the stigma attached. But are comforted by the fact that I am NOT afraid or ashamed to admit it. It was NEVER who I was... merely a means to an end; a paycheck.

I did strip for about 2 months or so when I first left the states. I was offered free hotel for the duration. As soon as I found another place to live (got fucked by some "friends" when my contract was up - no money, no apartment, no friends) I QUIT. Took me near a month to find another job - near impossible situation but I did it.

I go-go danced for a little over 2 years. If the fact that I spent some time in this occupation makes you think that you are in some way better than me bully for you!

Any one else like to take a cheap shot while we are on these topics?

But please be warned. I will not address any more of these issues until my simple questions are answered. I asked a simple question and I hear crickets chirping suddenly....

Dial_tone · May 23, 2004

I bet you type like 150wpm....your keyboard probably has a cooling system.

Ulcasterdropout · May 23, 2004

Damn Werd.
You have the online persona of a bulldog.....
This maybe the biggest thread hijack of all time,
but it's been an interesting read.

Werd · May 23, 2004

LOL if yall think I can type, you gotta hear me talk!

And ulcaster... If you only knew. I am the same in life.. all a front to protect and hide who I truly am: one of the kindest, sweetest, most gentle creatures on the planet. I am incapable of hurting a fly.

HOWEVER,

When it comes to anyone fucking with my kids... or when I hear of sorryassmotherfucking men, pisspoor excuses for "fathers" using their kids to fuck with their mothers in a custody battle (as MR jrstrsoeoso suggested over and over again on this and a few other threads to Chesty) I tend to get a *bit* perturbed. :chomp:

georgie24 · May 23, 2004

she is a big time whore....you have too much patience my freind...go balls out and make a scene if you have to. remeber BALLZ....show her you have a set of hairy berry's and she will not fuck with you.

p.s i been through my own personal hell with women. balls first bro ask questions later..the more civil and calm you act the more leverage your giving her...act unstable ballzy and outright outlandish and you will WIN

Ulcasterdropout · May 23, 2004

Werd said:
I tend to get a *bit* perturbed.

Noooooooo. I never would have guessed...

If it is a "front", it's a damn good one.

CFZB · May 23, 2004

Werd said:
Two reasons...

One I can't say... not just yet.

The other is simple really.

I used to be "that bitch" with kids that needed to be made to suffer because she woke the fuck up one day and decided that she didnt want her controlling abusive ex's sorry as no more.

Different names and faces, circumstances a tiny bit different - but the end result is the same.

One controlling asshole husband who just can not accept the fact that for WHATEVER REASON his wife just doesn't want him anymore.

Who is made to suffer?

THE KIDS.

RIGHT !!!!!!...THATS WHY IF YOUR A FUCKTARD YOU SHOULDNT HAVE ANY FUCKING KIDS .....

Werd · May 23, 2004

Ulcasterdropout said:
Noooooooo. I never would have guessed...
If it is a "front", it's a damn good one.

What can I say?

Damn, but I am good. :verygood:

I eat, sleep, breathe my kids. The sun rises and sets on them... I gave up EVERYTHING for them... EVERYTHING. And I would do it again in a heartbeat if I thought it woud spare them a further moment of pain. Can Mr Jestsfrors say the same? Oh yes, I'd forgotten - he is BY FAR the better parent because he buys his daughter XBOX and takes her snowboarding to make up for the void he created when he took custody of her from her mother during an ugly divorce. But it is all ok now and they are mature because his ex got over abandoning *cough* leaving her daughter because she has another one. Besides as he stated earlier it isn't *that hard* taking care of a kid anyway.

She doesn't NEED a mother.... all of the sudden all of the PC board members on elite don't NEED a mother.

But I have to read bullshit posts about a mother being a fucking incubator? Hello! People, I thought perhaps someone might have read maybe one or two posts by me and realized that I was not talking about crackwhores who pushed a baby out in some alley somewhere that was merely the biproduct of a sexact with someone at some previous point in time.

I took such incredible offense to that. I have SEVERAL children (and yea this old lady's ass is STILL looking 22!). None of them adults yet, but the oldest is well over 10.

Who did they *think* they were talking to? Someone who had a baby last week and thought she was suddenly the female Doctor Spock?

In my language there is a saying, "You should not brag about how well your day went until the sun has set." In my day I am figuring it is perhaps 8AM so I am far from crowing. Hell, I get PARALYZED by fear at the thought that my actions will directly fuck any of my kids up for the simple fact that I could not end their father's relentless need to use our kids simply to crush ME.

But I have to hear comments about how a woman is merely an incubator and *parenting* begins after that.

Hello! I thought these people were intelligent enough to surmise from my other posts that I only put up the most primal and basic connections I felt to my children because my connections to them began far before they were ever even conceived. Sorry, don't mean to sound sexist but no man can make a claim that even comes close.

There are many MANY wonderful dads out there. Hell I know two personally that ARE BY FAR the better parent. But that does not even come close to FACTS.

You can sling all the politically correct bullshit at me that you want. It will not make your arguement any more valid.

If a woman is not automatically assumed to be the better parent then why on earth do women who choose to yield custody to the father entrusting the care of their child to him while moving away to build a life for that child and herself get SO BRUTALLY AND RELENTLESSLY JUDGED?! Men do this all the time and they NEVER get judged for it.... NEVER.

A man changes a diaper and he is "superdad".

A woman gets a job and she is a "neglectful and selfish".

*wink* gotcha

I told her to leave

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