Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Finished a tbol/var lean bulk cycle a month or so ago. Put on 17lbs. I'm going to run tbol again at 60mg/ed for 4 weeks probably in mid march, possibly begining of april. This time i'm not concerned as much about bulking but I'd rather lose a bit of BF while maintaining muscle. If i put on a little LBM thats great but I'm comfortable at 192. I'm 5'8. I'd like to get to around 185 - 190 while maintaining. Can someone help me layout a diet that will best fit my needs. I've gotten the flat out bulk down!! Also did a good job with this lean bulk. I didn't put on much fat. Just a little. I'm more along the lines looking for what to eat and what not to eat. What split should i be looking at hitting 50/30/20? Thanks for any help.
I need help with a simple cutting diet
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Check out the Palumbo Diet
The premise of the diet is high Protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by
restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!
HAVE YOUR CHEAT MEAL ON THE SAME DAY EVERY WEEK, last meal of the
day so you dont cheat again.
Fiber helps burn fat! Everyone should take fiber 2x per day. Fiber actually helps increase the absorption of calcium.
When following my diet plan (which includes getting your brain into ketosis), there can be NO starchy carbs eaten!
For a 200lb man:
MEAL #1
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)
MEAL #2
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
MEAL #3
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)
MEAL #4
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)
MEAL #5
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar
MEAL #6
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites
For a 250lb+ man:
Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs
Meal 2 8oz chicken with 1/2 cup raw almonds
Meal 3 50g whey with 2 tablespoons all natural peanutbutter
Meal 4 8oz salmon with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil
Meal 5 50 g whey with 2 tablespoon PB
Meal 6 6 whole eggs
Remember, it takes 3-4 days to get into a strong ketosis where your brain is using ketone bodies (fats), instead of carbs, for energy. Be patient.
Many times I'll switch to an alternatiing diet where one day it will be Protein/fat......then another Protein/vegetables (very little fat). The great thing about the body and fat is that ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS can be stored in the muscle for several days, up to 2 weeks......therefore, once an adequate storehouse of Essential Fats are built up, the body can be "tortured" a little and it still won't give up muscle (that's assuming you're still taking in adequate Protein. Protein can't be stored).
1oz almonds equals 6g carbs (2 of those grams are fiber) and 2oz equals 12g of carbs.
With the beef meal (any fatty Protein meal), you should have the green salad with 1 tablespoon of Olive or Mac oil INSTEAD of the nuts. Only eat the nuts with the LEAN Protein MEAL (chicken, turkey, lean fish)
The best fat sources come from the essential fatty acids-- Omega-6 and Omega-3's. Most of us get plenty of Omega-6s from cooking oils, ect..........however the Omega-3's are harder to get. I recommend WHOLE OMEGA-3 EGGS, FaTTY FISHS like SALMON and SWORDFISH and TUNA and MACKEREL, ALMONDS and WALNUTS have some OMEGA-3's (as well as OMEGA-6s). ANother great fat source is MONOUNSATURATES such as EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL and MACADAMIA NUT OIL.....they aren't essential but they are great for the metabolism (great source of energy) and they are extremely good for your heart.
You're not getting any indirect sources of carbs (just from the 1 spoonful of PB.... you may want to have at least one 1/3cup nuts meal. Remember, Olive or Macadamia nut oil is predominantly a MONOUNSATURATED FAT (good for the heart, but not essential)........ the nuts, and fish oil have the essential fats in them. Also, with regard to FLAX SEED OIL, the OMEGA-3 Fatty Acids found in them (alpha-linolenic acid) has a very poor conversion to DHA and EPA (Essential Omega-3 intermediates) in the HUMAN........therefore, you're much better off taking in FISH OILS (that already contain DHA/EPA) than FLAX SEED OIL.
Once fat loss slows, I always increase cardio first, then I increase the amount of fat burners (clen, Cytomel, lipolyze).........After those other methods are exhausted, only then, do I play with the diet.
Always eat BEFORE lifting........never BETWEEN lifting and cardio.
Artificial Sweetners:
The artificial sweetener itself (eg. aspartame, sucralose) wont cause a problem. It's what some companies complex it with. For example, EQUAL and SPLENDA combine their aspartame and sucrolose with 1g of maltodextrin........whereas, in diet drinks, they don't do that. So, diet drinks are okay, SPLENDA and EQUAL must be used in moderation (STEVIA BALANCE is fine though since they use inulin fiber instead of maltodextrin
Forget using:
-MCT's are a waste when you're dieting. If you're gonna use FATS for an energy source, they might as well serve a function in the body. MCTs are useless. They can only serve as a source of energy!
-Arginine is not going to do anything. It will DO something; just not dramatic.
Cardio:
CARDIO should be performed at a low intensity (under 120bpm heartrate). This will ensure that you use FAT as a fuelsource since as your heartrate increase, carbohydrates begin to become the preferred fuel of choice for the body. When on a low carb diet, you're body will break down muscle and turn that into carbs. Remember, Fat CANNOT be changed into carbs. Therefore, for bodybuilding, the rule of cardio should be LONG DURATION, LOW INTENSITY
never do less than 20 min per session
The BOTTOM LINE is that low intensity cardio (while you might need more of it) ensures that fat is utilized and muscle is spared (especially while on my high Protein/moderate fat/low carb diety).
Do you feel the treadmill is better for cardio, or is the bike(stationary or recumbent) just as good? As long as the intensity is LOW, it doesn't matter which piece of equipment you use
Q&A:
Q: Is gluconeogenesis inevitable in your diet?
Dave Palumbo: NO
Q: If so do I need to consume more than 1.5 grams of Protein per lb of LBM so as not to lose muscle?
Dave Palumbo: The fat spares the Protein....when the brain is in ketosis, the carbohydrate requirements are very very low.
Q: How much (percentage) of my Protein intake would be turned into glucose (gluconeogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: Very little (maybe 10%)
Q: What do you think of submersion in cold water as a means of burning bodyfat (thermogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: HOCUS POKUS!
Q: How about drinking lots of cold water (I think this was even suggested by Elligton Darden) to help lose bodyfat?
Dave Palumbo: RIDICULOUS
Q: Do you think drinking lots of Green Tea is beneficial to fat loss?
Dave Palumbo: Somewhat helpful.
Q: How much is the ideal dosage of Omega 3 for a 220 lb. individual ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to take in about 9g per day
Q: How many Tbs of peanut butter could I have instead of 1/2 cup of cashewnuts?
Dave Palumbo: 2 tablespoons, two tablespoons of Peanut Butter contains 190 calories and 16 grams of fat (so 1.5 tablespoon equals about 12 grams fat) ...whereas......... 2oz (1/3 cup) almonds (about 40 almonds) = 12g fat
Q: I want to add that if I cant find the omega eggs here locally. Can I use international egg whites and just take an omega supplement?
Dave Palumbo: You can get away with 5 whole eggs (regular ones) once a day........not a big deal. You'll be burning up all that fat anyway.
Q: Whats the max cups # of coffee ( no sugar ) can consume on Dave's diet ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to limit to 2 cups per day.......I realize that towards the end of the diet you may need more to help you get through the day.
Q: If you cook tilapia in macadamon nut oil?do you coun't the oil as your fat for that meal! Depends how much you use.
Dave Palumbo: If you just grease the pan with it, no!
Q: what is the Protein,carb and fat ratio for offseason
Dave Palumbo: 50% Protein, 25% fat, 25% carbs
Q: and the ratio for contest prep.
Dave Palumbo:60% Protein, 30% fat, 10% carbs
The premise of the diet is high Protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by
restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!
HAVE YOUR CHEAT MEAL ON THE SAME DAY EVERY WEEK, last meal of the
day so you dont cheat again.
Fiber helps burn fat! Everyone should take fiber 2x per day. Fiber actually helps increase the absorption of calcium.
When following my diet plan (which includes getting your brain into ketosis), there can be NO starchy carbs eaten!
For a 200lb man:
MEAL #1
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)
MEAL #2
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
MEAL #3
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)
MEAL #4
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)
MEAL #5
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar
MEAL #6
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites
For a 250lb+ man:
Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs
Meal 2 8oz chicken with 1/2 cup raw almonds
Meal 3 50g whey with 2 tablespoons all natural peanutbutter
Meal 4 8oz salmon with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil
Meal 5 50 g whey with 2 tablespoon PB
Meal 6 6 whole eggs
Remember, it takes 3-4 days to get into a strong ketosis where your brain is using ketone bodies (fats), instead of carbs, for energy. Be patient.
Many times I'll switch to an alternatiing diet where one day it will be Protein/fat......then another Protein/vegetables (very little fat). The great thing about the body and fat is that ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS can be stored in the muscle for several days, up to 2 weeks......therefore, once an adequate storehouse of Essential Fats are built up, the body can be "tortured" a little and it still won't give up muscle (that's assuming you're still taking in adequate Protein. Protein can't be stored).
1oz almonds equals 6g carbs (2 of those grams are fiber) and 2oz equals 12g of carbs.
With the beef meal (any fatty Protein meal), you should have the green salad with 1 tablespoon of Olive or Mac oil INSTEAD of the nuts. Only eat the nuts with the LEAN Protein MEAL (chicken, turkey, lean fish)
The best fat sources come from the essential fatty acids-- Omega-6 and Omega-3's. Most of us get plenty of Omega-6s from cooking oils, ect..........however the Omega-3's are harder to get. I recommend WHOLE OMEGA-3 EGGS, FaTTY FISHS like SALMON and SWORDFISH and TUNA and MACKEREL, ALMONDS and WALNUTS have some OMEGA-3's (as well as OMEGA-6s). ANother great fat source is MONOUNSATURATES such as EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL and MACADAMIA NUT OIL.....they aren't essential but they are great for the metabolism (great source of energy) and they are extremely good for your heart.
You're not getting any indirect sources of carbs (just from the 1 spoonful of PB.... you may want to have at least one 1/3cup nuts meal. Remember, Olive or Macadamia nut oil is predominantly a MONOUNSATURATED FAT (good for the heart, but not essential)........ the nuts, and fish oil have the essential fats in them. Also, with regard to FLAX SEED OIL, the OMEGA-3 Fatty Acids found in them (alpha-linolenic acid) has a very poor conversion to DHA and EPA (Essential Omega-3 intermediates) in the HUMAN........therefore, you're much better off taking in FISH OILS (that already contain DHA/EPA) than FLAX SEED OIL.
Once fat loss slows, I always increase cardio first, then I increase the amount of fat burners (clen, Cytomel, lipolyze).........After those other methods are exhausted, only then, do I play with the diet.
Always eat BEFORE lifting........never BETWEEN lifting and cardio.
Artificial Sweetners:
The artificial sweetener itself (eg. aspartame, sucralose) wont cause a problem. It's what some companies complex it with. For example, EQUAL and SPLENDA combine their aspartame and sucrolose with 1g of maltodextrin........whereas, in diet drinks, they don't do that. So, diet drinks are okay, SPLENDA and EQUAL must be used in moderation (STEVIA BALANCE is fine though since they use inulin fiber instead of maltodextrin
Forget using:
-MCT's are a waste when you're dieting. If you're gonna use FATS for an energy source, they might as well serve a function in the body. MCTs are useless. They can only serve as a source of energy!
-Arginine is not going to do anything. It will DO something; just not dramatic.
Cardio:
CARDIO should be performed at a low intensity (under 120bpm heartrate). This will ensure that you use FAT as a fuelsource since as your heartrate increase, carbohydrates begin to become the preferred fuel of choice for the body. When on a low carb diet, you're body will break down muscle and turn that into carbs. Remember, Fat CANNOT be changed into carbs. Therefore, for bodybuilding, the rule of cardio should be LONG DURATION, LOW INTENSITY
never do less than 20 min per session
The BOTTOM LINE is that low intensity cardio (while you might need more of it) ensures that fat is utilized and muscle is spared (especially while on my high Protein/moderate fat/low carb diety).
Do you feel the treadmill is better for cardio, or is the bike(stationary or recumbent) just as good? As long as the intensity is LOW, it doesn't matter which piece of equipment you use
Q&A:
Q: Is gluconeogenesis inevitable in your diet?
Dave Palumbo: NO
Q: If so do I need to consume more than 1.5 grams of Protein per lb of LBM so as not to lose muscle?
Dave Palumbo: The fat spares the Protein....when the brain is in ketosis, the carbohydrate requirements are very very low.
Q: How much (percentage) of my Protein intake would be turned into glucose (gluconeogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: Very little (maybe 10%)
Q: What do you think of submersion in cold water as a means of burning bodyfat (thermogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: HOCUS POKUS!
Q: How about drinking lots of cold water (I think this was even suggested by Elligton Darden) to help lose bodyfat?
Dave Palumbo: RIDICULOUS
Q: Do you think drinking lots of Green Tea is beneficial to fat loss?
Dave Palumbo: Somewhat helpful.
Q: How much is the ideal dosage of Omega 3 for a 220 lb. individual ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to take in about 9g per day
Q: How many Tbs of peanut butter could I have instead of 1/2 cup of cashewnuts?
Dave Palumbo: 2 tablespoons, two tablespoons of Peanut Butter contains 190 calories and 16 grams of fat (so 1.5 tablespoon equals about 12 grams fat) ...whereas......... 2oz (1/3 cup) almonds (about 40 almonds) = 12g fat
Q: I want to add that if I cant find the omega eggs here locally. Can I use international egg whites and just take an omega supplement?
Dave Palumbo: You can get away with 5 whole eggs (regular ones) once a day........not a big deal. You'll be burning up all that fat anyway.
Q: Whats the max cups # of coffee ( no sugar ) can consume on Dave's diet ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to limit to 2 cups per day.......I realize that towards the end of the diet you may need more to help you get through the day.
Q: If you cook tilapia in macadamon nut oil?do you coun't the oil as your fat for that meal! Depends how much you use.
Dave Palumbo: If you just grease the pan with it, no!
Q: what is the Protein,carb and fat ratio for offseason
Dave Palumbo: 50% Protein, 25% fat, 25% carbs
Q: and the ratio for contest prep.
Dave Palumbo:60% Protein, 30% fat, 10% carbs
sonicwaste
New member
+1 on the Palumbo diet. Aside from a gainer style TKD, the palumbo diet is my favorite keto diet.
I've successfully used the straight version of the diet to maintain and lose bodyfat.
I've successfully modified it for a bulk and for a recomp run.
The principles and ideas are very effective for both bulking and cutting
I've successfully used the straight version of the diet to maintain and lose bodyfat.
I've successfully modified it for a bulk and for a recomp run.
The principles and ideas are very effective for both bulking and cutting
i like 60/30/10 for cutting. keep it super clean.
if you want to keep it simple take the diet you used to lean bulk and cut the fat in half. ater the results slow from that cut 10% from all macros.
It's a super easy diet to follow and it works.
Take your total weight and multiply it by 1.5 for your total protein and .5 for your total fat. You consume no direct carb sources. The only carbs in this diet come from almonds, anpb, and green veggies. You need to use whey isolate too if possible.
If you're close to 200 start with the above diet plan.
If you have anymore questions post up or send me a pm
Take your total weight and multiply it by 1.5 for your total protein and .5 for your total fat. You consume no direct carb sources. The only carbs in this diet come from almonds, anpb, and green veggies. You need to use whey isolate too if possible.
If you're close to 200 start with the above diet plan.
If you have anymore questions post up or send me a pm
sonicwaste
New member
At 200lbs, your calories should look like this at max:
300g prot=1200 cals
100g fat=900 cals
25-50g carbs=100-200 cals
Fiber supplement 2x per day=30 cals
So in the neighborhood of 2230-2330 calories per day.
300g prot=1200 cals
100g fat=900 cals
25-50g carbs=100-200 cals
Fiber supplement 2x per day=30 cals
So in the neighborhood of 2230-2330 calories per day.
personally i think the polumbo diet sucks. especially for health. but thats just me and some do reach their cutting goals with it.
regardless of your choice remember in the long run a balanced diet is where its at. and all fitness goals are reachable with a balanced diet.
regardless of your choice remember in the long run a balanced diet is where its at. and all fitness goals are reachable with a balanced diet.
What did you not like about the Palumbo diet joe? How was your health impacted negatively?
keto diets are bad for your health. just google it. it can cause all sorts of problems. the heavy refeeds scattered out make some of the risk worst. your body needs a steady supply of carbs. the minimal carbs all weak followed by high carbs for a couple days is not enough.
Why do you need carbs?
I'm not trying to be facetious, but to my understanding you can survive on protein and fats alone.
I'm not trying to be facetious, but to my understanding you can survive on protein and fats alone.
And as far as health is concerned...... We got bros on here blasting 3+ grams of gear a week on top of slin and stims.
I really doubt a 8-12 week muscle sparing keto diet is going to permanently wreck someones health.
But to each is their own. You can get ripped up eating 40/40/20 as long as you energy balance is right.
I really doubt a 8-12 week muscle sparing keto diet is going to permanently wreck someones health.
But to each is their own. You can get ripped up eating 40/40/20 as long as you energy balance is right.
keto diets have plenty of negative health effects. polumbo took the known horrible adkins diet and added the slight daily carbs and reefeds to improve it but it doesnt ully remove the negative health bennefits. i dont like to coppy and paste just google the negative aspects of keto. in addition to the negative health effects of lack of carbs (grains in perticulor) you are eating high fat (healthy fats are not exactly healthy when cunsumed in extreme quantities) and you are really screwing with your pancreas. bor a bber who uses steroids it is a verry bad idea to remove grains, add fat, and throw the pancreas through a circus. it would take books to explain it all and im really not verry good at writing. if you start researching it im sure you will see the light here.
in a nut shell
steroids, hard training, extra mass are all verry taxing on the heart in a few diferent ways. grains and low fat are good or the heart.
muscle building diets are bad on the pancreas and often lead to diabetes just the same as it does for the fat ass that eats at mcdonalds daily. smacking your pancreas around with the no carbs high carbs shifts makes things worst.
your point of the grams of gear, slin ect dont pertain to my statement or your question. i just stated that the diet is poor for your health and there are other efective options that are a lot better for your health.
and i know your not being facetious. neither am i. by the way your sig vid sucks. all geared up for the finally that never happens. i had to watch twice just to make sure.
in a nut shell
steroids, hard training, extra mass are all verry taxing on the heart in a few diferent ways. grains and low fat are good or the heart.
muscle building diets are bad on the pancreas and often lead to diabetes just the same as it does for the fat ass that eats at mcdonalds daily. smacking your pancreas around with the no carbs high carbs shifts makes things worst.
your point of the grams of gear, slin ect dont pertain to my statement or your question. i just stated that the diet is poor for your health and there are other efective options that are a lot better for your health.
and i know your not being facetious. neither am i. by the way your sig vid sucks. all geared up for the finally that never happens. i had to watch twice just to make sure.
You do make legit points, but anyway you shake it this cut/bulk/aas/lift to the extreme lifestyle takes a toll on our bodies in the long run. A moderate diet and lite cardiovascular training is the key to longevity it would seem. I don't see many people recommending that alone on here too often
I just took down the signature. Not sure if you noticed the "Pedo Bear" chasing the little baby in the background. I'm sure most people didn't notice waiting for those tits to pop out lol
You do make legit points, but anyway you shake it this cut/bulk/aas/lift to the extreme lifestyle takes a toll on our bodies in the long run. A moderate diet and lite cardiovascular training is the key to longevity it would seem. I don't see many people recommending that alone on here too often
I just took down the signature. Not sure if you noticed the "Pedo Bear" chasing the little baby in the background. I'm sure most people didn't notice waiting for those tits to pop out lol
all true. why did you take the vid out. damnit now i want to see the pedo thing.
