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I know you will get mad on this but ....
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ummm... what the hell. Supplemental protein provides a convenient means to consume an adequate amount of protein. Given, it should not be the foundation of one's diet, a protein shake helps in adding easy protein to low protein meals. In addition, where would we be without the fast absorbing properties of whey?
I really don't understand what the hell you are talking about. You do understand that protein is essential in gaining muscle mass, right?
foreverblast2
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how many lbs of muscle did I gain off of powder... hmmm... let's see... EVERY SINGLE FUCKING LB is the result of my diet, which in a large part corresponds to the number of grams of protein I take in daily... if you can get 300+ g of protein a day from solid sources, then go for it buddy... but for some of us that is both expensive and unfeasible... so we chose protein... it's the building block of every ounce of your muscle buddy, so give it a break... it'll work as long as you want it to work, that means with proper training, proper diet, proper rest, and proper recovery... you can take all the roids in the world but without an ounce of protein you ain't gonna build an ounce of muscle.
john
john
im no expert her but what would you rather have a grossly prepared strawberry shake from mcdonalds or a nutritional cocktail you can taylor yourself to taste much better and have it at your disposal.....
hhmmm lets see mcdonalds or whey shake.....
i will take a 12 ounces optimum stawberry half cup breyers no suger added ice cream a shot pure vanilla a few ice cubes.
oh yea can you supersize that please!!!!!!!!
hhmmm lets see mcdonalds or whey shake.....
i will take a 12 ounces optimum stawberry half cup breyers no suger added ice cream a shot pure vanilla a few ice cubes.
oh yea can you supersize that please!!!!!!!!
riskybizz007
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First off you cannot compare FOOD against a Liguid Meal. Food will always be much better for you, except in one instance, and that's after you work out.
Purpose of your whey shake is to shuttle the nutrients into your muscles as fast as possible, and if using whey it will be approximately 20 minutes. To replenish glycogen use maltodextrin or dextrose. You will be Anabolic w/in 20min. after a workout. If you eat a solid meal it will take much longer a time, leaving you catabolic for a much longer period of time. If you miss this shake, IMO you miss a prime time for growth.
Taking the above into consideration, IMO it cannot replace actual food. A supplement is just that, it's merely a "supplement" not a replacement for the real deal, food.
Purpose of your whey shake is to shuttle the nutrients into your muscles as fast as possible, and if using whey it will be approximately 20 minutes. To replenish glycogen use maltodextrin or dextrose. You will be Anabolic w/in 20min. after a workout. If you eat a solid meal it will take much longer a time, leaving you catabolic for a much longer period of time. If you miss this shake, IMO you miss a prime time for growth.
Taking the above into consideration, IMO it cannot replace actual food. A supplement is just that, it's merely a "supplement" not a replacement for the real deal, food.
What your asking would be hard to quantify.
Don't think of protein powder as a supplement but as food you buy at the grocery store.
The only real reasoning I can see in what your saying is if we were not using protein powder as an easy way to get our requirements for protein in, do we think that its advantage of fast digestion actually helps much over real food post workout.
The answer to that wouldn't be how much muscle could we contribute to it, but a yes or no does it improve recovery. Answer being yes, my downtime is less between training muscle groups if I'm able to take in whey post workout as opposed to regular whole foods.
I guess if say it takes me 4 days to rest now and it would take me 5 days if I hadn't been consuming whey post workout. I would get in 5 training cycles worth of training for every 5 of non fast digestion protein postworkout,
multiplay that over the time you have been training to find X amount of additionally gained cycles then count back by X and see where you were back then you could assume the difference in strength/size is what was directly contributed by whey.
Of course an insane amount of other things effects training so that would be way off. The whey aint going to do jack if your diet is fucked up anyway.
Of course many people follow a weekly schedule so they wouldn't condense there workouts even if they could train more frequently so you could ask whats the point for them, well faster recovery is usually also and indication of better recovery meaning better compensation for the trauma caused during strength training meaning more strength for next round and more mass to follow.
Don't think of protein powder as a supplement but as food you buy at the grocery store.
The only real reasoning I can see in what your saying is if we were not using protein powder as an easy way to get our requirements for protein in, do we think that its advantage of fast digestion actually helps much over real food post workout.
The answer to that wouldn't be how much muscle could we contribute to it, but a yes or no does it improve recovery. Answer being yes, my downtime is less between training muscle groups if I'm able to take in whey post workout as opposed to regular whole foods.
I guess if say it takes me 4 days to rest now and it would take me 5 days if I hadn't been consuming whey post workout. I would get in 5 training cycles worth of training for every 5 of non fast digestion protein postworkout,
multiplay that over the time you have been training to find X amount of additionally gained cycles then count back by X and see where you were back then you could assume the difference in strength/size is what was directly contributed by whey.
Of course an insane amount of other things effects training so that would be way off. The whey aint going to do jack if your diet is fucked up anyway.
Of course many people follow a weekly schedule so they wouldn't condense there workouts even if they could train more frequently so you could ask whats the point for them, well faster recovery is usually also and indication of better recovery meaning better compensation for the trauma caused during strength training meaning more strength for next round and more mass to follow.
foreverblast2
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can't build a house without them bricks..
john
john
Tha One CrumCake
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proxy said:
You're right they don't work. Because I ate 4 Protein Shakes a day (65 grams of Protein each) and 3 Regular Meals, I only gained about 35 lbs in less than 5 months,... Naturally.
So ya, you're right, those bullshit powders don't work.
alexiarenee
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They are only made to help you gain muscle by making it easier to add protein to your diet....of course, if not training right and not eating good overall, then you aren't going to make progress just drinking shakes.........
strider364
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They are only made to help you gain muscle by making it easier to add protein to your diet....of course, if not training right and not eating good overall, then you aren't going to make progress just drinking shakes.........
Totally true, protein shakes are just a supplement, it's just an aid, proper diet and training are the keys. You can rely total on protein shakes.
Totally true, protein shakes are just a supplement, it's just an aid, proper diet and training are the keys. You can rely total on protein shakes.
Travbedaman
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"if not training right and not eating good overall, then you aren't going to make progress just drinking shakes........."
True about the training part, but it is possible to take almost nothing but milk and MRP`s and make progress....for a limited period.
I don`t think any bodybuliders honestly need more than three good solid food meals and then shakes in between the rest of the day are fine.
True about the training part, but it is possible to take almost nothing but milk and MRP`s and make progress....for a limited period.
I don`t think any bodybuliders honestly need more than three good solid food meals and then shakes in between the rest of the day are fine.
latinoheat6u
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There not really made to gain extra large muscles, but to help add calories or meals to your diet. That's the only use for them.
Phenotype X
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With just protein, consistent training, and a good diet, I'd say I made a gain of approximately 7 quality pounds within a 2 1/2 month period. If it doesn't work for you, maybe the two teaspoons of designer protein in your yogurt once a day isn't enough. Protein is the building block of muscle, and you do not get a sufficient amount from jus the foods you eat, (if you train hard), that will allow significant muscle growth. Ask any lifter, protein is the most important part of your diet, and whey is the quickest absorbable form of it.
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Frackal
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proxy said:
Ahhhhh the stupidity!!!
why don't you try not eating anything for a month and tell us your gains....actually maybe your the type that isn't natually gifted with a high testostrone level...and if you less then 18 yrs old then maybe your test hasn't even kicked in yet so it's kinda hard to gain muscle. you might wanna try some creatine or something like that....if your over 21 then you might wanna try other supplements perhaps Ph's but I wouldn't recommend them unless you know what you are doing because you can really mess yourself up...
