I Have a Question

[Nelson Montana]

Where did this notion that "Dbol alone" doesn't work and you'll lose your gains? It makes absolutely no sense yet I'd venture to guess that 75% of the board believes it and espouses it.

It's nonsense.

Anabolism is anabolism. You can keep every bit as much of the muscle grown on Dbol as you can on any other steroid. I believe the misconception comes from the fact that not only does Dbol cause a lot of water retention, it increases blood volume which is what gives those magnificant pumps. Sure, once you stop, you lose those quickly so it appears that you've lost what you gained. But in a sense, they were never really "gains." So the notion that it's somewhat irresponsible to use Dbol alone has no credence whatsoever.

If you want to maintain that "full, vascular look" after a cycle, I'd recommend using creatine (BIG BLAST) and VIGOR, which increases blood volume. It's an easy and effective way to maintain the Dbol effects.

There's nothing wrong with Dbol as a starter drug. In fact, I think it's an excellent choice for a first timer to test the waters.

No steroid provides 100% permanent gains. A drug like winny is so mild and causes no water retention so it appears that what you get, you keep, but that too is an illusion. The one exception to the rule might be Primobolan, but that too is arguable.

If you know what you're doing, you can keep 25% of your gains. (Up to a point). But it doesn't matter whether it's Dbol or test or Deca or Tren. There aren't Anavar receptors and Anadrol receptions or Masteron muscle fibers or Finaplex muscle fibers. Muscle is muscle.

All steroids grow muscle. All muscle developed from steroids is the same. All muscle from steroids has the same capability to remain. All muscle from steroids will diminish somewhat after a cycle. The effects of Dbol is no different than any other.

Let's lose this myth once and for all.

 

[jhondo]

Maybe the gains people speak of are the strength gains associated with, not only the additional lean tissue, but mainly the added leverage provided by the extra water retention?

I come and go from this forum and am not always up on things but I'm glad to see that you're back to posting Nelson. Always enjoy and respect your opinion on different subjects.

 

[HAYEZ]

The only thing this thread will do is create a frenzy of dbol only cycle threads

 

[Nelson Montana]

The only thing this thread will do is create a frenzy of dbol only cycle threads

Not so. The amount of Dbol necessary for an experienced juicer would be far too toxic to yield significant gains. That's the case with any oral. The point is simple. It is not the drug that has less affinity to maintain muscle. Muscle gained is muscle gained.

Dbol makes you stronger because of the blood volume. That doesn't mean you lose more muscle once that advantage is gone. You just lose the strength.

And again, that blood volume boost can be replicated, to a degree, with supplementation.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I think Nelson knows what he is talking about he has been in the game for a long time. I think that everyone will say not to do a dbol only cycle because every steroid will shut you down to an extent correct me if i am wrong so people will say take test with dbol to aviod your sex drive going away but test will shut you down also this is why you have to have a solid PCT regime in order before you even start a cycle.

 

[thebadguy54]

The only thing this thread will do is create a frenzy of dbol only cycle threads

Hopefully not!

 

[bw1]

I agree for the most part. I can do well on just small doses of test. It's how you eat, train, sleep, supplement etc that helps you maintain or keep your gains or minimize "bloat". Every one wants 110% of of their AAS, but are they putting 110% in their nutrition?, or their training?

 

[HAYEZ]

I think Nelson knows what he is talking about he has been in the game for a long time. I think that everyone will say not to do a dbol only cycle because every steroid will shut you down to an extent correct me if i am wrong so people will say take test with dbol to aviod your sex drive going away but test will shut you down also this is why you have to have a solid PCT regime in order before you even start a cycle.

My comment has to do with noobs reading this and taking it as dbol only cycle is acceptable cause nelson said gains will stick. Pct and all that has nothing to do with the point that they will think hey I'm gonna eat dbol all day and its a great cycle.

 

[lookinfit75]

Thank you Nelson for your insight.

 

[nickster#1]

I have to disagree with what you say regarding an experienced juicer needing to take toxic levels of dbol to get the significant gains sought after. I have done dbol on several of my past cycles, 30mg a day for first 4 to 6 weks with excellent results each time. One cycle I did 45mg a day with same results as 30mg a day. Also, the fact that dbol is liver toxic and this being the reason why it is reccomended to keep cycles with dbol short, when you blow up on dbol, and then stop, you do in fact lose a GREAT deal of your gains, and also need to do a pct as you will be shut down, it to me is just a tease of a cycle. Test recommended along with dbol is protocol because, dbol only??? Goodbye sex drive. And also, test is best, and essential to ANY cycle, IMHO. From my personal experience, and others that I know, test is the foundation in any cycle unless you are doing a light primo or var cycle. I love dbol, alot more than anadrol. Dbol gives you a great start to a cycle, and without the harsh sides you get from anadrol or other orals. But by itself??? No thanks. It is just a tease, and would only make a person, especially someone new to aas, frustrated as your gains come so quickly and strength, size are off the charts, but when your done, %80 to %90 goes away, even with a good pct. And your left holding a limp dick, durring and after cycle until your natty levels are up to par.
JMHO

Not so. The amount of Dbol necessary for an experienced juicer would be far too toxic to yield significant gains. That's the case with any oral. The point is simple. It is not the drug that has less affinity to maintain muscle. Muscle gained is muscle gained.

Dbol makes you stronger because of the blood volume. That doesn't mean you lose more muscle once that advantage is gone. You just lose the strength.

And again, that blood volume boost can be replicated, to a degree, with supplementation.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have to disagree with what you say regarding an experienced juicer needing to take toxic levels of dbol to get the significant gains sought after. I have done dbol on several of my past cycles, 30mg a day for first 4 to 6 weks with excellent results each time. One cycle I did 45mg a day with same results as 30mg a day. Also, the fact that dbol is liver toxic and this being the reason why it is reccomended to keep cycles with dbol short, when you blow up on dbol, and then stop, you do in fact lose a GREAT deal of your gains, and also need to do a pct as you will be shut down, it to me is just a tease of a cycle. Test recommended along with dbol is protocol because, dbol only??? Goodbye sex drive. And also, test is best, and essential to ANY cycle, IMHO. From my personal experience, and others that I know, test is the foundation in any cycle unless you are doing a light primo or var cycle. I love dbol, alot more than anadrol. Dbol gives you a great start to a cycle, and without the harsh sides you get from anadrol or other orals. But by itself??? No thanks. It is just a tease, and would only make a person, especially someone new to aas, frustrated as your gains come so quickly and strength, size are off the charts, but when your done, %80 to %90 goes away, even with a good pct. And your left holding a limp dick, durring and after cycle until your natty levels are up to par.
JMHO

So you're saying that using test prevents suppression and loss of libido AFTERWARD? That's impossible since test is every bit as suppressive as dbol.

 

[needsize]

Nelson, so glad to see you post this, I just said almost exactly the same thing on another forum...I get so sick of guys just posting up the old wives tales that they hear in the locker rooms, and this myth is the king of them....
dbol is so anabolic its great for growth, but because some dude sporting the massive 16" guns in the locker room said that it doesnt work on its own, then that much be true....

 

[nickster#1]

So you're saying that using test prevents suppression and loss of libido AFTERWARD? That's impossible since test is every bit as suppressive as dbol.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am just saying that with MY experience, and ALL the people I know and deal with in regards to aas, dbol only cycles are superfical, meaning that you get this huge gain in size and strength real fast, and when your done, you lose almost all of what you gained. The use of test with dbol is not only to help keep your gains, but also for libido purposes. Dbol only will suppress you, just as test will. But the differance being, you can still have great, and enhanced sex drive with test and dbol, as to where just dbol, you get big, strong and bloated, and a limp dick, durring and after a cycle. I am sorry, but it is my experience that test allows you to keep your hard earned gains alot better than just dbol alone cycle.
Who knows................everyone responds differant to these compounds. I am just going on my own experience and others as well. No offense bro. Just posting my .002
peace

 

[Nelson Montana]

No, that is not what I am saying. I am just saying that with MY experience, and ALL the people I know and deal with in regards to aas, dbol only cycles are superfical, meaning that you get this huge gain in size and strength real fast, and when your done, you lose almost all of what you gained. The use of test with dbol is not only to help keep your gains, but also for libido purposes. Dbol only will suppress you, just as test will. But the differance being, you can still have great, and enhanced sex drive with test and dbol, as to where just dbol, you get big, strong and bloated, and a limp dick, durring and after a cycle. I am sorry, but it is my experience that test allows you to keep your hard earned gains alot better than just dbol alone cycle.
Who knows................everyone responds differant to these compounds. I am just going on my own experience and others as well. No offense bro. Just posting my .002
peace

Keep in mind, test and dbol produce more gains because it's MORE. I'm not disagreeing with everything you're saying, I just think much of it is a separate issue from what I was saying.

 

[tinytim-nor]

Keep in mind, test and dbol produce more gains because it's MORE. I'm not disagreeing with everything you're saying, I just think much of it is a separate issue from what I was saying.

Also, test is generally run for 10+ weeks, maybe this allows gains to stick somewhat better than the 4-6weeks most limit themselves to on dbol only?

And dbol only cycles probably gets a bad rep because a lot of those that employ them are young, inexperienced with training AND diet. Many even stop training altogether when they've finished their stash of dianabol. Then it's no wonder no gains will be kept.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

agree with nelson, dbol is anabolic just like other steroids

 

[chazk]

I personally choose injectables due to less liver toxicty vs orals that stress the liver more.

But to say dbol is less anabolic is very unlogical . Look at arnold, draper, scott those guys blew up off the stuff in the laste 60's and you cant tell me it was all pump

 

[nickster#1]

I am not saying that dbol is not very anabolic. My concern is the fact that most people who have done dbol only cycles are in fact inexperienced and throw all caution to the wind. They do dbol, lift hard, and put on this great amount of weight real fast, get strong as hell, and feel good at the same time, no aggressive behaviors due to the fact that dbol is not very andrgenic. BUT, after they are done with their cycle, and after the first week or two, lose 10 to 15 of the LBs they put on, strength goes down the hole, (although they are still a bit stronger than they were when they started, just dont remember), and being they are somewhat shut down, libido is not quite what it should be, discouragement sets in and they either say f--k it and give up all together, or they go right back on dbol and get some of their size back. The thing is that dbol is not just liver toxic, but it also sends BP through the roof, and the water retention with the michelin man look???? No thanks.
I will admit this. If a person is super dedicated and disciplined with enough experience, sure, he can do a dbol only cycle and keep maybe half of it at most. But that is if he has what it takes after the big drop in weight and strength to keep driving himself hard in the gym, still eats like there is no tomorrow. I do know people that do only orals, and those are the people that dont like to pin themselves. They are also the ones that you see one day and they look nice and plump, and 3 months later, they look like they did from day one. I love dbol, and believe it is one of the staples in a good stack, used for a jump start or a bridge to pct. But as of yet, I have not met one person that does orals only, dbol, winny, anadrol, whatever, that has been able to keep the majority of their gains.
To those of you who do just dbol only with success, I commend you. Myself? I wish that orals only worked for me. dbol especially.
One more thing. Someone mentioned that the reason test gains stick with you better because you are on them longer than dbol? Do a 6 week prop only cycle, 100mg eod, and then do a dbol only cycle, 45mg ed 6 weeks. Who do you think will keep the majority of their gains????
peace bros

I personally choose injectables due to less liver toxicty vs orals that stress the liver more.

But to say dbol is less anabolic is very unlogical . Look at arnold, draper, scott those guys blew up off the stuff in the laste 60's and you cant tell me it was all pump

 

[lookinfit75]

One more thing. Someone mentioned that the reason test gains stick with you better because you are on them longer than Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ? Do a 6 week testosterone propionate only cycle, 100mg eod, and then do a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle, 45mg ed 6 weeks. Who do you think will keep the majority of their gains????
peace bros

Nickster,
Since you posed this question, I'm genuinly interested in knowing what your answer to this question is.

 

[needtogetaas]

Where did this notion that "Dbol alone" doesn't work and you'll lose your gains? It makes absolutely no sense yet I'd venture to guess that 75% of the board believes it and espouses it.

It's nonsense.

Anabolism is anabolism. You can keep every bit as much of the muscle grown on Dbol as you can on any other steroid. I believe the misconception comes from the fact that not only does Dbol cause a lot of water retention, it increases blood volume which is what gives those magnificant pumps. Sure, once you stop, you lose those quickly so it appears that you've lost what you gained. But in a sense, they were never really "gains." So the notion that it's somewhat irresponsible to use Dbol alone has no credence whatsoever.

If you want to maintain that "full, vascular look" after a cycle, I'd recommend using creatine (BIG BLAST) and VIGOR, which increases blood volume. It's an easy and effective way to maintain the Dbol effects.

There's nothing wrong with Dbol as a starter drug. In fact, I think it's an excellent choice for a first timer to test the waters.

No steroid provides 100% permanent gains. A drug like winny is so mild and causes no water retention so it appears that what you get, you keep, but that too is an illusion. The one exception to the rule might be Primobolan, but that too is arguable.

If you know what you're doing, you can keep 25% of your gains. (Up to a point). But it doesn't matter whether it's Dbol or test or Deca or Tren. There aren't Anavar receptors and Anadrol receptions or Masteron muscle fibers or Finaplex muscle fibers. Muscle is muscle.

All steroids grow muscle. All muscle developed from steroids is the same. All muscle from steroids has the same capability to remain. All muscle from steroids will diminish somewhat after a cycle. The effects of Dbol is no different than any other.

Let's lose this myth once and for all.

Thank you.

 

[nickster#1]

Nickster,
Since you posed this question, I'm genuinly interested in knowing what your answer to this question is.

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-prop than you would from the dbol. Besides TNE, test-prop is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than dbol. Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the dbol, the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the dbol. With test-prop, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with dbol. Also, with prop, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as enanth or cyp. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the dbol, but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing dbol the other prop, 6 weeks each.
dbol gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
prop gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After pct, dbol keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
prop keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just dbol is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with aas.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

 

[needtogetaas]

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-prop than you would from the dbol. Besides TNE, test-prop is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than dbol. Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the dbol, the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the dbol. With test-prop, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with dbol. Also, with prop, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as enanth or cyp. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the dbol, but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing dbol the other prop, 6 weeks each.
dbol gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
prop gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After pct, dbol keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
prop keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just dbol is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with aas.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

You sure. Or is test suspension?

 

[nickster#1]

You sure. Or is test suspension?

Test suspension = TNE, test no ester.
Re-read what I wrote bro. "besides TNE, test prop is the most pure form of test".
I love TNE, test suspesion. Turns me into a one bad ass MOFO.
peace brutha

 

[needtogetaas]

Test suspension = TNE, test no ester.
Re-read what I wrote bro. "besides TNE, test prop is the most pure form of test".
I love TNE, test suspesion. Turns me into a one bad ass MOFO.
peace brutha

opps I missed it lol. Good shit bro. I skimmed the post and did not see that part.

 

[nickster#1]

opps I missed it lol. Good shit bro. I skimmed the post and did not see that part.

Its all good bro. My feelings are not "that hurt" because you just skimmed my post.

 

[needtogetaas]

Its all good bro. My feelings are not "that hurt" because you just skimmed my post.

 

[lookinfit75]

You are going to keep more of your gains from the test-testosterone propionate than you would from the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Besides TNE, test-testosterone propionate is the most pure form of test there is. It is also a whole lot more androgenic than Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Dbol is more anabolic, but again, the gains, size and strength, are coming mostly from the retained water in your muscles. So once you stop the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , the water goes away, along with alot of the strength and size you put on from the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . With test-testosterone propionate, you have the added benefit of aggression in the weight room that you DONT have with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . Also, with testosterone propionate, you have less aromatization than the longer esters such as testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. So less water, and more aggression, more test. Your gains from the test wont be as significant as the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , but say 2 guys with the same stats go into the gym, one doing Dianabol - methandrostenolone - the other testosterone propionate, 6 weeks each.
Dianabol - methandrostenolone - gains 25lbs and bench press goes from 350 to 475.
testosterone propionate gains 16lbs and bench goes from 350 to 425.
After PCT - post cycle therapy - , Dianabol - methandrostenolone - keeps maybe 5 to 8 lbs and bench goes back down to 375.
testosterone propionate keeps 10+ lbs, and bench stays around the 400 mark.
Both guys eat the same, train the same, and again, same stats.
This may be a hypothetical situation, but I have seen this happen time and again, guys who think that doing just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is OK, and never really get anywhere in the long run. I am not talking to you from some book I read, I am speaking from personal experiences of my own and from alot of people I know and see in the gym for years who have experiences with anabolic steroids.
I hope I answered your, my question. I can go into alot of dynamics as to how all these compounds work, but you dont already know, it will give you something to do.
peace bro

Thank you for the answer to my/your question. Once again, real world experience is what I am looking for and you gave it to me and it's much appreciated.
Now based on your model, what would the gains be on a test/dbol cycle?

 

[the_alcatraz]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

Would you say that 2 months after finishing a cycle of 350 mgs of test a week you'd be stronger than 2 months after a cycle of 350 mgs of dbol a week? I'd highly suspect that.

 

[tinytim-nor]

dbol alone is not a bad cycle. I just think it's not a very good first cycle.

With my experience, I get too bloated with dbol, and it is true that you lose a lot of size when you get off orals becuase you lose lots of water retention - that has been my experience with dbol. I also lost a lot of strength when coming off. That being said, dbol is amazing for bulking and a great start to a cylce. Would I do a dbol only cycle? Probably not.

I would do an anadrol 50 only cycle though

I know what you're thinking. Everyone says mg for mg, dbol is stronger more potent than anadrol. I just have had amazing size and strength gains with anadrol and thats why I prefer it over dbol.

I have just started today a cycle of dbol AND anadrol with some winstrol for good measure. Will be on 6 weeks unless gyno or other sides makes it not worth it. Heard good things about it and have had good experience with very short drol+win cycles in the past. I just hope I don't kill any innocent bystanders when my liver explodes!

Tiny

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have just started today a cycle of dbol AND anadrol with some winstrol for good measure. Will be on 6 weeks unless gyno or other sides makes it not worth it. Heard good things about it and have had good experience with very short drol+win cycles in the past. I just hope I don't kill any innocent bystanders when my liver explodes!

Tiny

What's the total dosage? ANything over one Drol a day is pushing it IMO.

 

[Burpees]

The reason I haven't decided on Test/Deca/Dbol is because I always thought you didn't keep anything from the Dbol. I get plenty of drive and pump from my Test.. But if it helps with the synergy, and you do indeed make gains, then I'm willing to try it..

In fact I may just cut out my Test/EQ/Var/Winny for go with Test/Deca/Dbol first 4 weeks/Var or Winny last 6 weeks..

Good thread Nelson.

 

[tinytim-nor]

What's the total dosage? ANything over one Drol a day is pushing it IMO.

Well, then I am definitely pushing it. However, having plowed through quite a few studies on the medical uses of anadrol, I am of the opinion that drol's liver-killing capacity is WAY exaggerated.

I will use 100mg drol ED, 50mg winny and 30mg dbol for six weeks. Eating liv 52 for what it's worth. I am not saying it's a healthy choice, but I think it will put on some mass. Had good experiences with several short bursts (two weekers) of drol and winny previously.

I realise 6 weeks is insane in the eyes of many here, but like I said, reading the medical studies on the use of anadrol... well, even children were prescribed anadrol for 6-18 months and suffered NO liver damage at dosages of 150mg ED. Six weeks doesn't sound quite as bad then.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

prodigal advice

 

[needsize]

The only time in all the years I have been juicing that I actually had blood pressure issues was when I was combining dbol and anadrol, it went right off the scale, be careful with that

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

The only time in all the years I have been juicing that I actually had blood pressure issues was when I was combining dbol and anadrol, it went right off the scale, be careful with that

+1

Although the liver is something to keep in mind, I would be more worried about cholesterol and blood pressure on that cycle.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Would you say that 2 months after finishing a cycle of 350 mgs of test a week you'd be stronger than 2 months after a cycle of 350 mgs of dbol a week? I'd highly suspect that.

hmm....I can't say for sure...I keep a good diet after cycle and my strength carries over to some degree. I usually don't do oral only cycles, but you make a good point.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I have just started today a cycle of dbol AND anadrol with some winstrol for good measure. Will be on 6 weeks unless gyno or other sides makes it not worth it. Heard good things about it and have had good experience with very short drol+win cycles in the past. I just hope I don't kill any innocent bystanders when my liver explodes!

Tiny

dbol anadrol and winny? are you psycho? I hope the winny isnt oral winny?

 

[tinytim-nor]

dbol anadrol and winny? are you psycho? I hope the winny isnt oral winny?

Yes it's oral.

If I get high blood pressure or other untolerable sides I will reduce dosages.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure my drol is underdosed (most ug drol is) and I had to run 150mg ED on a previous (shorter) run to get any effect from it.

I don't believe orals are as bad as many make them out to be.

I don't feel psycho, but that's probably typical of psychos?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I don't feel psycho, but that's probably typical of psychos?

Heh that's true

 

[crxdog]

So guys reading back through everyones posts here taking a D-Bol only cycle may be ideal for short term strength and size gains but long term your not going to be able to keep these gains unless your totally pedantic with your PCT and diet. And although D-Bol is great its effect on the liver is pretty rough.

D-Bol is ideal to jumpstart at the beginning of a cycle preferably a Test cycle.

So you guys are saying for a first time AAS cycle D-Bol is NOT advised. Test @ 12 with some D-Bol 1-5 weeks at the start would be better.

 

[HAYEZ]

I have just started today a cycle of dbol AND anadrol with some winstrol for good measure. Will be on 6 weeks unless gyno or other sides makes it not worth it. Heard good things about it and have had good experience with very short drol+win cycles in the past. I just hope I don't kill any innocent bystanders when my liver explodes!

Tiny

yeah i was right!!!!!

 

[HAYEZ]

So guys reading back through everyones posts here taking a D-Bol only cycle may be ideal for short term strength and size gains but long term your not going to be able to keep these gains unless your totally pedantic with your PCT and diet. And although D-Bol is great its effect on the liver is pretty rough.

D-Bol is ideal to jumpstart at the beginning of a cycle preferably a Test cycle.

So you guys are saying for a first time AAS cycle D-Bol is NOT advised. Test @ 12 with some D-Bol 1-5 weeks at the start would be better.

yes sir

 

[crxdog]

yes sir

Cheers Bro.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

simply the most cost effective steroid other than methyltest

i still will venture to compare dbols anabolism with methasteron aka methylmasteron

nelson have you ever researched it, mestanalone is another name for it it has been around for decades in medical treatment

f2

 

[Nelson Montana]

simply the most cost effective steroid other than methyltest

i still will venture to compare dbols anabolism with methasteron aka methylmasteron

nelson have you ever researched it, mestanalone is another name for it it has been around for decades in medical treatment

f2

Metyltest is extremely toxic. It causes sick surges in strength and aggression and if ever there was a drug that causes "rage" that is it. Doses that would provide effective anabolism would be riddled with nasty side effects.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

pharmacist.

the unmentioned downside of a dbol only cycle is the fluctuation of blood drug levels over quite short periods of time, which neccessitates frequent dosing (which is annoying) but also, when you have a hugely fluctuating blood level, you experience a lot of dose dependant side effects during those short periods - which is why you get so bloated on dbol. then of course you have the obvious liver toxicity.

imo dbol is a poor choice for the heart of your cycle. imo it is far better used to jumpstart cycles using slower acting agents, and potentially, to wind a cycle up.

the other thing that i dont particularly like about dbol is that its easy to take - which isnt a bad thing of course - but newbies will gravitate towards it because of their reluctance to inject, and so you have a perfect storm of the least experienced, least educated, most ignorant users being subjected to the most wildly fluctuating changes in their body composition, creating confusion, drug myths, and also, an element of drug dependence, because as nelson rightly says, they tend to confuse water weight and pumps with actual gains of muscle tissue.

i think it benefits newbies to a far greater degree to use an injectible, endogenously occurring compound in the form of a low dose testosterone cycle. such a cycle is more likely to yield a predictable, understandable result for the newbie with minimum confusion, minimum side effects, and overall, a good outcome.

cheerios

 

[tinytim-nor]

yeah i was right!!!!!

About what?

 

[sensational]

Dbols effects on serum lipids should not be ignored.