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gUiLe

gUiLe

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I am posting because I have talked to the 4th person in the last
week (at the gym) who has NO IDEA OF WHAT THE FUCK HE IS
DOING! I can't believe there are so many people who just go by
what the buddy says. I was talking to my wifes, girlfriends, boyfriend (whew) the other night. He is going to be using GH,
Test, and Deca. He never heard of CLOMID! Noveldex??...nope.
This morning, while doing cardio, I am talking to this dude.
He's in REAL good shape (midget) and tells me he'll be doing
Deca/Test/Winny/D-bol soon. Hmm...sounds good to me. What
about anti-e's? Nope, never heard of them! What the fuck! Glad I
am not that ignorant. Imagine wasting money on GH, and not
having a clue about how/when to use it? Please, do your
research. If these idiot's don't listen to me, they will lose most/all
their gains. I almost feel like not telling anybody anything.
They all look at me like they think I'm making this shit up
or something. I think from now on I will just keep my mouth shut
and let them cry when they look at themselves and then at me
and wonder what the fuck they are doing wrong. I didn't start
anything but ALA and I am looking better then I did last summer
on a Primo/Deca cycle! Leaner and BIGGER!!
g
 
Yes, its pretty frightening but aside from the net where can all this info so easily be obtained? Even in todays society there are many many people who cant operate a computer.
 
Zyg- I hear you dude. I have even told people about this site
and they STILL are clueless. I got one idiot that says "Oh yeah,
what's that site again....E-LIGHT??? See what I'm saying? How
do you help people out like that!
g
 
i hear ya bro, there is this trainer at my gym who comes up to me and says real fucking loud "i am about to start my 5 wk cycle tomorrow!" i looked at him like stfu! after we walk towards the back he says that he has enough test to last 5 wks and he is running a-bombs with it, i then ask do you have any clomid? He says yeah my buddy has some but he says it is a waste of money...i told him bro....you need clomid and if i were you i would do the abombs only for 3-4wks and run the test a bit after thgen 2 wks later start clomid or you are gonna lose all yer gains...he then says naw..and walks away,,some people think they just know everything and a bit of sound advice insults their intelligence get over it:mad:
 
i say screw them!! less competition:D you surely dont want jacked mofo's in your area day in day out = more work for you

disclaimer-
do it for those you care about and close friends
 
I hear you guys. It is fucked up. People will do hours of research while deciding what type of TV to get. But will slam anything into their bodies without having a clue as to what they are doing. It is scary and stupid.
 
There are alot of ignorant people out there. Most of the people I've talk to think you always lose all of your gains after the a cycle.

Whats even sadder is their sources never heard nolvadex or clomid either and they are the ones giving out advice on AS.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think is the percentage of people juicin' that know about anti E's and post cycle therapy?
 
There are only a handful of people that are obvious juicers at my gym and I would have to say most of them can't even tell you what clomid is.....it's clear after you see people slowly loose their gains after a cycle. I asked 2 of my buds if they knew what clomid was (they both juiced years ago) and they have never heard of it!
 
wil is jakked said:
Just out of curiosity, what do you think is the percentage of people juicin' that know about anti E's and post cycle therapy?
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Low...VERY low. OT- I know a Will who is JACKED like a mofo
in my gym and he hangs in NYC more then NJ. Did you just buy
a bunch of ALA from a dude in your gym Will??
g
 
gUiLe said:


Low...VERY low. OT- I know a Will who is JACKED like a mofo
in my gym and he hangs in NYC more then NJ. Did you just buy
a bunch of ALA from a dude in your gym Will??
g
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LOL...nah...I get all of my ALA from vitamin shoppe...

120 300mg caps for 37.50...not bad:D
 
gUiLe said:
I am posting because I have talked to the 4th person in the last
week (at the gym) who has NO IDEA OF WHAT THE FUCK HE IS
DOING! I can't believe there are so many people who just go by
what the buddy says. I was talking to my wifes, girlfriends, boyfriend (whew) the other night. He is going to be using GH,
Test, and Deca. He never heard of CLOMID! Noveldex??...nope.
This morning, while doing cardio, I am talking to this dude.
He's in REAL good shape (midget) and tells me he'll be doing
Deca/Test/Winny/D-bol soon. Hmm...sounds good to me. What
about anti-e's? Nope, never heard of them! What the fuck! Glad I
am not that ignorant. Imagine wasting money on GH, and not
having a clue about how/when to use it? Please, do your
research. If these idiot's don't listen to me, they will lose most/all
their gains. I almost feel like not telling anybody anything.
They all look at me like they think I'm making this shit up
or something. I think from now on I will just keep my mouth shut
and let them cry when they look at themselves and then at me
and wonder what the fuck they are doing wrong. I didn't start
anything but ALA and I am looking better then I did last summer
on a Primo/Deca cycle! Leaner and BIGGER!!
g
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yea in my gym we got people melting fina pellets and drawing it up with a syringe injecting it..... nice infection coming....:rolleyes:
 
I have seen lots of shit like this. This guy told me this and this guy told me that. And they get most of their shit from some dude at the gym, that has been though 5 peoples hands and they pay 150 dollars for one ten ML bottle of test, sometimes more. and thats all they get for a cycle. No one even has a source for nolvadex, clomid, much less arrimidex. You ask one of them about clomid, they either tell you they can't get it, or the have no clue what it is. And they are the same people you see stuck in the perpetual yo-yo . they always go up, just to return to their old weight when they get off, and yet the sill continue to juice it up. It justs makes mr laugh, they are just pissing in the wind, and think they know better than anyone else. oh well...

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER
 
This isn't restricted to newbies either. There are a couple of guys that have been around the block SEVERAL times. I always knew they did cycles. They are upfront with me about it. But then just the other day, one of them said he was taking Deca and Winny. I asked if he ever had problems with Deca dick. "What's that?" he asked.
Then later I asked if he had some Clomid for post cycle. He never heard of it. Never heard of any anti-e's. I took a look at his "List" from his source. Everything was on there. Nolvadex, Clomid, Armidex. He said he never heard of them for good gains so he never ordered any. He is about 33 and this is about (I'm guessing) his 5th cycle. Never any anti-e or post cycle therapy. I asked if he ever had any signs of gyno. Again he asked "what's that?"
 
This isn't restricted to newbies either.
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Definatly not. Many people just get complacent in thier learning and they think they know it all. A true innovator is someone who doesnt "know it all", but "seeks to know it all". Obviously a goal that can never be obtained, but like the iron game its the journey and not the destination.

damn, that was profound :D hehe
 
its like jumping on the diving board without knowing how to swim,,you need to know that obstacles will get in yer way..why try to go around them when you can jump over em with knowledge about the obstacle
 
Zyglamail said:
Definatly not. Many people just get complacent in thier learning and they think they know it all. A true innovator is someone who doesnt "know it all", but "seeks to know it all". Obviously a goal that can never be obtained, but like the iron game its the journey and not the destination.

damn, that was profound :D hehe
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SHhhhhh.... All hail the mighty Zyg hath spoketh. We are all worthless grasshoppers. Enlighten us with your infinite wisdom!

LMAO!!!! :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:
 
The problem with me is, I can easily say "Fuck it" let them learn
the hard way. But, it's just not me. I like talking and feel like If
I can help somebody, why not. If I was getting a commission on
all the ALA I have helped sell, I would be looking at a big fat
check!! It's just because I love the shit and like to help out bro's.
The same shit goes for supplements. I see SO many IDIOT'S
pouring the ol eye-dropper full of liquid Creatine down there
throats before a workout. I then started a conversation with
this dude about it to explain to him that what he was using,
was USELESS. That and the fact that he has been on Hydroxycut
(I shutter) for like 8 months straight! Man, you should hear him
screaming in da gym when he's throwing up those 35lb dumbells:D Too many clowns in the gym these days.
g
 
Im more than willing to talk and share my knowledge and experience with those who ask but for the most part I just go, lift and mind my own business and people pretty mch steer clear of me.
 
I know a guy who is selling brovel prop to high school kids for two hundred bucks a bottle. He's way too risky. The kids blow and shrink all the time. Now he's selling them a-50's and halo. I told the ones I knew about to come to this site before they do too much damage. They never heard of clomid or nolva. I'm trying damage control but I want to keep a low profile I don't like people knowing shit about me...
 
That's pretty sad but the other night my buddy (yeah right) at
the gym ask's if I wanted the "extra" (extra my fuckin ass!)
bottle of Brovel nor200. Just for the fuck of it, I asked how much
and his reply......$200!! I was like "Wholly shit dude!" You actually
get people that buy it at that price?? He was like "I'm only making
like $30 on it, I swear". Pretty fucking sad!
g
 
sounds to me like you got one hell of a business oppurtunity...hehehe
in all seriousness though,they're everywhere aren't they...just the other day some guy at the gym approached me and asked me how did i get so big...?i stated CELLTECH was my key to success like all the other pros...he then seemed relieved and said:great,cause i hear steroids shrink your dick...lol
 
Survival of the Fitness ...

I found this board myself. I did my reasearch myself with help from the board. No one helped me “Look “for help
. I found it because I’m motivated. I think no one should do anyone’s work in this game. This is why everyone is not huge and cut.

I'm not going to give some guy in the gym advice and secrets that I took time to learn from the board or anywhere unless it's a very close friend or family member. Even then, at that point you don’t want to be responsible for someone’s health risk or lack of gains. The most is I would refer to this site. I just play stupid with people about everything from training to diet and using stuff.

If people really want to learn the secrets and loopholes then they should be motivated enough to find elite, or buy some books.

i say just leave these guys alone and play dumb. let them figure it out and learn.
 
I'm not in this game for long, but I did alot of research before putting anything in my body. I always have arimidex and clomid extra just in case. Anyways, one of my friend who is dying to get big comes to me and asks me about what he should do. I told him about a good nutrition, good lifting program and rest. The guy has great genetics to begin with. He had newbie results when he started training but it came to an end pretty quickly. The guy's nutrition is like 50 g. protein a day and the rest is pasta. He barely eats twice a day.

He invited me for a dinner at his house and told me he was beginning a cycle. I told him that if he didn't straighten his nutrition and training it will not do shit. The guy doesn't have alot of money and he freaked out when I told him he couldnt have a decent cycle below 300-400$ CAN, including clomid and all (he doesnt want to inject). He told me that his personnal trainer could get him 5mg winnies for a cycle. He could have tose pills for like 300$ CAN (200$ US) for 100. I told him that if he's going to use winny alone as a cycle, he will blow all of his pills in 10 days! He told me that his trainer said that 10-15 mg a day would be enough!!! I just couldnt believe this shit!

What can I do now? This guy has to learn by his mistakes.

Andre
 
when i started trying to find some new places to get gear about six months ago, a friend of a friend was going to help me out. my buddy said" this guy is the shit! he knows everything! he's been in the game for 20 years" so i meet this guy (very small gentlmen) and we start talking, the prices seem high but then again your talking gym prices so i say what the hell. i tell him what i'm interested in and he says "shouldn't be a problem at all". and as i'm walking away i turn and say " oh, shit.... hey man i need some anti-e's too. " he goes " huh?:" i said nolva, he said whew thats pretty hard to get. you should do ok w/o it!!!! i said clomid and also arimidex??? he said clomid is worthless you don't need it!!!!!! and what the hell is arimidex??? HOLY FUCKIN' DOG BALLS BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuck this asshole!! i said cancel that order!!!!!!!!!! an idiot like that don't get my business!! PERIOD!!!
 
yup noticing the trend here too.

I asked a co-worker what he does for after his cycle in hopes of finding a cheaper source for clomid hopefully, and he just stared at me blankly.

Then he goes "oh just use some Tribulus"... at least he's on the right track.

Then I found a cheap source for the shiz (no PM's) and offered him the shit, and he said naw I don't need it. He won't listen because he's been in the game longer than me.

ez.
 
I admit I was part of the "retard" group. I did abombs for a first cycle with durateston 250 with no anti-e's. I'm lucky I didn't get gyno or worse liver damage etc. But that was 8 years ago (no internet, etc.) Only thing I had was a little booklet "Everything you need to know about steroids." from Dan Duchaine (skinny prick), dumb fucker said just to eat ALOT.

Oh well.. learned by leaps n bounds here.
 
I am only 21 years old and I see guys that are in there 30's and 40's blow up and shrink all the time. Most of my friends that use AS don't have a clue about anti-e's or clomid. Some guys in the gym my age think I never go off because after my cycles I do not lose much besides water. The select few that I try to help out don't listen." Hey bro start your clomid 2 weeks after your last inject" I see them a few days later and they are asking me if they are taking the right amount of clomid. It seems like something that will always be there because guys are to damn lazy to educate themselves before sticking a needle in there ass.
 
A guy I know at my gym was going on a dbal only cycle and new it wasnt smart. I asked him if he was gonna take clomid. His response, "I just want to blow up for spring break, I dont care if i keep the gains."...

I guess ignorance is bliss....if only they knew what they are missing
 
Hey folks. So why is Clomid so important? Is it an Oral or an Injectable? I have a Nolvadex prescription from my Doctor that I used once, post cycle. Is Clomid essential to use & if so for how long?

I'm about to do 10mg of Thai Dbol a day with 200-300mg of Denkall Nandrolone Decanoate a week for 7 weeks. Would my cycle warrant using Nolvadex, Clomid, or both post cycle? Or is my dose too low to need post-cycle therapy?:confused:

I'm natural so far. 31yo. Training for 12 years. Any legitimate input is very much appreciated. Thanx alot.
 
And we wonder where anabolics get their bad name from, its these shitheads that go on tv with gyno bc they dont know what clomid or anti-e's are, or dont come off cycles right and lose everything and say roids are addictive and a waste.

venting
n
 
It is amazing, one of the trainers at my gym, (who is in excellent shape) is on all the time, but with no understanding of cycles or what the heck he is doing.

He will do test for two weeks than d-bols and winny, growth, what ever he can get his hands on he injects and has never used any anti-e’s, hcg or clomid.
 
Jabs said:
I know a guy who is selling brovel prop to high school kids for two hundred bucks a bottle. He's way too risky. The kids blow and shrink all the time. Now he's selling them a-50's and halo. I told the ones I knew about to come to this site before they do too much damage. They never heard of clomid or nolva. I'm trying damage control but I want to keep a low profile I don't like people knowing shit about me...
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I really think that this site is THE best resource for overall comprehensive knowledge/advice center for AAS. I have talked to people who have been in the game for a while, and I feel like I know more than them because I didn't just listen to my source for advice, I researched the hell out what I was putting in my body. I think it's a reflection on the "instant gratification" that 21st century america is used to: "I want to do gear...just give me some and tell me what to do." No work on their part, just the gratification and possibly damaging advice.
 
I can't even begin to count how many people i have talked to who were taking AS with ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE about what they were taking at all. Most were saying things like "my uddy says to take 3 amps a week for 10 weeks". They don't have a clue about dosing, concentrations, when to inject, how to inject, WHAT they are injecting....they just go ahead and do it.

Like the guy i talked to on friday that was doing a 3 week deca cycle....or the guy i talked to in the fall taking an amp of sust everyday because that's what his source told him to do.......source is trying to sell more juice......and kept doing that for 13 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was this guys first cycle and he was doing 1750mg of test a week for 13 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have stopped trying to help these people as when i tell them they are doing somehting wrong they would rather listen to the guy selling them something than the guy who is unbiased and not out ot make a buck.




You can't fix stupid
 
This is a great thread. First, it is nice to know that there are lots of knowledgable guys on the Board (myself included--LOL). second, it is nice to know that people can acquire the knowledge and the meds in a safe and honest fashion (under certain circumstances). Fortunately, no one dies from using AAS. The folks that "abuse" the meds will suffer gyno and permanent shutdown of the HPTA. The ones doing lots of orals will mess up their livers. The ones abusing thyroid meds will shut down their thyroids. If we wanted to save the world, we would join the Peace Corps. We can help each other, but we can't educate everybody.
 
FlexApr said:
Can someone who knows please enlighten me about the use of Clomid? Thanx Very much! :confused:
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bro...do yourself a favour and click on the search button on the top right of your screen...type in clomid faq's or something close to that...there's a great thread from the iron game...w/ all kinds of info...it'll save you from waiting on peeps...---fyi
 
You are right bro's. I hooked this buddy of mine up with some gear. He lives on the other side of the country(yes thats only a 2 hrs drive in Holland)

I gave him 15 zambons for the last 5 weeks of his cycle..He injected 3 cc's every wednesday!!!

Because some dude at the gym told him so!!

Unbelievable:)

D.W.
 
My source never heard of arimidex and when I asked him about Nolvs he told me the only thing they are good for is cutting out 20% of your gains. I gave him the :goof: , I dont even bother talking to people about it, they just dismiss what I have to say anyway.
 
Personally I find it more disturbing that many juicers cannot perform basic exercises correctly or compose a routine that allows them to gain mass naturally. I can honestly say that in the past few years I've seen only 2 lifters able to execute the deadlift properly. In regards to squating it's slightly better but not by much - heels comming up and other big flaws. Powercleans...forget it.

Lifting is the underlying core long before drugs.

I continue to doubt the majority about their lifting despite the proverbial assurance offered at the end of 'every build me a cycle' post:

"oh yeah, diet and training are good."

Yeah right, that's why you're 5'10", 170lbs., with "2 years of solid training". More times than not: hardgainer = incompetence/ignorance.
 
yea it is pretty amazing what people do. i know a guy that told me was on a cycle. i asked him what and how much. he said deca, 1 shot a week. he had no clue what brand it was, how many mg it was, nor did he have any clue what clomid was.
 
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