Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Okay my experience with Juice so far is very mentally stressful. Okay I started a 8 week cycle 10 weeks ago. I was doing 250mg a week for weeks 1 - 4 from weeks 5 - 8 500mg. My gains, were terrible, infact I didn't gain a thing. Diet was okay, training for very intense, rest was ok. Strength didn't even go up. I was using 1 inch 25gauge in the glutes. So in an attempt to figure out was the hell was wrong, someone told me that 1 inch wasn't enough for glutes and that I wasted the shit. Okay So I started again, this time I purchased more Russian Sust. Same lot number all legit (from what more then one person told me #22259). So I started shooting into the quads. I am 1 1/2 in, what should I do, another 8 weeks? Should I wait to the week 3 or 4 point to see if this shit is real? What the hell do I do? Please help.
I am buggin out
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In my experience, it depends in part on how well you did everything else (i.e. diet, training, rest), in part on how good your genetics are (those with good pre-disposition to gaining muscle respond very well to gear, those with poor pre-disposition don't respond nearly as well and tend to gain mainly water weight), and in part, and most significantly, on if the stuff was real or not. If you've got decent genetics it sounds to me like you were shootin' up some "peanut oil". On pin length, I've always used 1 1/2' in glutes, and also always heard 1' was too short. Others on the board should weigh in on this matter, I don't know if 1' will render the sauce completely ineffectual or not. My advice at this point would be NOT to buy the same stuff. Get something else you know is real. Maybe have your levels checked and run when your ready.
Well I tell you what. If I just went 10 weeks with no gains I sure wouldn't be buying the same sust I had bought the first time.
I'd get some new shit. It's likely they were fakes.
1" in the glutes wouldn't render it ineffective. You'd just get a big knot each time you injected. 1-1/2" is preferred in the glutes so it doesn't knot up. Use the 1" in your quads.
I'd get some new shit. It's likely they were fakes.
1" in the glutes wouldn't render it ineffective. You'd just get a big knot each time you injected. 1-1/2" is preferred in the glutes so it doesn't knot up. Use the 1" in your quads.
lawnsaver
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I have always used 1 inchers in my glute and had no problems.
You might have bad genetics, you might have gotten bunk gear, you might not have been eating enough.
I would take a break from gear for 2 months. Start drinking 2-3 shakes ED on top of your food intake. Add 10 grams of creatine and 20 grams of glutamine ED. Adding the extra protien and supps to your daily routine will let you know the problem.
If you dont make any progress with those supps and extra protien you have terrible genetics. If you make progress you know that either you werent eating enough or you had bunk gear.
You might have bad genetics, you might have gotten bunk gear, you might not have been eating enough.
I would take a break from gear for 2 months. Start drinking 2-3 shakes ED on top of your food intake. Add 10 grams of creatine and 20 grams of glutamine ED. Adding the extra protien and supps to your daily routine will let you know the problem.
If you dont make any progress with those supps and extra protien you have terrible genetics. If you make progress you know that either you werent eating enough or you had bunk gear.
The pin length will not render the gear ineffective, but the deeper it goes into the muscle the better. That does not sound like your problem, to me it sounds like your diet sucks or you have fake gear. Are you getting any of the negative side effects? Acne? Body hair growth? hairloss? shrunken testicles? If you are getting these then its probably your diet. I would advise you keep a dietary log of all food intake for the next week, everything, and break it down by macronutrients and you will know.
hypershriek
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jip I hope you are avin a laugh, bacon fat in oj!!!! Oh come on!
Don't post on any thread that I am on!jip said:
OK, why is deeper better? Are you telling me that vascularity is better deeper in the muscle? That doesn't seem to make sense. That would mean the top layers of muscle wouldn't be getting as much blood supply as the inner layers. The outer layers of "blood poor" muscle would die.The Terminator said:
I do all my injections with a 27 gauge 1/2" needle. Glutes, quads, delts. Your skin is only about 3 mm thick. Unless you have one hell of a fat layer, 1/2" is sufficient to get into the muscle. I'm having great results thus far on my fina cycle. Strength is up and mass is up about 10lbs. I am supposed to add in test prop next week but don't know if I will.
-Spidey
Spidey said:
1/2"?!?
gbus dewd, I thought the pain was bad enough injecting sust/decca with a 1" in the glutes. My glutes were thanking me when I switched to 1-1/2". I couldn't imagine 1/2".BTW, how's that Tren flowing through the 27gauge? I may get some of those for the delts for my tren/prop/winny cycle.
Am I missing something here? How is a 1/2" needle more painful than a 1" needle?mvmaxx said:
1/2"?!?
BTW, how's that Tren flowing through the 27gauge? I may get some of those for the delts for my tren/prop/winny cycle.
The fina flows just fine through the 27 gauge. Just use the 1 ml tuberculin syringe and go slow and steady. I have to fill it up with a larger diameter though. I draw with a 21 gauge and then change pins to the 27. I just bought some 25 gauge 5/8" needles but don't have them yet. I hope that's big enough to allow me to draw and shoot with the same pin.
-Spidey
Spidey said:
I didn't mean the gauge or even the entry that hurts more. I'm talking about the pain I got from the sust sitting 1" in my glutes compared to the painless injections with 1-1/2". It was a huge difference for me. That's why I say I couldn't imagine 1/2".
Good info thanx.
OK. I get it now.mvmaxx said:
Maybe there are fewer nerves deeper in or something (just a guess of course). Maybe I should try that if and when I start the test prop. I hear that hurts like a mofo. Do you go all the way in with that 1 1/2" needle or do you stop with 1/8" steel showing (talking glutes here)?-Spidey
Spidey said:OK. I get it now.
-Spidey
I go all the way with the 1-1/2" in the glutes. And I also inject very slowly. I even tried pushing in even more with the 1" but it would still knot up really bad. It hurt everytime I sat down. 1-1/2" I couldn't even remember which glute I hit. It's weird.
BTW, in regards to the test prop try Viromone. I hear it's painless. I'll be able to tell you in a few short days.
BTW, karma 4 u for your anti-e post as well as this. Even though you're now scaring the shit out of me on the anti-e thing.
I'm going to be running Aromasin this cycle @ 1tab/ED.Thanks for the karma Don't mean to scare people. I just think that a lot of people don't really take everything into consideration when they are thinking about choosing their cycles. Do you know that you are prone to gyno? If not, I would seriously consider holding off on the Aromasin unless you start to have problems. Why risk damage to avoid a little water gain that will go away on its own after cycle anyway.
-Spidey
Don't mean to scare people. I just think that a lot of people don't really take everything into consideration when they are thinking about choosing their cycles. Do you know that you are prone to gyno? If not, I would seriously consider holding off on the Aromasin unless you start to have problems. Why risk damage to avoid a little water gain that will go away on its own after cycle anyway.-Spidey
Spidey - because "I am" prone and I know it. 
That's why, otherwise you're right I probably wouldn't. I had adolescent gyno (very small) and it started to get worse from dbol during week 3 of a sust/decca/dbol cycle. And that was while on 1mg of Liquidex ED. I started 40mg of Nolvadex ED and quit the dbol and it got better. So I'm taking every precaution I can this go around.
That's why, otherwise you're right I probably wouldn't. I had adolescent gyno (very small) and it started to get worse from dbol during week 3 of a sust/decca/dbol cycle. And that was while on 1mg of Liquidex ED. I started 40mg of Nolvadex ED and quit the dbol and it got better. So I'm taking every precaution I can this go around.Johng: Even if your stuff was bunk, you should have gained some scale pounds if you were eating to grow. Albeit fat because of excess. Are you sure your diet was a least close?
I am not a vet, but I would find someone to brew a new cycle for you. I think the ramp up is old school and your blood levels would be low on 250 a week, maybe even detrimental if your shut down but not enough to grow, essentially doing nothing.
I am not a vet, but I would find someone to brew a new cycle for you. I think the ramp up is old school and your blood levels would be low on 250 a week, maybe even detrimental if your shut down but not enough to grow, essentially doing nothing.
What I meant was that deeper in causes less lumps or swelling, as Mvmaxx has already pointed out. I know that I tried a 1" in the glute once and it gave me a freakin charlie horse, glutes always got 1 1/2" after that incident. I don't see that it would make the gear itself more or less effective at all but when you get one of those lumps you'll know what I mean.Spidey said:
I'm going to have to try the 1&1/2" 27 gauge in the glute. Maybe you guys are on to something. I haven't had a real bad pain in the ass yet but my first quad injections damn near crippled me
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Victorian guy
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1 inch 23 gauge...no problems
I don't see why a 1 inch needle length would render injected gear ineffective- 1 inch, unless you are very fat, should reach into muscle tissue, especially in the quads. I use 1 inch for glute injections, upper outer quadrant, and I occasionally get a knot, but maybe one in 5 injections, and I get knots only when doing large volume (5cc) injections. Whether or not it is deep in the muscle, or not so deep but still in muscle tissue- don't see why the gear would be more, or less, effective either way.
I don't see why a 1 inch needle length would render injected gear ineffective- 1 inch, unless you are very fat, should reach into muscle tissue, especially in the quads. I use 1 inch for glute injections, upper outer quadrant, and I occasionally get a knot, but maybe one in 5 injections, and I get knots only when doing large volume (5cc) injections. Whether or not it is deep in the muscle, or not so deep but still in muscle tissue- don't see why the gear would be more, or less, effective either way.
Nutri-Wrestler
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i use a 25g 1" pin for my ass. im pretty lean though
RussianBro
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I didn't have as much success with Sust as I had with Omna... Was it fake? I don't think so... One part of Sust came from Russia, one from Canada. so, there couldn't be mistake. But I could "feel" Omna working where as Sust I didn't feel much shit at all...
Just my .02
I know I should have listened JC21 and should have went ahead with Cyp, but oh well... I will definitely run Cyp next time...
Hope it helps...
Just my .02
I know I should have listened JC21 and should have went ahead with Cyp, but oh well... I will definitely run Cyp next time...
Hope it helps...
Diet..
Well I have been shooting in the quads for the past week and half. I notice more body hair growth for sure, I am up at 197lbs up about 5 or so pounds. I also started the creatine, so that could be increase in water weight. I am definately holding a bit more of water. My question, even if the diet is shit, wouldn't my strength and everything else go up. My testicles are slightly smaller. How small would they get? Would it be like holy shit where did they go?
Well I have been shooting in the quads for the past week and half. I notice more body hair growth for sure, I am up at 197lbs up about 5 or so pounds. I also started the creatine, so that could be increase in water weight. I am definately holding a bit more of water. My question, even if the diet is shit, wouldn't my strength and everything else go up. My testicles are slightly smaller. How small would they get? Would it be like holy shit where did they go?
I actually have pics of them.
Here are the pics.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/gallery.php?action=folder&sortby=&userid=14813
Here are the pics.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/gallery.php?action=folder&sortby=&userid=14813
