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fallingeggs
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i am with mm107... i love the 5x5. i do not do any iso work anymore and my lifts are moving up faster then ever.
BiggT
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Bretmj1 said:Alright, another question then. Will this contribute to lean muscle mass in all places that isolation work would? If you could explain that would be wonderful!
Bret
Weight training and progressively getting stronger provides a stimulus for growth, it gives your muscles a reason to get bigger......how 'lean' you are depends on diet, and genetics.....but if you're concerned about looking like a 'fat powerlifter' lol, don't worry, bench bellies are made in the kitchen, not the weightroom.
More directly related to your question, at the end of the week you can add in 3 sets for biceps and triceps to isolate them a little bit, but the body grows wonderfully through improving compound lifts in a non neural rep range (basically anything 4 reps or higher).....your body will not blow up too much out of proportion, if you want big arms, you are going to have to get bigger......this is why the Abercrombie kids who do nothing but curls and iso garbage do not grow at all, if the reverse were true they would be sporting 20" arms on their 150lb geek bodies.
Honestly, man, all I can say is give it a shot....MM107 and SgtSlaughter are 2 up and coming studs, check out their journals as they are making incredible gains in a short period after recently starting the classic '5x5' workout.
I have a journal on here.....it is a little different than the classic routine, but you can see the underlying principles of progression on big lifts......also, don't take this the wrong way, I am NOT doing this to be an ass and gain approval, lol, I am doing it to prove a point, you seem on the fence and I want you to give this type of training an honest try and see it through without freaking out and ruining everything with excess iso-crap.....look through my journal, between my current one and the old one (which is linked on the first post) it dates back to about early-April, look how much I isolate biceps, maybe curls or hammer curls for 3-5 sets once a week IF that, I will post a biceps shot, I am not Ronnie Coleman or anything, but I have never had anybody accuse me of needing more direct arm work.......
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f...ent=Summer06005.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
BiggT
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6541798#post6541798
theres my log........for a routine, go to the sticky at the top of the training board, check out the link for Madcow2's geocities site.....then ask any questions you may have, it is just impossible to address everything in a post, it's easier if you read through, grasp the obvious stuff, then ask any questions if you are unsure of anything.
theres my log........for a routine, go to the sticky at the top of the training board, check out the link for Madcow2's geocities site.....then ask any questions you may have, it is just impossible to address everything in a post, it's easier if you read through, grasp the obvious stuff, then ask any questions if you are unsure of anything.
thewanderer690
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BiggT said:
i can't gain size unless i add strength to my big lifts. I usually do a really heavy single or double at the end of my sets. Some people don't like singles and doubles but it really works for me. Plus i think arnold said in his book he liked doing really heavy singles.
I think there's a recipricol relationship, though. Added mass will support further strength gains as well. That's when you have to give the cookie cutter a break and decide how much repetition work will help you reach your goals faster. Of course biggt's example skews the picture toward the exceptionally gifted but he practices what he preaches. Others wont find the situation so well defined.
Bretmj1
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I was chatting with a friend the other day about Starr 5x5 and I guess it made me question a bit on how exactly those core workouts work all the necessary muscles to make you one sexy beast. What about lower back, and calves, and traps, delts? Dont those need to be worked separately?
SgtSlaughter
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I'll hit everything you asked:Bretmj1 said:
Deadlifts, Rowing: will hit lower back (spinal erectors) ... if you don't notice it you're doing them wrong.
Squats & Increased Body weight: will make calves larger
Traps and delts: Rowing and Benching
they're called "accessorie" muscles... pick up a bottle of water, using your bicep to bring it to your mouth.. but your Front Deltiod makes the lift possible...
Again, it's a change of pace from the "norm." ... you don't have to train like this and i'm not here to "SELL" you. just trying to educate you.
Sexy Beast = Diet on POINT.
Training will just bring out ...initially how ever your genetics are programmed to make you grow... then you tweak once you put on a good amount of muscle to put more muscle where you want it.
SgtSlaughter
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^^^ Did you miss this??BiggT said:
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