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Yo,

What do you guys think about this 191 vs 192 amino acid growth hormone make up theory? I've heard that the serostim (sp?) kits are the way to go for body builders due to their 191 amino acid make up, supposably better for building mass and reducing body fat.

Also, anyone know if IP HGH is 191 or 192? Anyone try IP HGH with good results? If so, at what doses?

Thanks in advance :fro:
 
Nor Cal, Sacto area :)

I've read some of iron's posts. I think he recomends the serostim kits, too. I'd really like to hear people's individual results using IP HGH.
 
The jury still seems to be out on I.P.`s gh, but I do know from experience the serostim kits are excellant for both bulking with insulin added, and cutting for a show.
 
IP carries real Gh from china. He doesnt make it. The gh from china is said by pros to be the best out there.
 
lawnsaver said:
IP carries real Gh from china. He doesnt make it. The gh from china is said by pros to be the best out there.
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Damn, its such a big chunk of cash for a poor mofo like me. I just want the best bang for my buck. The kits don't have to be refrigerated, do they?
 
M.O.D said:
the serostim kits dont have to be refrigerated until you mix the bottles
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I've heard the same about IP kits. Anyone have pics?
 
i dont know about the china GH bro but i do know they dont like us....you still want to inject some?:confused: :mix: :D
 
Chinabase GH must be kept cold at all times, even before reconstitution, which makes it a crap shoot as to whether it will work or not.
IP ships in a coldpack, express - requires a signature.....
A fine brother on the board here received his warm....he got small infections all around his waist at the injecton sites. To the source's credit, he offered to re-ship, but meanwhile this bro is in mid-cycle without a key ingredient.
This would likely mean that the Chinese GH is research grade, not human grade......or is not refined to the extent the Swiss product is. It wouldn't matter, if one was assured of the handling of the product prior to reciept.....but how do you do that? If it's held up in customs for days, in the summer, it's gonna be warm. To be fair, I have talked to vets who were satisfied with the Chinabase. (blue tops only. no reports on the other colors as yet)
Just too many "ifs" for me. Even CB isn't cheap. For my money, you can't go wrong with the Serono product....it's the industry leader, does not require refrigeration prior to handling, you can call a hotline to check your lot #, and it just plain works everytime. Yes, it costs more......but when I'm running a 3000 dollar cycle, I damn well want to be sure to get the correct results!
Hey, the fuckin Swiss do things right.

How are you, Solid.....drop me a line sometime with a cycle update.
 
Good post iron master. I have been using the maroon tops straight from the company and am pleased with them. About the infections, I am not so sure that they are infections. I was skeptikle in the begining also b/c I was getting soar(not really getting red bumps or anything). But after 3 weeks or so, I stopped getting soar. I have used serostim in past and cant really tell the difference between the two except the price. Results are great so far. One more thing, I am using bactriostatic water with the maroon tops instead of the sterile water provided. I dont know for sure if it makes a difference.
 
ironmaster

are you using the bactriostatic water with your serostim?....i bought a bottle and that is what im using since im stretching one bottle over several days
 
Yes, but I have used the kit bottles also with no problem. Better safe than sorry, probably.

Thanks for the info, clune. I would not find the soreness satisfactory, personally, but it's good to get a personal report on efficacy....knowledge is our goal here.
Do you mean site soreness, or joint soreness? Just curious, what did you pay for the maroons?
 
only side affect i notice from the GH is my hands seem a bit stiff...other than that i LOVE the stuff...when i travel i pack it with blue ice pack in a small cooler...never been question by the airport security yet..but i have a srcip so they can bite me:mix:
 
ironmaster, the soreness was site soreness but it was not unbearable. Like I said, it went away after a while. I Paid $3 an IU. As you can see that I am more than willing to be a ginni pig for that price:D
 
Sorry that I am posting this here, but I have a question for ironmaster. Since you know the cycles that I will be doing, do you think I should stay on some sort of test year round or just cycle.
 
Hi TD. You know you are asking this of a guy who hasn't been "off" in 4 years. I would never recommmend that others do this, especially younger guys who will need the soldiers later.
You are a little different, being a competitor with real potential. You might want to bridge with anavar, insulin and GH. These will not prevent your axis recovery, but will allow you to keep mass and cuts. Not cheap, tho.
Realistically, to compete at the level you are aiming for.........well you know my opinion.
 
Sounds good. I just dont want screw my chances of having children in the future. I say this and my wife maybe pregnant as we speak.
 
Congratulatons, TD........I have 5 sons, so something must still be working. Oldest three are already ironheads.
 
ironmaster said:
This would likely mean that the Chinese GH is research grade, not human grade......or is not refined to the extent the Swiss product is.
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I didn't know they still made HGH? I thought they stopped taking it from Humans a long time ago, so its just GH now. What have I been missing? Is the Swiss stuff Human grade? If so, where do they get it from, avalanche victims?
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Chewy, you are a rascal.
Thats why I don't say HGH anymore about any of it. Human grade means suitable in purity for medical treatment purposes. A less refined form, with a higher concentration of bacteria and cellular impurities than allowed by international standards would be research grade, suitable for animal studies.
Come to think of it, that's probably just right for you, Chewy.
Of course, Chewy knows all this.....he likes to stir the kettle.
Back in the day, HGH was extracted from the pituitary gland of human cadavars.....took some nuts to use that stuff, I'll tell you. Hmmmm, avalanche victims.....well, it would be refrigerated properly....
 
Back in the day, HGH was extracted from the pituitary gland of human cadavars>>>>


ironmaster i think that is what killed lyle alzado
 
Getting back to this topic....would you recommend me using slin for the first 5 or 6 weeks with my next cycle with dbol. I wish I could afford gh right now to stack with it but that isnt possible. Did I even show you what my cycle was going to be...that is the one that I am about to start??
 
Sorry I dropped off the thread last night, TD.... Yes, I think that would be a good thing. The first time I used insulin in a steroid cycle I gained an additional 8 pounds over my usual results with that particular cycle. This surprised me because, after all these years, I'm pretty much at my max genetic potential. These were "keeper' pounds also.
Since humalog has become available, insulin is so easy to use.....its great. R is easy, also.
Insulin is very synergistic with oral steroids.....do it!
You will generally get bigger and stay bigger if you work in some insulin throughout the year. Add in the GH, and its showtime.
 
hey ironmaster i know you said you have 5 kids...are any of the girls?..if so i bet the guys freak when they come to meet the dad..LMAO


i promise to have her home right on time...LOL
 
Iron,

What about this 191 vs 192 amino acid stuff? Any truth to it?
 
Well, yes, there is, BJ. Human growth hormone (GH, Mr ~22 kDa) is a single polypeptide chain consisting of 191 amino acid residues and contains two intrachain disulfide bonds.
I'm a fan of Sero for this reason among others I've already stated.
 
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Hey bro! How high should go on the gh in my cutting cycle? Also in my next cycle, Should I work my way up to 10ius twice a day or just once. Im starting my cycle next week. Im getting really anxious because it will be the first time I run 1 gram of test with slin and dbol.
 
Td, as high as the wallet will allow......seriously, try 4.5 iu the first 4 weeks, 6iu the second 4 weeks, and if you are not cut up enough and have pleny of cash, go 9iu the last 4 weeks....Gh, that is.
On the insulin, start with the post workout injection and work it up to 10 iu. Then begin an AM injection working up in the same fashion. 20iu a day, plus lots of dbol and test will make TD a big lad.....definitely not a cutting program, though.

Lawnsaver......man among boys, how are you? If you have the 126iu Serono kit (7 vials compound and 7 vials water), you mix one ml/cc water per vial of compound. Bacteriostatic water is best if you can get it. One ml yields 18iu reconstituted GH. So the conversion to insulin iu's is easy. 25iu on the insulin dart = 4.5 iu GH, or .25cc.
 
ironmaster..

using GH and insulin what would be the ideal dose for more of a cutting cycle?

im doing 4iu gh
and as you know just started the slin...at my age i have to worry about putting on fat..i am following your guidelines to a T on using the slin
 
Iron, I though 2ius = 22ius on the point?

I suck at math how many ius on the point would equal 2iu of gh?

I'm taking 2ius ed 5 on 2 off, should I split the dose or take all at once? Thanks
 
Lawnsaver, we have already discussed this by email, but it is important.......insulin iu's are different than GH iu's. The serostim kit makes 18 GH iu per 1ml water. The conversion to an insulin dart is .25 ml = 4.5 GHiu's. So 22iu's on the insulin syringe would be closer to 4iu GH. I.E., 25insulin iu = 4.5 GH iu (serostim kit only, they are all different).
To accomplish what you want, use about 11 insulin iu's to equal 2 GHiu's. If you split the dose, 5.5 each.
 
Iron, why would china base need to be kept cold while the serostims don't? They are both powder in a vial, correct?
 
It's a processing issue. The Swiss/American companies are probably 5 years ahead of the Chinese in this science. All GH used to be this way, but due to advances in the refinement process, the Swiss products are more stable and are safe at room temp. They are preparing to release a GH nasal spray, for people who are shy about needles.
It really wouldn't bother me, if I was sure the CB had been kept cold......hell I've used the cadaver extract and lived to tell about it.
To be fair, as I said, I have a friend who was satisfied with his blue top chinabase, although he said he didn't get much out of it. It was his first time, and he is old enough to get good results. Another fellow here on the board got infections from marroon tops - said it came warm. This tell me the bacteria count is high, maybe research grade, like I already said.
Believe me, I want it to be good....more competition means better prices for us.......I just need to hear more good reports.
BTW, I don't friggin like anything coming through customs these days......lost 2 parcels recently....I sure don't want my expensive GH snagged.
 
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