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Huckster's cutting cycle results...

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Hey guys,just wanted to share my results of a cutting stack I have been running that is centered around A2/estrogen suppression.I recently completed a pretty high-dose run of test/eq/d-bol,and while I put some serious size on with this trio,I made a cardinal mistake-My estrogen management program was piss-poor(I used nolvadex only).Not only did I bloat up like a hot air baloon,but I accumulated a shit-load of estrogenically related fat-patterning all around my waist,lower chest and hip area.
After clomid therapy,I decide to wage war on my A2's/estrogen.I started running 1/4 cc(1mg) daily of liquidex religiously,which had an immediate impact on my bloating and hardened my muscles up nearly overnight.But those stubborn fat pockets were holding on for dear life-HARD CORE DIET TIME.
Three + weeks ago,I started running a Norephedrine/Yohimbine HCL/Caffeine(NYC) stack in conjunction with my liquidex,and the results have been nothing short of astounding.I have been running a keto-type diet with very low carb intake,as well as 1 hour of intense cardio every morning on an empty stomach(except for 2 tabs of NYC taken 45 minutes prior to cardio).

Results?17LBS LOST!!

Granted,I know that this is not all fat,but I have lost damn near 2 inches off my waist and only a 1/4" off my arms,and strength has pretty much stayed stagnant.

Observations-When I first started taking my NYC,I tried taking two caps at once,and this was a little to strong to begin with for me(as each cap has a whopping 2.7mgs of Yohimbine HCL).I started getting the chills from the yohimbine and feeling a little nauseated,so I backed it down to one tab and I was fine.I also noticed if I did not drink enough water with administration,I would experience some stomach irritation,mainly in the form of acid reflux.This was easily extinguished by drinking a FULL glass of water with each dosage.After a week of so,I was able to tolerate 2 tabs at once,and boy it has made a difference.During my cardio,my body heats up like a furnace,and I can literally feel the adipose tissue melting off with each session.My schedule right now is two tabs first thing in the morning upon wakening prior to cardio,two tabs 4 hours later,and 1 tab 3-1/2 hours later.I find that I take the last cap too late into the afternoon,I feel too amped in the evening(my heart rate feels sped up)so I usually cut the last tab off by no later than 2p.m.

Just wanted to share my experience with you guys on what I feel is one of the best post-cycle combinations I have ever tried for ripping up,the liquidex has kept my estrogen production down and hardened my muscles up considerably(through removal of sub-Q water retention and estrogenic fat-patterning),the NYC trio is one of the most potent thermogens for an OTC I have ever used,as well as a potent A2 interactor(due to the high dose of Yohimbine) This combo may be a very wise idea for you folks that accumulate a lot of estrogen related BF in your bulking cycles,as it has taken it off for me in dramatic fashion.

BTW,only gear being used is a very light dosage of primobolan(200mgs/week) for anti-catabolism/muscle wasting protection.
 
That's great huck. I'm glad you posted this cause I'm finishing the EXACT same cycle as you described. I also packed on alot of estrogenic fat around my nips and lower abs/waist.

Question: Do you think your diet and cardio is more instrumental on your estrogenic fat loss, or would you attribute it more to the properties of yohimbine?

Great work bro. Packing on the weight is easy, but taking it off is a real trial.:)
 
good stuff huck, good stuff. i'm currently dieting for spring break and also doing keto with a carb-up once per week. leaving in 3 weeks but already brick-solid right now
 
I've been accumulating some extrogenic fat around my nip (only one of them, I had gyno removed from the other one a month ago). It isn't gyno like i had in the other one, it's just soft tissue. I was thinking of some intensive clomid therapy as an affordable way to begin combatting this. Anyone have any input on my idea? Is it stupid. I'm also prepared to purchase some liquidex if that doesn't do that trick. Thanks for any input. Nice job Huck...keep training hard.
 
I won't kid you,I am a VERY hard-core dieter,I have to be,as I am a lifetime endomorph.My body naturally covets adipose.But I have discovered that one of the MAJOR influencing mechanisms of this adipose storage for me is estrogen.I have always been leaner when I use an anti-aromitase.

The NYC stack I purchased from my buddy Ulter at anabolicfitness.net.

Ephedrine can be substituted for norephedrine,but I would highly recommend tossing in some Yohimbine HCL to the mix,as this seems to make the combo much more potent due to it's activity in A2 receptors(which make you hold on to those STUBBORN fat pockets).
 
lipo kinetix is an NYC stack, if you can find it.... with the little added bonus of usnic acid...

Great results Huck, bro.. ;) :) :D

YUM
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
I won't kid you,I am a VERY hard-core dieter,I have to be,as I am a lifetime endomorph.My body naturally covets adipose.But I have discovered that one of the MAJOR influencing mechanisms of this adipose storage for me is estrogen.I have always been leaner when I use an anti-aromitase.

The NYC stack I purchased from my buddy Ulter at anabolicfitness.net.

Ephedrine can be substituted for norephedrine,but I would highly recommend tossing in some Yohimbine HCL to the mix,as this seems to make the combo much more potent due to it's activity in A2 receptors(which make you hold on to those STUBBORN fat pockets).
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Endomorph? With todays technology there is no such
thing...... :)

The FAT DESTROYER STACK

DNP(200mgs/day)(Powder)
Yohimburn: 2 Pippettes/day(150mg/day)
Ephedrine(or NYCA): 100-150mgs/day Eph alkaloids.
Arimidex: 1mg/day
Redux/Pondimin: 120mg/day at night
(Optional: GHB+Bromo at night to get to sleep)
(Optional: Capoten at 100mgs/day+Reduce
Yohimburn dosage to 1 pipette/day)
Crazy option: Run PGF2A if you're nuts enough...hehe)


If I put on 6lbs of fat because of poor eating habits(happens
on vacations. esp. christmas.......LOL)

Run that for 2 weeks and bye bye fat.

Still.....have to say good job Huck. Dieting is more about will-power
than anything else.

Fonz
 
Huck, I'm an endomorph as well, and I love the NYC stack, really amazing.

I'm running a T3/Clen/Ritalin cycle soon. No gear, but I won't go over 50mcg of T3 Daily.

I've been thinking of using Liquidex, but I've heard mixed reviews about it's effectiveness as a fat burner.

Through research, I've found out that it can be used to make the skin thinner, accentuation muscle seperation, and giving you a leaner look.

This usually takes more time, up to 12 weeks of use. What do you think of using liquidex to make skin thinner?
 
Huck-

Great job, you should be proud. But 1 quick question=

I, like you and a lifelong endomorph and am scared that I am going to put on too much fat and water on my upcoming FINA-PROP-ANAVAR-Superclen cycle. I was going to use Novla to fight the gyno, but wondered if I should also throw in some aramidex too. I going to keep a strict diet and am going to religous with my cardio... do you think I will be okay without the aramidex?

Thanks.

wc.
 
I've been preaching adipokinetix since the first week i took it... it's strange. You can feel it working... and yes it comes with side... in fact i stopped because of the sides, of course i was taking 2 caps a day 3 times... but hey, i am a fat guy...

and fonz that stack you mentioned scared 3 lbs off me by looking at it :)
 
Fonz-

What is in Redux? Is the Chinese version any good? Is it catabolic? Is it more/less worthwhile than NYC or ECA?

I have been curious about it for a while.

thank,

wc.
 
Big Andy69,you are exactly right.Read those 'Dirty dieting' newsletters by Dan Duchaine at the top of the page,he touches on estrogen's skin-thickening activities and how anti-aromitase's reverse this condition.

Wildcat-Nolvadex is a SERM(selective estrogen receptor modulator).This means that it does nothing to stop the formation and production of estrogen,rather it blocks estrogen from binding to certain tissues,but it also ACTS ESTROGENICALLY itself in others.It would be a much wiser idea to kill estrogen CREATION at it root,by inhibiting the enzyme responsible,aromitase.
 
Great post. I've been following your posts more carefully lately since I found out you were a fellow endomorph.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Big Andy69,you are exactly right.Read those 'Dirty dieting' newsletters by Dan Duchaine at the top of the page,he touches on estrogen's skin-thickening activities and how anti-aromitase's reverse this condition.
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Thanks, I'll check out that Newsletter.
 
wildcat said:
Fonz-

What is in Redux? Is the Chinese version any good? Is it catabolic? Is it more/less worthwhile than NYC or ECA?

I have been curious about it for a while.

thank,

wc.
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Redux/Pondimin is an absolute GOD-SEND.
It is probably one of the main drugs that keeps
me lean.
Its a CNS depressant(a downer) BUT its also
a GREAT ANORECTIC!!!
It will demolish hunger at night while letting you
sleep.

Most people can easily get throught the day with
a stimulant/anorectic, but at night is when hunger
really SETS in. I'm willing to bet that at least 50-60%
of diets fail because of hunger panngs at night
which lead to over-eating.

Btw, Redux/pondimin is the only drug in EXISTENCE
that can do this.

I really don't understand why more people don't use this
drug as androgenic AAS have a tendency to cause
insomnia.
i.e. Tren/test/dball and winstrol/Anavar

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Endomorph? With todays technology there is no such
thing...... :)

The FAT DESTROYER STACK

DNP(200mgs/day)(Powder)
Yohimburn: 2 Pippettes/day(150mg/day)
Ephedrine(or NYCA): 100-150mgs/day Eph alkaloids.
Arimidex: 1mg/day
Redux/Pondimin: 120mg/day at night
(Optional: GHB+Bromo at night to get to sleep)
(Optional: Capoten at 100mgs/day+Reduce
Yohimburn dosage to 1 pipette/day)
Crazy option: Run PGF2A if you're nuts enough...hehe)


If I put on 6lbs of fat because of poor eating habits(happens
on vacations. esp. christmas.......LOL)

Run that for 2 weeks and bye bye fat.

Still.....have to say good job Huck. Dieting is more about will-power
than anything else.

Fonz
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I just lowered my BF just by reading that. Thanx for sharing your cycles guys.

IB
 
Fonz said:


Endomorph? With todays technology there is no such
thing...... :)

The FAT DESTROYER STACK

DNP(200mgs/day)(Powder)
Yohimburn: 2 Pippettes/day(150mg/day)
Ephedrine(or NYCA): 100-150mgs/day Eph alkaloids.
Arimidex: 1mg/day
Redux/Pondimin: 120mg/day at night
(Optional: GHB+Bromo at night to get to sleep)
(Optional: Capoten at 100mgs/day+Reduce
Yohimburn dosage to 1 pipette/day)
Crazy option: Run PGF2A if you're nuts enough...hehe)


If I put on 6lbs of fat because of poor eating habits(happens
on vacations. esp. christmas.......LOL)

Run that for 2 weeks and bye bye fat.

Still.....have to say good job Huck. Dieting is more about will-power
than anything else.

Fonz
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You're telling me.I'm kicking around doing some intervals with other items to keep throwing my system's adaptations off.DNP,clen,T-3 and yohimburn are all on the possible 'to-do' list of goodies,hehheh.First,I'll wait till this slows down a little though,as it is melting the adipose right off of me.
 
First meal-Met-rx MRP shake

3 hours later-non-fat cottage cheese,non fat yogurt,egg whites.

Lunch-Mongolian beef(a beef and sliced green onion Chinese food dish)

Mid afternoon-Met-rx MRP shake

Dinner-Canned Chunk turkey breast with low fat cheddar/monterey jack grated cheese mixture.

Pre bed-Met-rx 'Protein plus'(VERY low carb) shake
 
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Huck, how much weight training was involved? Also do you think liquidex/arimidex would be beneficial to someone that has not done a cycle but does have the estrogenic fat deposits? I would think so but I just wanted to make sure
 
Delinquent said:
Huck, how much weight training was involved? Also do you think liquidex/arimidex would be beneficial to someone that has not done a cycle but does have the estrogenic fat deposits? I would think so but I just wanted to make sure
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I have cut back my weight training drastically to 3 days a week,and limited to 45 minutes or less.The goal is maintenence-only right now,and that in itself is a stuggle when your blasting out high intensity cardio every morning.If you have 'pockets' of stubborn area's,then a combo of liquidex/yohimburn,would be an excellent choice,as it is attacking A2's from different pathways(one is acting directly upon them,while the other is making sure their proliferation is down-regulated by starving them of their essential component-estrogen).
 
Huck how would Femara compare to using Arimidex in combination with Yohimburn on a cutting cycle? What dosage for each? Thanks
 
barnidge said:
Huck how would Femara compare to using Arimidex in combination with Yohimburn on a cutting cycle? What dosage for each? Thanks
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It would work the same as liquidex,as it is an aromitase inhibitor as well,it's more potent than anastrozole though.Not sure on the femara dosage,as I have not used it yet,but liquidex is best ran at 1/4cc(1mg)ED or EOD.Personally,I like running it ED,as I get a nice spillover effect from each previous dosage that way.
 
Fenfluramine aka podimin aka redux was the drug associated with heart failure no? And wasn't one of the main culprits of all the diet lawsuits associated with phen-fen...Damn, there are a ton of shite on medline showing its connection to heart and lung problems...
 
Verbal Gorilla said:
Fenfluramine aka podimin aka redux was the drug associated with heart failure no? And wasn't one of the main culprits of all the diet lawsuits associated with phen-fen...Damn, there are a ton of shite on medline showing its connection to heart and lung problems...
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Yes. You're correct. Pondimin and the drug redux are linked to causing left-sided valvular heart disease and primary pulmonary hypertension. Redux has the same effect as the drug pondimin. Redux’s active medication is dexfenfluramine, basically identical to fenfluramine. Both pondimin and redux have resulted in the same adverse health problems. There are lawsuits pending all over the country concerning these exact drugs. It's still not too late to get involved in the class-action suits if you wish.

And Fonz, you need to do some more research before you tell people Redux is a "god-send." Some poor kid is going to read that and order some.

/ck
 
Fonz said:


Redux/Pondimin is an absolute GOD-SEND.
It is probably one of the main drugs that keeps
me lean.
Its a CNS depressant(a downer) BUT its also
a GREAT ANORECTIC!!!
It will demolish hunger at night while letting you
sleep.
Btw, Redux/pondimin is the only drug in EXISTENCE
that can do this.

I really don't understand why more people don't use this
drug as androgenic AAS have a tendency to cause
insomnia.
i.e. Tren/test/dball and winstrol/Anavar

Fonz
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I have been telling people this all the time and they scream "Heart valve damage!!!!!". They dont realize that the FDA studies were very biased.
As you said people always fuck up dieting at NIGHT not during the day.With clen and ECA/Noreph,ect. al, the daytime is easy to manage with the afforementioned thermogenic agents.
Pondimin is GREAT b/c its a depressant. This is a seriously underrated drug. Kudos for mentioning it.
 
CalKid said:


Yes. You're correct. Pondimin and the drug redux are linked to causing left-sided valvular heart disease and primary pulmonary hypertension. Redux has the same effect as the drug pondimin. Redux’s active medication is dexfenfluramine, basically identical to fenfluramine. Both pondimin and redux have resulted in the same adverse health problems. There are lawsuits pending all over the country concerning these exact drugs. It's still not too late to get involved in the class-action suits if you wish.

And Fonz, you need to do some more research before you tell people Redux is a "god-send." Some poor kid is going to read that and order some.

/ck

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Gee why is it that people in other countries havent had these terrible problems? Cal, The FDA's studies only touched on a SMALL percentage of HIGH risk people using the drug. Look closer and dig deeper.
 
CalKid said:


Yes. You're correct. Pondimin and the drug redux are linked to causing left-sided valvular heart disease and primary pulmonary hypertension. Redux has the same effect as the drug pondimin. Redux’s active medication is dexfenfluramine, basically identical to fenfluramine. Both pondimin and redux have resulted in the same adverse health problems. There are lawsuits pending all over the country concerning these exact drugs. It's still not too late to get involved in the class-action suits if you wish.

And Fonz, you need to do some more research before you tell people Redux is a "god-send." Some poor kid is going to read that and order some.

/ck
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I'm pretty sure you're the one who needs to do some research.
 
Hey huck
Would you change anything with your test/eq/d-bol cycle because of the fat gain or would you keep it the way it is?

jabs
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
...I recently completed a pretty high-dose run of test/eq/d-bol
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Huck, what were your results of of this first bulking cycle? How much weight gained? bf %'s etc. stats?
 
Huck - you ass archer. Make this a frickin' sticky.

Geeeeezzz!!!
 
Re: Re: Huckster's cutting cycle results...

mvmaxx said:


Huck, what were your results of of this first bulking cycle? How much weight gained? bf %'s etc. stats?
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I didn't take BF percentages during,as my BF while bulking is always frightening,lol.I gained close to 30lbs total,but probably only 50-60% of that was LBM.I'm kicking myself in the ass for not running liquidex DURING,elsewise that could've been a MUCH more favorable percentage.
 
Re: Re: Re: Huckster's cutting cycle results...

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:

I gained close to 30lbs total,but probably only 50-60% of that was LBM.
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How long did you run the last cycle? 30lbs is still great.
 
that's great man. The more great things i hear about liquidex/arimidex the better. I am in the process of cutting down for a compaetition in 6 weeks. Bought some nolvadex and clomid, but sounds like i'll need liquidex or arimidex for the ultra-hard polished look. Keep us posted on you size retention.
 
Great work Huck!
 
Sounds really good. Its nice to hear about some good results especially when accompanied by numbers. Thx for sharing. Hard work pays off, period.


##spiderbaby##
 
Thanks Huck. You just convinced me to add my extra liquidex back into my fina/winny/proviron cycle that is quickly approaching. I'll also be using NYC and Yohimburn. I may have to add Redux, I'll need to check in to that.
 
Hey FONZ, is Redux another trade name for Phen Phen? I thought it was a stimulant, even though I can't recall having the same stimulative effects as ECA. I have a few tabs of it left, but I think I can get more.
 
I am doing basically the samething Huck. Except I am using PGF2A around my lower abs and lovehandles. It is awsome.

nautica
 
nautica said:
I am doing basically the samething Huck. Except I am using PGF2A around my lower abs and lovehandles. It is awsome.

nautica
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Hey nautica, how is this working out for you (the pgf2a)? Here on elite it seems like people like it, yet over at AF most seem to dismiss it as ineffective.
 
Damn man your "hardcore" all over the place ;)

That rocks man, glad to hear that everything went smooth for you. ;)

Oh, and if you get a chance, Johnny rocket, or whoever he is on the board that posted his Awesome cycle, just flamed the hell out of you saying you didnt know anything about juicing and if you did you would be 250 already or something. You need to read his post. I backed you up before he could press enter to submit his own post, thats how fast i am. haha!
 
Hey, Huck great cycle. I have a question. I am running 50mg Anavar ED for 8 weeks and was wondering to best cut down on estrogenic fat would it be best to run Arimidex with Yohimburn post cycle instead of Clomid OR to run Arimidex and Yohimburn during the cycle and still run clomid after. Thanks bro.
 
barnidge said:
Hey, Huck great cycle. I have a question. I am running 50mg Anavar ED for 8 weeks and was wondering to best cut down on estrogenic fat would it be best to run Arimidex with Yohimburn post cycle instead of Clomid OR to run Arimidex and Yohimburn during the cycle and still run clomid after. Thanks bro.
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I like your post cycle idea better,as ox DURING cycle can actually REDUCE estrogen on it's own if it's the only anabolic being ran.Post cycle,obliterating those A2's with that formula you have in mind would work AWESOME.
 
gotta get this fat off me

help help help, a year ago i took primobolan,omnadren and deca.......Now i have love handles and a pooch belly....i think they aromitized on me because my midsection has never looked this bad....WHat is liquadex and yohim and where can i get it????????? is it too late to use arimedex and nolvedex to reverse this?????....please give me some good info HUCK>......
 
Puffy nips

Is it possible for someone to have puffy nips, while still having 10-12% BF, and never touched the juice? I'm tiny, and i don't do much upper-body work-outs, other than med balls and push-ups and my core. I have done a cycle of Deca/Dbol, but cut it short because I was getting a little more volatile than usual and I was putting on the fat, too much fat. Anyhow, As long as I remember, I've had puffy nipples. Even when I was like 13 and had two swimming workouts/day (used to swim zones and GPAC, i think it was called that, up and down the east coast all before my 17th bday.) I think then i had puffy nipples, i know it's cosmetic, but I'm kinda insecure about the bastards and was wondering if natural hormone fluctuations can cause them. Yohimbee does have some effect but i wanted to wait until i could mix it with something and really know what to do with it. I race bikes now and even while not on anything, I have to be prepped a while to even get an erection, I already know I have some wacked ratios from racing. If so, will a clen/ clomid cycle clear this shit up? Today is my last day of deca, so i have time. I already have clomid, but will the clomid/ clen get rid of these things? I know i'm going to catch shit from you all, but I want to know.

Thanks,

Rolf
 
A liquidex/Yohimburn combination may be your ticket.Fatty tissue around the nipple,lower pecs and love handle area is often estrogenically influenced.Lowering circulating estradiol while at the same time attacking the A2 receptors that are stubbornly holding on to fat in problem areas may be the potent combo you're searching for.
 
While arimidex inbetween cycles seems to work great, wouldn't simply using non-aromatizing gear (ox, winny, primo, etc.) during a diet work the same way?
 
DTOX said:
While arimidex inbetween cycles seems to work great, wouldn't simply using non-aromatizing gear (ox, winny, primo, etc.) during a diet work the same way?
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No,not to the degree that liquidex would.Estrogen would still be allowed to circulate freely,even though not being INCREASED necessarily.Anastrozole is potently down-regulating production of E,which the above items do not.Good question though.
 
That's music to my ears. I started the combo last wednesday and I think I'm going to add some yohimburn starting tomorrow. In your other thread you mentioned that .5mg would be more than enough for someone that has estrogenic fat deposits. Is there any type of "more is better" situation with anastrozole?
 
Delinquent and SDraver,add your inputs here,I will be VERY excited to see your results...Mike PT is having the same kind of unbelievable results as I am,so this may very well set a new trend in adipose destruction...

Delinquent-If gear free,I believe the .5mgs/day will be extremely efficient,as you would be getting a spillover effect from the previous days dosage.
 
Huck, I'd like to start ECA and yohimbine, but since I have mild hypertension, I'm hesitating.My BP off cycle stays in the 135/85 range, but when I'm on a cycle, depending on which drug I use, I have to start Clonidine or a mild diuretic to prevent BP to going higher than 160/100.I'm off now, will be for a long time, do you think that if I start with 2,7mg in the morning along with Xenadrine , my BP will be affected?
 
Rio 2001-The only way to know is to start off at a very light dosage and take daily BP readings.Just be careful,and drink alot of water to keep your system flushed.
 
got it QFAC.com . Yeah I think throwing your Arimidex/NYC combo into my pre-contest and following it post cycle should do wonders. Finally a reason for us true Endomorphs too be happy:) Once again thoug would Liquidex/NYC stack and Yohimburn be overkill. I though maybe introducing Yohimburn in the final stages.
 
All this info should help me for my show 11 may which is a warm-up show for a NQ 31 Aug. This year will be a challenge but a lot less guesswork with all the great info I get on here
 
Personally,I'd either back down the NYC dose a tad,or switch to E/C while bangin' the Yohimburn,but it really boils down to an individuality sensitivity issue.You could try it,and if you start getting nauseous/chills/amped,maybe try going E/C during Yohimburn phasing.If you handle the two together well,no reason not to go for it.
 
with the fact that I'm already doing Liquidex-Usnic acid, and eventually NYC stack that should be plenty them for now. not to mention other chemicals already being used.
 
Huck - I just noticed that your whole A2/E2 suppression deal centers around anastrozole.

Try letrozole instead - you can get it the same way I told you to get the Oxandrin (btw, how'd that work for you? (OTHER PEOPLE - PLS DON'T EMAIL ME ASKING!)) and only do the copay deal. I did it myself too and love Femara.
 
Huck...

Would much appreciate more examples of your typical days eating. Maybe in the diet forum?

Thanks Huck.
 
DaMan said:
Huck - I just noticed that your whole A2/E2 suppression deal centers around anastrozole.

Try letrozole instead - you can get it the same way I told you to get the Oxandrin (btw, how'd that work for you? (OTHER PEOPLE - PLS DON'T EMAIL ME ASKING!)) and only do the copay deal. I did it myself too and love Femara.
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Can you expand a bit?(Your experience I mean) As I'm
looking into femara use too.

And don't worry, i know where to get it from too.... :)

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Can you expand a bit?(Your experience I mean) As I'm
looking into femara use too.

And don't worry, i know where to get it from too.... :)

Fonz
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Yes. I *LOVE* Femara :) - how's that? I am getting my E2 taking a third time in 2 weeks when I come off, so I can give you a better picture then. (btw, it was close to zero on my last test while I had some therapeutic 2g of cyp flowing through me).

What I did NOT test, which I regret, was my IGF-1, which it's supposed to raise by 25% or so...

Long story short, though, I was taking 1.25mg Femara/ED while on cyp500mg/eq500mg/oxandrin(!)30mg along with tons of Yohimburn and am ending a t3/clen/eca cycle (Decaman's) this week. The results have been nothing short of spectacular - I just don't know how much to thank the Femara for it :)

I will post my bloodwork in a couple to let you know.
 
DaMan said:


Yes. I *LOVE* Femara :) - how's that? I am getting my E2 taking a third time in 2 weeks when I come off, so I can give you a better picture then. (btw, it was close to zero on my last test while I had some therapeutic 2g of cyp flowing through me).

What I did NOT test, which I regret, was my IGF-1, which it's supposed to raise by 25% or so...

Long story short, though, I was taking 1.25mg Femara/ED while on cyp500mg/eq500mg/oxandrin(!)30mg along with tons of Yohimburn and am ending a t3/clen/eca cycle (Decaman's) this week. The results have been nothing short of spectacular - I just don't know how much to thank the Femara for it :)

I will post my bloodwork in a couple to let you know.
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Cool. Thanks.

I think we're on the same wavelength in regards to
the IGF-1 increase.

Fonz
 
barnidge said:
FONZ:

Is Gyno much of a worry at all with Femara because of the IGF-1 Increase?
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One has nothing to do with the other, and aside from that Femara reduces your chances of estrogenic gyno due to its aromatase inhibition (that's the whole reason we're taking this thing!).
 
Huck this is great news and a great tip. Just curious as to what will happen when you taper off the nyc stack and liquidex. Will your estrogen levels rebound or how can you control it so you can keep your gains. Curious to hear you input, thanks again..
 
Mackavelli said:
Huck this is great news and a great tip. Just curious as to what will happen when you taper off the nyc stack and liquidex. Will your estrogen levels rebound or how can you control it so you can keep your gains. Curious to hear you input, thanks again..
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Alot of the data I've read on anastrozole suggests a LONG LASTING down-regulation of aromitase production,well after the drug has been discontinued,so I have a strange feeling that this will not be a factor like it is with nolvadex and clomid(SERMs).
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
First meal-Met-rx MRP shake

3 hours later-non-fat cottage cheese,non fat yogurt,egg whites.

Lunch-Mongolian beef(a beef and sliced green onion Chinese food dish)

Mid afternoon-Met-rx MRP shake

Dinner-Canned Chunk turkey breast with low fat cheddar/monterey jack grated cheese mixture.

Pre bed-Met-rx 'Protein plus'(VERY low carb) shake
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Huck, have you considered the high gylcemic index of maltodextrin? While it is a complex carb, the GI is very high, a 150 on the GI index which is higher even then dextrose/glucose.

Myoplex used to use "Vitargo," a carbohydrate isolated from potato starch that supposedly has the ability to replenish glycogen stores in the muscle cell very quickly and efficiently but they switched to maltodextrin too, sell out motherfuckers...

Anyway, pretty much all MRPs use malto, so I figured as an endo you'd definitely want to avoid that insulin rush....my turn to give you a tip for a change. ;-P
 
Good point Frack,but the malto is very limited(only 17 grams total carbs per packet).And malto is very proficient at restoring liver glycogen,which is quite benificial to maintain conversion of T-4 to T-3.As long as I'm not whopping down huge amounts,I seem to stay in ketosis pretty well.
 
oddly, glucose polymers (maltodextrin) tends to make many people nauseus if taken in large amount post work out...

while the GI may be higher the insulin response from destrose seems much greater..
 
ECA

Well done man it sounds like your stack kicked ass.

Guys i am just starting an ECA stack.

I am starting on 25mg E, 175 Caffeine and 300mg A. I know this is probably the usual to start on. But how long before iwill have to up the doses. How many weeks should i wait before i up them.

I am also doing weights and 40 mins cardio in the morning on little food.

Any suggesttions.

Peace
 
macrophage69alpha said:
oddly, glucose polymers (maltodextrin) tends to make many people nauseus if taken in large amount post work out...

while the GI may be higher the insulin response from destrose seems much greater..
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Maltose is the best. You can't get it in the US though.
just in the UK. Ever heard of Malt Syrup?

The stuff tastes delicious.... :)

In case you guys are wondering, using the old
glucose=100 GI Index, maltose is equal to 110.

A 120g maltose load post-wo puts me to nap
in 30 min flat. Thats how potent a GI spiker
this stuff is.

Another one of Fonz's secrets....... :) :) :) LOL

Fonz
 
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