hows this for my 3rd cycle

[BigDog1BR]

was up everyone long time reader first time posting. I am 30 yrs old 5'7" 170lbs around 12%bf. I have been hitting it hard in the gym for just over 3 yrs. I did my 1st cycle about a year and a half ago sust250 at 750 p/wk for 12 wks. 2nd was sust250 750 p/wk 12 wks with 40 dbol ed wks 1-5and 2 iu hgh ed. I am still on the hgh and am getting ready for next cycle. this is what I am thinking.

Test E. 600 p/wk 1-14
Deca 300 p/wk 1-10
dbol 40 ed wks 1-5
hgh 2iu ed
also thinking bout adding
hcg 500iu p/wk wks 1-10
aromasin 10 eod wks1-14

PCT is nolva: 2 wks at 40 ed, 2 wks at 20 ed, 1 wk at 10 ed

my 1st 2 cycles I had no major sides other than backne (not real bad mostly on my shoulders) and my sack shrunk on the last one. wanting to add the aromasin since this is a bigger stack and don't want any issues the hcg to keep my sack normal size and get a some extra test in my blood. any help changes or other comments would be appreciated.

 

[bigorse]

run deca for 12 weeks instead

 

[BigDog1BR]

Thanks, to do 12 weeks of deca I would have to buy another 10ml bottle. Then I would have to up dose to 500mg p/wk or end up with unused deca. Any other thoughts I'm mostly concerned with the hcg and aromasin.

 

[Saiyan7]

Save the unused deca for your next cycle...

Aromasin is good to start at 12.5mg eod and to adjust from there.

Many will tell you to not use HCG on cycle. Instead run it between your last test shot and before your pct.
for example, after your last test injection you use like 1000iu daily for like 11 days (common size HCG bottle) and then go into your pct.

And you may want to think about adding clomid to your pct.

 

[bigorse]

buy a third vial and run 15 weeks then, 12 weeks is minimum for deca in my opinion. just run test 1 week longer

 

[BigDog1BR]

How long should the unused deca last.
I will wait on the hcg or not run it at all.
What is the benefit of running clomid with the nolva?

 

[BigDog1BR]

Ok I will up the deca dose to 400-450 and if everything is going good then I will extend the cycle for 15 wks. Will clomid and nolva be good enough pct for this long of a cycle

 

[EZ_E]

You've run 2 cycles of 750 mg's of test & weigh 170?

What were your general stats before you started cycling?

 

[BigDog1BR]

B4 I started I was around 140 I have always been a hard gainer but my last cycle I got up to 185lbs I have been off cycle for 4 half months and been cutting getting ready for this cycle. And it's been over 100°F for past 3 weeks so yea I'm down to 170-175lbs. I would like to break 200lbs by the end of this run.

 

[bigorse]

grab some ghrp6 and eat like a beast and you'll get there

 

[BigDog1BR]

First time hearing bout ghrp6 looked it up and I'm getting mixed stuff on taking it with hgh some say not to and some say it works great together. I will ask my hook up and if he has it maybe try some.

 

[kreneerichardson]

buy a third vial and run 15 weeks then, 12 weeks is minimum for deca in my opinion. just run test 1 week longer

I agree @bigorse, if you are not running deca for at least 12 weeks, save it for another time. And...if I can't afford to do it proper, I'm not going to do it at all until I have all the money for everything. What was your intent on running hcg? Not saying its a bad idea;just wondering. (This is probably where someone thinks "gross...she's a girl....you will be resistant to listen to me. That's OK. Just my .2 [emoji844]

#tilimgone I'm gonna be a #badassbitch

 

[BigDog1BR]

I agree from what I've read the deca is best if ran longer so I'm going to plan on running it for 13 weeks at 400 and run the test for 15 weeks. It's not a matter of having the money just trying to use everything I buy and not leave a half used bottle of gear in my medicine cabinet between cycles. I am looking into the hcg to keep my balls from being out of service for to long and shrinking up. I've read where using hcg keeps them active during the cycle and helps them respond better when your body starts making its own. Would like to know what other users think. Thank you for your input I will listen to any .2

 

[EZ_E]

B4 I started I was around 140 I have always been a hard gainer but my last cycle I got up to 185lbs I have been off cycle for 4 half months and been cutting getting ready for this cycle. And it's been over 100°F for past 3 weeks so yea I'm down to 170-175lbs. I would like to break 200lbs by the end of this run.

140 - 185 is good only if you gained quality pounds. If you've been off for 4 1/2 months and dropped 15 pounds then your PCT is way off or your nutrition is way off. Maybe a combo of the 2.

Not sure what the temperature has to do with anything. Do you work outside?

 

[BigDog1BR]

I work in a factory when its that hot outside and its 120+ inside the plant for 12hrs a day its hard to stay hydrated and eat 4000 cals per day. If u haven't worked in extreme heat u wouldn't know. The 15lb loss isn't a big deal its summer and I cut some bf to get ready for this cycle which I will start next week. If ur just going to give me crap bc of my weight then get in line buddy iv put up with it my entire life.

 

[EZ_E]

You can get mad all you want, my post wasn't giving you crap.

You want help, then answer my questions. YOU'RE the one giving ME crap.

 

[BigDog1BR]

U haven't been any help. I am interested in comments about my stack not my weight. I know nutrition is important. I listed my pct at the beginning of thread is it way off?

 

[EZ_E]

I am trying to help you, you're not answering my questions.

I am asking what your PCT was for the 2 cycles you ran before. Was it the same PCT as you have listed? Just nolva isn't going to be sufficient for test & deca.

You want to keep as much of your gains as possible right?

And if it's hard to stay hydrated and eat a sufficient amount of calories in day why would you start what is clearly a bulking cycle now?

 

[BigDog1BR]

Pct was nolva last 2 cycles. Should I add clomid?

I have read that taking hcg during helps with the rebound in pct? Which will help keep gains which is important. I am thinking 250iu twice a week.

It's going to start cooling down soon that's why I'm waiting another week r 2 and I will make sure I'm getting the nutrition needed.

 

[tj124]

Looks like you are a hard gainer. For me to this is what works for me. Front load with Dbol 50 mgs 2 hours before training for 6 weeks , 400 mgs test e twice a week along with deca 300 mgs twice a week from week 1 to week 12. Eat eat eat lots of protein and clean carbs. PCT after 12 weeks, no cycle should be taken beyond 12 weeks. Run HCH during cycle at 1000 iu per week, then run clomid at and nolvadex for 3 to 4 weeks. Stay off gear for at least as long as you were on. Then repeat

 

[EZ_E]

Pct was nolva last 2 cycles. Should I add clomid?

I have read that taking hcg during helps with the rebound in pct? Which will help keep gains which is important. I am thinking 250iu twice a week.

It's going to start cooling down soon that's why I'm waiting another week r 2 and I will make sure I'm getting the nutrition needed.

Yes add clomid and maybe a good test booster. I used to use Post Cycle/Unleashed combo in my pre-TRT days. You would have retained more gains with a better PCT, but that's in the past.

HCG should be used, yes, start mid-late cycle and use it as a bridge into PCT.

Deca is a bitch to recover from, plan wisely as stated above.

 

[BigDog1BR]

Ok thanks for all the help everyone I am will put it all together next week and post updates as they progress over the next 4-6 months

 

[kreneerichardson]

I am trying to help you, you're not answering my questions.

I am asking what your PCT was for the 2 cycles you ran before. Was it the same PCT as you have listed? Just nolva isn't going to be sufficient for test & deca.

You want to keep as much of your gains as possible right?

And if it's hard to stay hydrated and eat a sufficient amount of calories in day why would you start what is clearly a bulking cycle now?

I didn't think guys even ran nolva as a PCT anymore, just because almost anything else is better than nolva for guys...but nolva is all I use, as I don't have to worry about my balls shrinking or gyno...I may have the smallest tits ever (which is fine with me where sex is concerned).
I would do clomid before nolva but isn't exemestane supposed to be good? You take it everyday and it keeps everything in check so you don't have to send a BOLO to search for your balls.
HCG is an option but it ends up being expensive in the long run too, depending when you start and how much you are paying.
Don't get bent about your weight...it is what it is...but you sounded kind of defensive, so I know it bothers you, and it shouldn't. Just do your best and who cares if you have leftover juice left? I must have 8 or so with varying amounts but I know I will use them again...there is only so much variation a girl can do.

#tilimgone I'm gonna be a #badassbitch

 

[BigDog1BR]

Thanks for ur input kreneerichardson I think a lot of people use nolva for there pct I will be using the exemestane (aromasin) throughout the cycle and i might add in the hcg around week 5 just going to see how I'm feeling. I will have nolva on hand and will decide if I want to use clomid towards the end

I am just getting into AAS and it seems like everyone has different things that work best. I'm just going to keep it simple and keep adding and tweaking if I don't like how one works for me then I won't use it again. It's all just a process just got to keep an open mind and listen to my body no different than weightlifting.

That send a BOLO to search for your balls line had me LMFAO.

IDK about having gear sitting around after its been pinned. I wouldn't risk getting and infection I'd just get a new bottle for the next run but like I said different strokes for different folks.

 

[kreneerichardson]

Thanks for ur input kreneerichardson I think a lot of people use nolva for there pct I will be using the exemestane (aromasin) throughout the cycle and i might add in the hcg around week 5 just going to see how I'm feeling. I will have nolva on hand and will decide if I want to use clomid towards the end

I am just getting into AAS and it seems like everyone has different things that work best. I'm just going to keep it simple and keep adding and tweaking if I don't like how one works for me then I won't use it again. It's all just a process just got to keep an open mind and listen to my body no different than weightlifting.

That send a BOLO to search for your balls line had me LMFAO.

IDK about having gear sitting around after its been pinned. I wouldn't risk getting and infection I'd just get a new bottle for the next run but like I said different strokes for different folks.

I was very hesitant in the beginning when I began using AAA too. Everything was done by the book. I have been training and competing since 2O11; started out as a figure competitor and weighed 128 lb on stage. (I'm 5'3). As of this week, I weigh 185. I hope to get up to 200 so I can step on stage at 185. So, if you respect what goes in your body, you will see a dramatic change in the first few months.

#tilimgone I'm gonna be a #badassbitch

 

[Macpainbaby]

How did you find you recovered off of a nolva only pct? Bloods done 6 weeks post cycle?? Im currently on week 12 of a 15 week cycle. Finishing last 3 weeks with test prop so I can pretty much go straight into pct. Weeks 1-12 were sust 250 with a tbol kicker. I've added hcg on weeks 11-15 at 500iu twice weekly. Balls are back to full size after just 2 weeks. 1 5000iu hcg kit will do u the last 5 weeks of your cycle mate. Just have your last shot taken 7 days before u start pct. Best of luck in cracking 200!!

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[BigDog1BR]

Didn't have any blood work done but I felt myself bounce back energy, sex drive, balls back to normal, overall feeling good and strong. This pct I will use clomid and nolva since I am adding deca and will be running a 14-15 week cycle. Also will add a test booster on the 3rd week of pct. I have used cellucor P6 in the past b4 I started using gear and felt a good boost from it. has anyone used it during pct?

I plan on doing the hcg during the last part of the cycle sounds like it helped you out .

 

[Macpainbaby]

Ya I won't run a cycle without it again. Good to hear u bounced back so well. Deca can shut u down hard so id add .5mg caber e3d throughout your cycle to combat this. Otherwise, everything looks good imo. Never used p6 before but I typically throw in a test booster during and after my pct along with 10mg creatine daily. Keep us updated bro