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how to get to pro bodybuilder level ?

Nikoli

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Now i have a question
can a person reach level of pro bodybuilder. lets say Frank Mcgrath by working out and following good diet for years then hit few cycles and all other stuff GH and keep bulking and cutting ?
or do you need to be on testosterone all year long like TRT ?
or as some people say "that those pro bodybuilders are on like 1000mg of testosterone all year long and sick amounts of GH like 40 iu or so "
for the record.
im 24
5'10
183 lbs now in November
12% Body fat (did cut from 20% naturally)
didnt use any AAS yet ( and not planning to until like next year or in couple of years ) except 1 PH cycle like a year ago
 
Unless you have freaky genetics where your whole life you looked better than everyone you know, you probably don't stand a chance. What's the point anyway? There's no money in it.
 
Simply no. You cannot compete with those guys without all the drugs. Back in Arnolds day you could compete with mild cycles, but not today.


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IMO no not just because of the genetics thing but lets say you do have the genetics of the top .05% of the population. (which is like asking can i make it into the NBA or NFL.. phat chance, gotta stay healthy, get lucky, and have amazing talent) but you also gotta devote 24/7 to this.

why not just have fun and compete in local competitions? usually you might have 6 guys in your category and top 3 get awards so you have a real shot to walk out a winner
 
Unless you have freaky genetics where your whole life you looked better than everyone you know, you probably don't stand a chance. What's the point anyway? There's no money in it.

i dont think i have freaky genetics . not even close!
its for me. thats what i wanted since i was a kid certainly not for the money. i make very good money. but i guess you are right . there is no chance to do it with cycles here and there you need to be on stuff constantly
 
You would definitely have to have the whole package to get to pro. There are only a couple guys I have ever seen come to this board with the potential to be pro, and they obviously have the best genetics, eat like a beast, and run ridiculous amounts of gear year round.

The requirement to get that level is unattainable for the vast majority of the population
 
Nelson said it all, competeing takes alot of dedication, I've been there, if you're after personal gratification competing will do it, as Nelson said Theres no money in it, you'll get your picture taken,maybe endorse some products if you're lucky.etc,etc,etc.
 
There's a great interview in the C&C area covering the life of a pro-bb. Not very appealing for most. I am on my phone and can't track it down
 
For most no.....

For some yes.....

Depends on how well you react to everything and how well you can hold onto your gains from cycling. Not to mention the patience......
 
You would definitely have to have the whole package to get to pro. There are only a couple guys I have ever seen come to this board with the potential to be pro, and they obviously have the best genetics, eat like a beast, and run ridiculous amounts of gear year round.

The requirement to get that level is unattainable for the vast majority of the population

Well said! It's not easy if it were everyone that picked up weights could go pro. It's dedication, genetics and a good amount of gear. Goodluck if you compete locally, it's a great experience and you don't respect the sport until you put in that time and effort and step on stage. Just my 2cents
 
Well said! It's not easy if it were everyone that picked up weights could go pro. It's dedication, genetics and a good amount of gear. Goodluck if you compete locally, it's a great experience and you don't respect the sport until you put in that time and effort and step on stage. Just my 2cents

i guess you i just have to do my best in workout and diet and dedicate to it and be patient
thank you
 
This was a response by a pro coach to a post that I made about how I wasn't gaining like my first cycle. Might answer the OP's questions.

The reason you're not gaining like your 1st cycle is because this is not your 1st cycle. You will never make those kind of gains again...and on your 3rd cycle you will gain less than you did on your 2nd...and then less on your 4th...then 5th..etc....until eventually, you will be lucky to gain a couple new pounds of muscle with each cycle. After that, you will begin losing every pound of muscle you gain from every cycle as soon as you go off. The ONLY way to overcome that and continue gaining more muscle is to take less time off and spend more time on. At some point, even that won't be sufficient anymore...and you will be forced to stay on all year round....and if you want to continue gaining muscle beyond that, you will be forced to use drugs all year long in fairly large amounts just to gain a few pounds of muscle each year.

By cycling 50% of the time on/50% of the time off...you will never approach the size of a pro BB'r. In fact, for most guys who follow that format, their gains will stall after just a couple of years, to the point where they will only be gaining a couple new pounds of muscle each year...and soon after that their gains will stop. Just to give you an idea, by the time you get to around your 6th or 7th cycle (roughly), you will only be gaining about 4-5 oounds of new muscle per cycle...and it will continue to quickly decrease from there as time goes by.

For guys who continue cycling 50% ON/50% OFF...they will always gain a decent amount of weight each time they go back on (a good portion of it will be intramuscular water retention), but as I said earlier, once you reach a certain point in your development, "all" of that weight will be lost when you go off. Your natural hormonal environment can only support so much muscle tissue, regardless of ho good your PCT is...so once you reach the point where your natural T production can no longer support the amount of muscle tissue you built on cycle, you will continue to lose "all" the muscle you gained beyond that point every time you stop using AAS. You will never be able to maintain ANY amount of muscle beyond what your natural hormonal environment can support...period. Unfortunately, the natural hormonal environment of the average man cannot spuport very much muscle tissue at all...not anywhere close to a pro BB'r. Some men are more blessed than others in this regard, but no one will ever get "huge" cycling 50% On/50% off. The BB'r simply spends too much time with an inferior hormonal environment.

As many guys here have already stated, one of the key pitfalls of most BB'rs trying to add size is that they do not eat enough. If a BB'r wants to maximize the amount of muscle he can gain...and does not want to stagnate prematurely...he MUST come to realize that for every new pound of muscle he gains, he MUST increase his caloric intake "forever", if he wants to maintain that new muscle. He will never again be able to eat what he did when he was lighter...and the bigger he gets, the more he must eat simply to maintain that new muscle, let alone gain more. In reality, most BB'rs stop making gains not because they aren't using enough AAS, but because they get to a point where they stop increasing their calories. They think to themselves..."I am already eating so much food...I can't eat anymore"...and then their gains stop. It might not sound fair or fun, but the body doesn't care how full you feel, it ONLY cares if it has enough calories to keep building more muscle tissue. The average 250-300 lb off-season BB'r will require between 4,000-6,000 calories per day to maintain ther muscle tissue. 4K is hard enough for some guys, while other guys have a much easier time with it, BUT...almost everyone thinks it is a total bitch to eat 6K cals per day...and many guys just can do it. Hell, many guys cant even eat 4K cals per day on a regular basis. I have spoken with so many BB'rs over the years who think they eat "sooo much food", but they don't eat shit! When they actually add ther calories up, they find they're eating around 3-3.5 K cals per day. Diet is by far the most difficult part of maximizing one's BB'ing potential. Without a enough of the right food at the right times, the BB'rs is sure to fail in his quest of maximizing his physical potential.
 
^^^ interesting read but i think that coach puts way too much stock in the power of steroids. they aren't THAT powerful where you can stay on and continue to gain a pound per month of muscle mass like that. if that was true we all would be 300 pounds of muscle.

its like the 'cow technique' .. the story of the guy in Scotland who would lift a baby cow everyday.. the cow would slowly gain weight and the guy lifting it would lift more and more weight until the cow weighed 1000 pounds and he still was able to lift it.. its just not the way our bodies work because we aren't robots.

the key problem: INJURIES.

there isn't a single bodybuilder/lifter on here who hasn't had to deal with them. and they aren't injuries that are understood.. they are usually nagging types of injuries or soft tissue types of injuries that really won't go away without a lot of rest or worse are permanent things we will have to deal with forever.

another problem: LIPIDS

you stay on steroids at moderate or high dosages for long periods of times and your organs will suffer. your body just won't be able to handle it.
 
Once you reach your genetic potential, gaining muscle beyond that is impossible without gear, and maintaining any muscle gained beyond your genetic limit requires staying on. Coming off you would slowly go back to your genetic limit over time. This is why you see so many huge guys blasting and cruising, without ever coming off
 
Like Rick said, without gear it's impossible. In saying that without proper nutrition and training you will never reach your genetic potential in the first place. Eat like a beast, and train even harder. The gear makes up a big part of adding pro size muscle but you need a solid base to begin from.
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:

This is actually great info... There is a sinister side to BBing.. And it takes a toll on the body mentally as physically. I am a national level bber and will be competing for a pro card in 2013, and he is right. U have to play the game... And u have to be strategic in every aspect of it... Diet, training and ur gear runs. It's more than eating chicken and lifting heavy weights. Time takes its turn on all of us, so do what u can while u can do it.

That post just got me amped for my workout tonight!! Thank u sir!
 
Good man.. Pro card in '13 is great. Everyones dream. Best of luck!!! Im doing a show next May..Master/Light heavy..You have re-energized me..now Im gonna kill it tonight. As for the original poster...I didnt mean to make it seem hopeless, but as with anything you gotta approach this lifestyle for what it is. If one choses to try and compete, especially at a National level( c-lo34 can confirm this better than me ) you should just go into it with your eyes wide open.
 
Good man.. Pro card in '13 is great. Everyones dream. Best of luck!!! Im doing a show next May..Master/Light heavy..You have re-energized me..now Im gonna kill it tonight. As for the original poster...I didnt mean to make it seem hopeless, but as with anything you gotta approach this lifestyle for what it is. If one choses to try and compete, especially at a National level( c-lo34 can confirm this better than me ) you should just go into it with your eyes wide open.

I will second that!

Glad I got u re-energized go and kill it bro! Goodluck to u in ur upcoming contest!
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:


Great post bro. I envy you for having the oppurtunity to train with Frank Zane. Due to his insane aesthetics, he is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. That guy just had the most perfect physique IMO
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:


Great post bro. I envy you for having the oppurtunity to train with Frank Zane. Due to his insane aesthetics, he is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. That guy just had the most perfect physique IMO
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:


Great post bro. I envy you for having the oppurtunity to train with Frank Zane. Due to his insane aesthetics, he is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. That guy just had the most perfect physique IMO
 
Being an older Competitor and having so many close friends who were insane for BB back in their late teens, 20's I can tell you almost all of them dont even train anymore in their 40's . I think the pro coach laid out the harsher reallity of this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get to an NPC National level w/ out gear. Take it one step further, It is even more impossible to get to an IFBB level without gear. I dont care what your genetics are, how much food you eat, how hard you train..IT will NEVER happen. As someone else mentioned..getting a Frank Zane type of physique would even be a far stretch without gear. I would bet the chances of getting on the Olympia stage are no different than the odds of becoming a pro Basketball, Baseball or Football player. I was there when I was younger, I wanted it so bad but luckily I was exposed to the pro bodybuilding scene when I was young and got the wake up call when I realized what exactly was involved. The more sinister side of this is the politics involved..as you climb the ranks it gets harder and harder if you dont play the game just right. Lastly One thing to remember. No matter how well you look now, how strong you are at some point father time will ALWAYS win out. When I trained with Frank Zane I asked him what his biggest regret was. He said getting old. Its very hard when you were once on top of the world.This coming from a guy who was 200lb when he won the olympia..So remember the bigger you get the harder your gonna have to fight every year to keep that muscle on. Wow..I think I may have just sabatoged my own workout later. Totally depressed :mix:


Great post bro. I envy you for having the oppurtunity to train with Frank Zane. Due to his insane aesthetics, he is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. That guy just had the most perfect physique IMO
 
Somone ban that guy for multiple posts.






JK!
 
It was the best Christmas gift my wife could ever have gotten me. Its sad in a way that the era of having a more "beautiful" body like Zanes is long gone. If you read some recent interviews by Sergio Oliva he mentions how hes friends with the old timers, Zane included. Back then it was Test, Deca and d-bol thats it. Zane was open with me about it, didnt really put a great deal of emphasis on it, but we did speak about the amounts that todays pro's have to take. Oliva said if we had available back then whats available today he would be scared to think what the guys in the 70's would have looked like. I do think however as an NPC competitor myself..the rise of the "physique" class is giving you an indication of where the popularity of this is all going. Hopefully that class brings in many more competitors to raise the purses on these contests for everyone.
 
Zane was a freak. Little small for my personal tastes.


Remember back in like 94-ish.......remember Dennis Newman before he got cancer or whatever it was? He was like superman visually. A perfect transition from the Arnold era. Not blown up like the monsters of today. If pro BB'ing was about that look it would be awsome.

If anyone here is on their way to a pro card any time soon its C-LO. You just have that look bro. You got it.
 
Zane was a freak. Little small for my personal tastes.


Remember back in like 94-ish.......remember Dennis Newman before he got cancer or whatever it was? He was like superman visually. A perfect transition from the Arnold era. Not blown up like the monsters of today. If pro BB'ing was about that look it would be awsome.

If anyone here is on their way to a pro card any time soon its C-LO. You just have that look bro. You got it.

It's all a about being a monster now in the sport. Look at Kai. Or Ronnie. Freaks! The old school physique is of the past and I don't believe it will come back as the popular vote. I think they looked good at that time. But now it's time to be as large and ripped as inhumanly possible.

And thanks "burn" I am after that pro status! It's on!
 
It's all a about being a monster now in the sport. Look at Kai. Or Ronnie. Freaks! The old school physique is of the past and I don't believe it will come back as the popular vote. I think they looked good at that time. But now it's time to be as large and ripped as inhumanly possible.

And thanks "burn" I am after that pro status! It's on!

im curious to see what this sport is going to be like 20-30 years from now 0.o



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Great post bro. I envy you for having the oppurtunity to train with Frank Zane. Due to his insane aesthetics, he is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. That guy just had the most perfect physique IMO



I hear an echo
 
They will probably all be dead no one knows what that much shit and all these research drugs will do



True, I said this long ago the long term ramifications of using research chemicals is not know because they are relatively new and no studies are currently out there on the long term effects.
 
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