how much test before ai is necssary

[dumbass]

I am trying to figure out what are some of the upper limits of test you folks run without any AI. I know its going to be different for everyone, so if you dont have personal experience to talk about then go back to knitting.
For those not gyno prone, at say 500-750mg per week, where does estrogen aromatization typically become a problem for you? Or does it become a problem for you at all?

 

[Shinobi]

For me if I go higher than 500mg I need AI

 

[macrophage69alpha]

really depends on the person, for some people 100mg per week REQUIRES an aromatase inhibitor.

generally reccomend AT LEAST low dose AI use regardless of amount of test used. Now if you are using non aromatic AAS, its a different story.

 

[organon250]

i'm really lucky at 500mg i don't even hold water but 750 i need my aromisin or adex to prevent the ol' moon face but i've been on 750mg's of test and 30mg's of dbol a day and don't have any nipple sensitivity or other tip off's gyno's coming just the water retention... my best friend however gets sensitive nipples when he gets his package from his source with test though.. everyone's different obviously and you just have to see where your at on the scale... not to tell you something you probably already know but don't run test or any other aromatic aas unless you have some ai on hand.

 

[gettnlarge01]

I have ran 1750mg/wk with no gyno at all but I did hold water,but that was no suprise.

 

[AhMadKooL]

like macro said: It differs from one person to the other

 

[shivastool]

Ive always run a low-dose AI as my cycles always have a fair bit of Test...never had any gyno issues.
Its ALWAYS a good idea to have an AI and SERM on hand in case of cycle gyno...and of course PCT.

 

[dumbass]

i'm really lucky at 500mg i don't even hold water but 750 i need my aromisin or adex to prevent the ol' moon face but i've been on 750mg's of test and 30mg's of dbol a day and don't have any nipple sensitivity or other tip off's gyno's coming just the water retention... my best friend however gets sensitive nipples when he gets his package from his source with test though.. everyone's different obviously and you just have to see where your at on the scale... not to tell you something you probably already know but don't run test or any other aromatic aas unless you have some ai on hand.

Thanks for responding with actual information and not the generic responce that everyone is different.

 

[dumbass]

I have ran 1750mg/wk with no gyno at all but I did hold water,but that was no suprise.

The type of info I was looking for. Thanks

 

[solidspine]

Be on the safe side, I always take an anti-e with any gear, any amount.

 

[drrman]

for myself i run an anti e with ANY amount of test or aromatizable aas i run

 

[dumbass]

Be on the safe side, I always take an anti-e with any gear, any amount.

Did you learn you needed to do this from past cycles?

 

[dumbass]

for myself i run an anti e with ANY amount of test or aromatizable aas i run

Do you have estrogen problems at even low doses?

 

[Caper26]

Thanks for responding with actual information and not the generic responce that everyone is different.

The "Generic Responses" are the best ones in this thread because your question really does depend on the individual. You may like the post from someone who says they can use a couple of grams of test and not get gyno but that is not going to help you in any way. Not trying to sound like an arse but for example i could do 500 mg and get gyno and so can many others. It sounds more like you want to hear a specific response and that will cause more trouble than good. There will be no fooling yourself if you started to develope Gyno. So be safe and at least use a small dose of AI and adjust to how your body is responding.

 

[ALIN]

I am trying to figure out what are some of the upper limits of test you folks run without any AI. I know its going to be different for everyone, so if you dont have personal experience to talk about then go back to knitting.
For those not gyno prone, at say 500-750mg per week, where does estrogen aromatization typically become a problem for you? Or does it become a problem for you at all?

I've seen guys at 200mg/wk who need AI,,,the AI dose will vary with testosterone dose.

 

[dumbass]

The "Generic Responses" are the best ones in this thread because your question really does depend on the individual. You may like the post from someone who says they can use a couple of grams of test and not get gyno but that is not going to help you in any way. Not trying to sound like an arse but for example i could do 500 mg and get gyno and so can many others. It sounds more like you want to hear a specific response and that will cause more trouble than good. There will be no fooling yourself if you started to develope Gyno. So be safe and at least use a small dose of AI and adjust to how your body is responding.

I am not asking what dose I can run without an AI but thanks for your even less useful infomation then the generic response.
I know what dose I can run without having problems but that doesnt have anything to do with my question. I asked what doses YOU (and not you specifically, but you, as in members of the board who have experience) run without an AI.

 

[dumbass]

I am getting worried that every question on this board is starting to get the auto response that would be worthy of a high school kid.
I dont need to know that AI's are used during PCT and I didnt ask if I can run test without an AI. I didnt even ask if anyone SHOULD run test without any estrogen protection. What I asked, and I even included the comment on knitting just for this reason, was what some of you have, or do run, without any AI.

 

[AhMadKooL]

I am getting worried that every question on this board is starting to get the auto response that would be worthy of a high school kid.
I dont need to know that AI's are used during PCT and I didnt ask if I can run test without an AI. I didnt even ask if anyone SHOULD run test without any estrogen protection. What I asked, and I even included the comment on knitting just for this reason, was what some of you have, or do run, without any AI.

Bro take it easy there with the bad attitude...

The "Generic Response" you got is the best answer for your question. If you'd like to stay in this board and make new friends you better work on your attitude.

 

[dumbass]

wow

 

[njmuscleguy]

I've run as little as 400mg/wk test and as much as 800mg/wk.... I needed an AI as much for the lowest test dosage as I did for the highest.... I puff up very easily.... Adex did nothing for me... AIFM works decently...Aromasin did the job very nicely.... so even as low as 400mg, I'm pretty sensitive to test bloat.... add deca to the mix and fuhgetaboutit!

 

[pentatonic]

The "Generic Response" you got is the best answer for your question. If you'd like to stay in this board and make new friends you better work on your attitude.

??? How is that. Seems like the best response would be an answer to his question. He asked for user experiences, not what he should look out for.

 

[AhMadKooL]

??? How is that. Seems like the best response would be an answer to his question. He asked for user experiences, not what he should look out for.

Even if he had asked for personal experiences that wouldn't be of much help since everybody is going to give a different experience as it has transponded in this thread; So in a nutshell this generic answer is the best answer.

 

[pentatonic]

Even if he had asked for personal experiences that wouldn't be of much help since everybody is going to give a different experience as it has transponded in this thread; So in a nutshell this generic answer is the best answer.

Re-read the question, that's the whole point. He even stated in his question "I know its going to be different for everyone, so if you dont have personal experience to talk about then go back to knitting."

 

[AhMadKooL]

Re-read the question, that's the whole point. He even stated in his question "I know its going to be different for everyone, so if you dont have personal experience to talk about then go back to knitting."

I fully understand his question and I've re-read it many times.. As I said in my previous post what info will he get from everybody posting his different response? How will that help him out if everybody is going to state a different experience? No help there... As i said in a nutshell a generic response is the best respone for this question.. Plus Even if that didn't answer his question he should have a better attitude to somebody that took the time to read his question and come out with an honest reply - that was the main reason i was flaming him... Anyways bro; lets keep it at that I'm done arguing with u.

 

[Caper26]

I fully understand his question and I've re-read it many times.. As I said in my previous post what info will he get from everybody posting his different response? How will that help him out if everybody is going to state a different experience? No help there... As i said in a nutshell a generic response is the best respone for this question.. Plus Even if that didn't answer his question he should have a better attitude to somebody that took the time to read his question and come out with an honest reply - that was the main reason i was flaming him... Anyways bro; lets keep it at that I'm done arguing with u.

 

[pentatonic]

Everybody will have different answers, that's because he's asking for everyone's experience with it. Once again, he stated that in his original post. Damn, yall two need to learn how to read. You might as well teach him how to bake a cake too cause it will accomplish the same thing.

 

[dumbass]

Everybody will have different answers, that's because he's asking for everyone's experience with it. Once again, he stated that in his original post. Damn, yall two need to learn how to read. You might as well teach him how to bake a cake too cause it will accomplish the same thing.

I was actually wondering how to bake a cake, so in truth, that information would be more useful to me. thanks pent.
I am going to change my orig question to: How much test before AI is nes, (please dont comment if your answer is going to be different than everyone else's).

 

[dumbass]

^^^^^
^^^^^^
Exactly what i was saying. He can ask all he whats but he is making no logical sense. What use is a few very different individual responses about their individual biological response. Generic is best for this question. Its the same logic as the when someone posts their first cycle to be critiqued when the just wanted someone to tell them it was good. I have nothing else to say on this issue either. It is simple logic.

Its a simple question. I am not asking for advices. I am asking for personal experience. How come some people understood that and posted thier personal experience, but the thought of actually replying with any real information is just not logical to you?

 

[Caper26]

^^^^

 

[dumbass]

It is not logical because the information you gather will in no way help you. Even if you are not looking for advice, you are not going to learn anything by asking that question except how it works for some guy you don't know. You have to admit people usually ask questions for a reason. Your title was "How much test before AI is necessary?" that must have just been a joke since their is no way you are asking that...was not trying to give you a hard time but you have to understand alittle bit were i am coming from. Anyways no hard feeling and we can stop the chatter and maybe you can get a few more responses for your question.

Cheers,

Caper26

It is perfectly logical, just not to you, I guess. How do you know what will help me and what wont? I did ask the question for a reason. I will learn exactly what I set out to learn by asking that question, and that is to find out some of the other board members personal experiences.
I do see where your coming from and I can see how this misunderstanding took place. I am sorry i didnt give a full description of my question in the title of my post. I wrongly assumed that the subject contained in the post would explain my question clearly. In the future I will run all my posts by you ahead of time to make sure that they are logical, that the information I gather will be useful to me, and that i will in fact learn something.
Now if you will please, answer my question or leave my post. I am conducting important scientific research here dummy.

 

[PeterPelco]

I have ran 1750mg/wk with no gyno at all but I did hold water,but that was no suprise.

same here, one week i was over 2g of test.....i never had gyno though
(knock on wood) and I do have AIFM on hand in case anything occurs

 

[Caper26]

^^