Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below There's a police offer in my gym that is a monster and as u can tell a juicer. I know some guys that used to lift at the gym that where his sources but no longer. He's been asking around again for some to sell him stuff. Granted I know his other sources well and there not in jail or ever gotten any heat. would it be safe to resell to him?
How many cops juice?
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TheDarkSideNinja
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NEVER....
Not to be a dick but of all people i would never trust a cop!!! If anything ever went wrong with the deals or they felt like being a dick or it was a set-up, or you piss them off someday, etc.. they can fuck you as bad as they wanna. I.M.O i stay clear of cops. I know 2 cops that juice at the gym but i want no part of them... ~JT~
Not to be a dick but of all people i would never trust a cop!!! If anything ever went wrong with the deals or they felt like being a dick or it was a set-up, or you piss them off someday, etc.. they can fuck you as bad as they wanna. I.M.O i stay clear of cops. I know 2 cops that juice at the gym but i want no part of them... ~JT~
HamsterHider
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none it is unethical and they take an oath
little chris
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what about firemen. hehe
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little chris
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first of all guys if a cop walked up to you and asked you if you wanted juice he could never arrest you on the grounds of entrapment. Entrapment means that no law enforcement officer can intitiate contact with a suspect or present a situation at hand. Also everyone talks about cops and juice, my answer is so what. I don't care if they juice as long as their not hypocrites about it. Who can really blame a cop for juicing on some of the shit they have to go through. I'd rather see a cop juiced up and in shape defending the streets then some 50yr old fat fuck who needs a spot to get off the couch. Alot of us rip cops and some do deserve it but the fact is if we need help they're the first ones we call. We need to stop acting like the hypocrites. I'm sure I'll take heat for this.
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TheDarkSideNinja
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LMAO....
Yea come to think about it i remember getting arrested by this guy with the last name Coleman and he was like a 350 lb monster....im wondering if hes the same guy!!!
Yea come to think about it i remember getting arrested by this guy with the last name Coleman and he was like a 350 lb monster....im wondering if hes the same guy!!!
jh1
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little chris said:
hahha... tell that shit to John Dolorian... and many others.
All they have to establish is that they are not the reason you became a dealer... in other words they were establishing you were already a criminal and they were just exposing this fact....
If they came to your house - and you have never done anything illegal - and they told you where to get the shit and showed you the ropes and then bought some and busted you for it that would be a different deal...
Your ass is going to jail if you follow this guy's advice.... watch out....
little chris
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JH1, I think you misunderstood me. Actually I misstated myself. What I meant to say was a cop cannot go to a gym and ask people if they want to buy juice off of him and expect to go to court with that. He can however go to a gym and ask if anyone is selling and then bust them. Its like female hookers undercover. If an undercover hooker is standing on the corner she cannot approach a car and initiate contact. The driver must inititate the contact.
A buddy of mine got double crossed and busted by a cop last year in NJ.
He was working out with this cop at the same gym for over 3 years, hang out at clubs etc.
But my buddy was also a dealer and little by little this cop gained his trust, introduced new "customers" (undercover cops) and after few sales he got busted.
This cop was dirty (hey, it's New Jersey), is no longer in active duty (last time I heard was "protecting" few strip joints) and my buddy is doing 2 years.
Draw your own conclusions.
He was working out with this cop at the same gym for over 3 years, hang out at clubs etc.
But my buddy was also a dealer and little by little this cop gained his trust, introduced new "customers" (undercover cops) and after few sales he got busted.
This cop was dirty (hey, it's New Jersey), is no longer in active duty (last time I heard was "protecting" few strip joints) and my buddy is doing 2 years.
Draw your own conclusions.
jh1
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not being a dick, but the reason there was a mis-understanding is you mis-stated your premise. My quote of you was accurate and the logic in your quote was dead wrong... That is what I was referring to.
You are, however, absolutley correct in your readdress..... that would be entrapment.
You are, however, absolutley correct in your readdress..... that would be entrapment.
little chris
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First I agree that Jersey Cops are the pigs of the country. There's alot of cops in my gym and they always make fun of Jersey cops calling them glorified crossing guards. One time there was a NJ cop off duty and some of me a my friends 2 who are cops were talking to him when he stated he was a cop. My buddies responed with "oh yeah where"? he says "washington township in NJ" my buddy goes "New Jersey,? I thought you said you were a cop?"
By the way, what was your friend selling that he got busted and how much?
By the way, what was your friend selling that he got busted and how much?
little chris
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No burn here JH1 I said it wrong. Whats really fucked up is that I have a BA and a masters in criminal/justice.
There was $60,000 well spent.
There was $60,000 well spent.
little chris said:
I don't have exact numbers, but I know he had few boxes of test, EQ, dbol, anadrol, clen, total value was approx. $8,000 - $10,000. If I am not mistaken, there were 4 undercover cops posing as customers, two of them wanted to be resellers or something like that.
I just hope my buddy did not become someone's bitch...
little chris
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All that for a guy selling juice? that's fucking retarded. NJ cops man they got nothing better to do but clean up the gyms of people trying to get in better shape. Real quick I guve another NJ jerkoff cop story. Me and my buddy are driving in NJ when a cop gets on our ass with the lights and sirens. We pull over and he starts yelling and screaming that we cut him off and were beeping our horn "relentlessly" at him. Me and my friend started to laugh cause I'm 24 and my friend is 27 and this cop is about 21. He says what are we laughing at? my friend says "we were never blowing the horn at you". The cop responds "are you calling me a liar"? I chime in with "yes, we are" My friend says "go ahead and try to beep my horn officer". My friends horn was broke since the day he bought the car and the cop found this out and felt like the jerkoff he was.
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Citruscide
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I wouldn't even risk it bro... he's a cop. No disrespect to law enforcement, or any guidelines involving entrapment... but all he has to do is start telling his "cop buddies" about his new source... word gets around... next thing you know... attention is directed in your direction... VERY unwanted attention.
It's best to be unnoticed...
Oh yeah... don't break the law.
C-ditty
It's best to be unnoticed...
Oh yeah... don't break the law.
C-ditty
little chris
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citrus said it best. Yeah we got the entrapment thing on our side but the court isn't gonna believe your word against some cops, especially if its just the 2 of you. Stay clear of it.
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HULKSTER
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little chris said:
We only need cops because law enforcement organizations, officials and COPS have conspired to take away our Constitutional right to bear arms in order to have unchallenged power and authority over our lives. In New Jersey, where I live, you can only own a registered gun if it is kept in your home. You can't conceal it in your clothing while in public(like you can in Florida), nor can you keep one on you if you're driving or walking in an extremely dangerous city late at night. There are no exceptions. Law enforcement has METHODICALLY AND PURPOSELY made the population totally and completely dependent on law enforcement for their own personal protection because so many freedoms of self-defense have been taken away. Shit, not only can't you carry a gun on you in NJ no matter what the circumstance, you can't carry a knife, brass knuckles, etc. for self-defense. Plus, if you get into even a slight physical altercation with another person, all of a sudden, you are arrested for assault. Even in self-defense cases, most cops are pricks and will arrest the other person. Fuck, parents can't even give their little children a spanking without worrying about the police arresting them, or DYFS being called and taking away custody of the kids from the parents. BOTTOM LINE: starting back during the LIBERAL 60's, lazy, fat, stupid Americans gave up a good amount of their freedoms in order to let BIG BROTHER take care of what used to be the private citizen's responsibilities. No we are paying the price.
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little chris
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Actually HULK law enforcement and cops aren't the ones infringing on our rights its the courts that allow them to do this and the congressmen who make the laws or in this case ban the rights of us. I know Jersey very well and its gotta be one of the strictest states in the country when it comes to gun control. I do agree with you that its liberal assholes who make it tough for law biding people. What we need in this country or for you Hulk in NJ is enough people to show their interest in the right to carry guns (of course with no prior criminal record) and trust me whoever the underdog candiate is will change his view of gun control so he can get elected.
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HULKSTER
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Do you know how many letters to politicans, special interest groups, etc, that I have written? Most were probably burned before they were opened.
NorCalBdyBldr
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"What I meant to say was a cop cannot go to a gym and ask people if they want to buy juice off of him and expect to go to court with that."
However, if, after he makes an offer to sell juice, you agree to buy juice from him, he probably can go to court with it. It is only considered entrapment if he gets you to do something through "coercing" you to do something that you would not willingly and freely do on your own if the situation presented itself if I understand the law accurately. It is my understanding that it is also actually legal from him to sell you the juice and THEN bust you because you took possession. He is not required to blow his cover at all even if it requires him to "illegally" sell you juice. So I'd be very very careful.
However, if, after he makes an offer to sell juice, you agree to buy juice from him, he probably can go to court with it. It is only considered entrapment if he gets you to do something through "coercing" you to do something that you would not willingly and freely do on your own if the situation presented itself if I understand the law accurately. It is my understanding that it is also actually legal from him to sell you the juice and THEN bust you because you took possession. He is not required to blow his cover at all even if it requires him to "illegally" sell you juice. So I'd be very very careful.
Hulkster I would rethink what you said along the lines that some people cannot protect themselves from themselves much less from others. And I guess you haven't been to many murder scenes caused by hot blood. I was at one last week were someone got beat up so his brother shot the guy in the back. Also it is not illegal to carry a knife in your pocket as long as it does not fall into the category of an enumurated weapon. Some enumurated weapons concerning knives would be stilitos, switch blades and gravity knives. If you want a detailed list look in title 2C chapter 39. It is what you do with the knife that makes the act illegal.
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Sergeant said:
Well, it's obvious you are law enforcement of some kind, possible a troll for them. So I guess you are now going to use all of the technology and information databases at your fingertips to track me down through my ISP to exact revenge against me, or at the least, give a heads up to a law enforcement agency of some kind.
Guess what? I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE OR FEAR, plus I am allowed my opinion. Or do you cops want us not to have that either, along with no one being able to own a gun accept law enforcement? I think that if more private citizens could/would register for a handgun, it would keep the cops more in check. As the years have gone on, and people overall are carrying less firearms, the cops have become more arrogant and cocky because they know the chances of a civilian owning a gun is low. So they have nothing to fear. But if a cop knows you own a gun, let alone multiple guns, they are lest hesitant to fuck with you---I wonder why? Because deadly weapons give power to their owners. That's why some many fat-assed cops, as well as the little stick-boy cops act so tough. Because those guns give them supreme power over even the most built, strongest, UNARMED person they will come across.
Hulkster I was trying to have an educated discussion with you but at least you made me laugh. My post was done to illicit your opinion as you are not the only person with this train of thought. I don't see were you would get that I did not want you to have an opinion. While I do not agree with you I was interested in your thoughts. On the thought that if you have a gun a cop is "less hesitant to fuck with you." I disagree again with you. Once you involve a firearm into any situation discretion goes out the window because of possible severe outcomes. On your contention that a gun gives an individual power, yes the power or ability to protect themselves is good but with any power comes great responsibility. One must not overlook the great responsibility with the ownership of a weapon. At least we have one thing in common. I am against "fat-assed cops" and "little stick boy cops" acting tough. But then I am against anyone acting tough when it is not called for. Cops are a population of people and like all populations you are going to have some ass holes. There are some cops that I want no contact with. As far as guns giving cops supreme power over anyone is ludicris. Do you really think that if say I was some psycho cop, decided to start beating on someone for no reason, then that person gets the best of me, I then shoot that person. Do you really think I would get away with it. Trust me the people doing the investigating would find the truth. By the way sometimes I do think I am a "troll" to what true law enforcement is about. When the phone rings in the middle of the night, waking me and my wife up, I answer the questions, never giving the slightest hint of being bothered. Post some questions, I will even answer yours.
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Oh and Hulkster I know have your Isp. My evil demons will soon be crashing down your door. They will charge you with thoughts against the good of America as we see fit. You will never see the light of day unless you convert into a cop and become a Republican. You must also apologize in the public square for all your evil thoughts.
Just kidding. I wouldn't know what to do with an Isp if you gave it to me much less find it on my own.
Just kidding. I wouldn't know what to do with an Isp if you gave it to me much less find it on my own.
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Sergeant said:
While I think you are doing a very good job of answering important questions and improving my opinion of cops, I will return the favor and correct the opinion of the average law enforcement official who thinks people like me are bleeding-heart liberals. WRONG. I am a "conservative leaning", registered member of the Libertarian Party. I despise Bill Clinton and his cronies, think that the ACLU is an extension of the Communist Party of America, and am against all of these laws being created by Democrats and Republican alike that tax the hell out of Americans in order to fund social programs to get the votes of minorities who are continually dependent on government handouts, take away our right to bear arms and use eminent domain to steal our property at dirt-cheap rates, as well as I, and Libertarians as a whole, are against the federal government's hypocritical laws concerning drugs. Why is tobacco and alchohol completely legal, with no restrictions other than age, while AAS---and soon ephedra----are banned? Because it's about the BILLIONS of dollars in tax revenue collected from the sale of tabacco and alcohol products. And yet the government says they BAN "drugs" like AAS because they are bad for the health of Americans, BUT ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES ARE COMPLETELY LEGAL? It's all about the money. The only difference between a legal drug, and an illegal drug, is whether or not Uncle Sam gets a cut of the action by way of taxation.
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HULKSTER said:
Common dude, you know that Newark is much safer because of gun control.
soprano9mm
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bottom line .....stay the fuck away from cops....I dont care if its your brother...cousin.....whatever....they have a job to do and for the most they will do it no matter what if the right circumstance arises.
Garrett Smith
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The second amendment is the most important. Without it none of the others have effect.
Guns don't provide police with power, the justice system does. The courts and lawyers, are all interconnected. They're all people and people tend toward sloth in this era.
Think about it, next time a cop wants to search you, tell him that you will allow no such thing. Try to defend yourself without a gun. You're a big guy, Hulkster.
You will probably end up in a lot of shit, like I did, not so long ago.
If cops grab you and you resist, they will claim that you initiated violence, or it looked like you had a gun, or you said you had a gun.
There are a lot of ways for police to get away with illegal searches.
So you see, even if guns were legal, the root of the problem is still in the criminal justice system which allows this to carry out.
I'll interpret that as "It is ludicrous to believe that guns give supreme power over ordinary citizens."
To which I disagree. It is not ludicrous. Guns give police opportunity to shoot others. Such opportunity is not available to me, an ordinary citizen.
What is more to my point: Our courts, laws, and procedures
give too much power to police. Such power given to any man invites him to abuse it.
To quote Lord Acton:
I've said my bit
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HULKSTER
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DAMN RIGHT!!
HULKSTER said:
Amen brother, spoke like a true American. Gun control only takes away guns from law abiding citizens. Did you guys hear about the guy in New Jersey recently that shot an intruder that was in his childs room? He got 3 days in jail for it. Can you believe that shit? He got arrested for not having the gun liscensed even though he had tried to get a liscense for it several times in the past. The guy was a straight up law abiding guy who worked 7 days a week to support his children. Then, because of a bullshit gun control law, he goes to jail for shooting a prick that breaks into his house. Imagine if he wouldn't have had the gun what could have happened. America should punish those people who use firearms illegally and not punish the law abiding citizens.
If you don't recall, this is somewhat similar to the Bernard Goetz case in New York City many years ago. Goetz, a Casper Milquetoast type (who, by the way, desperately needed to do a few cycles), was robbed several types in the past on the NYC subways. Quite simply, he was an easy mark. By now, he's mad as hell and isn't going to take it anymore, but to obtain a CCW in NY is impossible. As a result, Goetz is now constrained to begin carrying in violation of law. One night he caps several street hoodlums when they surround, confront and attempt to rob him by brandishing a sharpened screwdriver. When all is said and done, Goetz serves time on handgun charges. But that's not all, he's later hit with a multi-million dollar judgement in the hoodlums' civil suit. A sad state of affairs indeed.
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