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JJFigure
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I don't think your carbs are necessarily too low, but your kcals might be. When I used the BB plan to add muscle, I really had to force myself to eat more kcals. How many kcalories/day are you eating? Are you eating enough fat kcals?
I would also expect you to gain some fat though at a higher kcal level, just not as much you'd gain on a carbohydrate based diet. In 5 weeks of bulking, I put on 4 lbs., but according to my fat calipers, went up in bodyfat by .6%.
I think only an untrained individual could really get leaner and gain mass at the same time on the NHE or on the anabolic diet.
I would also expect you to gain some fat though at a higher kcal level, just not as much you'd gain on a carbohydrate based diet. In 5 weeks of bulking, I put on 4 lbs., but according to my fat calipers, went up in bodyfat by .6%.
I think only an untrained individual could really get leaner and gain mass at the same time on the NHE or on the anabolic diet.
JJFigure
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Sorry - I didn't answer the cardio or ala question. I haven't jumped on the ala boat, so I actually can't answer that question. But as far as cardio, the more kcals I eat, the more intense my cardio is. I was only doing cardio 2-3 times/week, but I was running and pushing the intensity (cause that's the only way I like to run). The fewer kcals I eat, the lower my intensity; mainly because I have no cardio endurance right now. 
I don't think you HAVE to do cardio though, when you are on these diet plans. I mainly do cardio to exercise my heart and lungs, not for fat loss. Even now, while in cutting mode, I consider my cardio a more means of keeping my metabolism elevated than a way to lose fat.
I don't think you HAVE to do cardio though, when you are on these diet plans. I mainly do cardio to exercise my heart and lungs, not for fat loss. Even now, while in cutting mode, I consider my cardio a more means of keeping my metabolism elevated than a way to lose fat.
jj, you think eating 6x day ~2400-2700K DAY I CAN LOSE FAT AND GAIN MUSCLE (oops didnt realize cap lock was on). whatchu think about cycling more like bulking/cutting type diet using a 4:3 or 5:2 ratio instead of <30 carbs day and carb loading on tues and sat nite only like im doing now????
also ive been bitchin' about losing muscle well my bi's used to be (before starting this NHE plan) 14 1/2 " now theyre 12". i just measured them today. i totally freaked. even my mom was like "girrl you are so skinny, your face, chest ...what happened?" great i thought im thinking im not giving myself time to put the muscle on
i just dont wanna get any skinnier. mom is not the only one whos commented. arrrgghhh! help!!
also ive been bitchin' about losing muscle well my bi's used to be (before starting this NHE plan) 14 1/2 " now theyre 12". i just measured them today. i totally freaked. even my mom was like "girrl you are so skinny, your face, chest ...what happened?" great i thought im thinking im not giving myself time to put the muscle on
i just dont wanna get any skinnier. mom is not the only one whos commented. arrrgghhh! help!!
JJFigure
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Actually, what I meant is you can eat 2400-2700 k/day, gain muscle, and put on minimal fat. I honestly don't believe you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. At best, you can gain muscle and not add fat, or add minimal fat. This is one area where I disagree with Faigin. The only time you MAY be able to add muscle and lose fat is if you are an untrained individual, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to you.
IMO, you should bump your kcals and focus on adding muscle.
IMO, you should bump your kcals and focus on adding muscle.
JJFigure
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I honestly would not recommend following a very low carb diet plan for life - including NHE. But I also don't recommend constantly trying to lose weight. If you're trying to lose fat, and low carb diets don't wipe you out, then following a low carb diet to achieve that goal is acceptable. However, at a point you should stop trying to lose fat and just try to maintain weight/body composition.
When maintaining, you should be able to increase your carbs - especially your fibrous carbs - and still be able to maintain weight. On a maintenance plan, you should be eating some fruit, lots of veggies, ideally some dairy, and clean complex carbs. If you start putting on too much fat, you can always drop the complex/starchy carbs for a while until you get back to your maintenance weight.
The debatable issue is whether or not to do the NHE bodybuilding plan or Anabolic diet for building muscle. I have been, since I seem to put on muscle faster on this type of diet. However, I'm also going through rigid diet cycles where I'm losing muscle, then I try to put it back on (and add some) before I have to go back into a cutting cycle. If you're not competing, I don't think you have the same issues. Plus, other women on the boards are successfully using more moderate carb intake during their building cycles (Spatts and MS, to name two). Their carb intake is clean though - that's the difference.
When I've gotten the competing bug out of my system, I plan to go back to a moderate carb intake approach. Of course, who knows when that will be.
When maintaining, you should be able to increase your carbs - especially your fibrous carbs - and still be able to maintain weight. On a maintenance plan, you should be eating some fruit, lots of veggies, ideally some dairy, and clean complex carbs. If you start putting on too much fat, you can always drop the complex/starchy carbs for a while until you get back to your maintenance weight.
The debatable issue is whether or not to do the NHE bodybuilding plan or Anabolic diet for building muscle. I have been, since I seem to put on muscle faster on this type of diet. However, I'm also going through rigid diet cycles where I'm losing muscle, then I try to put it back on (and add some) before I have to go back into a cutting cycle. If you're not competing, I don't think you have the same issues. Plus, other women on the boards are successfully using more moderate carb intake during their building cycles (Spatts and MS, to name two). Their carb intake is clean though - that's the difference.
When I've gotten the competing bug out of my system, I plan to go back to a moderate carb intake approach. Of course, who knows when that will be.
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