How does GH cause 'GH gut'?

[strengthmonster]

I have tried searching but can't find anything. Just interested in knowing how/if I can prevent it, having just started on GH for the first time.

Is it simply due to a scar tissue build up in the abdominal skin due to frequent sub cutaneous injections or is there another reason?

 

[Twisted_Steel]

Strengthmonster, growth hormone makes everythin grow. Lean muscle, bone, and internal organs. When you see "growth gut" your seeing enlarged internal organs pressing against the abdominal wall.

PEACE

 

[Widi]

You become a "GH gut" because your internal organs grow.

To prevent scar tissue you should rotate the inj area. In fact, you HAVE to inject in different places because growth hormone has a local fat burning effect.

 

[strengthmonster]

Interesting. Is this usually only in the guys that have been using massive amounts (such as pros)? Could this lead to problems like enlarged heart then?

Also, so far I've just started using my ab skinfold, should I start rotating on skin folds all over my body?

 

[youngdeltman]

It increases the fat lining around the internal organs, rather than the increase of the organs themselves. This however, isn't bodyfat. As you've seen some users have ripped abs that protrude out further than their chest.

(sorry, I love these icons!)

 

[CCrom]

Remember though, that this is only after prolonged use (years) with high dosages (4-16 I.U./ed) together with high amounts of AS, T3, Insulin IGF-1 a.s.o. Doctor's can often prescribe therapeutic dosages for elder people who try to stay younger and healthier on 1-2 I.U./ed for many months at a time and they may train a lot of cardio also to stay young and healthy, but do not get these "growth-guts".

So, it's a matter of dosages, time and simultaneous use of large amounts of AS that make intestines and heart grow to disproportionate degrees.

Crom

 

[Kahn]

Cool, thanks Crom

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

I wonder how Shawn Ray keeps such a tight waist then? I know he is outspoken against slin use, but he must use GH to get that ripped...

 

[Kahn]

I'd say not too much more than is needed to get the job done. He isn't a monster. If any at all, shit he is the professionals professional, carb starve and don't go too far over in the off season

 

[RoNiN]

Shawn Ray is pretty lean all year around and is always in 10-15 lbs of contest shape. He is very consistent with his diet and with his constant success he know exactly what he needs to do to get into condition.

I don't think he has ever touched GH , if he did he would be alot bigger.

 

[ajc]

Shawn Ray is pretty lean all year around and is always in 10-15 lbs of contest shape. He is very consistent with his diet and with his constant success he know exactly what he needs to do to get into condition.

I don't think he has ever touched GH , if he did he would be alot bigger.

Shawn looked like he was holding a small pond when I saw him last summer...Definitely looked more than 15lbs over contest shape. It was probably just the water though...He definitely was not impressive.

He is very outspoken about guys that "have a big fat potbelly that they can't suck in". So, I'd have to say that he hasn't dabbled with GH...I don't think he will either. In his eyes (and a lot of others) he's earned all the respect he needs and accomplished some great things.

 

[METHYL MIKE]

When gh is injected, it causes a large amount of igf-1 to be produced. Oral steroids also cause igf-1 release, then some pros are also injecting igf-1. So you have a ridiculous amount of igf-1 in your bloodstream, and wouldnt you know it, there are more igf-1 receptors in your gut and small intestines than anywhere else. So where do you think the excess goes??? You guessed it. ALso most steroids-with the exception of tren and anavar-will cause an increase in visceral fat, so combine the two and you get Fuxs' gut!

 

[Island Boy]

Personally, i believe that insulin causes the bloat and not the GH. I am a crazy mofo and I took 12 iu of slin for 12 weeks recently. No Gh . That sucked. I had some dbol with it and i was ripped up but looked to be about 4 mths pregnant.

 

[cockdezl]

METHYL hit the nail on the head, although when you add insulin, and heavy androgens in the mix, the potential for visceral fat accrual is very high.

 

[ironmaster]

Hmm.... "Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 to this discussion is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." (Ney 1999, Yarasheski 1994)

 

[mr.tomatoehead]

Are you guys kidding about Ray and his "hands off" approach with GH. Yeah right. You can bet your life that the guy has used what he needed to be in his condition. I'd believe him more on the slin issue. Even though I think he's probably dabbled just a wee bit with that too. I agree that the guy looks awesome, and he hasn't really changed in the last 10 years dramatically. He came in the 2000 'O in the best shape ever I thought though. I think he was up 5-10 lbs. He's definitely a smart, professional business man, but this is the highest echelon of bodybuilding. And you don't think he wouldn't shy away from at least 4-6i.u./day? You don't automatically come down with GH gut. And I doubt low doses are gonna do it. I don't know what the fuck happened to Fux. He must have hit it all hard (gh, slin, igf-1, etc.) He looked awesome in '97 O. Then he went to shit in a hurry. Back to the topic. I think Ray is probably the most cautious pro out there, but to stay competitive you have to stay in the game no matter how high the bar has been raised. GH has been out for years. I'm sure he's been on it for awhile too.

 

[Big Daddy Ben]

What about oral gh. Is this stuff dosed high enough. I don't do the needle thing so I am always trying to get the correct dossage.

 

[mwmdewes]

Yeah right Shawn Ray hasn't used GH, it's all about amount ...... if you have used GH then u wouldn't know, next thing u going to say his natural. Sure if u live on the stuff you going to get a potbelly

 

[Big Daddy Ben]

My origialnal reply got lost so here goes again. What about oral hgh. Do they dose that high enough. It is hard for me to get a decent dosage sometimes.