How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass?

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So, youre on a cycle putting on weight, and you end the cycle up X amount of pounds. Once the gear gets out of your system how do you know what the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain the new muscle mass?

Or does it not even matter if your body is gonna do what your body is gonna do after a cycle and it will go back to homeostasis precycle weight no matter what. Unless you blast and cruise

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Well no matter what your gonna loose some if you keep 2-5 pounds of mass your doing really well. Mostly what you'll loose is water. However, I just keep the diet in check on a 50-20-30 or such but what Id do is up cals by 500 at a time every 3500 cals = 1.5lb.

Sorry I know this isnt a direct answer but I believe there just isnt one everyone is different.

Likewise here my advice do a 50/20/30 or 40/30/20 or something close x your marcos x 14 for cutt 16 for bulk. So take the weight you want to be so say 220@10%bf so your lbm is 198 x that times 14 or 16 that number will be ur daily marcos to maintain that weight. then just rember your fat = 9 cals protien and carbs are 4 cals

Help? Ah little

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Don't follow percentages for macros like above. When off gear:

1g/lb protein is plenty
0.45g/lb fat is a minimum
Fill remaining calories primarily with carbs

Calories, keep high during PCT. Once you're done PCT gauge your rate of weight gain and adjust calories as needed.

 

[notjake11]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Don't follow percentages for macros like above. When off gear:

1g/lb protein is plenty
0.45g/lb fat is a minimum
Fill remaining calories primarily with carbs

Calories, keep high during PCT. Once you're done PCT gauge your rate of weight gain and adjust calories as needed.

With my lack of experience with AAS, I know not to try to answer a question like this unless I can refer to another very experienced member's advice as the basis for the opinion. Given that you have never actually run a cycle, what are you basing this on? Rippedrev is a well respected poster with substantial experience actually running cycles.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Rippedrev is a well respected poster with substantial experience actually running cycles.

That doesn't change the fact that percentages should never be used when determining macros.

You're using logical fallacies as the basis of your argument.

 

[notjake11]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

That doesn't change the fact that percentages should never be used when determining macros.

You're using logical fallacies as the basis of your argument.

You're using percentages too, just not wording it that way. If someone weighs 200 pounds and is capping their calories at 2000, your 1g/lb is still 40% of their caloric intake. You may not use those words, but you're still giving a macro balance. Your guidelines would tell that person to eat at least 90g of fats, which is also 40% of their caloric intake. Changing the wording doesn't change the fact that you're giving percentage guidlines still.

And I reiterate that you shouldn't be making recommendations on something you have no actual experience with. I have 20 years of diet and training history to call on with my clients and will advise them but I know nothing about AAS and wouldn't dare try to recommend ideal diet for someone coming off PCT given I don't have the info or experience.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

You're using percentages too, just not wording it that way. If someone weighs 200 pounds and is capping their calories at 2000, your 1g/lb is still 40% of their caloric intake. You may not use those words, but you're still giving a macro balance. Your guidelines would tell that person to eat at least 90g of fats, which is also 40% of their caloric intake. Changing the wording doesn't change the fact that you're giving percentage guidlines still.

Wow, just wow.

1. What 200lb male, who lifts weights, would eat 2,000kcal? It would be closer to 4,000kcal in reality.

2. 40/40/20 is a percentage split. 50/30/20 is a percentage split. 1g/b protein & 0.45g/lb fat are requirements based of people's weight & LBM, not a percentage of their diet. How on earth can you not comprehend that?

 

[bigbassturd]

Wow, just wow.

1. What 200lb male, who lifts weights, would eat 2,000kcal? It would be closer to 4,000kcal in reality.

2. 40/40/20 is a percentage split. 50/30/20 is a percentage split. 1g/b protein & 0.45g/lb fat are requirements based of people's weight & LBM, not a percentage of their diet. How on earth can you not comprehend that?

How on earth can you not comprehend that you are still giving a percentage split, just not breaking it down to a 3 way number? You're doing the exact same thing, except you're wording it differently, and you're WAY off on macro intake for a healthy diet.

 

[notjake11]

How on earth can you not comprehend that you are still giving a percentage split, just not breaking it down to a 3 way number? You're doing the exact same thing, except you're wording it differently, and you're WAY off on macro intake for a healthy diet.

Exactly.

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[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

How on earth can you not comprehend that you are still giving a percentage split, just not breaking it down to a 3 way number? You're doing the exact same thing, except you're wording it differently, and you're WAY off on macro intake for a healthy diet.

Oh lord. Obviously the outcome will be a percentage of his overall diet, but the macros do not change if the calories change. There are specific requirements regardless of caloric intake. Macros are based on bodyweight & LBM, not a percentage of calories.

It's like talking to children.

And if you think I'm way off, then what are your recommendations? I'd love to hear how all the research behind the protein and fat recommendations are wrong, how people like Alan Aragon, Eric Helms, Lyle McDonald, Emma Leigh, are all wrong. Enlighten me.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

How on earth can you not comprehend that you are still giving a percentage split, just not breaking it down to a 3 way number? You're doing the exact same thing, except you're wording it differently, and you're WAY off on macro intake for a healthy diet.

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[TheRippedReverend]

Wow, just wow.

1. What 200lb male, who lifts weights, would eat 2,000kcal? It would be closer to 4,000kcal in reality.

2. 40/40/20 is a percentage split. 50/30/20 is a percentage split. 1g/b protein & 0.45g/lb fat are requirements based of people's weight & LBM, not a percentage of their diet. How on earth can you not comprehend that?

Uh???

No shit its a split you want to know how many carbs protien and fats on a daily intake.

 

[bigbassturd]

Try reading it again bud!

50/20/30

Im not gonna do everything for everyone they can add!

Not hard to figure grams of f
Protien, carbs, and fat!

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the guy who said you were wrong, and then did exactly what you did

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[bigbassturd]

It's like talking to children.

We were having a discussion, this shit doesn't fly on this site. I advise you to watch who you disrespect in this section of EF.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the guy who said you were wrong, and then did exactly what you did

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Sorry bud. Man I was like wtf am wrong? From BB? i read my shit like 10 times although horrible write up on my part was in a hurry.

 

[bigbassturd]

Sorry bud. Man I was like wtf am wrong? From BB? i read my shit like 10 times although horrible write up on my part was in a hurry.

haha yeah you know me better bro! No worries.

I like your approach though, I always keep my macros the same, just increase total maintenance calories by 500 for the cycle, and then continue that afterwards to sustain new mass.

A huge problem guys have is they'll weigh 190, run a cycle, gain to 200 and then keep eating like they're still 190. It doesn't work that way, you have to continue to eat more food than before.

500 cals is a decent bump in your number, and you can play with it either way to suit your personal needs.

Tough question to amswer really, as everyone is so different

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I dont know where i got that from could of sworn you quoted me

K hit when i get to my cpu for bb

 

[TheRippedReverend]

haha yeah you know me better bro! No worries.

I like your approach though, I always keep my macros the same, just increase total maintenance calories by 500 for the cycle, and then continue that afterwards to sustain new mass.

A huge problem guys have is they'll weigh 190, run a cycle, gain to 200 and then keep eating like they're still 190. It doesn't work that way, you have to continue to eat more food than before.

500 cals is a decent bump in your number, and you can play with it either way to suit your personal needs.

Tough question to amswer really, as everyone is so different

Yeah, I do thats why I was like what!? BB b having a bad day lol was gonna ask if you were on tren lol

Then I realized it was just my dumbass lol. I knowz my weights but I cantz read.

Anyway, I think most of us here were taught dont cut the wood too short. Cut it longer so if you need to you can cut it again to the correct length. In theory meaning that 500 cals extra not were you wanna be? Add anther 500..... Keep adding if needed untill desired results.

The thing is everyones motab is different so marcos is hard and they dont realize you gotta learn ur body. Me I eat 3200 cals ed and am at 220-223@11% Natty someone else eat the same exact way, train ect.... and be 200 trail and error I say

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the guy who said you were wrong, and then did exactly what you did

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How is 1g/lb protein for a 200lb male, the same as saying eat 50% of your calories from protein.

One of them is constant regardless of caloric intake and based off bodyweight/LBM. The other is an arbritrary and forever changing number because your calories dictate it, not your bodies needs. You get it now?

Uh???

No shit its a split you want to know how many carbs protien and fats on a daily intake.

Yes and you should not be basing it off of a percentage of your totla calories. they should be calculated by dietary requirements through bodyweight and LBM.

EG Your way:

2 200lb Male.
A eats 2,000kcal. B eats 4,000kcal.
Person A with 50 % protein eats 250g protein. Person B eats 500g protein.
2 totally different numbers for 2 of the same people just because you based it off a % of their calories.

In reality they both only need ~200g protein. Those calories could be better spent elsewhere.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

How is 1g/lb protein for a 200lb male, the same as saying eat 50% of your calories from protein.

One of them is constant regardless of caloric intake and based off bodyweight/LBM. The other is an arbritrary and forever changing number because your calories dictate it, not your bodies needs. You get it now?



Yes and you should not be basing it off of a percentage of your totla calories. they should be calculated by dietary requirements through bodyweight and LBM.

EG Your way:

2 200lb Male.
A eats 2,000kcal. B eats 4,000kcal.
Person A with 50 % protein eats 250g protein. Person B eats 500g protein.
2 totally different numbers for 2 of the same people just because you based it off a % of their calories.

In reality they both only need ~200g protein. Those calories could be better spent elsewhere.

Your lost bro.

Hey do your thing we'll do ours. Got over a decade of doing this not gonna argue.

How you cant understand this is beyond me really!? Its laid out cold! Its not the same! As you have your numbers make no sense

A. Pick your body weight you want to be

B. Pick the body fat you want to be

C. X body fat X desired weight

D. Take away total of body fat this will equal your LBM!

E. Take lbm and x that number by 14 or 16 this will be total marcos

F. Divide that marcos by your 50/20/30 protien carbs fats

G. Whatever 50% is of marcos divide by 4 bc 4cals = per gram of protien

Thats how its done am clueless as to what your trying to get at or do lead alone explain bc your still doing a percent but you saying dont do a percent so forth!!!

And how the hell you get a 200lb person eatting 2000 or 4000 cals and the same protien?! This is beside me really are you trolling?

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Your lost bro.

Hey do your thing we'll do ours. Got over a decade of doing this not gonna argue.

How you cant understand this is beyond me really!? Its laid out cold! Its not the same! As you have your numbers make no sense

A. Pick your body weight you want to be

B. Pick the body fat you want to be

C. X body fat X desired weight

D. Take away total of body fat this will equal your LBM!

E. Take lbm and x that number by 14 or 16 this will be total marcos

F. Divide that marcos by your 50/20/30 protien carbs fats

G. Whatever 50% is of marcos divide by 4 bc 4cals = per gram of protien

Thats how its done am clueless as to what your trying to get at or do lead alone explain bc your still doing a percent but you saying dont do a percent so forth!!!

And how the hell you get a 200lb person eatting 2000 or 4000 cals and the same protien?! This is beside me really are you trolling?

That whole post just shows how extremely little you actually know about nutritional science.

First I'll address how a 200lb has the same protein requirements in two diets. Protein dietary requirements are a function of bodyweight and more importantly LBM. All the research (and there's lots, eg: Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes: Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes

Effect of Protein Intake on Strength, Body Composition and Endocrine Changes in Strength/Power Athletes: JISSN | Full text | Effect of Protein Intake on Strength, Body Composition and Endocrine Changes in Strength/Power Athletes ) show this. The research also quite clearly indicates that eating more protein than 1.8g/kg (0.82g/lb) has no additional benefit to muscular or strength gains. Therefore, protein requirements should be set around these targets regardless of caloric intake.

Secondly, that's extremely inaccurate method to try figure out total calories. A better one is the Katch McArdle and then multiply by an activity. Even then it's an estimate and you should monitor weight changes and adjust accordingly to give you a better understanding.

I've already addressed in previous posts why %s don't work. Read them again. You can quite easily end up with extremely over-the-top protein recommendations and potentially levels of dietary fat that are hazardous to health.

And yes, I can see you are clueless.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

That whole post just shows how extremely little you actually know about nutritional science.

First I'll address how a 200lb has the same protein requirements in two diets. Protein dietary requirements are a function of bodyweight and more importantly LBM. All the research (and there's lots, eg: Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes: Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes

Effect of Protein Intake on Strength, Body Composition and Endocrine Changes in Strength/Power Athletes: JISSN | Full text | Effect of Protein Intake on Strength, Body Composition and Endocrine Changes in Strength/Power Athletes ) show this. The research also quite clearly indicates that eating more protein than 1.8g/kg (0.82g/lb) has no additional benefit to muscular or strength gains. Therefore, protein requirements should be set around these targets regardless of caloric intake.

Secondly, that's extremely inaccurate method to try figure out total calories. A better one is the Katch McArdle and then multiply by an activity. Even then it's an estimate and you should monitor weight changes and adjust accordingly to give you a better understanding.

I've already addressed in previous posts why %s don't work. Read them again. You can quite easily end up with extremely over-the-top protein recommendations and potentially levels of dietary fat that are hazardous to health.

And yes, I can see you are clueless.

Your clueless

Am done here like I said do what you do. There is no way to get correct marcos trail in error till desired results.

You can post all the wiki bullshit you want kid! There is not science proven on nutrition. Everyone is different motab, physic size structure, digestive, ect....

You can feed a 200lb male same protien as 220-240 shows me just how dumb you are proly taking to some 160lb kid anyway some rwally dont matter to me. What I do works and this is what all my NPC buddys have done

Latter

You mad bro?

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

owned!!!

mofo

lmfao!!!!

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Your clueless

Am done here like I said do what you do. There is no way to get correct marcos trail in error till desired results.

You can post all the wiki bullshit you want kid! There is not science proven on nutrition. Everyone is different motab, physic size structure, digestive, ect....

You can feed a 200lb male same protien as 220-240 shows me just how dumb you are proly taking to some 160lb kid anyway some rwally dont matter to me. What I do works and this is what all my NPC buddys have done

Latter

You mad bro?

1. You have very poor reading comprehension. I'm clueless? The opposite seems to be true.

2. There is a way to work out macros. I just showed you what all the research says.

3. Wow, ignorance is bliss. Please show where I ever posted anything from wiki. Now you're lying too. And I provided peer reviewed research that has been replicated.

4. I never said a 200lb male would need the same as a 220-240. Either you can't read, are lying, or are just plain ignorant. I said a 200lb male has the same protein requirements regardless of caloric intake.

You, my friend, have been owned.

I'm not trying to cause an argument, merely trying to educate you a bit more on your misconceptions whne it comes to nutrition.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Here's a direct quote from emma leigh regarding fat intake:

Fats: Generally speaking, although the body can get away with short periods of very low fat, in the long run your body NEEDS fat to maintain general health, satiety, and sanity. However, the guidelines for fat requirements are very hard to find, and most of the time they are 'forgotten' until the end of traditional equations. But there are some studies that suggest the following:

If you are following a 'normal distribution' of intake then something between 1g and 2g per Kg bodyweight (0.4-0.9g per pound total weight) is a good starting figure. If you are overweight, then something between 0.66 and 1.8g per kg lean weight (0.35-0.8g per pound) may be more appropriate.
Note 1: Total fat intake is NOT the same as 'essential fats' (essential fats are specific TYPES of fats that are INCLUDED in your total fat intake).
Note 2: For those who are on LOW carb diets, or those who have SPECIAL NEEDS - fat intakes CAN BE HIGHER with values up 2.2g per kg (1g per pound) can be used.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

1. You have very poor reading comprehension. I'm clueless? The opposite seems to be true.

2. There is a way to work out macros. I just showed you what all the research says.

3. Wow, ignorance is bliss. Please show where I ever posted anything from wiki. Now you're lying too. And I provided peer reviewed research that has been replicated.

4. I never said a 200lb male would need the same as a 220-240. Either you can't read, are lying, or are just plain ignorant. I said a 200lb male has the same protein requirements regardless of caloric intake.

You, my friend, have been owned.

I'm not trying to cause an argument, merely trying to educate you a bit more on your misconceptions whne it comes to nutrition.

All I can see is the owned banner

I dont give a shit about your wiki bull shit

Bye now

 

[TheRippedReverend]

The difference between you and me is I know bc I do=have done!

You THiNK you know bc of some internet search lmfao!

This is what all my buddies do for NPC but you prolly think that stands for National Porn Convention I guess.

Your trying to teach me!? Lol son, am way beyond you dude you sound like the guy at the gym that took a 9hr nutrition class and boom I KNOW it all.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

The difference between you and me is I know bc I do=have done!

You THiNK you know bc of some internet search lmfao!

This is what all my buddies do for NPC but you prolly think that stands for National Porn Convention I guess.

Your trying to teach me!? Lol son, am way beyond you dude you sound like the guy at the gym that took a 9hr nutrition class and boom I KNOW it all.

Again you mention wiki. Maybe that's where you get your information but I'm beyond both that, and you.

1. You don't know me so you explanation of the difference between us is unjustified and nonsense. The differences are, I am open minded, can acknowledge when I'm wrong/mistaken, take on board new research, listen to more accomplished individuals, follow the latest nutritional and training research. You just spout broscience.

2. I know plenty of successful natural bodybuilders. Look at Eric Helms, Alberto Nunez, Layne Norton, Jeff Alberts, Matt Ogus, Milone. All of these actually know about nutritional and training science. But, that really means nothing. If the biggest, most jacked guy in bodybuilding told you olive oil is the best source of protein, would that make it true just because he said it? That's the basis of your argument. Logical fallacy.

3. And I have not said anything that could be taught in a 9hr nutrition class. That's the type of misinformation that you seem to be saying.

The science, the evidence, the research, everything all supports what I say. You have nothing. Seriously, read up on what I've said. You'll start to learn a lot more and only improve. If you wish to be ignorant and ignore hard, scientific evidence and think you are a special snowflake, then so be it.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Again you mention wiki. Maybe that's where you get your information but I'm beyond both that, and you.

1. You don't know me so you explanation of the difference between us is unjustified and nonsense. The differences are, I am open minded, can acknowledge when I'm wrong/mistaken, take on board new research, listen to more accomplished individuals, follow the latest nutritional and training research. You just spout broscience.

2. I know plenty of successful natural bodybuilders. Look at Eric Helms, Alberto Nunez, Layne Norton, Jeff Alberts, Matt Ogus, Milone. All of these actually know about nutritional and training science. But, that really means nothing. If the biggest, most jacked guy in bodybuilding told you olive oil is the best source of protein, would that make it true just because he said it? That's the basis of your argument. Logical fallacy.

3. And I have not said anything that could be taught in a 9hr nutrition class. That's the type of misinformation that you seem to be saying.

The science, the evidence, the research, everything all supports what I say. You have nothing. Seriously, read up on what I've said. You'll start to learn a lot more and only improve. If you wish to be ignorant and ignore hard, scientific evidence and think you are a special snowflake, then so be it.

Ummm.... Ok. Lol at broscience! My stats speak for there self. So thanks for teaching lecture.


Show ya rite.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

My stats speak for there self.

Another logical fallacy. Thus reinforcing my position as the more reputable/knowledgeable poster.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Another logical fallacy. Thus reinforcing my position as the more reputable/knowledgeable poster.

Ok.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Ok.

It's fine. Go away for a few days, do some research and try find something to back up your claims. I'll be happy to look at it.

 

[notjake11]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

2. I know plenty of successful natural bodybuilders. Look at Eric Helms, Alberto Nunez, Layne Norton, Jeff Alberts, Matt Ogus, Milone. All of these actually know about nutritional and training science. But, that really means nothing. If the biggest, most jacked guy in bodybuilding told you olive oil is the best source of protein, would that make it true just because he said it? That's the basis of your argument. Logical fallacy.

The thread is about what/how to eat AFTER A CYCLE.

What relevance does you knowing natural bodybuilders have to the conversation?
None.

What experience do those natural bodybuilders have with diet post-AAS?
None.

What experience do you have with training or eating after a cycle?
None.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

It's fine. Go away for a few days, do some research and try find something to back up your claims. I'll be happy to look at it.

Go back to bb.com get that shit out of here this is EF a hardcore AAS forum.

Post up!!

Research??? I dont need research Ive learned from teail and error

Now read


Amwetoddid
Amwetoddid

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Research??? I dont need research Ive learned from teail and error

Point proven.....

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Are all the members from bodybuilding.com this dumb?

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Are all the members from bodybuilding.com this dumb?

If by 'dumb' you mean have a better understanding of nutritional and training science and know how to apply it to the real world then no, not all.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

The thread is about what/how to eat AFTER A CYCLE.

What relevance does you knowing natural bodybuilders have to the conversation?
None.

What experience do those natural bodybuilders have with diet post-AAS?
None.

What experience do you have with training or eating after a cycle?
None.

It was relevant to the post I was responding to....

Fine, but that doesn't change the fundamental argument here.

Peer-reviewed scientific research > 'experience' every time......

 

[TheRippedReverend]

It was relevant to the post I was responding to....

Fine, but that doesn't change the fundamental argument here.

Peer-reviewed scientific research > 'experience' every time......

Bc look at your posts man the shit you come up with seriously your 21 dude you have no experience bro! Am 31 ive got 15 years under my belt.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Bc look at your posts man the shit you come up with seriously your 21 dude you have no experience bro! Am 31 ive got 15 years under my belt.

I didn't come up with it. Leading PHD nutritionists and researchers have.

Like I said:

Peer reviewed scientific research > experience

 

[notjake11]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I didn't come up with it. Leading PHD nutritionists and researchers have.

Like I said:

Peer reviewed scientific research > experience

And what you fail to understand is that very little, if any, of the peer reviewed research you keep claiming supports your position is done on people using AAS. Therefore it's almost all completely irrelevant.

Studies are rarely done on those using AAS because AAS are illegal. They are also publicly frowned upon, particularly in the era of PED in major sports. As a result, there is no funding to support research into AAS or the effects of different compounds/diets on those using AAS.

Even after being on just one cycle, and that a minor one, I can tell you that everything in your body works differently when you are using AAS. I've been a trainer and worked with clients on their diets and nutrition on and off for close to 20 years. I've personally lost over 80 pounds after a decade of working in corporate America and am very in tune with how my body works - how to manipulate it, how to gain muscle, how to burn fat, etc. Introducing AAS changed absolutely everything. Every single thing - strength, size, diet, appetite, water intake, carb/protein needs, sleep. Every aspect of your life is altered by the introduction of AAS into your system.

So all of the research you keep quoting is about as useless as can be. You made a big deal of discrediting the studies quoted in the BCAA thread because they weren't done on people taking in higher than average levels of protein. But here you seem to think it's ok to use basic nutritional principles for natural athletes as being applicable to those using AAS. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Given that there is no research on this issue, the only way we can get the information we need is to work TOGETHER as a COMMUNITY sharing our experience with different things. Each of us is conducting our own experiment with one subject. Sharing the results contributes to the community's knowledge and helps everyone out. Acting like a know-it-all prick spouting information about a subject you have no experience with doesn't contribute in any meaningful or useful way.

Does rippedrev have a degree in nutrition or published research on macro nutrients? No
Has rippedrev run multiple cycles and experienced what happens to his body when foreign substances are introduced? Yes

So realistically you have two options. You can work towards being a contributing and useful member of the community by accepting that most of what you know doesn't apply to the world of AAS and needs to be considered in that light. Or you can continue to be an arrogant prick allienating everyone you come across until you are eventually banned from the site completely.

Choice is yours.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

And what you fail to understand is that very little, if any, of the peer reviewed research you keep claiming supports your position is done on people using AAS. Therefore it's almost all completely irrelevant.

I stopped reading after this as I clearly stated any information was for people off gear, not on.

 

[notjake11]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I stopped reading after this as I clearly stated any information was for people off gear, not on.

Which just means that your posts were completely useless, irrelevant and probably should have been deleted from the thread. The original post was from someone coming off a cycle and asked questions in the context of AAS usage - post-cycle in this case. So all your posts were nothing more than you spouting off information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

And that's why I pointed out in one of the first posts in the thread that you have no knowledge or background in this particular area. Nothing you've said in this thread has any bearing on those using AAS.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I smell bant camp

 

[ledhead]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

So, youre on a cycle putting on weight, and you end the cycle up X amount of pounds. Once the gear gets out of your system how do you know what the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain the new muscle mass?

Or does it not even matter if your body is gonna do what your body is gonna do after a cycle and it will go back to homeostasis precycle weight no matter what. Unless you blast and cruise

I'm not in the business of helping people; I disowned being a humanitarian a long time ago. However, I have known you for a long time and I like you. Therefore, I don't mind giving you some suggestions..

You can keep a good amount of your gains. Your questions are sort of broad and there is NO exact formula that will help you keep the muscle you gained. The information that was given so far is purely anecdotal; I can give you a couple different methods to try that will help you preserve a decent amount of muscle..What were/are your stats while on cycle and what was/is your diet like while on the sauce? Give me this info Dave, so I could give you a rough estimation on how to adjust things accordingly to adapt correctly to hormonal regression, that will help you maintain as much muscle as possible. It would be virtually impossible to give you a precise estimation. But I can suggest a few ideas that could help you keep a good amount of your gains. Recovery protein assimilation and cortisol levels become issues when coming off. So, that's the premise we will work from...

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

Which just means that your posts were completely useless, irrelevant and probably should have been deleted from the thread. The original post was from someone coming off a cycle and asked questions in the context of AAS usage - post-cycle in this case. So all your posts were nothing more than you spouting off information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

And that's why I pointed out in one of the first posts in the thread that you have no knowledge or background in this particular area. Nothing you've said in this thread has any bearing on those using AAS.

Wrong again. My posts were entirely useful, relevant and should not be deleted because it's true. One should not figure out macros based off a percentage of overall calories. They should be based on bodyweight and LBM.

Again, the discussion of diet while on AAS is not the topic at hand. Maybe you should read over the last few pages. It's how he derived the macros, which is incorrect.

 

[germaine91]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I'm not in the business of helping people; I disowned being a humanitarian a long time ago. However, I have known you for a long time and I like you. Therefore, I don't mind giving you some suggestions..

You can keep a good amount of your gains. Your questions are sort of broad and there is NO exact formula that will help you keep the muscle you gained. The information that was given so far is purely anecdotal; I can give you a couple different methods to try that will help you preserve a decent amount of muscle..What were/are your stats while on cycle and what was/is your diet like while on the sauce? Give me this info Dave, so I could give you a rough estimation on how to adjust things accordingly to adapt correctly to hormonal regression, that will help you maintain as much muscle as possible. It would be virtually impossible to give you a precise estimation. But I can suggest a few ideas that could help you keep a good amount of your gains. Recovery protein assimilation and cortisol levels become issues when coming off. So, that's the premise we will work from...

I'd recommend listening to this guy over Reverend OP.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I'd recommend listening to this guy over Reverend OP.

This is the third thread today that you have turned into a fuckin mess...cock measuring contest/drama.

Bant untill you learn how to stop this BS.

 

[emdadshithi]

Re: How do you know the right amount of calories and macro ratio to maintain new mass

I think feeling better or worse in the working time is the right measure.