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can u maintain your catholic or christian religion(if u are either) even though the church has denounced the practice of homosexuality as a sin?
Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
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CollegeKid
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my uncle is flamingly gay, yet a very strict catholic. so i'd say yes. doesn't make much sense tho, huh?
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ajtomasi
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very good point gymtime.
SofaGeorge
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My understanding of the logic is - a mass murderer and pedophile can be a good Catholic. He just has to go to confession.
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SofaGeorge said:
its good to be agnostic....grill them all and let them figure out who is right
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And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And it's name it said on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And it's name it said on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.
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beastboy said:
Yes, but repenting means stopping the sin.
It's not to say you won't ever sin again, but not to keep living the same sin continuously.
big_bad_buff
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Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
I don't think you can be a christian homosexual. you would either have to be a christian, or a homosexual. your either with jesus, or you are without him, you cannot be neutral. but your right, homo's are just as much sinners as liars, thieves etc. i'm sure all sin has the same color in gods eyes. so check yourself before you guys start pointing at others if you call yourself christian.
gymtime said:
I don't think you can be a christian homosexual. you would either have to be a christian, or a homosexual. your either with jesus, or you are without him, you cannot be neutral. but your right, homo's are just as much sinners as liars, thieves etc. i'm sure all sin has the same color in gods eyes. so check yourself before you guys start pointing at others if you call yourself christian.
gymtime
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Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
Oh I think you can. But I think it's gotta be toughest to be a homosexual catholic, given the repentance issue. Most gays don't repent their actions. Many denominations seem to at least tolerate that, whereas catholics still don't.
big_bad_buff said:
Oh I think you can. But I think it's gotta be toughest to be a homosexual catholic, given the repentance issue. Most gays don't repent their actions. Many denominations seem to at least tolerate that, whereas catholics still don't.
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beastboy said:
Hello? Is there an echo in here?! (heh heh)
So, beastboy, do you repent for your homosexual acts?
ajtomasi said:
that boy needs to be fed.
Actually, why would they not be able to remain strict Catholics or whatever? Before you call homosexuality a sin, keep in mind that you are passing judgement on one of God's creatures. So are you saying that God made a mistake? And don't try to hide behind the "it's a choice" excuse. It is not. It is simply how you are born. Sexual orientation is as genetically determined as eye and hair color.
Otherwise, every homo on earth is guranteed a place in heaven automatically, hence it was God who goofed up and made us this way. Maybe we will get 70 virgins too. With hairy chests and legs.
It amazes me that the church and it's followers can decide what is and what is not a sin. If you only saw exactly how a church really works... it is no different than politics. When I first arrived in FTL, I dated a Catholic Priest for 9 months. Once you get exposed to the backstage workings of a church, you will see it is nothing more than a business just like Walmart or Dilliards.
Organized religion = chaotic brainwashing.
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AAP said:
Some hot cock?
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beastboy said:
Me to!
notoriousQQ
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This is the single gayest thing I have ever seen in my entire life
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AAP said:
lol......
If you only saw exactly how a church really works... it is no different than politics. Once you get exposed to the backstage workings of a church, you will see it is nothing more than a business just like Walmart or Dilliards.
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That's true. I have served on the Deacon Board at my church and you wouldn't believe what goes on behind the doors.
Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
Are you sure? How do you know? because christian leaders come on tv and tell you so? You follow them? Aren't they the ones getting caught for fraught, theft, affairs, illegitimate parenthood suits? From the mouth of a sinner comes judgement on whether or not other people are sinners. Accurate?
I'm gay. Where is my sin? For loving a fellow creature of God's that happens to be the same sex. Ok... if so.... then who is bearing the burden of this sin? My parents? God? It was one of these two who made me this way. I didn't ask for it. I don't remember being given a choice. This is how I was born. This is who I am. Not my fault. Gee, I guess I "could" live my life alone and miserable and depressed.... but what kind of appreciation would that be towards God for giving me life in the first place?
Wow... homosexuality is the first sin you can commit and have someone else get the blame for it.
big_bad_buff said:
Are you sure? How do you know? because christian leaders come on tv and tell you so? You follow them? Aren't they the ones getting caught for fraught, theft, affairs, illegitimate parenthood suits? From the mouth of a sinner comes judgement on whether or not other people are sinners. Accurate?
I'm gay. Where is my sin? For loving a fellow creature of God's that happens to be the same sex. Ok... if so.... then who is bearing the burden of this sin? My parents? God? It was one of these two who made me this way. I didn't ask for it. I don't remember being given a choice. This is how I was born. This is who I am. Not my fault. Gee, I guess I "could" live my life alone and miserable and depressed.... but what kind of appreciation would that be towards God for giving me life in the first place?
Wow... homosexuality is the first sin you can commit and have someone else get the blame for it.
beastboy said:
You think so?
Going to church, singing some hymns, putting a dollar or two in the collection plate... that brings you closer to God?
Why?
Frankly, I feel closer to God when standing on a mountain and the view goes for miles and miles, or sitting on the beach and the ocean lapping around my feet, or just by going to the zoo and seeing up close the other creatures God has made.
Your journey to God is a spiritual one that comes from within. No one can lead you there. Get real. If that were possible, preachers would be charging by the bushel loads for their services.
big_bad_buff
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
i'm saying for this issue(homo's) is a sin pretty much like any other sin. but yet you live it daily being a homo, it is a life style, a choice, a choice they choose over god every day. do you love your sin more than god? you have the choice to sin or not to sin everyday, they choose sin every single day over god knowing their sinning. IMObeastboy said:
akrama
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Is homosexuality a learned behaviour or is it genetically determined?
I've run into people who say they knew it since childhood which leads me to believe genetics has something to do with it. If that's the case, I don't see a cure for it unless you ulter someone's DNA or something. If it's learned, then you can steer someone's mind any direction. I just don't see how it's learned cause I can't imagine anyone convincing me to love anything but pussy !!
My two cents !!!
I've run into people who say they knew it since childhood which leads me to believe genetics has something to do with it. If that's the case, I don't see a cure for it unless you ulter someone's DNA or something. If it's learned, then you can steer someone's mind any direction. I just don't see how it's learned cause I can't imagine anyone convincing me to love anything but pussy !!
My two cents !!!
AAP said:
Don't be dick.....oops, too late.
You do your thing to be closer to God, I'll do mine. Do you donate to charity? I did, it was called Church. Do you belong to a club? I did, it was called my church. Don't criticise me because I chose to believe, attend, and support something that I believed in and you don't. I don't attend church now, but that doesn't mean I am less closer to God. Are there bad churches out? Yes, I believe there are, but not all churches are an organized crime group like you would want to believe. If my journy with God comes from within and I choose to share that with a group of people in church, what is wrong with that?
the nature boy
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
how do you know it's a choice? are you gay?
big_bad_buff said:
how do you know it's a choice? are you gay?
the nature boy
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
seriously?
btw this whole thing with posts being out of order is as annoying as all the other crap related to this board.
Darktooth said:
seriously?
btw this whole thing with posts being out of order is as annoying as all the other crap related to this board.
gymtime
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
Agreed. I don't think it's inherently a sin either. But the church does. And that's why it's difficult for gays to be active in church, or remain Christians (especially Catholic), which was the point I was making.
AAP said:
Agreed. I don't think it's inherently a sin either. But the church does. And that's why it's difficult for gays to be active in church, or remain Christians (especially Catholic), which was the point I was making.
beastboy said:
What did your church do with your money? Whose pocket did it go in? Or was it just used to pay "bills". What good came from your money? Do you even know?
The Easter Bonnet Party I held on Palm Sunday (like every year) raised $9300 for a HIV shelter. That's right. Something I did, in my own home. And I know EXACTLY where the money went. Where is your money?
You can argue that because this money came from other people, this donation was as indirect as your own, but what do you donate specifically for your fellow man? Every month I pay $320 so my neighbor can afford to send her deaf son to a private learning facility and not an inadequate public school. Is your money meeting needs like this?
The problem with sharing your "journey within" with a group of church people is very simple. 99% of them believe that without a church you can't get to heaven.
Saying a church is in business to lead people to heaven is like saying McDonalds is in business to feed the world.
FreeballinDC
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
Being gay is a choice? Tell me, did you wake up one morning and make the choice to be straight?
Was it like, "I think I'll bang me some poon today, right after I eat my Cocoa Puffs and watch Alf"?
Think about it, you were hardwired to be straight from the beginning.
It's the same for gays.
big_bad_buff said:
Being gay is a choice? Tell me, did you wake up one morning and make the choice to be straight?
Was it like, "I think I'll bang me some poon today, right after I eat my Cocoa Puffs and watch Alf"?
Think about it, you were hardwired to be straight from the beginning.
It's the same for gays.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
maybe it was gods choice for you to be destined for hell at birth
I dont know man, what about born retards? what about people born with a dick and a pussy? what about people born with niether? people born psycho killers etc I have always wondered about this subject. i have heard many gays say it was and wasn't a choice. but most say they know it's a sin. it is a choice though. you choose to get out of bed everyday
AAP said:
maybe it was gods choice for you to be destined for hell at birth
I dont know man, what about born retards? what about people born with a dick and a pussy? what about people born with niether? people born psycho killers etc I have always wondered about this subject. i have heard many gays say it was and wasn't a choice. but most say they know it's a sin. it is a choice though. you choose to get out of bed everydayAAP said:
Hardly my point....I didn't mean for this to turn into a "brag about what I have and do thread", which most of your posts turn into. What I was saying that I donate to my church...very optional. I know that money was going to pay bills...we met in a old school and sat in metal folding chairs....my father was the chairman and there were many times the church barley got by. So don't belittle me by acting like I am clueless.
Be proud you donate....good thing you threw a dollar figure in there too, because I think so much more of you now.
Meeting needs? Whose needs? Yours? Very likely that is what you are talking about.
You are being quite hypocritical. You expect people to accept homosexuality while remaining completely close-minded about christianity.
beastboy said:
Hardly my point....I didn't mean for this to turn into a "brag about what I have and do thread", which most of your posts turn into. What I was saying that I donate to my church...very optional. I know that money was going to pay bills...we met in a old school and sat in metal folding chairs....my father was the chairman and there were many times the church barley got by. So don't belittle me by acting like I am clueless.
Be proud you donate....good thing you threw a dollar figure in there too, because I think so much more of you now.
Meeting needs? Whose needs? Yours? Very likely that is what you are talking about.
You are being quite hypocritical. You expect people to accept homosexuality while remaining completely close-minded about christianity.
hardly. so in your own words... your donation did nothing really but help - what?- the CHURCH scrape by. Your donation didn't really feed starving children or farm crops for Ethiopians? Your money stayed in the church. Ok... gotcha...... God would be so proud. Instead of helping out his creatures, you helped an inanimate object "the church". Ok.... now in reality, you guys could have met in each other's homes and saved a bunch of money to donate for other things.
Christianity is a choice. Homosexuality is not. Go blame God if you don't see it that way.
As far as the needs, you can re-read my posting and see I have gone out of my way directly and indirectly to meet the needs of others. Have you my good Christian Brother?
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Is masturbation a sin? Because if it is, I'm fucked. 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
Lord I hope so. Because if hell is full of gays.... then the men are going to be buff, the music is going to be pumping and the drugs are going to be kick ass.
big_bad_buff said:
maybe it was gods choice for you to be destined for hell at birth
Lord I hope so. Because if hell is full of gays.... then the men are going to be buff, the music is going to be pumping and the drugs are going to be kick ass.
AAP said:
You are missing the ENTIRE point I was making. I never once attacked homosexuality....the reason I don't like you doesn't have anything to do with you being gay.
Do you spend money on things you enjoy? Of course you do.....you let us all hear about it everyday, with pictures. I gave to a church because I enjoyed it, and keep it running. That in turn helped people cope with everyday struggles and find faith. It helps my dad deal with his MS.
I also donate to other "worthwhile" charities....sorry I don't have a dollar figure to share. And does everything you do for others revolve around green paper?
Seriously, does every frickin post you make have to be an attempt to make yourself look better and play the "one up" game?
I will be waiting for another far fetched reply where you try to put more words into my mouth.
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beastboy said:
Watch out!! He might try to put more than words in your mouth!
beastboy said:
I honestly do not care if you like me or not. *YOU* as my best friend or mortal enemy would not make me lose a wink of sleep.
Just as a reminder, I will tape "beastboy doesn't like me" on my refrig door. There.
beastboy said:
Of course I spend money on things I like... duh! The point was nothing about spending money. It was the purpose of the church. And like I have said and as was agreed with me by another who knew... until you have seen the inner mechanisms of church's workings... you can't possibly understand why some people such as myself can see right through their sham. Was your church this way? I don't know. I never said it was. I don't really care. My observation and point was that I would rather directly contribute my time and money DIRECTLY to helping another person without the interference of a "middle man" being involved. My contributions don't pay anyone's salary. My contributions don't keep the lights turned on or the water running. My contributions are not to a THING, but rather to a PERSON. [/B][/QUOTE]
beastboy said:
Ummm... no. Actually believe it or not, I make quite a few posts about gay anal sex as well. Why would I try to make myself look better? I have just been factual about myself... gives everyone here something to look up to and strive for.
beastboy said:
Cupcake, you are putting the words in your own mouth, I am just pointing out how I do not agree with them. This thread was about homosexuality and the church. Which I have stated and proved my case against both topics. Rather than getting your panties twisted over little ol' me, go back and make strong points for your point of view.
My point of view is simply churches are full of shit. I have already given you my view of the little sing-alongs, the crooked spiritual leaders, and the "sheeple" mentality of the followers. 90% of the time, the members seem to only justify their own Heaven Card by attacking or frowning upon others. Never seeing the basic premises of truth that their narrow minds can not dare to fathom... else they will go to hell. As a matter of fact, the Bible never even says you have to go to church.
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slobberknocker
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Homos are so gay.
big_bad_buff
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
or it could be a million times worse than any place you could ever imagine. Being tortured by demons non stop for eternity. either or I guess
AAP said:
or it could be a million times worse than any place you could ever imagine. Being tortured by demons non stop for eternity. either or I guess
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Spartacus
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Homosexuals... i have always wondered about something....
..I don't get this..you're saying its not a choice and yet with have AAP with his sig line "anyone who hasn't fantasized about gay sex lacks ambition"..and this attitude amongst gay men is kinda prevalent(i.e. I've seen HANnz mention that straight men are just a six-pack away form gay sex..or somesuch nonsense)...so you are born this way and yet you wish to taunt straight men and insinuate that many straight men have some "gay" in them..I call bullshit..and on another note if you are born attracted to other men whats with this whole rather large percentage of gay men who dress like women?..or adopt feminine traits in general?(I know there are plenty of gay men who possess traditional "men" traits and unless the casual observer knew they were gay they otherwise couldn't tell,but there are a lot of gay men with feminine traits)..is this part of the "gene"?..the gene which makes you prefer your own sex,but makes about half(or more) of you possess female characteristics...personally I call BS on the gene theory for the simple reason it would be damn hard to keep passing this gene along..what with homosexual sex being nonprocreative(yeah,yeah i know some gay men have fathered children,but for the most part i would say 80-90% of gay men don't procreate)..in conclusion though I must say that I'm not a homophobe and personally believe in to each his/her own as long as noone gets hurt(that goes for the S&M crowd as well)..I own a funeral home and more than half of my male employees have been gay(anyone who knows the funeral biz knows that they are prevalent in this industry) and that has never been a problem...I judge all by their work ethic and character in general...I'm done now,just would like some insightFreeballinDC said:
FreeballinDC
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I sincerely think it is genetic, and maybe some environmental influences thrown in for fun
Maybe it was there at birth, and maybe some biological situation triggered it. Hell I don't know. I am a government bureaucrat, not a genetic researcher.
All I know is that deep down, I knew I liked men from waaaay back, but it took me forever to admit it to myself, and finally accept it.
What AAP is refering to, I think, is straight mans denial (if you want to call it that). It seems there are some tough married hombres out there who don't mind some gay butt sex every now and then.
I have been with my share of married men who profess they love their wives, but yet can't get enough of being with another guy.
As ineloquent as it is, there is my soap box. Enjoy!
Maybe it was there at birth, and maybe some biological situation triggered it. Hell I don't know. I am a government bureaucrat, not a genetic researcher.
All I know is that deep down, I knew I liked men from waaaay back, but it took me forever to admit it to myself, and finally accept it.
What AAP is refering to, I think, is straight mans denial (if you want to call it that). It seems there are some tough married hombres out there who don't mind some gay butt sex every now and then.
I have been with my share of married men who profess they love their wives, but yet can't get enough of being with another guy.
As ineloquent as it is, there is my soap box. Enjoy!
Rockafella Skank
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I recall reading a study about 10 years ago that found the liklihood of gay cousins to be higher than gay siblings or gay parents making gay children.
Pro-creation has nothing to do with being gay. Depending upon which study you choose to believe, the homosexual population is as high as 15 percent ... I think the other 85 percent can handle carrying on the world's baby making needs.
Besides, who cares really? I haven't the slightest clue why I like curvy hips and tits. All I know and care about is that I do. Why on earth would I want to try and figure out someone else's sexuality?
Pro-creation has nothing to do with being gay. Depending upon which study you choose to believe, the homosexual population is as high as 15 percent ... I think the other 85 percent can handle carrying on the world's baby making needs.
Besides, who cares really? I haven't the slightest clue why I like curvy hips and tits. All I know and care about is that I do. Why on earth would I want to try and figure out someone else's sexuality?
musclebrains
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If there can be gay Republicans....
There can be gay Christians
There can be gay Christians
Hmmm... not sure what you mean about the large percentage of gay men who dress like women. Actually, that is a very very small percent... but they just get the most media coverage so it appears like it is the norm.
Also, what about the large number of straight men that adopt feminine traits....? They are much more adundant than gay ones. Do they have a gene? If it is not a genetic trait... how do you think we come about? Our parents go over the check list of the unborn and say:
Let's see, we want brown hair
brown eyes
8 inch cock
high IQ
outstanding atheletic ability
6' adulthood height
right handed
college grad
articulate dresser
6 pac of abs
and oh yeah.... homosexuality... don't forget to check that box.
then again, what has determined you were straight? How do you know you are really straight? When did you decide you were straight? Did you try both hetero and homo and decide hetero was for you?
Think about it.... homosexuality is the one trait that transcends all races and genders. Boys are. Girls are. Whites are. Blacks are. Orientals are. Mexicans are. can you name another phenomena that does this? You can control and determine skin color by breeding conditions, but sexuality?
Also, what about the large number of straight men that adopt feminine traits....? They are much more adundant than gay ones. Do they have a gene? If it is not a genetic trait... how do you think we come about? Our parents go over the check list of the unborn and say:
Let's see, we want brown hair
brown eyes
8 inch cock
high IQ
outstanding atheletic ability
6' adulthood height
right handed
college grad
articulate dresser
6 pac of abs
and oh yeah.... homosexuality... don't forget to check that box.
then again, what has determined you were straight? How do you know you are really straight? When did you decide you were straight? Did you try both hetero and homo and decide hetero was for you?
Think about it.... homosexuality is the one trait that transcends all races and genders. Boys are. Girls are. Whites are. Blacks are. Orientals are. Mexicans are. can you name another phenomena that does this? You can control and determine skin color by breeding conditions, but sexuality?
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Spartacus
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when I was in the 7th and 8th grades we lived in a rural area on the Chesapeak bay..we(me and my 2 sisters)went to a small private school about 30+ miles away..well in the 7th grade virtually none of the girls in my grade had developed secondary sexual characteristics..then the summer break came and I had no contact with my female classmates(because of the distances involved)..well when I returned to school for the 8th grade it was "holy shit"..seems almost all the girls had started growing tits that summer..to this day I can still remember the excited feeling of seeing my classmates with their new eqp...it was magical..I still have some very crisp mental images(I'm 40 now)of when I first saw some of my classmates..school was very different from then on..interesting too was back in about 5th/6th grade I lived in houston and a bunch of us boys had plenty of dirty magazines in our tree forts..and liked to look and read(wtf is cunnilingus?fellatio?eat her out???)..but until I was 13/14 and saw my own friends boobs it wasn't the same..btw I'm an ass/leg man now
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AAP said:
Only 8 inches?
Anyways, being gay usually stems from being rejected by the girl you had a crush on in 7th grade. Homos typically never recover and thus become homosexual.
Dykes are dykes because they are big and fat and no man will sleep with them and the only sex partners they can get are big fat dykes.
now if you'll excuse me i have to go help my fellow christians save some gay souls.
naturally anabolic
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geez i didnt think this thread would generate such heated discussion
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AAP said:
then can you comment on the theory of dykes?
ajtomasi said:
Dude, I ain't never slept with a dyke in my life.
Most diesel dykes are usually paired up with a lipstick lesbian. They like feminine traits and may find men too masculine. Who knows? Maybe they are scared the men will get up in the middle of the night and drink their Coors. I dunno.
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ajtomasi
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I'm sorry bro, but I'm going to have to say that most dykes go together with other dykes. I'm not joking here. The common mentality is that ofcourse a dyke is going to have a lushish lesbo on her arm, but no. That's like saying all gay men wear panties.
ajtomasi said:
Not true. When you see two dykes together, chances are they are friends. I mean, you would see me and another gym guy together because we don't like going out alone (no one really does in the gay world) but that doesn't mean we are partners. He could be my best friend. Also, a lot of lipstick lesbians will not be caught dead in a fish bar because they are almost always ingrained in the Corporate World. There are two lesbians that live in my neighborhood, 5 doors down. One is an incredibly attractive woman, a major executive for Jet Blue, the airline service. she dresses articulate and looks like she stepped off the pages of Vogue. Her partner is an Italian dyke. Which the neighborhood as dubbed The Gorilla. (use your imagination) she rides Harleys, wears bandanas on her head and goes to shoot pool with other butch wimmen all the time. YOu see her out on town with another dyke, but they are not partners. A lot of dykes follow this pattern.
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ajtomasi
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I understand what you're saying, but then it could be said that the majority of gay male relationships are Bears and Bottoms.
Perhaps it's a regional thing. To tell you the truth, where I'm at 90% of the women are fat and ulgy, so that might be why. But I have be witness to mulitple Dyke love scenes. And The next time one happens I'll snap a few shots.
Perhaps it's a regional thing. To tell you the truth, where I'm at 90% of the women are fat and ulgy, so that might be why. But I have be witness to mulitple Dyke love scenes. And The next time one happens I'll snap a few shots.
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