Holy Shit! SSAlexSS Overtraining is totally messing me up.

[Advaik]

Ever since I did my overtraining I can't seem to get a decent workout with my bi's. I keep adding weight and I can't feel it, it's like I am not lifting anything at all. Sure, there's a point where I can't lift it anymore, but even then I can't feel it. Usually I am screaming from pain trying to get my last set up, now it's like "eh". I hope this doesn't effect my growth. I am fucking up my joints adding so much weight trying to get a decent workout. I've had 4 lift days with my bi's so far and each time it's the same thing.

Side note: Because I no longer feel pain in my bi's when lifting, I am able to lift a hell of alot more than I use to. I guess that is a good thing, but it still sucks! If I can't feel the pain, then it's like I did all that lifting for nothing.

 

[notpuff]

you mean the 100sets ?

 

[Advaik]

yeah

 

[the People's Champ]

 

[Haz]

Now I've heard everything. I can't believe someone is complaining that they are too strong. I hope this isn't a ploy to get people to do SSAlexSS's routine.

 

[FitnessFrk]

What ? so you didn't get as huge as he did !...lol

increasing strength is the easiest things to do in this sport.

 

[Advaik]

I couldn't give a shit about strength. I am just trying to build mass. Now I have to use a ton of weight more, and still it's not working. It's just fucking up my joints. I can feel bar curls burning my forearms, but not doing shit for my bi's. Concentration curls are more of an areobic excersize than a lift.

 

[Vortexx]

Yeh, don't get carried away with moving heavy weight alone, just try:

12-10-8 alternate dumbell curls
12-10-8 one arm scott dumbell curls
12-10-8 lying cable curl to head

To these after training BACK. While some people complain they can't move serious weight, this works very well, because you are not trying to do 5-6 heavy reps cheating barbell curls, but instead focus on a few sets of more specific biceps isolating exercises with slightly higher reps, that allow to fully exhaust them after training back.

Doing biceps after back you can keep volume low. also the exercises chosen focus on keeping the elbow in a fixed position, to really attack the biceps without need for heavy weight.

 

[rockn2dmax]

this is what you get for trusting SSAlexSS!!!

Haven't seen him around in a while.... (BUMMER )

Athough, I kinda miss reading his posts, they always make me laugh

 

[FitnessFrk]

Advaik...please tell me you where joking !

concentration curls are aerobic so they require more oxygen to perform than say preacher curls ? that is so incorrect, who told you that SSAlexSS ?

 

[SSAlexSS]

Ever since I did my overtraining I can't seem to get a decent workout with my bi's. I keep adding weight and I can't feel it, it's like I am not lifting anything at all. Sure, there's a point where I can't lift it anymore, but even then I can't feel it. Usually I am screaming from pain trying to get my last set up, now it's like "eh". I hope this doesn't effect my growth. I am fucking up my joints adding so much weight trying to get a decent workout. I've had 4 lift days with my bi's so far and each time it's the same thing.

Side note: Because I no longer feel pain in my bi's when lifting, I am able to lift a hell of alot more than I use to. I guess that is a good thing, but it still sucks! If I can't feel the pain, then it's like I did all that lifting for nothing.

You cant feel your bis? Thats great , you dont have to feel pain while you do your curls! Like an instant morphine shot there! Dorian Yates would be greatly enhanced if he could not feel the painb.


btw, do you have any visual abnormalities of your veins on your biceps.


P.S. To everyone. Dont insult my program.. It entitled to do 100 sets, not 250 sets as this dude did. Its his fault for twisting
the program. Dont blame Charles Poliquin. Blame Advaik's twisted interpretation.

 

[Lord_Suston]

ALEX you will always be an idot in my opinion..... If you can't feel pain while working out either you severly pinched a nerve or you have basically damaged your golgi apparatus...

 

[Thaibox]

Why do these guys think pain is the limiting factor in lifting? So when things hurt, you stop doing them?




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"If I can't feel the pain, then it's like I did all that lifting for nothing"

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Thats your own fault for not knowing how to lift.

How much weight are you lifting? If you're now curling the 100lb dbs with no problem, than this is interesting. If you've moved from the pink rubber ones to the blue rubber ones(like I think you may have), then this is stupid.

 

[Lord_Suston]

Why do these guys think pain is the limiting factor in lifting? So when things hurt, you stop doing them?

Pain is a sign when damage is going to occur or has occured. I don't me lactic acid burn you feel in the muscle, i mean severe tearing of muscle fiber and ligaments and tendons. There is a diference in being hurt and sore than being injured....

 

[SSAlexSS]

ALEX you will always be an idot in my opinion..... If you can't feel pain while working out either you severly pinched a nerve or you have basically damaged your golgi apparatus...

People who call other people names, usually have that themselves.


Did i say that (about pinched nerve or golgi apparatus)>??? No.
What the hell? I just tried to help him get over this 'feeling'. You rush into anything just to call someone else idiot.

I thgink you are the idiot here since instead of trying to help other people you just rush into name calling, shows us all what kind of chracter you are. And I thought that drugs dont affect your mind... my bad.

 

[SSAlexSS]

yeah

you did 250 sets if my memory serves me well. a 2.5 difference.


Tell the truth!

Tell the whole truth, you got so strong that you no longer feel that weight because you muscle used to do much more.

Congrats on your amazing gains!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Ever since I did my overtraining I can't seem to get a decent workout with my bi's. I keep adding weight and I can't feel it, it's like I am not lifting anything at all. Sure, there's a point where I can't lift it anymore, but even then I can't feel it. Usually I am screaming from pain trying to get my last set up, now it's like "eh". I hope this doesn't effect my growth. I am fucking up my joints adding so much weight trying to get a decent workout. I've had 4 lift days with my bi's so far and each time it's the same thing.

Side note: Because I no longer feel pain in my bi's when lifting, I am able to lift a hell of alot more than I use to. I guess that is a good thing, but it still sucks! If I can't feel the pain, then it's like I did all that lifting for nothing.

Congrtats on your progress! Lift more weight and you'll definately feel it. Damn I wish I gained so much strength. But I only did 102 sets not 250. Advaik next time I'll beat your 250 sets.



Lets all draw our conclussions. It doesnt matter how 'stupid' or 'dumb' the program is. If it works it works. If you want to just tone up, do what everyone else is doing - they arent growing , follow them. If you want to build bigger muscles quicker, do what everyone ISNT DOING. it takes lots of effort to go agains the tide, but it surely pays off. The choice is yours!

 

[notpuff]

did he do 250 or 100 sets

and if you wanna bash someone bash poliqin its his routine

 

[SSAlexSS]

did he do 250 or 100 sets

and if you wanna bash someone bash poliqin its his routine

He did 231 sets, I did 102.

His routine taken from HIS post.

Final Set Score:
50 BB Curls
50 DB Curls
25 Dips (Stopped after I couldnt do my own weight)
31 Skullcrushers (Stopped after I felt a pop in my tricep and each rep was painful)
25 Wrist Flexors
25 Wrist Curls
25 Wrist Rollers

 

[Imnotdutch]

increasing strength is the easiest things to do in this sport.

Huh???? Ok then explain what I have to do to get strong.

 

[Imnotdutch]

increasing strength is the easiest things to do in this sport.

Huh???? Ok then explain what I have to do to get strong.

 

[FitnessFrk]

By using Progressive overload on all your compound exercises. each workout you must either increase working weights or increase repitions.

 

[Advaik]

I said concentration curls feel like an aerobic excersize because I don't feel shit in my bi's, all I feel is my breathing getting heavier from lifting. I NEVER said they WERE aerobic.

I guess I did do around 250, I didn't actually remember or check and figured you knew what I was talking about.

Every lift I do I always get either or a burn or pain. That is how I know when to stop, the pain or burn gets too much to the point where I can no longer bring the weight up. If you think this is the "wrong" way to lift, well I have been lifting this way for a year and have gotten amazing gains, so I could care less if you think it is wrong or right.

My point is I don't feel any pain or burn in my bi's anymore while lifting. Since those two are my only factors in my intensity, I am able to up my intensity alot (I was using dbs that were 20lbs heavier than my previous and felt that I could still go heavier.). I also had no swelling and my viens did not pop out in my bi's like they usually do. I am lifting correctly, I know how to lift. I am not cheating or anything like that.

 

[FitnessFrk]

Originally posted by Advaik
Concentration curls are more of an areobic excersize than a lift.

 

[Advaik]

Way to take things out of context Fitnessfrk. See that little phrase "more of," meaning a comparison. I did not say "Concentration curls are an areobic excersize." Plus you must take into consideration what I had previously said, "I can feel bar curls burning my forearms, but not doing shit for my bi's," with the context clues of this sentence, you can tell that I am not badgering the lift, I am saying it is not doing anything to me. With half a brain you can figure out that the next sentence will most likely be similar, since I did not make a new paragraph to badger the uselessness of lifts. By the way you read it, don't you find it weird that I would just throw that in for no reason? I am saying that NOW, to ME, it FEELS like an aerobic lift.

I swear... learn to fucking read and stop making assumptions. I guess I should stop making the assumption that the people of this board are smart enough to figure a simple wording out. Next time I'll write at a 1st grade level, since, obviously, a 2nd grade level is too high for you.

 

[FitnessFrk]

I must be an idiot that's why I'm retired at 33 years old..LMAO !!!

 

[SSAlexSS]

I said concentration curls feel like an aerobic excersize because I don't feel shit in my bi's, all I feel is my breathing getting heavier from lifting. I NEVER said they WERE aerobic.

I guess I did do around 250, I didn't actually remember or check and figured you knew what I was talking about.

Every lift I do I always get either or a burn or pain. That is how I know when to stop, the pain or burn gets too much to the point where I can no longer bring the weight up. If you think this is the "wrong" way to lift, well I have been lifting this way for a year and have gotten amazing gains, so I could care less if you think it is wrong or right.

My point is I don't feel any pain or burn in my bi's anymore while lifting. Since those two are my only factors in my intensity, I am able to up my intensity alot (I was using dbs that were 20lbs heavier than my previous and felt that I could still go heavier.). I also had no swelling and my viens did not pop out in my bi's like they usually do. I am lifting correctly, I know how to lift. I am not cheating or anything like that.

Damn. My biceps are often the limiting factor in my back work.

Gotta try to do 300 sets one lucky day.

Y'all, if you want your biceps to grow and their strength shoot through the roof (like on anabolics) do 250+ sets.

 

[the People's Champ]

ssalexss-how much can you normally curl? db and bb?

 

[ZZuluZ]

If I knew shit like 100 sets would make me any stronger I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I seriously doubt that increased strength is a factor of only neurological adaptation [100 sets takes synaptic facilitation to a whole new level]; you probably got bigger.

BTW, why MUST you feel pain??? There's no need to go to failure.

-Zulu

 

[SSAlexSS]

ssalexss-how much can you normally curl? db and bb?

First I usually dont curl.

But i can curl about 30-40 pounds. Very little I know. But that means nothing. My arms arent my strong point. Hey they increased in size alot, though their strength didnt went up a bit.

it is weird. I am good at functional strength lifts but not at "cosmetic frat boy lifts" .


Laugh all you want. I dont lie and act tough just because I can do it sitting behind my computer. Also I tell the truth (I could have easily said that I curl 75 pound dumbells)

I guess I need to do do some more 1 day arm marathons and end up like Advaik, gaining bicep strength like on anabolics.


250 sets for arms in one day should be made illegal, since it is that potent.


enough of my ranting.

 

[b fold the truth]

Happy Scrappy? Is that you? Only Scrappy can come up with funny stuff like this...

B True

 

[Advaik]

I must be an idiot that's why I'm retired at 33 years old..LMAO !!!

Being unemployed does not qualify as being retired.

(I'm just playing here, no need to flame)

 

[Advaik]

If I knew shit like 100 sets would make me any stronger I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I seriously doubt that increased strength is a factor of only neurological adaptation [100 sets takes synaptic facilitation to a whole new level]; you probably got bigger.

BTW, why MUST you feel pain??? There's no need to go to failure.

-Zulu

It's just the way I lift. Some people like going to failure, some don't. It's been debated alot and no one has really proven which way is better. I just like the burn, it makes me feel like I've accomplished something when it takes all the willpower I have to withstand the pain of one more rep.

Doing this may have made me stronger, but there is really no way for me to measure it now (I never did one rep maxes for curls). All I know is that pain/burn has been my limited factoring up until now, now it's how much I can do before I am too tired to lift anymore (funny thing is, this is what happen near the end of my 250 set day. I no longer had any pain/burn, and the only thing that stopped me from doing more reps is I was too tired to lift anymore).

 

[ZZuluZ]

I'm not a fan of expletives, but I think it is fairly 'proven' that going to failure is not at all a necessity.

However, I'm not dissing it. Everything has it's time and place if other variables are adjusted accordingly. I don't believe it to be optimal.

I'm still puzzled by your situation. Are you arms numb? Adapted to all the lactic acid release or what?

-Zulu

 

[Advaik]

I have no idea what is up with my arms. I can punch them and feel it, so I know I didn't fuck up my nerves or anything like that. It's just like when I lift, it doesnt matter how much I lift or for how long, it always feels like I just did my first rep everytime.

 

[ZZuluZ]

Could it be that your muscles adapted to the stress of 250 sets?

That the stress was so severe you adapted to such a point that now everything else seems like a breeze??

-Zulu

 

[Advaik]

It's possible, all I know is I don't like it. Sure I can lift alot more know, but I'm not a powerlifter, I am a bodybuilder.

 

[ZZuluZ]

If you can lift more then I think this is definitely an interesting find for people who ARE interested in strength.

Anybody else have similar results?

I'm having a hard time explaining it.

You're not the slightest bit bigger?

-Zulu

 

[Imnotdutch]

By using Progressive overload on all your compound exercises. each workout you must either increase working weights or increase repitions.

So nothing to do with periodisation, strengthening weak points etc then.

I'm not trying to be an asshole but it seems to me that getting seriously strong is not easy at all.

 

[Advaik]

I did not get any swelling while lifting (you know how you muscles look bigger after lifting? I didnt get that). However I measured my arms today, it's been 3 days since i did my last lift, and they were .2 inch bigger. I guess they didn't hurt my growth, that's more than I grew from actually doing the 250 sets and all I did 3 days ago was 5x6.

 

[rockn2dmax]

LMAO... God I'm glad SSAlexSS is back in action... I find it amusing that the world holds such idoits!

As Far as the "pain" comments... When i lift, I ignore the pain... I lift until my muscles won't lift the weight anymore... it has nothing to do with the pain I feel... that's just a side-effect!!!

Also... has anyone considered the catabolic effects of lifting for so long you're able to do 250, or even 100 sets of arms... your body HAS to be eating muscle for energy by that point!!!

Oh.... SSAlexSS I liked the fact that you said you're going for "strength" not Cosmetics... b/c... aren't you a "Bodybuilder"???
So isn't that what Bodybuilding is all about???
Also, if you're still only curly 30-40lbs... doesn't sound like you're play for going for strength is working very well!

But keep writing in pal, I can always use a good laugh!!!!!

 

[rockn2dmax]

Also, if you're still only curly 30-40lbs... doesn't sound like you're play for going for strength is working very well!

Correction...

doesn't sound like your plan for going for strength is working very well...


sorry about the typo's

 

[b fold the truth]

I am afraid of this routine...it would probably make me TOO BIG!!!

B True

 

[SSAlexSS]

LMAO... God I'm glad SSAlexSS is back in action... I find it amusing that the world holds such idoits!

As Far as the "pain" comments... When i lift, I ignore the pain... I lift until my muscles won't lift the weight anymore... it has nothing to do with the pain I feel... that's just a side-effect!!!

Also... has anyone considered the catabolic effects of lifting for so long you're able to do 250, or even 100 sets of arms... your body HAS to be eating muscle for energy by that point!!!

Oh.... SSAlexSS I liked the fact that you said you're going for "strength" not Cosmetics... b/c... aren't you a "Bodybuilder"???
So isn't that what Bodybuilding is all about???
Also, if you're still only curly 30-40lbs... doesn't sound like you're play for going for strength is working very well!

But keep writing in pal, I can always use a good laugh!!!!!

I can use a good laugh myself too at all idiots who cant read. Look in the mirror if you want to see one.



I said
"it is weird. I am good at functional strength lifts but not at "cosmetic frat boy lifts" . " .


Did I say I do strength only training? NO. It is just that some people are better at one things, yet do something else.


Dumbdie, read in to what I say, carefully, please. 100 sets is definately not for strength. So I am not a strength lifter, since I follow hypertrophic type of routines. Duh....



Also , curl and bench isnt functional strength exercise, ask any expert (real one). You can be weak at either of those two but be exceptionally strong in real lifts.


Everyone, disregard this 65 post poster. He is just knew and still learning the ways of training...


Damn what a moron!

But dont be shy, we all forgive you. Only 65 posts vs mine 1000+.

 

[b fold the truth]

Well, this frat boy and his cosmetic lifts will keep far away from your routine...I'd hate to wake up and have grown to be your size.

B True

 

[FitnessFrk]

good one ! LMAO..

 

[rockn2dmax]

Everyone, disregard this 65 post poster. He is just knew and still learning the ways of training...

Damn what a moron!

But dont be shy, we all forgive you. Only 65 posts vs mine 1000+.

knew?

you mean, new? yes, new to this board, but not to training!

think about quality over quantity... 65 decent posts vs. your 1000+ bunch of CRAP! lol Hell, I could start posting junk left and right too... just to get my # of posts up...

Everyone on this board knows that you're a fake! People have asked you for pictures in the past.... and I've yet to see any...

 

[Imnotdutch]

Just out of interest, how do you knowhe is new to training?? Perhaps he is only new to this board. Ever heard of a guy called Ed Coan.....one of the greatest powerliters ever? Well he posts on Goheavy.com......although only rarely. So is he a newbie in your books too???

I was one who asked to see your pics in the past......how about you post them and show us how you have benefitted from your hypertrophy routines.

Lastly, what do you consider a 'real lift'?......and what would you do to train for a 'real lift'??

I said
"it is weird. I am good at functional strength lifts but not at "cosmetic frat boy lifts" . " .


Did I say I do strength only training? NO. It is just that some people are better at one things, yet do something else.


Dumbdie, read in to what I say, carefully, please. 100 sets is definately not for strength. So I am not a strength lifter, since I follow hypertrophic type of routines. Duh....



Also , curl and bench isnt functional strength exercise, ask any expert (real one). You can be weak at either of those two but be exceptionally strong in real lifts.


Everyone, disregard this 65 post poster. He is just knew and still learning the ways of training...


Damn what a moron!

But dont be shy, we all forgive you. Only 65 posts vs mine 1000+.