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off_safety
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anyone read that article on vernon davis in this months M&F? that nigga is YOKED!! 6-3, 250, 4% bf!! are you fucking kidding me?! how can this mofo not be on? thats some great breeding there.
holy lord-vernon davis!!
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holy ghost
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damn that nigga is yoked.
Wow.
calveless wonder
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how many black pro athletes eat like crap, look like monsters?
Genetics homey....
I used to work out in a mostly black gym in Newark and i used to joke w/ them about how they could eat fried chicken all day and still look better than me with the cleanest diet and all the juice in the world.
strongest physical slaves were bred with each other.
that's why there are so many tall/jacked black dudes.
of course, plenty of black people have terrible genetics and get fat like nothing else...but as a whole, their physical genetics are unmatched.
Genetics homey....
I used to work out in a mostly black gym in Newark and i used to joke w/ them about how they could eat fried chicken all day and still look better than me with the cleanest diet and all the juice in the world.
strongest physical slaves were bred with each other.
that's why there are so many tall/jacked black dudes.
of course, plenty of black people have terrible genetics and get fat like nothing else...but as a whole, their physical genetics are unmatched.
4% your talken Onion skin thats sick as .
Brad.
Brad.
calveless wonder said:
I see you failed anthropology 101.
We're all part of the human race. Darker-skinned people are not genetically superior in strength, just as lighter-skinned people are not genetically superior in intelligence.
It's appalling that people still believe such steroetypes.
skullcrushin22
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samoth said:I see you failed anthropology 101.
We're all part of the human race. Darker-skinned people are not genetically superior in strength, just as lighter-skinned people are not genetically superior in intelligence.
It's appalling that people still believe such steroetypes.
No they might not be superior in strength but you have to admit you see a hell of a lot more cut black dudes that dont even care if theyre cut than white. They are born with more fast twitch muscle fibers or theyre developed differently I cannot remember but it doesnt have to do with strength. Oh and I have nothing against black people at all its just it does seem easier for them.
cipherking
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i like how nigga is thrown out there.....
calveless wonder
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samoth said:I see you failed anthropology 101.
We're all part of the human race. Darker-skinned people are not genetically superior in strength, just as lighter-skinned people are not genetically superior in intelligence.
It's appalling that people still believe such steroetypes.
dude....has nothing to do with origins, so spare me the equality shit. It has to do with breeding during a specific period of time. You're much less likely to find africans with these type of genetics than a US black.
Most of the blacks in the US descended from slaves, which were bred based on THEIR PHYSICAL STRENGTH AND SIZE. Those were the most useful to plantation owners. All this is byproduct of rich white aristocrats playing god.
Other genetically inferior slaves died, or were murdered.
It's why you see so many ripped(or ripped and huge) black guys who has no knowledge of eating well or healthy as opposed to naturally big white guys.
Thats what i think the saturation should be very visible .8AND20 said:
Brad.
calveless wonder said:
It's amazing how society gets people to believe the most rediculous stereotypes.
The information is out there if you care to enlighten yourself, but, of course, you'll find many more of your type in such a bubble of ignorance. So I really can't blame you for believing such things, lol.
:cwo:
calveless wonder
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samoth said:
you spelled cow wrong, ignorant bastard!!
seriously dude. open your eyes and look around (wait..i don't think there are black people wisconsin), and start becoming a history major
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lartinos
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One thing I swill say is that black and white people are just structurally different. For example you will notice that white people have much bigger calves which is why the smaller calved black person can sprint more quickly.
thesuaveone
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DBBT said:
Do they allow you to jump higher than the rest of us?
stressman13
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samoth said:
oh god. here we go.
dead_reggin_storage_fashi
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Ive looked that good and I wasnt 4% more along the lines of 8ish. yes I was on gear
stressman13
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Back to the thread. Obviously hes on. Why wouldnt he be???? Most guys who you think are on are defintely on and others you think arent are also on. genetics are genetics, but all of a sudden all these guys are huge with low body fat in the last few years? Where were their genetics 40 years ago? These guys are taking shit and have people around them to tell them how to do it right and avoid being caught. plain and simple. The guys a genetic freak, hell yeah, and hes a genetic freak who took it the next level. pretty obvious.
redsamurai
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i'm not that impressed..........he ain't 4% either, and he doesn't look 250 "at all"..........c'mon, that's ray ray's size, dude don't look half as big as ray
airsmith2k
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black people definitely have better genetics then whites...look at professional athletes....most of them are black.....look at track and field....no white people there lol....even music...black people definitely have better voices and better rhythm then whittie lol
stressman13
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airsmith2k said:
while it seems there is some truth to this. chkeck out jeremy warniner. hes a good white sprinter (200/400)
airsmith2k
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stressman13 said:
well theres always an exception to everything
st8grad
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calveless wonder said:you spelled cow wrong, ignorant bastard!!
seriously dude. open your eyes and look around (wait..i don't think there are black people wisconsin), and start becoming a history major
If you were a history major, you would know that the breeding of the strongest slaves is a myth.
Has anyone considered the typical diet of a black person over that of a white person? The choices in sources of carbs MAY be a big factor in the body fat levels of black people and white people. Also economic factors could play a role in having extra food available to overeat at a younger age.
And don't give us the shit about more fast twitch muscle fibers or that "their" gluteus muscles are higher up on their backs, etc.
You are speaking from what you see and including in historical and genealogical inaccuracies to back up your point.
st8grad
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stressman13 said:
Yes and it takes thousands of years to improve on genetics not 40. The performance of athletes today is not the result of improved genetics and evolution plain and simple.
If anyone has actually watched football game film from the 60's or 70's you would swear that the film was being played in fast motion. Perception has led us to believe that athletes and teams of today are vastly superior to athletes and teams from years ago. It isn't exactly so. Given the opportunity to train, eat, and possible juice as todays athletes do, I think you would find that they match up equally and maybe in some cases the elite athletes of years ago would even be better than some of todays athletes.
We're getting on a slippery slope here with the race issue. Thin ice was crossed long ago however.
st8grad said:
i agree with alot of what you said but there is no way the game of football from the 60's and 70's is as fast or near as fast as today. no way, no how. i trained combine guys when i was a speed/strength coach and the numbers from 20 years ago dont match those of today. the guys are simply bigger, stronger, and faster at every position. lineman of today could be linebackers 40 years ago. ive seen 300 lbs men run 5.0 40's. today is head and shoulders above the past.
but the whole breeding and genetic component is bullshit. though smaller calves do allow for faster running and higher jumping.
calveless wonder said:
How many scandanavians are built like mountains? Is that the Viking genetics?
Seriously though, the predominance of black pro athletes would lead one to think that there might be some genetic pre-disposition to superior athletic skills. Or it's all that time skipping educations and playing ball. ( I know... racist comment for a bad joke.) Though they do get dealt a bad hand when it comes to hypertension and other problems.
roadwarrior said:How many scandanavians are built like mountains? Is that the Viking genetics?
Seriously though, the predominance of black pro athletes would lead one to think that there might be some genetic pre-disposition to superior athletic skills. Or it's all that time skipping educations and playing ball. ( I know... racist comment for a bad joke.) Though they do get dealt a bad hand when it comes to hypertension and other problems.
To Samoth's good and valid points ,without jokes... he makes excellent points re: all human race with lots of interbreeding esp. African Americans vs Africans. How much of the observations that we make... blacks = better athlete, asians = smarter etc etc etc - no offense to anyone... are due to a combination of nurture vs. nature i.e. environmental effects and how much are just stereotypes? No easy answer but one must consider all aspects before one draws a conclusion.
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perryscoon
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Anyone who hasn't noticed totally ripped black guys that don't even work out is living in Alaska. There is no doubt that their genetics are different than ours. I think the simple fact that they dominate professional sports removes all doubt.
And don't bring up the stupid, "what about water polo and ice hockey" argument. Because they don't even play those sports so its silly to include them.
And don't bring up the stupid, "what about water polo and ice hockey" argument. Because they don't even play those sports so its silly to include them.
st8grad
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timtim said:
I wish I could find some historical records on 40 times. I agree with the players being bigger and also faster at that given size, but it is all relative. The 200 pound LB's played with 250 pound lineman etc.
If you can show me a natural 300 pounder that runs a 4.9 then we can come together on this.
But let's say OJ Simpson, Dick Butkus, Bubba Smith and whoever, given today's training, nutrition, gear and opportunity to play against today's competition, would be just as good as Tomlinson, Urlacher, Julius Peppers, etc.
holy ghost
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yes we are naturally beter than all yall
just kidding lmao
just kidding lmao
st8grad
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perryscoon said:
I'm gonna dig a hole for myself with this but....
Given the above logic then the simple fact that white people dominate the premier positions in corporate america removes all doubt that they are smarter and better equipped to handle those jobs...and coaching of said sports. Right?
I am sure they are other factors than genetics involved with the "white corporate america" example. There must be other factors than genetics for black athletes as well.
Although it is pretty clear that black athletes dominate most pro, college, and some olympic sports. I think the answer why is much more complex than genetics.
digimon7068
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crazyjoe said:
that ain't 4%. . .
perryscoon
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st8grad said:
Ya, there might be other reasons they dominate sports but I think its safe to say thats the biggest reason. But of course ALL blacks aren't genetic wonders. They have fat slobs like any other race.
Vernon Davis is a freak in every way, he trains HARD two-a-days and has a strict diet, i highly doubt hes juicing. He works out in a state of the art gym, has the best trainers, and his job is to workout and become better at footbal.
As for sports today, athletes today are hands down better than years ago, ask anyone that has been in/around sports for years and years. Just look at Vernon Davis himself, 6'3" 263 and runs a 4.38. They even compared him in an article, when he did the 225 combine, years ago a 315 lb linemen did 25 or something, Vernon Davis did 33 reps!!!! Basketball as well, listen to the retired announcers, Lebron James was being spoken about by retired vets, and they said hes amazing becasue he would have been a center back in the day standing 6'8", now hes a damn guard, and a center below 7 feet is small.(This includes white guys too, lol)
As for sports today, athletes today are hands down better than years ago, ask anyone that has been in/around sports for years and years. Just look at Vernon Davis himself, 6'3" 263 and runs a 4.38. They even compared him in an article, when he did the 225 combine, years ago a 315 lb linemen did 25 or something, Vernon Davis did 33 reps!!!! Basketball as well, listen to the retired announcers, Lebron James was being spoken about by retired vets, and they said hes amazing becasue he would have been a center back in the day standing 6'8", now hes a damn guard, and a center below 7 feet is small.(This includes white guys too, lol)
digimon7068
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gjohnson5 said:
he's definitely sub-10%. . .but 4% is damn near impossible to achieve and very unhealthy to maintain. . .and vernon doesn't look "unhealthy". . .
michaeltt
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how can there not be differences between the races? i mean obviously you have shorter in stature races. its not a stereotype, its a fact. Theres plenty of differences between the races as far as muscle, size, stamina, alcoholism, prevalence of disease. (for example sickle cell). theres alot of differences. i think its dumb to say we are all part of the human race, we are all the same. its not true. And theres nothing wrong with pointing that out. Its when we start to feel that one race doesnt deserve the kindnes and oppurtunities as everyone else, that we run into trouble. as far as white people people better at hockey, gymnastics, or some of the other white sports. i think its just a matterof time that black people will gain interest in these areas and probably be better then whites. .look at whats happened to tennis and golf!
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gjohnson5
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My stance has changed to a point on this topic as well. I agree that we're all humans, but that doesn't mean certain ethnic groups have a higher percentage of certain genes. Hopefully noone will argue that higher incidences of diabetes (which the diseases origins are genetic) are seen by ethnic groups.
This study which in one of few which talk about genetic differences in ethnic groups such as the percentage of type IIb muscle fiber deals specifically in observations between ethnic groups. But this study also makes observations of insulin resistance and obesity due to the above sentence.
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/282/6/E1191.pdf
But I agree that making the bridge between genetics and work ethic issues is silly. Just because one has a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers does not mean that they won't drink beer, smoke weed, and waste their talents. Even with a higher percentage of type iib muscle fiber doesn't mean that the person will have enough muscle fibers to be strong and explosive. There's nothing genetic about diet... The word potential needs to be included in those topics...
This study which in one of few which talk about genetic differences in ethnic groups such as the percentage of type IIb muscle fiber deals specifically in observations between ethnic groups. But this study also makes observations of insulin resistance and obesity due to the above sentence.
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/282/6/E1191.pdf
But I agree that making the bridge between genetics and work ethic issues is silly. Just because one has a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers does not mean that they won't drink beer, smoke weed, and waste their talents. Even with a higher percentage of type iib muscle fiber doesn't mean that the person will have enough muscle fibers to be strong and explosive. There's nothing genetic about diet... The word potential needs to be included in those topics...
samoth said:I see you failed anthropology 101.
We're all part of the human race. Darker-skinned people are not genetically superior in strength, just as lighter-skinned people are not genetically superior in intelligence.
It's appalling that people still believe such steroetypes.
digimon7068
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gjohnson5 said:
exactly! there are differences. if there weren't, how the hell do you explain shit like sickle cell?? from the us dept of health. . .
"In the United States, sickle cell anemia affects about 70,000 people. It mainly affects African Americans."
personally, i love the fact that there are differences. . .the world would be damn boring without them. . .
st8grad
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Venus and Serena are top notch. But the Thai-African American golfer is black? Technically I guess. Maybe half a black golfer is better than a whole white golfer! Lol.
However, to say that once black people become interested in hockey, gymnastics, water polo, etc they will dominate. Well, maybe they will.
I think if you are black, white, green, purple and can make 250 million a year for 10 years (a-rod) you deserve every penny of it.
But does the surge of talented white european basketball players mean they are genetically more gifted than white american players. How about the dominican and puerto rican baseballers? I think desire and training are playing a huge role in that surge.
Plus how many white boys are afraid to even try out at WR or CB because they believe they are too slow and how many are judged negatively BECAUSE they are white.
I'll stop posting on this. Interesting thoughts on why black people are dominating the major sports. Maybe it is genetic after all.
However, to say that once black people become interested in hockey, gymnastics, water polo, etc they will dominate. Well, maybe they will.
I think if you are black, white, green, purple and can make 250 million a year for 10 years (a-rod) you deserve every penny of it.
But does the surge of talented white european basketball players mean they are genetically more gifted than white american players. How about the dominican and puerto rican baseballers? I think desire and training are playing a huge role in that surge.
Plus how many white boys are afraid to even try out at WR or CB because they believe they are too slow and how many are judged negatively BECAUSE they are white.
I'll stop posting on this. Interesting thoughts on why black people are dominating the major sports. Maybe it is genetic after all.
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st8grad
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Just found this.......
Vernon Davis Workout
Monday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Power Clean
Bench Press
Triceps Excercise*
Circuit*
Abs
Farmers Walk*
Tuesday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Explosives*
Barbell Squat
Speed Deadlift
Back Hyperextension
Calf Raise
Abs
Dumbbell Clean
Thursday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Power Clean
Bench Press
Upper Back Exercise
Triceps Excercise
Special Excercise*
Lat Pull Down or Pull Up
Abs
Grip Excercise
Neck Lateral Flexion
Friday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Single Leg Squat
Explosives
Reverse Hyperextension
Posterior Chain
Calf Raise
Abs
Dumbbell Clean
Neck Rotation/Twisting
Notes
Circuit
Three different excercises.
Pulling Move (Rows)
Pushing Move (Chest/Tricep)
Shoulder Move (Lat Raises)
Farmers Walk
Walk length of gym holding 20 kg plates
Explosives
Squats
Box Squats
Box Jumps
Special Excercise
Can be any excercise
3-5 Minutes rest between sets
10-30 Reps
Stopping short of failure
*Courtesy of Muscle & Fitness*
Vernon Davis Workout
Monday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Power Clean
Bench Press
Triceps Excercise*
Circuit*
Abs
Farmers Walk*
Tuesday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Explosives*
Barbell Squat
Speed Deadlift
Back Hyperextension
Calf Raise
Abs
Dumbbell Clean
Thursday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Power Clean
Bench Press
Upper Back Exercise
Triceps Excercise
Special Excercise*
Lat Pull Down or Pull Up
Abs
Grip Excercise
Neck Lateral Flexion
Friday
Light Warm Up
Kettlebell Swing
Single Leg Squat
Explosives
Reverse Hyperextension
Posterior Chain
Calf Raise
Abs
Dumbbell Clean
Neck Rotation/Twisting
Notes
Circuit
Three different excercises.
Pulling Move (Rows)
Pushing Move (Chest/Tricep)
Shoulder Move (Lat Raises)
Farmers Walk
Walk length of gym holding 20 kg plates
Explosives
Squats
Box Squats
Box Jumps
Special Excercise
Can be any excercise
3-5 Minutes rest between sets
10-30 Reps
Stopping short of failure
*Courtesy of Muscle & Fitness*
instant.muscle
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first off wtf is a kettlebell swing? and 2nd i dont believe someone can get a massive chest like that doing only bench press for chest and only twice a week
digimon7068
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gjohnson5 said:
i think pretty much all observed differences are evolutionary. . .either natural or forced. . .e.g., the huns, in addition to being prolific pillagers, were prolific procreators. . .this is the reason for many of the asian physical characteristics in certain parts of russia and other areas where there is no "asian" population. . .
digimon7068
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gjohnson5 said:
or some condoms. . .in the case of the huns
digimon7068
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gjohnson5 said:
fixed
instant.muscle said:
There used to be a guy at a gym I went to - I don't know what he did at home or anywhere else but all I ever saw him do was chins and pushups. He'd do set after set of them, back and forth. I don't think he counted sets or reps or anything, he just did them what seemed like an hour - total prison workout. He looked better than 99% of the people there.
Back to genetics again?
He was a white guy, fwiw.
crazyjoe
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First off his chest is not all that massive. It "looks" like it is because he is lean(not 4%bf),but lean. Here is a link to answer your question on kettlebells.instant.muscle said:
http://www.mikemahler.com/store/manual_kb40.html
off_safety
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wow, i cant believe this thread is still going! how come no 'thread of the week' nods?
anyway, i guess i opened a can a worms saying he was a yoked ass nigga. my point of
this thread was to show what a truely gifted athlete looks like. i think bb'ing's great,
but pushing weight isnt that impressive to me. there has to be a purpose rather than
mere asthetics, imo. i think T.O.'s gotta a great body as well. (not gay) and he's the
best WR in the league. so he's not just looking pretty, he's got skills.
anyway, i guess i opened a can a worms saying he was a yoked ass nigga. my point of
this thread was to show what a truely gifted athlete looks like. i think bb'ing's great,
but pushing weight isnt that impressive to me. there has to be a purpose rather than
mere asthetics, imo. i think T.O.'s gotta a great body as well. (not gay) and he's the
best WR in the league. so he's not just looking pretty, he's got skills.
off_safety
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also, i would gladly give up both testicles(after some sperm is banked) to have T.O. or Davis' talent.
DJ_UFO
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samoth said:I see you failed anthropology 101.
We're all part of the human race. Darker-skinned people are not genetically superior in strength, just as lighter-skinned people are not genetically superior in intelligence.
It's appalling that people still believe such steroetypes.
I'd say...we are human specie, but different races. If that was the case, a Labrador dog would be the same race as a Chihuahua; however, they are the same specie but not the same race. And in humans, besides physical differences, there are brain differences; different races, evolved in different habitats wich forced them to develop different ways of using critical thinking, use of reason, use of logic, common sense; all with one objective: survive. That's how different ways of thinking were created around the world, wich today are incompatible; i.e. first world vs third world.
instant.muscle
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which one is the swing? and couldnt u just use a dumbell or no?crazyjoe said:
