HGH vs IGF-1. Help me choose.

[musclei]

I intended to start with HGH in January but the more I read on the subject, the less sure I am of which of the two to choose.

I would be a first time user of either compound. My short term goal would be to get rid of some very stubborn deposits of fat in my belly and glutes (would HGH be better for this task?) but of course, in the long term I'm more interested in bulking.

IGF-1 sounds like a better option because it's cheaper, it's a pure growth factor and the protocol required to use it sounds like a lot less commitment than with HGH, which takes months before you can get results. The two reasons why I think HGH could be a better choice is that IGF-1 promotes aging while HGH does the exact opposite and because my primary goal is to get leaner, which I don't know if IGF-1 does as well as HGH.

Which one would you guys chose?

 

[dylangemelli]

how old are you

 

[joeblow12345]

Age?

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[musclei]

I'm 31.

 

[goin on 4T]

What is your current body fat?
How is your diet?
How often do you workout?
How often do you do cardio?
Do you drink soda?
What percentage of your daily protien intake do you get from a glass?

 

[joeblow12345]

I'm 31.

Go with igf. Hgh use over 40 can have tremendous benefits.

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[goin on 4T]

Go with igf. Hgh use over 40 can have tremendous benefits.

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I disagree that IGF will desolve, destroy, eat or anything to fat in site injections. It causes cell reproduction.

 

[musclei]

What is your current body fat?
How is your diet?
How often do you workout?
How often do you do cardio?
Do you drink soda?
What percentage of your daily protien intake do you get from a glass?

Did I make it sound like I'm a fatty trying to get thinner on HGH? Sorry I didn't make myself clear: I've been working out forever, same thing with diet. I'm super lean and have veins popping out everywhere. I'm in it to bulk up, but before I'd like to get rid of some fat that's just enough to cover my abs.
No sodas, no junk food... I live in the gym.

 

[goin on 4T]

Did I make it sound like I'm a fatty trying to get thinner on HGH? Sorry I didn't make myself clear: I've been working out forever, same thing with diet. I'm super lean and have veins popping out everywhere. I'm in it to bulk up, but before I'd like to get rid of some fat that's just enough to cover my abs.
No sodas, no junk food... I live in the gym.

Post a pic, post your diet and how much cardio do you do?
People are all different you may hold fat there... What is your bf?

 

[joeblow12345]

I disagree that IGF will desolve, destroy, eat or anything to fat in site injections. It causes cell reproduction.

I wasnt saying use igf for fatloss. Hgh is the better choice for fat loss. But at his age I dont feel hgh is beneficial unless he uses a high dose. Igf will help him add mass which was also one of his goals. And its more cost effective to use peptides. To run 8+ius of hgh a day you better have deep pockets.

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[goin on 4T]

I wasnt saying use igf for fatloss. Hgh is the better choice for fat loss. But at his age I dont feel hgh is beneficial unless he uses a high dose. Igf will help him add mass which was also one of his goals. And its more cost effective to use peptides. To run 8+ius of hgh a day you better have deep pockets.

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Ok I am not trying to argue with you bro.
Where did you come up with 8iu's? that's pretty extreme.


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[musclei]

Post a pic, post your diet and how much cardio do you do?
People are all different you may hold fat there... What is your bf?

Sorry, I'm not posting any pics yet. And I don't know my bf% either. All I can tell you is that I'm super lean and my only problem fat-wise is that I hold a minimal layer of fat on top of my abs. It's nothing too problematic or even noticeable, but I promised myself I wouldn't bulk again until I got rid of it and it's taking longer than I thought it would, even when I'm taking T4 and Clen.

I'll probably go with IGF-1 anyway but it's a shame because I was looking forward to the trimming effect of HGH. I guess that'll have to wait.

 

[joeblow12345]

Ok I am not trying to argue with you bro.
Where did you come up with 8iu's? that's pretty extreme.


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Normally when younger guys use it for bb they use 8+ ius day. I know several that use 10 ius day, which is something I wouldnt do personally. From what I have heard the lower doses dont elicit the same effects in younger people as their natural levels are already high. I have never used it so I cant speak from experience, but I do know that peptides work and are alot cheaper. So for me its a better option. Know if I was rich and money didnt matter Id try hgh. I just cant justify spending more money on hgh in one month, then Id spend on juice all year. If the op has the disposible income to finance it then give it a whirl.

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[JayDiesel]

I've heard the same thing 4-8iu daily for bodybuilding purposes

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[goin on 4T]

For bodybuilding purposes I would recommend 10IU's 3 times per week intra muscular immediately post work out.
HGH isn't that expensive anymore unless you buy it in the US.

 

[Northup]

10 iu a day can come with some nasty sides. Like bone overgrowth.


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[goin on 4T]

10 iu a day can come with some nasty sides. Like bone overgrowth.


Pimping is easy

Its not everyday. Its only 3 times per week.
And the only sides are increadible mass gains.

 

[infraredline]

For bodybuilding purposes I would recommend 10IU's 3 times per week intra muscular immediately post work out.
HGH isn't that expensive anymore unless you buy it in the US.

^im srry but this is idiotic, 10ius is not gonna do anything but give you acromegly if your gonna do synthetic gh 4ius is more then enough which is the better choice of the two you presented, I say this because for one igf down regulates your igf receptors therefore rendering your own igf useless after 4weeks and secondly when you use hgh it converts into your own igf at a range of 5-6 micrograms of igf per iu of gh therefore 4ius of hgh is equivalent to 20-24mcg of your own igf which is more then enough igf and is more efficient then lr3 or des

 

[goin on 4T]

^im srry but this is idiotic, 10ius is not gonna do anything but give you acromegly if your gonna do synthetic gh 4ius is more then enough which is the better choice of the two you presented, I say this because for one igf down regulates your igf receptors therefore rendering your own igf useless after 4weeks and secondly when you use hgh it converts into your own igf at a range of 5-6 micrograms of igf per iu of gh therefore 4ius of hgh is equivalent to 20-24mcg of your own igf which is more then enough igf and is more efficient then lr3 or des

This isn't idiotic. Have you tried it?
It's only 30IU's per week. Before you go call this idiotic you should know more about what it is you are talking about.
I have run gh and IGF for years in more ways than you have ever known.
So don't knock what you haven't tried. Its not like I am saying take 70IU's per week. I guarantee you won't have any sides, not acromegly or any bs like that.

Read this it may help you learn:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-post8783322.html#post8783322

 

[bigbassturd]

He didn't say every day, he said 3 times a week. That's about standard

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[infraredline]

This isn't idiotic. Have you tried it?
It's only 30IU's per week. Before you go call this idiotic you should know more about what it is you are talking about.
I have run gh and IGF for years in more ways than you have ever known.
So don't knock what you haven't tried. Its not like I am saying take 70IU's per week. I guarantee you won't have any sides, not acromegly or any bs like that.

Read this it may help you learn:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-post8783322.html#post8783322

Ahh I didn't not see you said only 3x a week I jumped to a conclusion when I saw 10ius abd freaked cause I thought you were saying per day cause I know many people that will recommend such, my apologies to you but I am curious to this 3x a week method, over on datbetrue the charts they have show that gh tapers off after a few hours therefore you would only have elevated levels 3 days a week vs with 4ius a day you would get the same dose with elevated levels every day of the week

 

[goin on 4T]

Ahh I didn't not see you said only 3x a week I jumped to a conclusion when I saw 10ius abd freaked cause I thought you were saying per day cause I know many people that will recommend such, my apologies to you but I am curious to this 3x a week method, over on datbetrue the charts they have show that gh tapers off after a few hours therefore you would only have elevated levels 3 days a week vs with 4ius a day you would get the same dose with elevated levels every day of the week

I really am not interested in a chart, what interests me is when I saw a new method and I tried it and guess what it worked and it worked better than any other method I have ever seen for putting on mass. So try it, don't try it, I know it works.

 

[infraredline]

I really am not interested in a chart, what interests me is when I saw a new method and I tried it and guess what it worked and it worked better than any other method I have ever seen for putting on mass. So try it, don't try it, I know it works.

Well I'm running ghrp-6 and mod-grf and am seeing great results with them so I don't plan on using synthetic gh since I'd rather use my own gh but hey I always value real world experience over charts so I will be sure to pass it on to others but I feel we are probably stealing this thread, anyways to answer the original question try both ways with the gh and see which one works best for you as everyone is different but do put some value on goin on 4T's method as he has shown that it works

 

[musclei]

I say this because for one igf down regulates your igf receptors therefore rendering your own igf useless after 4weeks and secondly when you use hgh it converts into your own igf at a range of 5-6 micrograms of igf per iu of gh therefore 4ius of hgh is equivalent to 20-24mcg of your own igf which is more then enough igf and is more efficient then lr3 or des

Thanks for bringing such useful information to the discussion, Going on T4. I love numbers! and it seems that 4ui of HGH ED or your proposed approach of injecting all week's dose in three days sounds like the better option. Still, HGH can't beat IGF-1's price so I think I'm going to start with that and reevaluate in 6 months.

 

[goin on 4T]

Thanks for bringing such useful information to the discussion, Going on T4. I love numbers! and it seems that 4ui of HGH ED or your proposed approach of injecting all week's dose in three days sounds like the better option. Still, HGH can't beat IGF-1's price so I think I'm going to start with that and reevaluate in 6 months.

IGF is better at building muscle than HGH. I have run IGF in the past, and so yes its easy to pick IGF of GH.
Good luck to you.

 

[ballslee]

you do not need to run 8+ IUs a day of HGH to see results whatsoever.
HGH fat loss occurs fairly quickly in my opinion. Muscle gains are slow yes, and it is a big committment to inject almost every day.
I would leave your glutes alone with HGH injects tho, unless you can pull fat off your ass then don't shoot HGH there.

Lots of people combine both. Just with the IGF make sure you do not use too large of a dosage, because you do not want to cause intestinal growth.

8IU's a day is this magic number people throw out there, but simply is people who have not used HGH and do not know the benefits of lower dosages.
3IU's a day is perfect to begin with, and gives phenomenal results. It is also cost effective in this manner. And the way HGH should be used is by steadily increasing your dosage over 2 week intervals increasing by .5IU, and any sides that may occur means your body is not ready for a larger dosage yet. Getting to 8IU's a day properly, would take quite a while. And in my opinion, one will notice the results starting with the lower dosages and potentially decide to keep the dosage lower. 8IU's a day is where people experience the negative effects of HGH in my opinion. Jaw growth, intestinal growth, numbness in hands, carpel tunnel, etc.

 

[ballslee]

the 10IU 3 times a week is also a great way to run the HGH. HGH is not as expensive as everyone believes it is at all. IGF is actually fairly expensive.

 

[Tectime]

4t's 3x im weekly injections of hgh def will help add mass and definition when injected post workout. The swell and pump of the body part worked prior to injection will stay up longer (days) and recovery seems to come quicker. This is something I can attest to from experience, years of hgh from 1.5 iu suq q to 6 iu sub q daily, and the 3x 6 iu im weekly, great results both ways, (you see I said 6iu im that's all it took for me to see great results)