Help with my tren dec cycle maybe with rest now

[csc1528]

Whats up guys im back with more questions.

so ive been thinking about everyone constantly telling me that tren must be run with test.
one reason i dont want test but might have to get it is that it could give me gyno.( and im deathly afraid of it as everyone is lol)

is there a type of test that doesnt cause as much weight gain or that bloat? or is there another aas i could take that wouldnt make me feel like shit while on just tren? maybe winstrol?

and would the tren alone sides basicaklly be lethargy, progesterone sides and maybe ed( which i have takin xtreme tren and i think its a designer steroid of trenbolone) and never had any ed problems, just a little lethargic but nothin i couldnt handle.

And do u think since i have never had any gyno issues with the xtreme tren, that it would be unlikely for me to get gyno from tren?

thx

 

[joe d]

Whats up guys im back with more questions.

so ive been thinking about everyone constantly telling me that tren must be run with test.
one reason i dont want test but might have to get it is that it could give me gyno.( and im deathly afraid of it as everyone is lol) tren causes gyno also. tren alone will make you feal like shit and give you ed

is there a type of test that doesnt cause as much weight gain or that bloat? or is there another aas i could take that wouldnt make me feel like shit while on just tren? maybe winstrol? test and winny sounds like a better plan. test prop will cause less bloat then e, c, or sust.

and would the tren alone sides basicaklly be lethargy, progesterone sides and maybe ed( which i have takin xtreme tren and i think its a designer steroid of trenbolone) and never had any ed problems, just a little lethargic but nothin i couldnt handle. its not the same thing. this is real tren we are talking about, dont get them confused.

And do u think since i have never had any gyno issues with the xtreme tren, that it would be unlikely for me to get gyno from tren? this is not true



thx

1-8 test prop 150mg eod
4-8 winny 50mg ed
1-8 .25mg adex eod
1-12 cycle/liver support
8-10 40mg nolva ed
10-12 20mg nolva ed
8-12 pp trs or another otc pct

 

[csc1528]

thank you

 

[csc1528]

hey joe could i just substitute the test for the winstrol and get away with that instead of running test.

i dont want the weight gain im a small guy only 5'8 i dont want to look stupid i just like the working out to be as strong as i can at the lightest possible weight.

 

[csc1528]

and if not what would be the lowest amount of test prop i would have to take to feel good and have no ed.( i dont care to get any gains from the test i think the tren gains will suffice)

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Stop being scared of test. What are your reasons? You are scared of gyno...ok i understand. Is it because you KNOW you are prone, or are you just scared of it? If you know you are then Run the test and take an AI. If you are just speculating then stop it, that is ridiculous. Run the test, and have an AI. Run the deca and tren with it if you like. But running two nandrolones together like that you MUST have an anti prog/prolactin like caber/dostinex and you will be fine. If you have never run real tren before I suggest you just run test and tren before you try to run deca with it. Not running test with tren OR deca or both is a really bad idea IMHO.
On a side note, as JoeD said, nolva is fine for pct if you dont run tren. But if you DO use tren, deca or both do not use nolva with them.

 

[joe d]

in that case run the test at 50mg eod and drop the adex

 

[csc1528]

burnthis im not taking deca i guess i wasnt to clear in the thread title its tren decanoate. im not tryin to gain much weight so definatly not deca.

 

[csc1528]

so joe i could just take it like so

1-10 tren d 150mg 2x a week
1-10 test prop at 50mg eod
1-10 hcg 250 iu 2x a week

and im confused about pct between nolva and clomid.
ive gotten mixed responses about whether to run nolva with tren?
a little help with a pct would be appreciated

thx

and yes im scared of gyno but im also dont want to be like 200lbs

 

[joe d]

man drop the tren. use winny instead. tren is the best mass builder out there. its also the worst for you. you dont want mass so leave it alone. if you dont want to use winny use var. var will do way more for you then the tren would any way. its safer, it works faster, it gives you more stregnth. if you ran tren you would want the clomid. if you leave nandros out of your cycle use nolva. and no the cycle you have planned is no good. im sorry im not willing to lay out a tren cycle for you its just pointless. if you where looking for big size gains i would be more willing.

 

[csc1528]

i was under the impression that the tren gives far more strength gains and not too much weight gain on a good diet.

 

[dark-knight]

if you dont want to gain size and look " Stupid " steroids are prob not for you. if you want to " stay at the same weight you are now and get as strong as you can at that weight " i would suggest protien. Going of your posts in this thread you have not cycled before, so if you wanted to start now tren is not the compound you are looking for anyway.

maybe look at a low dose of test and see how you like it.

 

[joe d]

i was under the impression that the tren gives far more strength gains and not too much weight gain on a good diet.

not true.

im actually wondering if a var only cycle might be a better idea that the test var or test winny.

 

[csc1528]

ive takin prohormones/designers and worked very well im sure the gains would amount to a test cycle just they work much faster.

i already have the tren and i have seen freinds take it only a lean bulk diet and gain 10 15 pounds and loose a good bit of bf and get insane strength..
im completetly fine with that weight gain i just dont want the weaker muscle gain. i want the stronger muscle gain i know i will loose weight and strength i just want it to be more weight than strength.

 

[csc1528]

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