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Help on ECA stack (cycling, dosage)

crossy

crossy

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Thanks for looking in.

I finished a 13-14 week bulk about 4 weeks ago and have been on what i had left of my T-Rex from my last cut. As i am running out of them i thought i would give a ECA stack a go to see how i react to it. Now i am unsure on cycling it and dosages etc and need alittle help.

Stats are...

Age 28
Weight around 179lb give or take
Doing 5 X 5 3 days and 2 days cardio

The eca stack is premade and looks like this

E- 25mg, C- 200mg, A-100mg

Now i am curious on what i asked before, what dailt dosages people take what time and how long before taking a break and how long the break is etc.

Thanks a million

Crossy
 
ok my man, here is what i use...

Mu Huang - 312mg (25mg ephedra)
Caffeine - 200mg
Aspirin - 100mg
Citrus Aurantium - 250mg
Coleus Forskohlii - 100mg
Yohimbine - 5mg
Bioprene - 5mg

This is a serious ECA stack...

i dosage like this

8:00am
12:00pm
4:00 pm

Thats all there is too it.

I know the safety line to Epehdra is 75mg/day. I try not to go over that at all. Plus in my ECA stack the other shit is working too =]

if your online now, ill be monitoring this thread for your reply..
 
Thanks alot Bro. K to you.

Its teh first time i have looked at taking any sort of Eph product but i have read alot of good things.

I take it the cycle would be 2 weeks on 2 weks off? Also i would not be looking to cycle any other sort of product in the 2 weeks off from eph, would this be ok?

The stack i am getting is from the SEN site you used to get yours from (that was a while back) so im unsure if the product is good.

Do i ramp the tabs up? say 1 on first day 2 on 2nd etc up to, well say 3 if 75mg is the thresh hold for safety.

Before or after food like T-rex?

Sorry for all the questions bro, obviously wanna make sure i get the most out of it.

Thanks again Bro....
 
crossy said:
Thanks alot Bro. K to you.

Its teh first time i have looked at taking any sort of Eph product but i have read alot of good things.

I take it the cycle would be 2 weeks on 2 weks off? Also i would not be looking to cycle any other sort of product in the 2 weeks off from eph, would this be ok?

The stack i am getting is from the SEN site you used to get yours from (that was a while back) so im unsure if the product is good.

Thanks again Bro....
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ah, if your picking it up from SEN, then it will be the SAME exact product =]

I use ECA for months, maybe 1-2 months. No need to cycle on off 2 weeks, its not clen =]

people usually use ECA, during the 2 weeks off from clen....thats what your thinking of.

you will shred like a mofo, hope you picked up 2 bottles u will love that stuff man trust me.
 
Thanks m8, yeah i picked up 2 bottles due to the shipping to the UK. Gonna take up to 5 weeks aswell.

If my cals are around 2200 ratios 40/30/30 same dosage is ok?

When i do take a break say after 6-8 weeks, how long should i break for? WIll i need to drop cals below 2200 due to my metabolism slowing down again?

Thanks again :)
 
crossy said:
Thanks m8, yeah i picked up 2 bottles due to the shipping to the UK.

If my cals are around 2200 ratios 40/30/30 same dosage is ok?

Thanks again :)
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the science behinde epehdra = it metabolizes your own T4 (useless for burning fat) into T3 (which burns fat)

reguarless of cals you should be fine, is it above your BMR level? or just below maintenance, your gonna have to feel if your loosing too much muscle, but for me i dont loose muscle on eca, only fat. Cardio shreds my muscles....
 
Yeah just below maintenenace. So you would not do cardio on off days?

Also when i do take a break say after 6-8 weeks, how long should i break for?

Thanks :)
 
crossy said:
Yeah just below maintenenace. So you would not do cardio on off days?

Also when i do take a break say after 6-8 weeks, how long should i break for?

Thanks :)
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im just starting up my cardio, but im also on again. i loose too much muscle running....so i try not too. but as of lately my diet has not been shredding me like it used it...

So i took the ECA a month before Doing Cardio,
Im now On, and my cardio will increase, still using ECA stack.
I will take 2 weeks off, then go on another bottle most likely....not sure yet. My stack is Test/Eq, so with a clean diet and cardio i should shred like a mofo.

If cardio doesnt make u loose too much muscle then go at it on your off days, just watch your weights in the gym if they drop, that means too much cardio...

(but i have heard ECA helps protect muscle by making your body anabolic, not catabolic...but im not 100% on this, i know clen does this...)
 
Thanks bro and finally one last quesition ( i hope )

When i first start should i ramp up like 1 a day then 2 the second day then 3 teh 3rd day (max) or just take 1, 3 times a day strait away ?

Thanks Again
 
crossy said:
Thanks bro and finally one last quesition ( i hope )

When i first start should i ramp up like 1 a day then 2 the second day then 3 teh 3rd day (max) or just take 1, 3 times a day strait away ?

Thanks Again
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Serving size 2 pills, this is why i recommend two bottles =]

i strart with

1pill 3x day
then
2 pills am, 1 pill afternoon, 1 pill before 4ish

then

2pills 3x day (by the end of the first week)

if you dont feel it, up the dosage...

ALSO food consumption will effect the sides, empty stomach eca, i will shake like a mofo and be very jittery, but if i eat it with food, the effects are less noticable..
 
Just take it slow and then ramp up... you'll be fine crossy, it doesn't really feel any different from t-rex. Just don't take it and then go to cardio.
 
Kabeetz said:
Just take it slow and then ramp up... you'll be fine crossy, it doesn't really feel any different from t-rex. Just don't take it and then go to cardio.
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Kabeetz, i personally love it for cardio, why do u say no?

and also kabeetz, this ECA stack is strong as shit, i can compare it to 'clen like' and i have used both clen/eca and i prefer this premade stacker....

(yohimbine gives me the shakes alone, and it is in the stacker)
 
Do people take it before or after eating. Currently My T-Rex i take 1 directly after breakfast 1 directly after lunch and 1 before training ( if not training day 1 directly after dinner) I mainly had T-Rex after eating due to it coming back up again if i take it on a empty stomach, if i was doing cardio i would just have half a bannana and then take it.

I am thinking 3 X 1 caps a day from the get go? pretty much the same as i was doing wth the T-Rex. The 4th tab of the eca stack would take it over 75mg of eph would it not? over the reccommeded amount per day?

Ta Crossy
 
crossy said:
Do people take it before or after eating. Currently My T-Rex i take 1 directly after breakfast 1 directly after lunch and 1 before training ( if not training day 1 directly after dinner) I mainly had T-Rex after eating due to it coming back up again if i take it on a empty stomach, if i was doing cardio i would just have half a bannana and then take it.

I am thinking 3 X 1 caps a day from the get go? pretty much the same as i was doing wth the T-Rex. The 4th tab of the eca stack would take it over 75mg of eph would it not? over the reccommeded amount per day?

Ta Crossy
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listen mofo stop being a pussy lol jk

2 pills = 25mg serving
4 pills =50mg
6 pills = 75mg (saftey point)

your missing that 1 pill is HALF a serving =]

i cant take it on empty stomach either, i throw it back up ASAP.

thats why breakfast i eat then take or take 5 mins before my meal, but lunch + dinner i can take it way before eating....
 
For real just take it is no big deal.

I've always ordered ephedrine hcl and then just added a 200mg vivarin and and aspirin to make my stack... I might try the one u're referring to down the line though since you like it so much mm.

I personally don't mix e/c/a and HIIT cardio because my heart gets a pounding feeling and whatever stupid deaths that have occurred have been from guys who have taken it and then done a spring training workout (in the heat, pads on, cardio-like state). That might just be me and my paranoia. It is great pre-workout before lifting though and you might find you like it before cardio (also u might like it before steady state but not HIIT, which is what I usually do.)

mm's right though crossy, just do it man :)
 
mm107 said:
listen mofo stop being a pussy lol jk

2 pills = 25mg serving
4 pills =50mg
6 pills = 75mg (saftey point)

your missing that 1 pill is HALF a serving =]

i cant take it on empty stomach either, i throw it back up ASAP.

thats why breakfast i eat then take or take 5 mins before my meal, but lunch + dinner i can take it way before eating....
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Fuck yeah i was thinking 25mg per pill..

ok i will leave you alone now lol

Thanks for all the info to both of you :)
 
crossy said:
Just to clear up this is the one you are taking?

http://www.senutrition.com/metabolic-fuel.html
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YES IT IS! (so please remove the link so they dont run out of my summer supply! lol jk)

yeah same one brother....

kabeetz, your definately right HIIT style running makes me feel like i have shortness of breath....

i like ECA and then going for a steady paced run..... i usually do the stairmaster as cardio too....so this makes me SWEATTT.

i also stick away from ECA on extremely hot days too kabeetz, no such thing as too parenoid when it comes to your life.

ALSO kabeetz, isnt vavarin a sleeping agent? just wondering? would be awsome to get an eca pill in bedtime to burn fat overnight.

(you should DEF try the stack we are talking about the ingrediants i listed above....the additional ingredients will shred you up, the ECY is a bonus =])
 
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ALSO kabeetz, isnt vavarin a sleeping agent? just wondering? would be awsome to get an eca pill in bedtime to burn fat overnight.
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Nah man.. vivarin is just a 200mg caffeine pill, a couple of which are often taken by college students trying to cram for finals :)
 
Sweet it turned up today only 10 days, was expecting 5-6 weeks :)

Popped one before my workout (about 30 mins) was stretching for about 30 mins didnt feel anything so i just popped another, they way some people go on about it i was expecting to breakdancing round the gym with the jitters but i had non whatsoever (i ate about 45-1hour prior so maybe this helped) The only reel effects i have felt thus far is my appetite i am not hungry remotely. Is there a loading period?
 
Not familiar on the brand but accordin to mm, serving size is 2 pills... So you should eventually ramp up to 2 servings of 2 pills each. and eventually a 3rd serving.... I'm surprised, if it is dosed correctly.. that you didn't feel anything. I don't usually feel much either but first day normally you would.

I personally get to the point where I take 50mg eph 2x a day so that would be 8 pills a day for that brand
 
As MMl said i dont want to go over the reccomended safety mark 75mg. I will just see, i have no doubts it will work a treat. Maybe its because i was on the T-rex and am used to stims.
 
I would definitely stick with whatever dosage is recommended...just remember 75mg is 6 caps a day...., so you can do 4 and 2 or three sets of 2, or two sets of 3. Play around with what gets you amped.
 
hey man, glad you got em in,

2 pills serving, so take 2 before a workout, also try to take it 45mins before hand (especially if you have eaten, so the pill does have time to digest)

i sometimes dont feel too much, but then all of a sudden i will go into a heat flash and sweat...

dont think so much, ECA is a wonderfull thing, if your not getting the jitters, then maybe its a good thing lol....i havnt dared pop 3 pills yet....

but give them a week, then we can tell if you should do 3pills/serving...

when sarge was here, he picked them up and had to stop because of anxiety they were too strong, so they are potent....

hope they kick in soon tho, the fat burning properties are great...
 
Well its been a few daysnow i upped them slghtly. But i think i opend my mouth to soon. They are potent, when people said shaking i was expecting by hands twitching or something along those lines, but its more of a whole body thing hard to explain also get abit of anxiety aswell. I am hoping the anxiety will die down some its not really there through training i notice it more when i am not training. Sticking with them though.

Thanks again

Crossy
 
So this stuff is really supposed to be that good?...Im looking for an alternative to Thermorexin cuz after 2 years on and off its starting to lose its effects...
 
I was having T-Rex and Redblast and for the actual buzz u get off the ECA stack is really strong in comparison. As for the fat burning etc i obviously cannot tell you yet as i havent been on them long enough to tell. But if Mml says it works i belive him whole heartedly, look at the guys progress.
 
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Yeah, I think Ill order a bottle since I have about 10 Trex left...Ima start with 1 bottle because $80 for a product that I dont know how it is going to work is kinda high. Anyways, Keep this thread updated, so I can gauge the results :-)

I'll probably order mine tomorrow since its pay day :-)
 
crossy said:
Well its been a few daysnow i upped them slghtly. But i think i opend my mouth to soon. They are potent, when people said shaking i was expecting by hands twitching or something along those lines, but its more of a whole body thing hard to explain also get abit of anxiety aswell. I am hoping the anxiety will die down some its not really there through training i notice it more when i am not training. Sticking with them though.

Thanks again

Crossy
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ahhh my man, see i told you lol...once the stuff starts building up in the system they really kick in.....my hands dont tremble much, its other things like twitching, anxious, etc...

if your on 2+ pills, that would explain the anxiety, that is over 200mg/caffein man lol

the yohimbine alone has systematic fat loss properties, so trust me with time you will see results....

my 2nd bottle is almost done, im gonna take 1 week off them before going back on...

find your dosage that u can take crossy, and dont go over much, u dont need much if your diet + training is on point.

Djlegacy, these things are no where near 80$.....were you refering to another product>?
 
No,

40$ a bottle...Two bottles= $80 :-) Thats why I said Id start with 1 bottle and see how I feel on it before ordering the 2nd one.
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
No,

40$ a bottle...Two bottles= $80 :-) Thats why I said Id start with 1 bottle and see how I feel on it before ordering the 2nd one.
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AH YOU ARE RIGHT!

i always pick up 2 bottles, because i love the results...

give it a go, most likely u will love em, make sure to order before u run out, keep those levels nice and high....
 
Im defo gonna stick to 2 X 3 a day i had that today and although i get anxious i am finding today much better. Just out of curosity how long does it take to kick in result wise? My training is good 5 X 5 and my diet imo is pretty decent aswell.
 
crossy said:
Im defo gonna stick to 2 X 3 a day i had that today and although i get anxious i am finding today much better. Just out of curosity how long does it take to kick in result wise? My training is good 5 X 5 and my diet imo is pretty decent aswell.
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Crossy... Those sides will decrease as a) your body builds up a tolerance to them and b) you get less anxious about it because clearly you were anxious about all the hype surrounding eca and those unsure feelings don't go away over night (and that's OK).

As for the results kicking in.. the results kick in immediately. You're feeling the sides, it's doing you good pre-workout, so it is clearly stimulating your metabolism. How much fat you lose is directly related to how many calories you take in and how hard you work out... but it raises your metabolism from as soon as the ingredients hit your blood stream, the rest is up to you.
 
Kabeetz said:
Crossy... Those sides will decrease as a) your body builds up a tolerance to them and b) you get less anxious about it because clearly you were anxious about all the hype surrounding eca and those unsure feelings don't go away over night (and that's OK).

As for the results kicking in.. the results kick in immediately. You're feeling the sides, it's doing you good pre-workout, so it is clearly stimulating your metabolism. How much fat you lose is directly related to how many calories you take in and how hard you work out... but it raises your metabolism from as soon as the ingredients hit your blood stream, the rest is up to you.
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kabeetz just nailed the answer.....perfect bro. k to you
 
I ordered a bottle this morning...Ima see how it goes for a week or two and if its working out I'll order a second bottle. Im not dropping 80$ on a product that I dont know how its going to be :-)

Anyways, I guess it should be here early next week...my guess anyways.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
I ordered a bottle this morning...Ima see how it goes for a week or two and if its working out I'll order a second bottle. Im not dropping 80$ on a product that I dont know how its going to be :-)

Anyways, I guess it should be here early next week...my guess anyways.

-Legacy
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they ship quick...2-3 day...

glad u ordered u wont be dissapointed....once u read the ingrediants u will see, top quality product
 
Yeah 2-3 i figure will be monday or tuesday since there is no shipping on sundays.

Anyways, Im guessing I shouldnt take this stuff any time close to when I play basketball and such correct?

Its fine around regular steady cardio sessions and lifting though?

Just making sure I have times for dosing correct.

-Legacy
 
I didnt have a choice really as shipping to UK was $30 so it was easier to order 2 bottles, it only took around 9-10 days to be delivered. Anyhow i am getting used to the anxiety now and feel much more comfortable at 2 X 3 a day. Thanks for all teh advice again guys, appreciate it alot.

:)
 
crossy said:
I didnt have a choice really as shipping to UK was $30 so it was easier to order 2 bottles, it only took around 9-10 days to be delivered. Anyhow i am getting used to the anxiety now and feel much more comfortable at 2 X 3 a day. Thanks for all teh advice again guys, appreciate it alot.

:)
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see told you =]

its more of a restless feeling for me...

too bad my entire shirt is drenched hot ass office today lol

ohh its time for my 3rd serving =] burn baby burn
 
So guys, you may have missed the questions, but is it not a good idea to take these around basketball time? Should I cut back on days that Im going to be playing basketball for several hours? But its safe to take around steady cardio and lifting sessions correct?

Thanks Again
-Legacy
 
Just took 2 about 30 mins ago for the first time, Im about to go into work from 12 to 7pm. I will take 1 cap-2 more times today, for a grand total of 2 servings, 1 full in the am and 2 half servings through the day. I will come home and do cardio and lifting after work.

If you guys can check my questions from the previous posts, Id appriciate it :-)

-Legacy

PS: I can feel the 200mg of caffeine already...
 
Took 4 total yesterday, I did feel the anxiety at work, my stomach felt a little like I wanted to throw up for half the day.

I took 2 more this morning 20 mins before cardio, I got threw 45mins of cardio without even thinking about stopping. Im gonna take 2 more in an hour or two, and try a 3rd dose after that, this would put me at the max dose on day 2. We will see if I get there.

Also I was reading old posts on this board saying that mixing ECA and Yohimbine HCL was a BAD idea and is real bad for your cardiovascular system? So is this stack from SEN really that good?

-Legacy
 
In reguards to Yohimbine...

I know what you are reading, but i have read the opposite as well....

ECY is highly recommended stack, now in reguards to yohimbine being the best choice over yohibe, i dont know.

i wish someone who knew better will answer...

but yohimbine, has been shown to be very good for fat loss, topical or systemmatic...
(YES, the topical fat burner is Yohimbine)

there might be bad alkoloids in yohimbine, but i believe there are a TON more bad ones in the herb...
 
I took the full dose today (2pills - 3 times) and havent had any problems...So I guess we will see how this stuff works :-) Do you really see a big difference when cutting with it, from without it?...I keep hearing stories of people dropping like 30 lbs in 2 months, but then i hear the people that say the results are minimal and the sides were to bad to make it worth it.

-Legacy
 
Thought i would check in, been on max dosing since about the 3rd day. Feel anxiety somewhat but getting easier to cope with rather than it going away. I had a heavy weekend away as i went to watch the UFC 70 event and i was away for 2 days, i only took it in the mornings non before i went out on the piss. Gonna weigh myself today i still feel i have dropped weight and for some reason my vasicularity in my arms seems to have increased, although i have not read of this happening with ECA?. Anyhow will report back after weighing in.

Ta Crossy
 
Im only doing 2 doses today as I am going out to play BBall for a couple hours later and I dont want to take the 3rd dose because it will be too close to me going out and running around outside.

I havent gotten any jitters, crazy energy, or terrible sweating like everyone talks about. I seem to be a bit more alert and focussed, maybe a little warm, and i guess awake but no huge energy boost.

Im hoping the stuff is working because I havent really gotten any of the sides that anyone talks about, even at the full dose.

Im gonna stay with it though because it did seem to help me breeze through cardio yesterday.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Im only doing 2 doses today as I am going out to play BBall for a couple hours later and I dont want to take the 3rd dose because it will be too close to me going out and running around outside.

I havent gotten any jitters, crazy energy, or terrible sweating like everyone talks about. I seem to be a bit more alert and focussed, maybe a little warm, and i guess awake but no huge energy boost.

Im hoping the stuff is working because I havent really gotten any of the sides that anyone talks about, even at the full dose.

Im gonna stay with it though because it did seem to help me breeze through cardio yesterday.

-Legacy
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honestly u should feel it, maybe ur just lucky! bump it up 3 pills and see how u feel,(for first serving of the day)
 
Just popped my first 2 of the day about 10 mins ago...Im going to do some cardio in a couple mins and see how it effects it...I was reading how one guy thought it was best to take 150mgs of ephedra a day. Now I know that is past the safety line, but could it be that he thought it was best because some people need more to get results? I dont want to go ramping this up too much becaus eI dont want cafeine crashes or problems during cardio sessions.

Do you think I should add half a dose to the early servings and keep the later dose at normal levels? This would be 100mgs of ephedra a day...I dont know, since this is my first time its hard to judge what I should be doing.

Thanks for all the help so far guys
-Legacy

PS: I just ordered a 2nd bottle, in case I need to up the doseing, 1 bottle wasnt going to last.
 
Maybe stick to what you are on for a few weeks and see what results your get in weight loss as i presume that is the main goal. If there is results that as MM said count yourself lucky, my sides are pretty minimal when it comes to sweating etc. On a positive i managed to hit a Dead PR whilst cutting(304lb X 5, shit i know lol) im thanking the ECA for the time being as i was really struggling a few weeks back to hit a lower weight.
 
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Yeah, I'll see how things go...my workouts and all seem to be going well...its just the way people made the eca stack sound, I figured id be going off the walls, sweating to death, having jitters, and all types of stuff.

-Legacy
 
M8 look at the start of this thread i was thinking the same thing, obviously it effects people in diffrent ways.
 
Yeah looks that way...I was accually reading on a "body opus" board that one of the guys that pushes that diet and workout plan that he reccomends 150mgs of ephedra a day...which is 2times what the "safety line" is, so I figured Id see what the deal is. Im not trying to take the levels too high, and im going to wait and see how this goes for the first 2 weeks or so and then decide on what to do with doseing.

:-)

-Legacy
 
Well its been a few weeks now. Abit of a weird result for me. I can still feel it working im knowhere near as anxious as i was but i never got the massive energy rush or mad sweating that some people had on it. Resluts so far, okay i increased my cals somewhat up a few hundred a day (probably between 2500-3000 give or take) mainly protein but increased carbs more on workout days. I have put weigt on lol up about 4lb but my BF looks lower i was abit gutted when i got on the scales that i had put some on but when i looked in the mirror it aint showing i feel leaner (obviously its not alot due to the short time i have been using it) well i havea few more weeks supply then i am going to order some more.


Seperate question, any reccomendations on what to cycle with this on the couple of weeks off eph?

Thanks Crossy
 
Im almost done the first bottle...I NEVER got any of the sides, except maybe a little the first day. Once in a while Ill get a "hot flash" but nothing major. I never got the jitters and I never got a big energy rush. The one thing I found is that I can do an hour of cardio on a bike or elipical in what feels like 15 mins. The belt around my pants has to be tightened another notch now, so I know im losing some bf%, but yeah, the scale isnt moving as much as when I normally cut. Maybe it is perserving more muscle than normal so its going down slower or something, I dont know. Im gonna finish this bottle and the second one and see how it goes when they are both gone.

-Legacy
 
Results so far? Updates? Anyone wanna throw in any thing else up to this point?

I figure this will just be the new ECA thread haha

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Results so far? Updates? Anyone wanna throw in any thing else up to this point?

I figure this will just be the new ECA thread haha

-Legacy
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sorry ive been absent for a while...

seems like the BF% is dropping while preserving muscle....this is my main use of ECA, if you are eating, ephedra should burn only fat....

im almost finished up my 2nd bottle, need to take some time off, im thinking about liboflame now....never tried it tho....

im gonna drop my eca, and pick it back up for couple weekns summer time...but my BF% is considerable lower then begining...
 
I just stated my 2nd bottle yeserday...My "weight loss" on the scale has seemed to stall out the last 2 or 3 days. I dont know if its because I had steak the last 2 days as part of my meals, and the creatine is holding back some water, or if I need to tweak some things. My diet is spot on where it is supposed to be, I upped my cardio to 45mins (between 700-750 cals, bike) on days I dont play bball. Im still lifiting as normal and my lifts are staying the same or slightly increasing oddly enough. I still have about -25lbs to my cutting goal of 165lbs. My diet is as clean as its been in a good long while....So im hoping the slowness of the "weight loss" is muscle preservation or possibly LBM being added since I have a smaller frame. I dont know Im going to keep at it, just crossing my fingers that things are going to keep going the right way.

After 2 bottles should I stop the ECA stack, cuz it seems that 2 bottles may only be about 8 weeks worth or so, or should I keep it going for the full 12weeks?

-Legacy
 
Yeah im prolly gonna run it for 12 weeks, then take a little bit off, then start it back up as needed.

Bottle three will have to be ordered :-P

-Legacy

PS: Im tracking my results from the start of the ecay stack till end, Ill see what the results are. Im also hitting up Dick Sporting Goods tomorrow to buy some more weight and fun goodies. My lifts in some areas are accually going up, which is odd...
 
lol yea, even while cutting on the ECA my lifts go up...

Yes crossy, that is 3 bottles, no rest....but i wouldnt recomend it for the first time....i know the 'effects' have lessened, but its ok, but 3 bottles is MAX lenght i even want to think about going for....

i still get the heat flashes and the shakes in the morning.....so i know its still working...

im going to add lipoflame in between sessions for a less harsh stim...
 
Yeah I was looking at Lipflame, but since its new, there arent much results logged from it yet, so im not sure, I guess by time Im ready for a break from the ECA, more people will have some feedback for everyone.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Yeah I was looking at Lipflame, but since its new, there arent much results logged from it yet, so im not sure, I guess by time Im ready for a break from the ECA, more people will have some feedback for everyone.

-Legacy
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Me too, but since amp02 actually worked for me, i figure ill give it a go...anything to help with cardio....ECA keeps my focused...

my BF is dropping daily still...my obliques are starting to show now....
 
Go you! lol

Im still at like 188, probably 18% bf....So I cant see much of anything. haha

Plus Im also starting to think I have childhood induced gyno...I dont have any lump directly behind my nips, but around the edges feels like its a little firmer than it should be, and my nips seem to be a little puffy...Blah...Its always something...So Im hoping if I get the bf% lower ill be able to tell more, if not, Im going to have to find a solution.

-Legacy
 
mm107 said:
ok my man, here is what i use...

Mu Huang - 312mg (25mg ephedra)
Caffeine - 200mg
Aspirin - 100mg
Citrus Aurantium - 250mg
Coleus Forskohlii - 100mg
Yohimbine - 5mg
Bioprene - 5mg

This is a serious ECA stack...

i dosage like this

8:00am
12:00pm
4:00 pm

Thats all there is too it.

I know the safety line to Epehdra is 75mg/day. I try not to go over that at all. Plus in my ECA stack the other shit is working too =]

if your online now, ill be monitoring this thread for your reply..
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MM.. is this what is listed on the back of that product or is this the stack you put together yourself. I haven't seent ephedra from ma huang in I dont know how long and i would love to use it again. thanks.
 
No Prob bob :-)

If you try it out, post some results and opinions on the product in here :-)

Im trying to compare results and opinions...Im on bottle 2, and probably going to order 1 more then take a little bit off and tryin running Lipoflame or whatever that new one is floating around out there lol.

-Legacy
 
You know I realize the bottles are only 60 doses. 1 serving 3 times a day is only 20 days. 2 bottles is 40 days, just over a month. I have read that ECA works better over time, but not an unsafe amount of time, somewhere around 12 weeks max. I think stopping on 2 bottles may cut back on the full effects.

Anyways, Im going to order bottle 3, which will be 2 months worth total at 60 days. I will let you guys know how things go. So far so good.

I will take 2 weeks off after that and then possibly try Lipoflame AFTER there are some results posted. I just think that Lipoflame may be harder to retain muscle on, but we'll see how it goes amd I'll decide in the weeks to come.

-Legacy

PS: How was everyone results on the ECA so far...lol
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
You know I realize the bottles are only 60 doses. 1 serving 3 times a day is only 20 days. 2 bottles is 40 days, just over a month. I have read that eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin works better over time, but not an unsafe amount of time, somewhere around 12 weeks max. I think stopping on 2 bottles may cut back on the full effects.

Anyways, Im going to order bottle 3, which will be 2 months worth total at 60 days. I will let you guys know how things go. So far so good.

I will take 2 weeks off after that and then possibly try Lipoflame AFTER there are some results posted. I just think that Lipoflame may be harder to retain muscle on, but we'll see how it goes amd I'll decide in the weeks to come.

-Legacy

PS: How was everyone results on the ECA so far...lol
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im glad you became a believer of the ECA stack, i just stopped mine, 3 bottles....and now on lipoflame, ill let you know how it goes....

over time it really does help, so if you have patients it works even better.
 
Yeah problem, I have 2 days left in this bottle, just reordered 2 days ago, so I might have to go a weekend without the ECA AHHHHHH!...Anyways, Im going to work through bottle 3, seeing as that will be about 8 weeks worth total...I will then either continue for the full 12 weeks OR I will take a week off and then try out Lipoflame, depending on how things are going.

-Legacy
 
Gone through both bottles now, i feel no sides whatsoever anymore. I didn get around to ordering a 3rd bottle so i just got some of a decent guy i know. Im sure they have more Eph in thinking around 60mg per cap, i dose 1 twice a day on theses ones. Gonna run for another few weeks and see what happends. I have defo lost some body fat but hard to tell what from as my diet has changed alot and i am no longer doing the 5 X 5 changed over to a 3 day split and cardio 2 days a week.

Crossy
 
I Love SEN Nutrition...I reordered 2 days ago thinking that Id have to go a weekend without the ECA...well It came today ALREADY! Woot Woot! lol
 
mm any update on that lipoflame. Im really on the fence about ordering it. I know i will love the eca stack but i also want to sleep at night. So i figured the lipoflame should be just enough. But after buying and throwing away many supplements in the past i am leary.
 
Sleep?...Ive never had sleep problems on the ECA...and I take it as late as 8pm sometimes....I accually just took a dose 10 mins ago.
 
well maybe i woudn't have a problem. what time do you go to bed though? But i dont hit the gym until like 630pm and then im in bed by 10 at the latest. I have to get up at 4.
 
I can normally get to sleep whenever I feel like it. Its different with everyone, some people cant sleep after an energy drink....so....its gonna be on a case to case basis.
 
m8 its $110 for 2 bottles delivered thats only £55ish.

As for calories i increased mine slightly around 200-300 cals more a day, mainly protein.
 
will my gains continue to increase even though i'll be using eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin??

also, directed to crossy mainly, how long did the bottles take to come to the uk?
 
Lo m8, about 10 days which suprised me very quick. Gains will continue its down your diet really. MMA done a clean bulk using ECA and his gains were ridiculous, there is a post i think in the diet section about it.
 
cool, gettin pretty excited now as i'm taking sida cordifolia at the mo and loving the energy effects (prob not a patch on the ephedra) it works great since i'm a salesman who works on commission lol

oh yeah crossy, chat to you on msn sometime, sorry about when you added me, wasn't being ignorant lol
 
Ok nearlly at the 8 weeks point now, so some results.

A note to people who dont know me on here, i have only been training for 12 months and weighed 217lbs of fat so you will have to excuse the pictures, im sure people with a much lower BF% would see greater improvments than myself.


Crossy



12 April 07: Not long after a 3-4 months bulk.

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12 June 07 (nearlly 8 weeks cutting with ECA)

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Good work, keep it up...I never took before pics...as a matter of fact I never take pics of anything lol...Ill get some measurements in another week or two and post up some new stats :-)

I better not hear about anyone in this thread not making their goals!

-Legacy
 
the stuff really works then huh!! how long you going to be cutting with eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin for? until two bottles are done? what do you have planned after that, another bulk? also... do you know your bodyfat before and after?
 
Im doing 3 bottles, because if your taking 6 caps a day, which is 3 servings, 60 servings per bottle, its only 2 months. 8 weeks of a 12 week cut. Ill probably try Lipoflame for a couple weeks after a week break from ECA when this bottle is done, to finish up cutting. Ill then decide where I need to go from there.

-Legacy
 
Cheers,

Well im through 2 bottles didnt order another in time so i bought a diffrent stack off someone else (abot more eph in it). The SEN i dosed the same as Legacy 2 caps 3 times a day. This new stack because of the extra eph i dosed slightly lower 1 cap 2 times a day, but that still carrys more eph than the previous dosages on the SEN.

Im not bulking for a while now i want to go low as possible as my last bulk i was still carrying alot of fat and maybe i bulked to soon it was tough phsycologically to see me add fat again after losing so much initially (but this was my first bulk so inexperience played a factor). Im actually away for 2 weeks from the 9th of July on hols this coincides with my break from the stack. When i get back i will go back on again for a few months and then probably have a longer rest from it and cycle something else.


As for my bodyfat im unsure i know i had written it down somewhere but its defo dropped. After the bulk i added a fair bit of fat around the gut, hips and chest areas (you can see from the pic lol) The stomach area i always struggled to shift even when i initally went from 217 to around 168ish (without e c a) i still had a pouch there but that was expcted as i lost the bulk of the weight in around 3-4 months, but even after 7-8 months the pouch was still there. One of the reasons i went on this stack was because i read that it is good for stubborn fat areas and tbh i pretty happy with the results so far i actually weigh 10lbs more now than when i was at my lightest but i am now leaner than i was at that weight and the pouch has started to gradually shift so im happy, i am just looking forward to see how much more comes off over the next 4 weeks. To be fair though i have really dedicated everything to this cut, my diet has been on point and so has my training and cardio.


Just a side note i just realised that from the first pic (when i started 8 weeks ago) to the latest pic (today) i have only lost 1 lb lol. But as MMl said it should only burn fat so i increased cals after the first couple of weeks on training days so i was still able to keep my lifts going without feeling to drained.

So for the long post.....
 
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DJLegacy2k1 said:
Good work, keep it up...I never took before pics...as a matter of fact I never take pics of anything lol...Ill get some measurements in another week or two and post up some new stats :-)

I better not hear about anyone in this thread not making their goals!

-Legacy
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Dude i would reccomend taking photos. I never wanted to take photos when i started out because i was huge and embarressed but my missus forced me to do it for a couple of reasons.

1. Because i could then see my lardy ass for what it was.

2. I would actually be able to see the diffrence over the months i was training.

When i was able to see the diffrence is spurred me to keep going.

Im not saying you are in the same situation as me, even if you are lean Mofo its nice to see the changes/pogress in muscle definition/gains etc.
 
Okay im on week 10 and virtually out of E.C.A. I am away for 2 weeks on holiday shortly and was wondering if i should continue when i get back on the stack or would it be reccomended that i stay of it for a while? If so how long? what would you cycle this with?.

Obviously whilst im not taking my metabolism will slow down this is gonan be bad timing if i am away on my holidays, not that i eat loads of shit but my calorie intake will be alot higher than normal for 2 weeks. I checked online to see if there is a gym where i am going (canary islands) and there is one 10 mins from the hotel i am at so i will get some training in whilst im there. I am hoping not to put to much on after all teh hardwork i put in.

Also a big thankyou to MML for advising me on such a great product. I am really happy with the results so far, so much so i dont want to come off it lol.

Thanks again Crossy
 
Id stay off it for at least 2 months. Switch over to something easier on your systems like LipoFlame for a while. Take a week to 2 weeks off of ECA to let your receptors clean up and then start something like Lipofame. (It's what Im doing. Lipoflame and Dermatherm)

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Go you! lol

Im still at like 188, probably 18% bf....So I cant see much of anything. haha

Plus Im also starting to think I have childhood induced gynecomastia...I dont have any lump directly behind my nips, but around the edges feels like its a little firmer than it should be, and my nips seem to be a little puffy...Blah...Its always something...So Im hoping if I get the bf% lower ill be able to tell more, if not, Im going to have to find a solution.

-Legacy
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hello, i'm 19 and also at around 18% b/f, I think I may have a bit of childhood induced gyno also, got non painful lumps under the skin, started on the left but now on the right and could be affecting my bench press (the only lift that I don't really get better at) I'm hoping these are just hard fat deposits and will go away... one of the lumps is also visible in a mirror when you look at yourself in the light..
 
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