Help needed immediately with PCT plan

[w133tjh]

Hi, I am new to this board. This might be a little lengthy but I figure the more details I give the better someone can give me advice. I was on anabolic steroids for about a year and a half continuously, (high amounts). When I got off I didn't use any PCT except for a little hcg. About 3 months clean my test levels were at 72. My doctor put me on the Androderm patch and it bumped up my total T to around 240. After that my doctor put me on the cypionate 200mg shot for 3 weeks which made me feel better but as I came off plummeted my total test to 150 with LH and FSH levels nearly non-existent. I went to the cleveland clinic to an endocrinoligists who told me that hcg would only hurt me and just to stay on the 5mg patch for 6 months and then he would bump me down to 2.5 for a few months. No, blood test were to be taken for the next 6 months, he said. Due to feeling as though he had no experience with this type of thing I decided to ask around for some more help. To be noted, when I am on the patch I can get morning wood and a little sex drive, without nothing right now. After some advice which is where I currently am I was told to Use hcg at 500iu's monday-friday for 3 weeks, Use Clomid starting day 1 at 300mg, and then 100mg for the next two weeks, and then 50 mgs for the remaining 2 weeks. I am also taking Nolvadex starting day 1 at 40 mgs for the next two weeks and then dropping to 20 mgs for at least another month. Right now I am on day 6 of this pct cycle. My balls I think feel a little plumper but no sex drive at all. So I guess my main question is does this sound sufficient or should some other pct be followed due to a year and a half of abuse.

Or should I just finish this cycle and then get back on the patch like the doctor said and wait it out for the next 8 months?

Thanks

 

[Nelson Montana]

You're going to get opposing advice on this one. Here's my take.

Clomid and Nolvadex are worthless. Nolva prevents gyno which at this point isn;t a concern.The clomid will just add estrogen to compete with aromatase which may or may not be a factor. Some people will say that using Clomid is "playing it safe", I think it's "playing with fire."

Get a blood test and have your e checked.

Honestly, I think your doctors are asshole. Putting you on the patch is just suppressing you further.

I'd recommend doing a course of HMG, along with 1/4 tab of aromasan EOD. Use UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Alpha Sustain, every day. (Double up on the UNLEASHED). Rest. Recover. Give it about a month. That's all you can do and it's the best thing you can do, IMO. If your T doesn;t come back to 300 or so, you may need HRT for life.

 

[needtogetaas]

way to much clomid and nolva bro. You are just going to get bad side effects from that.

 

[MSA122]

How old are you BTW? That could have something to do with why they're trying to take this approach... are they actually trying to get your natural feedback loop going again, or just going on TRT forever? If you're young HCG still has a shot, 400iu 3x week is what I'd do based on the numbers above, although HMG may have a better chance by stimulating FSH and LH, go with what Nelson said. Either way the treatment plan makes no sense from the books I've read, my own experience and stuff on the boards, they're just supressing you further, then cutting the dose, but keeping you supressed, kinda crazy...

 

[joe d]

if you are trying to recover so you dont need trt i would put a massive pct involving hmg, pp trs, unleashed, nolva, and trib. im not so sure on the dosing. i will leave that part out.

 

[bigtravis]

You're going to get opposing advice on this one. Here's my take.

Clomid and Nolvadex are worthless. Nolva prevents gyno which at this point isn;t a concern.The clomid will just add estrogen to compete with aromatase which may or may not be a factor. Some people will say that using Clomid is "playing it safe", I think it's "playing with fire."

Get a blood test and have your e checked.

Honestly, I think your doctors are asshole. Putting you on the patch is just suppressing you further.
I'd recommend doing a course of HMG, along with 1/4 tab of aromasan EOD. Use UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and Alpha Sustain, every day. (Double up on the UNLEASHED). Rest. Recover. Give it about a month. That's all you can do and it's the best thing you can do, IMO. If your T doesn;t come back to 300 or so, you may need HRT for life.

+1 Listen to the old fart on this. He knows what he's talkin bout.