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Help ive developed a binge eating disorder from dieting

crunch1

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Ok heres the story:

I started eating clean about a year ago, by this i mean going a week, and then eating a little junk or drinking on the weekends.
This was normal and fine with me, i was not really bulking or cutting, just working out, and staying lean.

This last summer I started my first actual cutting attempt/diet. --my first real diet restrictions:

I would consume a diet of about 100-150C a day 200G protien, and 30G fat, i was doing cardio 4X a week, and lifting 3 or 4X a week.

I was able to go a week at a time, then every sunday i would binge on anything i could get my hands on, consuming copious amounts of junk all day, the calories easily were in the 10,000's, i would eat untill i felt sick.

Monday i would wake up and diet again all week, then do the same thing on the weekend - BINGE.

I did this from June untill September.--every single weekend, i gave myself the excuse that I was "REFEEDING" and it was ok.

I got results, i did get cut up.

1 month ago i broke up with my girlfriend (which was my motivation to cut up), and who would not witness theese massive binges over the summer...and i got depressed, my motivation to continue to work out dropped. I was planning on trying to cut up to 175 and have my bf @ 6-7% - then begin a reasonable bulking diet.
I binged almost every day for 2 weeks, mostly just at night, getting sick from it, -stopped doing my cardio and worked out only a few times.

I balloned up to 198 in 2 weeks...ALMOST 25 LBS. most of it is probably water and carbs, but it has to bee a good amount of fat as well.

Im now at 194-i ruined my attempt at a clean bulk, and now im flabbly, lost all my cuts, my abs have disappeared.

After my summer of cutting ive lost strenght, probably some muscle, and because of the binging ive been doing ive gained fat. Now i have to go backwards.....i want to be lean.

The problem is i just cannot control my urges to eat, last night i was at 1800 cals -my jperferred amount for the day in attempt to lose the weight i had gained over the past 3 weeks, was ready for bed, decided to have one more "myoplex" - that led to a binge consisting of:
3 more shakes
2 cups of oatmeal
1 can of tuna in a wrap

now at least it was clean food, but i felt sick from eating it, stomach all bloated.

Before I ever restricted anything from my diet i would not eat if i felt full, i had a hard time eating 3 arbys roast beef sandwhiches, now 5 of them are nothing and that was just a small part of one of my binges. People who witness me eating 4 pints of ben and jerrys are amazed that I am not fat, and that i can eat that much.....however this used to be a once a week thing, its spilling over to other days - I eat, feel full, sick, and eat some more, untill the point that breathing becomes heavy because my stomach is pushing up and blocking my airway or something -it is hard to even bend over im so stuffed, sometimes i wait and when i can eat a little more, i will in the next hour or so, however i do not throw up, nor try to throw up, i do feel guilt, that leads to more depression, which makes me more vuneralble to more binging, i also do not try to do mass cardio or anything to counter my binge.


i have to run to class now but does anyone have any advice? Ive tried writing everything down, cals and all, i didn't help. I cannot have just a little junk, i have to eat it all if its there. It used to just be junk, cereal or whatever, its starting to become lots of "clean" food too. Ive eaten just fruit once untill i was sick - 8 apples? I mean comon this is a serious disorder. Im driving to the store, buying 20 bucks worth of nothing put trash, and gorging on it, hardly enjoying it. - its like i like the pain from overeating or something, like a punishment?????

I waxed off a box of twinkies and a box of granola bars 2 nights ago, theres no way i can just eat 1 of them, its so wierd. I guess i think if its all gone then i wont eat more of it the next day. HELP!


later.
CRunch
 
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A eto diet may control those binges in my opinion. Ive always been addicted to chocolate and would binge out on nothing but chocolate. Im talking about 5000+ cals of just chocolate per binge. I started a keto diet and now I dont have any desire to pig-out. I recommend an atkins or a ckd. Good luck! :)
 
ARGGGHH...

Bro, I've been in your shoes. I got down to around 5-6% bf and actually did an amatuer BB'ing show when I was 21....

Then I just got so fed up with dieting that my story snowballed like yours too....quit doing cardio, was pigging out nightly, etc...

2 years later I still have struggles. I try to limit my junkfood binges to weekends now and for the most part I am successful.

However I have found that its only when I do ketosis that I start really having the strong cravings for simple carbohydrates like chips, pizza, etc

I was on ketosis for the past 2 weeks and broke down last night and had some nachos & cheese. I've decided to just say fuck that and go around 100-150 carbs a day with cardio 5x's a week.
 
binge eating

Hey -
I am not a pro bodybuilder or anything of the sort but have had my fair share of experience with eating disorders. In my quest to recover from anorexia, i too developed binge eating disorder. I have been binging for almost 2 years now and am just getting things under control. The past 2 weeks has been my best in 2 years. The best advice i can give you is not to diet. I know this sounds horrible becuase you just want all the excess weight gone tomorrow but it is the only way. First focus on not binging. Eat what you want, when you want, but try and get your sense of hunger and fullness back. Once you can eat regularly then you may try to diet but you will be surprised how you will drop the weight just from eating normally alone.
luck and love
-Lizzy
 
Sadly this is me too,
I diet hard During the work week, then eat like 5000 cals of Kids Cereal and Ice cream on Fri Sat and Sun Evenings, and then Ride my Bike too the Gym Sat and Sun morn and Workout like hell, then ride home and diet all day. It sux but Its soo hard to stop.
 
I'd say your a good candidate for Bromocriptine and or 5-htp

try 50mg 5-htp working up to 150mg a day. Helps keep serotoin up just like sugar does (binge eating) thus helping you keep a satiated feeling.

lots of posts on bromocriptine - do a search

good luck

sirwanksalot
 
I will agree with SUpergirl515. I binge too - and it's hard to stop. I had to stop trying to cut, and the binges are nowhere near as bad now. One idea might be to focus on strength ad powerlifting for a while, and once you are over the bingeing, going back to cutting/bulking?

Also, if you restrict your cals too much when dieting, it can trigger a binge - it's the biological reflex when doing without for a while, your body still thinks you've been prowling the countryside for food and just made a fresh kill, so it makes you eat up...
 
I totally understand.
I eat really clean during the week, and on sunday I allow myself a 'cheat' day. However, instead of just eating bad food in moderation like normal people do, I totally pig out.
I dont know why. I wont even really be hungry, but it looks and tastes good and I know I can't eat it again till next week so I just pig out. I've actually had to miss two Mondays and one Tuesday (when my cheat day rolled over into monday) because my stomach was so upset from eating so damn much.
It sucks because I am short (5 foot) and wiegh about 110 lbs....but I can eat like a big man! Last weekend I ate all but one slice of a medium pizza......in one sitting....... :(
I am in good shape, however I know that if I were to limit my free days to a moderate amount of crappy food then it wont set me back so far.
 
First, get that crap out of your house and quit buying it for a while. If all you have in your fridge is eggs/chicken/lean beef/veggies, etc., you're much less likely to binge. Second, try logging your food for awhile. If you have to write it down and face the written calories, you're much less likely to eat it (that whole guilt thing).

I think all of us who've contest dieted are susceptible to binge behavior; the key is 1) not contest dieting all year long, and 2) controlling your environment. If it's not in front of you, you won't eat it. I can't keep PB in my house when I'm contest dieting because I'll eat the whole jar - in minutes. When I "refeed", I refeed on foods you don't want to binge on, like c.o.w and oatmeal. Plus, I control the number of calories on my refeeds to prevent things from getting out of hand.

Good luck!
 
Crunch-This is so common. JJ made some excellent points. I would also add just a few comments. I have come to accept that I simply cannot stay ultra lean year round. I also make it point to add a variety of foods to my diet so that it is very different from the pre contest diet.

The big bad D word also comes to mind and believe me when I say we all struggle with this, DISCIPLINE. I personally have a problem with cookies. There are certain areas of grocery stores I simply must avoid such as bakeries. I test my "strength" by refusing to purchase any. By doing this I can avoid hating myself and hating how I feel.

You are right to point out that you are choosing to hurt yourself and your choice of weapon is food. Perhaps you can learn to stop yourself before following thru with the action that will ultimately hurt you. By just stopping for a moment and asking yourself "Is this really what I want ?" you may be able to get a handle on it. As you can see by now its not food you want . Perhaps learning how to get get quiet inside and you could find out what you are really lacking .( Of course in reality you are lacking nothing, you just don't know that for a fact yet.)

One other note please be aware that sometimes just sitting with the pain of not bingeing can show you that yes you live thru it. Or very simply got to bed early!

These eating disorders are so mental. Supplements may be helpful-but I know we can eat thru anything .

Hope this helps-Valerie
 
valerie said:
You are right to point out that you are choosing to hurt yourself and your choice of weapon is food. Perhaps you can learn to stop yourself before following thru with the action that will ultimately hurt you. By just stopping for a moment and asking yourself "Is this really what I want ?" you may be able to get a handle on it. As you can see by now its not food you want . Perhaps learning how to get get quiet inside and you could find out what you are really lacking .( Of course in reality you are lacking nothing, you just don't know that for a fact yet.)

This paragraph is one of the truest, most eloquent things I've ever read on the internet.

I have nothing else to add, other than to echo JJ's suggestion that you not keep any junk food around the house. If you feel a binge coming on, give your car keys to someone you trust so that you can't go to the store and buy more. Out of sight, out of mouth, so to speak. Good luck...
 
I had some eating disorder too. I didn't overcome it entirly and i am not sure i will never. I have episodes of binge eating where often i vomite after. Trying to make big caloric deficits all in a sudden easily trigger that reaction. Also, choose some "binge" foods (foods you choose to eat in situation of cravings, like aspargus, mushrooms, low caloric yogurts, etc...). Eating more often, 8, 9, 10 times a day also is best to avoid binge eating. (normally i choose some small snack low caloric to eat when i start to feel some hungry, without letting too much time pass (before i became starved).
Making at least one refeed per week will also help, i think.
Last but not least, when i have my sleeping pattern not good i am more propense to have a binging episode.
Hope this helps.
 
Very well put, Valerie! Remember Crunch - you've got a bunch of people here who are either in or have been in the same boat - you can always PM one of us if you need talked out of a binge. :-)
 
wow, i never realzied how many others were like this, thanks for the support guys, im planning on beating this thing, getting reasonalbly, but not super lean again, and then not dieting...just eating clean and working out. Right now im going to focus on just avoiding a binge, eating whatever in moderation...im hoping the journal helps out. Im going to log every day if i can.
 
Crunch,

Hey....good luck with everything man. you will regain control if you set your mind to it. I too can relate to your experience's. I dieted for about 8 strict months leading up to teen and collegiate nationals, and that really messed up my head. I started to obsess over food for the last few months of that diet. I have really never gotten over the obsession.

I am basically in the same boat as a lot of you...I eat clean during the week and cheat on weekends. I have tried to quit doing that though (even though it worked) because eating would be the high point of my weekend....I wouldn't be able to sleep on friday night because I couldn't wait for my first meal saturday morning. then I would always eat past comfort levels because I knew I only had a certain amount of time to eat it before I had to restrict again. I know most of you can relate.....

So really try and eat when and what you want....a good goal is to "eat healthy," because its not too restrictive.

I noticed in your message that you seemed "out of control." It is important to remember that you are in control of everything you do....every thought, every notion, you control it with your mind. Hopefully this kind of helps....and I think A LOT more people are in your boat than you realize....

Ryan
 
I can totally relate to this post, too. I had issues with bulimia as a teen, but had pretty much got over it, with very occasional relapses, for years and years before this year, when I went on my first contest diet. Suddenly that whole mind-set came back like it had never gone away. I haven't relapsed (well, hardly), but I found that the more restrictive the diet, and the lower the cals, the harder the battle is to stay on top of those impulses. One DOES feel so ... out of control .... when the weird thing is that the diet is an attempt to remain IN control - control of the way we look.

What helps me to stay above these powerful impulses is the thought of what binging and/or binging and purging does to my body - how I would be just totally shooting myself and my goals in the foot - and not just shooting - like taking a huge bazooka and blowing off your leg sort of ruining your own goals. I want to be strong, fit and healthy - comp. dieting is a bit of a departure from this, but it's temporary.

I think like some others have said, the best option is to just stop dieting for a while - let your body/metabolism/mind-set stabilise for a few months or more. I for one intend to NOT diet for at least a year after this - at the most, short cycles that are not ultra-restrictive, simply to keep too much fat gain down. Eat clean, eat enough, eat stuff you like, or junk now and then, don't have any "set" cheat days.

Keep us updated, and good luck :)
 
today went well...like i said above im logging everything in a journal @ wannabebig.com , not just to get past this binge thing but for progress in everyway, check it out lemme know what you think. i think this is great that people understand my dillemma, i never ever thought this would happen to me, before i started working out and dieting never in my life did i even think about cosuming the amount of food i do now....its become an obsession. Planning meals and all that good stuff. Either way just this support from these boards is making me feel better about this, I KNOW I CAN GET PAST THIS, and in 8 weeks i will be in much better shape both physically and emotionally.

ill keep updates going, so expect this thread to be bumped up often.
 
Stay strong, crunch. It took time to develop the binge habit, and it'll take time to create healthier eating habits as well. We've got your back.
 
Good luck beating it. Just remember, there are so many things in life better than food. Instead of binging, try to enjoy another aspect of life, get your mind off food and go do something.
-D
 
crunch,

After reading your post I find that I can really relate to you, because you have described is what I have been experiencing the last 2 years of my life, almost down to the exact detail!


First off what everyone here is telling you is whack. There are various degrees of having eating problems/disorders.
Not to burst your bubble, dont worry, this can be tackled, but you definately have a serious eating disorder like I did.
Most of the people on this board haven't had anything nearly as bad as you, and they might not understand what your going thru even though they think they do,
but dont worry, because i understand this really well.

Anyways I'm going to warn you that another diet, or tactic, or method of preventing the binges is not the answer once you get into a serious disorder.
sometimes if its kind of serious but not really, a new household 'tactic' will work, but recall that these people dont have it as serious as you. If it drastically interferes with your daily life and causes anxiety/depression, then you have something that needs to be looked into.

Most of the people on this board have a few more problems restricting 'binges' than a normal everyday person would, because the ppl here think about food a lot more and try to control their diet a lot more than the average person.

But what really comes down to is that someone will always want something that they dont or can't have. People want really good bodies cuz most dont have them. skinny ppl are always into gaining muscle, chunk ppl are always into getting ultra lean.

The same rule even applies to food, therefore we are in a dillema. Us fitness ppl have a tendency to binge more because there are so many foods that we just CAN'T eat, or that we CAN'T eat on certain days or so often or so much. Therefore we want to break the rules we want to get tasty food REALLY BAD.

PPL want to drink alcohol more when its illegal. Pot is cool because its illegal. Part of the fun in one-night stands is that they are deemed morally wrong by many ppl, etc.



However, these things aren't what really get to us, but rather its the things that could be taken away from us, that affect what we think we need to be truly happy as a person.

PPL develope social anxiety disorders because everyone thinks we 'need' not to be shy. another example that i've dealth with.



you may feel that you need to be a certain level of leanness to be truly happy as a person, therefore you may tell yourself 'you can't fail at accomplishing this task' when that feels like its taken away from you, it leaves you in great despair.

It took me 2 years to realize this, but when I did, It made a 'WORLD' of a difference:

life is given to you! its a gift! Whether it be from God, or whatever your religion is,


you gotta realize SOOO many things given to us are gifts, that we just take for granted!

Like every other person, I also used questioned how one could be happy if they didn't marry or if they did: weren't physically attracted to their wife, didnt have good friends around them in their life, or if they had drastic disabilities/health issues (such as being quadraplegic- missing all your limbs, etc)

you got to realize that even those things which we consider as essentials to happiness, can be taken away.

but guess what, thats when you start to learn counting the positive things that you do have, the things that can't be taken away.

Guess what dude, you're frickin' alive!!
and aren't in danger of dying anytime soon!
You can go out and live life, a new adventure every day!!!

there are so many things that a lotta us take for granted that are awesome!!! such as:

a reasonably good family
friends and cool ppl everywhere
cars
decent homes
education and opportunity

basically you need to realize that life is a gift, and a pretty hard one to take away, and even if it was taken then you wouldnt have all these problems naggin at you, lol.
you gotta notice all the gifts beyond that and realize all the positive and good things in life.


The moment I started doing this, (which wasnt even that long ago) it started making things a lot better, making it easier not to screw up and binge (but even if i did, it wouldnt kill me. even if I gained 20 lbs it wouldnt kill me) sure it would suck, but thats about it. There'd still be tons of friggin other things in life to enjoy!

Anyways I'm telling you that a positive mindset does soooo much for you, and that you and perhaps the rest of the world, needs to seriously re-evaluted what is going to make us truly happy as a person.
The moment you can see this and start doing this, the moment the main block is solved and things can start turning around.

I really hope you can see things the way I have and that things do get better for you soon,

trust me, in the end its all worth it.


I think i mentioned most of the things i wanted to,

and I have to pee reaaallllyyy bad right now,


but... if I can think of anything else to say later, I will.


Good luck with everything, I hope things get better soon for you!
 
I went through the same thing except ur "binge" looks like the first 5 minutes of what I use to eat. I'd say I easy went thru 2 full packs of oreo's, 5 or 6 kit kats, 2 bowls icecream, 1 bag chips etc. Did it feel good? hell no, I threw up daily and became very depressed. What I found was that it was the fear of gaining fat and the restriction element that caused me to binge, so I just started eating again..not worrying about it. I gained 30#'s 20 of which was pure fat but after it was done, I could diet more easily.

I have no real advice because everyone is different when it comes to these things, I know NC could never stick to a diet until he upped his water intake. Just know that other people here have been through it and one way or another you'll beat it.
 
p60 said:
First off what everyone here is telling you is whack.

That's pretty narrow-minded of you to assume, when you posted nearly the exact same advice we all gave, and you don't know our exact experiences. Just because we didn't post our life stories and wallow in negativity, doesn't make our advice any less valid. In fact, it should make it more so - we've moved beyond the problem, we're not hanging tenuously to our sanity.
 
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i too used to binge eat. because i was eating way to strict. eat a blanced diet eat foods you like but in moderation and you wont binge

meal one fiber one cereal with skim milk

meal 2 chiken breast smotherd in sause with some cheeese

meal 3 tuna sandwich with some mayo and ketchup

meal 4 steak with sweat potatoe

meal 5 one peice of pizza with a nonfat yogort

meal 6 chicken breast with red sause and some chesse
 
your right about the water thing. i used to drink 3 gallons a day when i was super strict dieting. drink more water it really does help, and so does FIBER
 
First off what everyone here is telling you is whack. There are various degrees of having eating problems/disorders.
Not to burst your bubble, dont worry, this can be tackled, but you definately have a serious eating disorder like I did.
Most of the people on this board haven't had anything nearly as bad as you, and they might not understand what your going thru even though they think they do,
but dont worry, because i understand this really well.

That's really a statement P60.
i would say the exactly the same as Ceebs on the subject.
 
I can totally relate to every single thing you have gone through and are going through.

My first post contest diet binge lasted 1.5 years. I wanted to maintain that lean look, and with the quest came sick obbsessive thoughts about food which started to effect every second of my day.

Like you, I never EVER had a problem with weight or food. I ate healthy, but did not restrict. Ate when hungry, stopped when full. Sure sometimes I had that extra slice of pizza I did not need, but I never ate and ate and ate until I was sick.

One of the best books I have ever read on this subject, which also allowed me to break out of this destructive habit...

Was, BREAKING OUT OF FOOD JAIL, by Jean Antonello. This lady has been working with eating disrders for years, and has recovered herself...GUESS WHAT, IT IS A BIOCHEMICAL THING....Restriction causes this...MOST OVER EATERS ARE UNDEREATERS.....I found that I did not become an over eater until I was an under eater, and it looks like you are the same way.

I have learned that the body rebounds, and goes that little extra mile to preserved what it lost. MEaning, I lost 18 pounds of bodyfat for my contest and put on close to 30, which I kept on trying and trying to keep and get off after the binging...Once I started feeding my body and let the weight just come on, and learned to respect it's ancient wisdom, my bodyfat started to come down...not near the contest condition, but enough to fit in my close again and be fit and healthy.

I really neve thought that I would not obsess about food again, and that if I did not obsess I would be huge.. It is not the case. I have not had a binge since I let the weight creep up, and it is down now.

Read the book, you can get it at amazon. It will all hit home, and help you overcome this feeling of being out of control, because your body has decided to take over now, let it.

ariel
 
I'm a recovering compulsive eater. I started bingeing when I was about 11 or 12. I agree with those who say that this is about far more than just finding the right diet.

You don't have a food problem. You have a psychological problem that you're trying to medicate with food. I read a great quote in the book Overcoming Overeating. To paraphrase: "Compulsive eating is like putting ice cream on a cut on your leg." Basically, you have to properly treat the real problem instead of throwing food at it. Seeking professional attention may help you a lot. It certainly helped me.

Good luck, crunch!!!!
 
hello all,

first off p60, thank you for your reply, it was inspirational and gave me hope. everyone else who can relate, thank you too.

yesterday i did so good---woke up to 45min of am cardio, had a good workout later..., right up untill i had one drink, i figured ah shit, one drink--one drink led to 5 drinks, then that led to chips and salsa, just a few---then that led to a ride to the store @ 3am to buy - 3 kingsize candy bars, 1 pumpking pie, 1 pint of ben and jerrys-all gone, totally binged again, meaning that i do have a problem and that i am unable to control myself for a week at a time now. I was completely ripped 2 months ago, my abs were as defined as i could have gotten them, and now that there gone its created a vicious depression cycle, which leads to eating, guilt, then more depression, repeat. I am going to seek professional help on this, and work on what some said about just eating "normal" foods, in proper amounts, restrictions are what lead to this so i need to avoid that.

as far as today went my diet was all weird, i did not feel like binging, and ive consumed almost no carbs.
just egg beaters, protien powder, and flax...and some veges, i feel ok about this right now, i did not really try to avoid carbs, but i just experimented. Who knows, ive never tried ckd before, it could work for me...but in all honesty i think any "diet" might not be the right move now. I am going to keep everyone one informed on this and let you know what happens, because i think others are in the same boat and can relate.

my :normal: cutting diet look something like this if i can ever stick to it again:

1/2cup oatmeal
1 cup egg beaters
1 tbsp flax

myoplex

1 chicken breast
1 sweet potato

myoplex

egg beaters or tuna

chicken and veges or fish
flax

anyway at least i did not binged tonight, allthough i was tempted. thank you all again.
 
the only time i binge is when i have cereal in the house. I swear 3+ serves w protein powder...i just cant stop.
but as others have said..just dont buy the stuff...if its there - you'll eat it.
But i have made it through months without 1 cheat meal and been fine, but lately I think one cheat meal a week is good and drastically reduces your need to binge.
When i binge i feel so guilty after, it makes me wana work harder at the gym..and not touch junk again.

i used throw up after binges, but I really wasnt educated about eating quality meals at the time. I now make sure I have PLENTY of good fats, quality proteins and low gi carbs...it makes you full and less likely to crave.

you'll be fine, we've all been through it before..and recovered!
 
just hitting up a bump for 3 days of clean eating, within my cal range. yeah! good workouts as well. 191 today, want to be back @ 180. 4 weeks? Ive gotta do it.

no urge to binge, actually my last one grossed me out, im kind of sickened by the thought of processed food....(twinkies, candy bars) ugh.
 
Crunch-that icky, gross feeling is good! Use it to keep you from bingeing. Thats how I quit smoking a miilion years ago. I think you could call that a negative feedback, use it to your advantage.

Whenever we choose to do something, we always have a picture in our mind of us performing that action. This means that there is always the choice not to follow thru with the action. The choice is purely up to you. Good Luck-Valerie
 
I think if there's one obvious fact about this whole thread it's that there are many of us in the same boat. Unfortunately the simple answer is one that most will not want to accept and will stubbornly attempt another way. These kind of uncontrollable binges are more than simple self-control issues. Long term extreme dieting wrecks havoc on our metabolism and hormones and will inevitabley lead to this kind of situation. It may take some longer than other but it will eventually happen.

The lesson learned should be that extreme dieting is not the answer. Sure you may get quick results, but at what ultimate price? I'm not sure about you guys but I'd rather diet in a more moderate manner and keep my sanity and normal eating habits than to suffer miserably through a rediculous dieting scheme to reach a bodyfat level that will only last until the body decides it's time to eat again. This type of dieting is the perfect setup for weight gain. By the time you reach your desired bodfat level your metabolism is so slowed down and leptin levels so low that your body is primed for fat gain. The instant you decide you want to "eat" it will be hard to stop. And all that binging puts on weight faster than ever due to your surpressed metabolism.

This is one of the reasons that refeeds offer a unique advantage. My old dieting scheme was very similar to Crunch's. I'd eat perfect all week long and then eat what I wanted on Sunday's. I'd often eat till I felt sick, but it ultimately worked. I always kept losing weight throughout this method and I absolutely loved Sunday's. However over the long term the 6 days of extreme dieting caught up and it was harder and harder to to control my eating. At first I thought my will power was fading, but in reality it was simply my body deciding it had enough of this dieting method and started to fight back.

The best thing I could do was to start doing more regular refeeds, and controlled ones at that. I actually planned out how many calories and carbs I was going to ingest on these days so that I wouldn't go overboard. Even though I wasn't binging per say, the regularness of the refeeds kept my urge to binge at bay. I'd recommend for anyone with these uncontrollable urges to binge to simply refeed more often, but plan them perfectly and count calories. Right now I am refeeding on Wednesdays and Saturdays. On Wednesdays I simply diet during the day then after my evening workout I begin my refeed and continue until bed. On Saturdays I refeed all day but again it is planned and I treat it just like a diet day. I allow myself one "cheat meal" where I just eat what I want without worrying, usually I'm out to dinner eating whatever I choose.

Crunch I wish you the best but I don't think just going back to your old dieting ways is the answer. That is what got you into this predicament in the first place. I'd recommend easing into a diet and not rushing it. You'd be amazed at how fast the weight comes off with a well planned diet while taking leptin into consideration. A couple of years ago I'd never have believed that with 2 refeeds a week I could even lose weight but it's falling off as fast as ever, not to mention that I don't feel like I'm suffering. I'm never more than 3 days away from eating something forbidden which makes it much easier to get through the diet days.

One more thing, I ran your numbers Crunch and at your weight I think 1700 calories is a bit low. That's a huge deficit and will no doubt lead to a surpressed metabolism and low leptin levels. One binge day a week isn't enough to fix these issues.
 
Bingeing almost always invariably happens at night.

There are several ways to combat this. However, the most effective treatment is:

1. Pondimin at 60mg at 6PM

2. 10-20mg Ambien + 3mg Melatonin right before bedtime.

Thats what I do.

After a while the urge to binge will dissapear and you can drop the ambien and pondimin if you want.

Fonz
 
im going to post a big fat bump for an update for you guys. there have been some AMAZING replies. -thank you.

so its thursday night 2am. i have not had a piece of junkfood since last friday-that last binge was bad. ugh...real bad (1/2 pumpkin pie, 1 pint ben and jerrys, 2 king size candy bars, 6 big ass cookies, cool whip)----------yuck!

so it went like this:
sat,sun,mon,tue,wed,thur-all clean diet days.

i have that journal going @ wannabebig as well. if you are curious about updates and other things

basically tonight i wanted to binge, but i ate a bunge of stirfry veges and it calmed it, i feel full, i do not want to eat junk...i went out to eat with friends and did not get anything...just had a diet coke. No cravings at all. I think that talking about it and just letting the world know what was up has helped tremendously. I have however somewhat returned to my dieting that i did over the summer to get cut up, which led to binging. however i have not binged this week...and im trying to get my self to accept a normal diet...the fat i gained really pissed me off. My cal range for the week have been around 2000 per day. Mod carb, never going over 200 a day-i am going to research more refeed stuff, however that could easily trigger me to binge-as i tried it before, just going berserk, using it as an excuse. If i make it a few more days it will be the first time sine MAY that i have not had a FREE FOR ALL FOOD DAY, which i did every week.

since i notice my binges spilling over into the week, (ex: my strait 5 day binge---i was @ 198 at my heavest, now im 190 and planning on dropping SLOWLY over the next month, hitting 180 again and adapting a NO DIET plan.

my workout have been good, my motivation is returning, although i feel my intensity could be cranked up a notch, im not dealing with the crippling depression i was in for about a week, were i just wanted to eat and sit in bed. Im over that, and moved on...getting out of my rut- actually caring again about looking good. (when you get down you just dont give a fuck)

fonz---ive dropped ambien before for insomnia-hardly worked for me.


binge eating is definetly something that develops from diet restrictions, i can admit to that ( in my case) it also has to deal with emotions and other psycholoical factors. I WAS DEPRESSED-I BINGED-I GOT MORE DEPRESSED-a vicious cycle. thank god it lasted 3 weeks and not any longer which im sure others are suffering with right now.

I want to binge now, i dooooooo so bad, but i know i wont because i have support. So im going to just go to bed, wake up and hit the stairmaster and shed some more of this god damn fat.

Thank you and I will update everyone as the weekz go by, and if i do binge i will let everyone know, and also if i dont. I know i can do this.
 
Vageta said:


My old dieting scheme was very similar to Crunch's. I'd eat perfect all week long and then eat what I wanted on Sunday's. I'd often eat till I felt sick, but it ultimately worked. I always kept losing weight throughout this method and I absolutely loved Sunday's. However over the long term the 6 days of extreme dieting caught up and it was harder and harder to to control my eating. At first I thought my will power was fading, but in reality it was simply my body deciding it had enough of this dieting method and started to fight back.




Vageta: EXCELLENT REPLY, thank you-this quote really relates to me. It was funny that i LOST weight and got shredded doing this, however i can only wonder what the results would be like if i did not do that on such a grand scale, binge and all. It could not believe how ripped i got doing what i was doing, thats why i kept it up, i had veins in my quads i never had before-i was shocked, i thought, damn my body is getting rocked, it hates this its a good thing, ill keep it up.

after my binges i would have some water weight but then i would drop that and an extra lb over the next week.

almost all of my binges started as an attempt to refeed: i thought just fat free stuff....i'd pound a box of cereal, -then somehow everything would creep in to it, and id convince myself to just eat whatever, a cals a cal isn't it? _id think. so then i eat some fat, then id be pissed i did that and just go all out. im repeating myself but i just woke up and im drinking some green tea waiting to hit the gym for some am cardio.

I think i am going to do a calculated refeed.

IF any one would like to i would love to have some sample diet posted to keep me on track----otherwise i would go overboard:
im 190lb 6ft.
thanks. ill keep the updates coming-people do seem interested, i think thats awesome. again, thank you for the support,.

crunch
 
Hi Crunch-how about some easy suggestions for you?

Since we are all familiar with the idea of cycling why not apply it to your use of carbs. This is different from the refeeds. It may very well be time to do something totally different and get away from the concept of long term low carb dieting. We all know the effects of it and the bingeing is only one. In my part of the world it is fall and I'm not so concerned about abs showing,etc. Save the low carb stuff for the hardcore dieting. We are talking about normalizing and eating to live now.

You have many options on carb cycling. You could simply eat your clean complex carbs on workout days only and stick with the fibours carbs on non-workout days. Or you could have one meal (breakfast ) with complex carbs on your non workout days, and all the other meals with the fibours carbs.

You could go higher carb for two days and low carb for one day, then when you platuea change it to two low days and one high day. It's up to you to figure out the # of carb grams.

Hope this helps-Valerie
 
Crunch,

Quite awhile ago I posted a refeed diet plan along with an excel sheet that helped figure out your calorie/carb recommendations for refeed days. I dug it out and will attach it to this message for you. I haven't messed with it in quite awhile but it seems like it's all up to date. One thing you'll find is that while most agree refeeds are a good thing, the duration, macronutrient breakdown, calories, etc.. of the refeed are debated. I came up with an all around recommendation that seems to work well for me and others who have tried it. A lot of the formulas I extrapolated from Par Dues's refeed recommendations as his were fairly vague but he knows a great deal about refeeding and leptin and seemed the best person to use for the data.

The worksheet is setup for you to enter some values to tailor it to your specific liking. Any box that has green text is changeable by you. Also most of the formulas are all based on a typical BMR (basal metabolic rate) formula but I left this able to be changed. I used the general bodyweight x 15 = BMR. All of the refeed recommendations are based on this. If you have a different idea of how BMR is figured out you can simply update the multiplier.

The sheet is broken up into 2 pages, 1 for regular diet days and 1 for refeeds. You can change your macronutrient ratios on both pages since refeed ratios tend to change. Just make sure that the %s add up to 100 since there is no error checking. The way I have it set up is that you refeed for half a day during the middle of the week, preferably after a workout and it lasts for half of your daily meals. So if you eat 6 meals a day spread out then refeed for 3 of them. If you work out in the morning then refeed for 3 meals then go back to dieting for the rest. If you work out at night then most likely your last 3 meals will be refeeds.

For your 2nd refeed of the week it's up to you. I tend to refeed all day on one weekend day so I just follow my refeed recommendations for 6 meals but I didn't make a special sheet for it. If you like you can follow the same refeed schedule 2 times a week or do what I do and do a full day refeed on the weekend. Just remember to follow what you setup and don't binge. I'd recommend following the recommendations for all of your meals except one. We all like to go out to dinner and such so for your weekend refeed just allow yourself one meal where you don't really count carbs and calories. Just make sure all of the rest are spot on. It's kind of a pain to track carbs and calories on "free days" but it will help you from binging if you plan it out.

One more thing is that if you don't have calorie counting software I have built in a very simple one into the worksheet. If you enter the grams of each macronutrient per meal it will count calories and tell you how much of each you have left as the day progresses. This makes it possible to follow exactly what you plan. So after 5 meals it will tell you exactly how many grams/calories you have left alotted on your last meal.

Good luck and if you have any questions feel free to ask.


refeed_diet.xls
 
We can all get over this. A couple of things I've noticed, personally, that have caused binges:

1. The whole notion of a "cheat" day. Knowing we have only 24 hours to fit in all of our weekly cravings lends itself to overeating. Eat healthy, and if you gotta have that cookie on Wed, have one. Much better to to that than to wait until Sun and end up eating a whole box.

2. Unbalanced diets--no carb, no fat, whatever--you will crave whatever you can't have. In the end it comes down to calories in vs. calories out.

3. Overtraining/under-resting. When I overdo my training, I've noticed my body responds to the stress by overeating. Same fo rnot sleeping enough. I'm more succeptable to binges when I'm trying to push through exhaustion. Somehow, the body/mind thinks it needs food when it needs rest.

Good luck, Crunch.
 
going to post an update again -keep my motivation up

haven't had a junk food free for all in over a week, the first time ive done it in 6 months, im keepin it up too. hell yes. the fat that i gained is melting off slowly. im gettin back on track
 
Crunch,

That is totally awesome! Don't worry bro, I have faith that you are gonna go far. I think this message board accountabilty thing is really helpin you out. You are going to get a good habit established.

I could really use some more discipline really bad right now, as my eating is also out of control, and I just don't seem to care.
I gotta stabilize myself.

Crunch, I would like to join you in this quest! you can count me in as a motivator for you and anyone else who wants to endevour in defeating their problems in this thread.


As of 12:35 A.M. on October 30th, I vow that from now on I am going to take my health seriously, and will attempt to binge as least as possible from here on out, and will live a healthy lifestyle as well,
which includes: eating quite clean regularly, except one day where I will have 2 cheat meals.
This also include attempting to get in 25 minutes of cardio every day of the week.


I plan on coming back here and posting updates to let you know how i'm doing.

At my lean peak, I was around 9% BF this summer, and weighed around 162 lbs. Now I'm probably around 14% BF and weigh around 170 lbs guestimated.
Unfortunately though I lost some muscle since I didn't lift a whole lot for about 3 months. Yea college really did me in with getting distracted by other crap, and not getting around to running or lifting hardly ever, along with being super stressed out all the time which caused me to binge regularly on clean food and junk food.

Now I'm gettin back into the swing of things though, and my goal is to get back down to 9%, since I got down there without really any rigorous dieting, just ate clean and ran a ton. I basically consider that a maintenance point for me.
 
p60 said:
Crunch,

That is totally awesome! Don't worry bro, I have faith that you are gonna go far. I think this message board accountabilty thing is really helpin you out. You are going to get a good habit established.

I could really use some more discipline really bad right now, as my eating is also out of control, and I just don't seem to care.
I gotta stabilize myself.

Crunch, I would like to join you in this quest! you can count me in as a motivator for you and anyone else who wants to endevour in defeating their problems in this thread.


p60! thanks man
im telling you its been hard, yesterday i had the worst cravings, but i got through it. Today I had a good first meal, went to class, ran in to ex girl friend, came back to my place anxious, and could ate the house, but no...i chilled the hell out and ate a normal meal, oatmeal and a protien pancake, reasonable serving. I think its awesome your joining in my quest...my roommate has also placed his own vow to not binge, his problem was not as bad as mine but he does work out and diet, so he can relate. It helps when others are with you on it. This board has been a reason to keep the motivation up and the support has kept me from what would of been an imminent binge, and massive rut in my life. I PM'd you too.

I've still got a clean track record yall....the though of messing that up now helps from binging. ----i haven't even cheated yet in a small meal, im afraid it will lead to a binge.

as developments occur i will update
 
because this post has been viewed my many, i figure it has caused some curiousity and many can relate so
ive got a minute so i figured i post what a typical "BINGE" was like for me when i was doing in on a weekly basis.

It would start over the course of about 4 hours, where i would just say i was carbing up - i would eat fat free junk.

so id start with a box of twinkies
and a box of low fat pop tarts
soon id just say, well i ate way over my calorie intake and carb intake, i may as well just EAT EVERYTHING I CAN now, with the callow thought that maybe it will just sorta pass through me

so then i would go nuts
little debbies
kings size candy bars
driving to the store buy nothing but trash, and eating in my car on the way home, because the drive was 3 minutes and i couldn't even wait to get home and eat.

I had no enjoyment in the food, and it became a mission to just FINISH IT so it would not be around anymore. If you look for my other posts you;ll see me asking about cheat days, looking for an excuse to my gluttony. I would eat untill the I felt pain, and sick, then i would rest, feel sweaty, and sometimes when i would have a little more room in my stomach i would eat more.

I could get over the sick feeling in about a day, diet for a week, and repeat. Of course my concern was when i started doing it 3 days in a row, thus my first post.
It was so bad i necklaces got tight on my neck, i couldn't believe it, i was like DAMN, i need help. Expecially when i would eat a lot of healthy food, to feel that feeling of extreame fullness.

This is why i can not just have junk food in the house because i can not rationally eat it. I just cannot. Well i haven't had it in over a week so that all may be changing.

so i have been getting over it, and im enjoying my food and keeping my progress in a log. check my first posts, my 21st bday post, one of my first binges that started an addiction for it.

People want what they can't have, dieting means restricting lots of unhealthy food, it takes will power to eat it in moderation, i envy those who can have ONE COOKIE and be satisfied. Everyone wants abs, everyone wants cars, everyone wants, desires, and those wants take hard work. Ive been a slacker most of my life, and my attempt was one week @ a time. Now im trying to adapt a lifestyle.

Binge eating has not lead me to be "fat" or morbidly obese, im extreamly fit, and very lean compared to many idle folks around my, with my metabolism i could probably eat junk all the time and not look really chunky. It has however interfered with my goal of being ripped, and also with my life in general, -taking 4 hours out of your day to just eat...eat..eat. Weird stuff.

I know other are checking this out and little did I know, people can relate to it. Thank you for replying and understanding where im coming from. Food is a powerful drug. Im not sure where im going with this rant but i have class now. Im looking forward to my healthy meal after ward.

Later all.

Crunch
 
Crunch,

yep, I know how that story goes, I can relate pretty well.

even though I posted that I thought I had everything figured out awhile back, the truth is that i didnt, and that its not much about figuring things out but rather just not doing it, and sticking to your guns.

thats why I've had problems up at college lately, because I wasnt sticking to my guns.

I think its interesting trying to debate whether or not having cheat food in moderation is a good idea. I've tried not going without any cheat food at all, but that unfortunately lead to a massive craving and a binge after 2 weeks. I have also tried cheat days, and those usually lead to binging for an entire day, but do work as long as you limit them to one day.

Lately I've been trying something new though, cheat meals (that arent all out binges). I have 2 cheat meals on 1 day of the week. one of them is intended for sweet cravings, the other one for fat cravings. This way I get what I want, often enough so I don't crash during my routine. Boy, i hate calling my healthy weekly diet a routine, because that makes it sound not automatic for me. I want it to seem like the norm.

Anyways thats what Im trying right now. If I ever have to do any real dieting, then I also think its wise to add a carb cheat meal (or a few meals) in the middle of the week.
ah well we'll see how it goes.
 
Crunch, I'm just chiming in for support. I know what you mean, I dieted down to where I could see my abs for the first time in my life. It lasted about 3 months, and then I couldn't stop binging.

I would just say I'll start bulking, but it was just an excuse to force food down my throat.

Here I am a year later, working my ass off to get those abs back. It's coming, but it's slow. In 2 months, I've had 2 carb up days. My secret for that is to go to the store the night before when I'm full, and buy everything I'm allowed to have. I don't care what it is, as long as it doesn't have fat.

Anyway, I hope all goes well with you, we're all in the fight. Hopefully we can overcome.
 
I just wanted to chime some more accountability things in:

From now on, from here on out, I am going to do my cardio in the morning or ASAP and not dick around and do it later in the day, like I have been.

I am also going to start getting back on a sleep schedule, and follow, only staying up later if I have GOOD reason to, such as being out with friends, etc. and even then I'm still going to try to limit that extension to only a couple hours. I think regularly I'm going to try to get to bed by 12:15 and get up at 8:00, we'll see.

So here's all that I can be held accountable for now:

1. Diet - Eating healthy regularly except for 2 cheat meals in the week
2. Cardio - 25-30 min. and doing it ASAP in the day.
3. Sleep - gettin 7.5 hours a night, and on a regular schedule.

Alright, it's time to do this!
 
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p60, bro, i like your plan.

thats what was helping me out man, ive been trying to go to bed @ 12:00pm and I was waking up to cardio @ 7, although it takes me a while to get going, i could probably move it to 8am if i can get to the gym quicker.

also i can relate on staying out, im passing up staying up unless its a legit reason...ex: a woman in my bed, other shit...screw it.

I've been eating bland food lately, and im not craving a binge @ all. Today i ate oatmeal, whey and eggbeaters --all day.
I need to hit the store up.

Lets do this together man, i'll try what you said. I think a regular sleep schedule is key, i mean i was going good all summer sleeping 11pm to 8am..then on the weekends, i would stay up late, get little sleep and BINGE BINGE BINGE.

school is not making this any easier right now as well. gah. speaking of which i have a paper to work on.
 
Yeah, bro I know what you mean. School makes everything harder, I just wanna sit on my ass and play Tony Hawk 4. I'm such a lazy bastard, I should do some work soon!:)
 
Binging doesn't happen at night for me.... it begins very early in the morning of my designated "refeed" days.... which I approach with great anticipation. While I could sleep in until 10am on a normal dieting day, I often automatically wake up at 4am or so, and rush out to the 7-11 to stock up on high-carb food.

Then, I completely overdo it. I don't eat 50g of high GI carbs every 2 hours, as has been recommended to me.... I eat about 500g every half hour. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Or it seems like that anyway.... I sure eat a lot. Like Crunch, so much that my stomach feels like it will perforate and I can barely move.... which is a good thing, because if I COULD move, I would go straight to the kitchen and find something else to eat. I completely neglect my protein intake too.... no time for protein, must eat as many carbs as humanly possible in the shortest possible time!!

I don't do refeed days too often.... though the temptation to cheat is getting stronger and stronger lately. Next refeed day I have, I want to be very strict about how much I eat and when.... set the foods I'm gunna eat, maybe even write it down.... and what times.... and stick to it. Treat it like a normal dieting day, except with some of the foods I've been craving.

Seems a lot of us suffer with this.... it's a real problem.
 
Update everybody!!

Last few days has gone good so far.

I have stuck to a clean diet completely, and havent come near screwing up at all.
There is something about the fact that I have to report to you guys, that keeps me from even thinking about cheating or doing anything dumb.

in terms of exercise I have some more good news! I have been getting it in, at the time and intensity i want, but.....

admittingly I haven't been doing it in the morning ASAP. Usually it gets procrastinated a ways into the day. :( On tuesday I waited until 9:30 pm, about the latest I could before the gym would close, and yesterday I got it in at 11 am, which was better, but....

today its 3:00 pm and I havent done my cardio yet. :(
So after I'm done posting on here, I'm going to eat a meal, call up my friend, then buy some groceries for the week, then after that, head over and do my cardio.

as for sleep, that also has been going quite well. got to bed at 12:15 on tuesday, last night it was about 1:30 i think. :(
Something I still gotta work on,

but... at least my diet is perfect so far! :)

its good to see my stomach finally debloating.
 
alright p60 nice

im doing good too diet wise, the weekend is here and im not planning on eating junk..or even going out, ive got so much school work to do.

so ive come almost 2 weeks with out a bad cheat, way far from binging! yeah.

keep it up man, im looking forward to updates.
 
Great job P60! At least you're getting the cardio in - doesn't really matter what time of day you do it, as long as you do it, IMHO. Here's something else you can try that burns a lot of kcals, if you're tired of cardio: 8x8s w/ 15 second rest intervals. You do 8 sets of 8 reps with 15 second rest intervals. You have to drop weight considerably (usually 40%), and the first 3 sets feel easy, but by the 8th set, you're struggling to finish. You can do your whole workout in this format, and trust me, you'll feel it, heart, lungs, and muscles. :-)
 
jjfigure,

wow, 8 sets of 8 reps w/ 15 sec intervals would be hard, lol!
That is definately something to consider. I am still kinda toying with what I want to do with my weight routine, this definately seems like something worth trying, reminds me of circuit training.

crunch1,

2 weeks, that is very good. to think that you havent even had 1 cheat food yet. I have 2 cheat meals planned for Saturday.
Ha, I don't know if I could go forever without any kind of cheat food. heh, its not bad for you in quite small quantities, but we all know how hard it can be to keep moderation with cheating, lol. Planning it out before works pretty well.

All I can say is that don't worry, having a sugary or fatty food once in awhile isnt morally wrong. So if you really want to, you can have it as a cheat meal or something, just keep control of things. I find it great to do so, as its not necessary to eat brocolli and tuna all the time to stay lean, and the cheat food gives a great sense of variety and taste. I've found that when I restrict myself from having anything other than my dietary foods, i set myself up, because subconsciously I know I can get lean and be happier w/o an anal diet 100% of the time therefore I'll 'cheat'. Then my conscious mind tries to beat myself up for this, when there is really no need to, thus beating myself up for it becomes destructive, going into that depression/binge vicious cycle.


Reason I say all this is because I know how hard it can be to go really long periods of time without cheat food period. Personally, I've never gone for more than 2 weeks without cheating, as my body will viciously crave it, lol. Therefore its good to respect that, and to avoid being a dieting nazi if it isnt necessary.

just my own 2 cents
 
Manu said:

Yes.

And as usual, you are being brainwashed by the media.

Did you actually EXAMINE the compostion of the trials?

No, you probably didn't.

Anyways, its the Phen-Fen combo that is BAD for people with ADVANCED heart disease, artheriosclorosis and a whole host of other metabolic dirseases due to obesity.

Later, they retracted their statements and declared FENFLURAMINE a.k.a. Pondimin safe in trials up to 90 days.

Here is the post by George:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25083&highlight=fenfluramine

The excerpt:

Thursday June 14 5:59 PM ET
Heart Unharmed by Short Use of Banned Diet Drug
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - There appears to be no evidence that people who took the diet drug fenfluramine for a short period of time before it was removed from the US market in 1997 are at higher risk for heart valve abnormalities.

The findings confirm others that suggest that patients--mostly women--who took the drug for less than 3 months are not at risk for the heart valve problems seen in those who took the drug for a longer period of time, according to the report in the June 11th issue of Archives of Internal Medicine (news - web sites).

The drug was pulled from the market in 1997 after it was linked to heart problems, particularly when used in the so-called ``fen-phen'' combination--a mixture of the drugs phentermine and fenfluramine or dexfenfluramine. These heart-valve defects can make the heart work less efficiently by allowing blood to backwash into one of the heart's chambers.

In the new study, Dr. Ravin Davidoff, from Boston University Medical Center, and colleagues looked at women who took the drug as part of a 1993 smoking cessation study. The women had been randomly assigned to take 60 milligrams of fenfluramine or an inactive placebo every day for 3 months.

The researchers were able to locate more than 500 of the original 720 enrolled in the trial and found that up to 5 years later, those women who took the drug had heart function essentially the same as those who did not take the diet drug.

``It is now generally agreed that treatment with fenfluramine-based diet drugs for 3 months or less does not increase the prevalence of valvular abnormalities,'' the researchers note. ``However, concerns regarding long-term followup have not previously been addressed. This study provides additional information regarding cardiovascular status almost 5 years after drug discontinuation.''

SOURCE: Archives of Internal Medicine 2001;161:1429-1436.

That probably opens a few eyes I bet.

Fonz
 
yo, time for an update

I have some good news and I have some bad news.

Okay, so basically I've gone all this time without binging or even overeating, which is really cool! I'm gettin a lil sick of apples and oats and turkey though, I need some more variety in my diet.

Now last night on Friday, I was dang hungry at night, and there was hardly any food around.
I open the fridge, and there are 2 slices left of my mom's apple pie.
I wanted it pretty bad, but cheat meal day was today, so I thought maybe I should hold out, but when I thought further I realized that the pie looked pretty healthy, and that 2 slices isn't all that bad, and that I should still be able to get lean even if I 'give in' every now and then,

so I had some of the best apple pie I've ever tasted, yesterday. :)
And had a tiny bit more food, and that was it. No need to binge at all or nothin.

Today is my day where I have 2 cheat meals. I had one of them for breakfast. I actually think it might be better if I dont force myself to have the next when, and I just take it sometime next week when I need it.

I'm starting to think this 'cheat' organizing junk is weird, and that everything will work out as long as you are moderate, thus dont binge, and you limit how often and how much you do it.

I think I am going to loosen up my diet rules a bit.



Now I also have some news that I think officially qualifies as bad news...

yesterday I was postponing my cardio all through the after noon and early evening,

and then I got an invitation to watch Spiderman, a movie I hadn't seen before,
then I went over to a friends house immediately to hang out.

So yes, due to my lack of planning, I ended up missing a cardio session yesterday. :(
So you guys are allowed to yell at me.
 
Now you have to do double-cardio to make up for it.

Just kidding! :-)

Sometimes, it's healthy to skip a workout - it gets you more fired up for the next one. As long as it doesn't become a habit, I wouldn't sweat it.

Personally, I don't believe in scheduled cheat days. Of course, I'm in the middle of dieting for a comp, so I don't get to cheat at all. :-) But even if I could, I wouldn't schedule them. I would occassionally go out with friends and have a nice dinner, drink some wine, and have a bite of someone's dessert. Makes you feel good without feeling bad, if you know what I mean. And I'd rather keep it spontaneous, so I don't feel like I "have" to cheat today because I scheduled it.

Plus, the longer I go without eating sugar, the less I want to eat it. Even the smell starts to make me feel sick, after a while. Someone was eating twizzlers at work, and I could barely stand the smell. And I used to love licorice. :-)
 
ok, time fore my sorry ass update

well i dont know what the fuck is wrong with me.

thursday night, i binged --not too bad
firday went well
friday night---i binged - bad
saturday (today) i binged
i finished what was left from last night, and waxed off burker king and a big ass bag of cookies


guys, i dont know what to say, im pretty fucked up. I feel like shit right now, im sure its from all the sugar. I went 2 weeks with out doing it and then got slammed. I had dropped 2lbs and everything was going good. I dont know what happened. I probably set myself back again, far back. here i was attempting to cut to 180, im @ 195 with no strength, and maybe a little muscle gains.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?????????????????????????
I guess im going to just go with the flow, and see what happens. I'm starting an antidepressant, there is something wrong upstairs, maybe that'll help (low motivation in everything)

so i either:
a: get back on my ass and resume to cut up
b: say fuck it and bulk up even more

As of right now i feel like i got the BINGING out of my system, i could probably go another 2 weeks without it, it was easy last time, I dunno why i gave in.
 
crunch1....i'm sure it's a sign of your body telling you something...i did the same exact thing and am trying to get back on track (fracturing my foot didn't help me out at all). I was trying to go low carb for a while but i think my body just craves it and i'll go a week then binge on weekends and just practically give up (it's like if i ate one cookie i give up big time and go all out). For now i'm trying to eat a balanced diet (not counting carbs anymore so much) and just eating under maitenance for calories. this seems like it's the best way for me right now (i thought i needed to see a psychiatrist b/c i am a compulsive and emotional eater so i can relate to you). But when i go through these boards and see that i'm not alone and that many of us struggle w/ our diets, it makes me feel better; i have been working on telling myself that i control what goes in my mouth and that my subconscious can't force me to eat anything if my conscious doesn't agree.
 
vitamins & minerals?

Not that this may be the ultimate solution to your problems but if you don't already have you considered supplementing with vitamins and minerals? Deficiencies in essential vitamins & minerals can contribute to cravings and other problems. But don't take my word for it, just do a search on google using 'crave' 'binge' and 'deficiency' and you'll be surprised at how much information you'll get. I'm sure you will find a solution if you look hard enough. Good luck.

mp
 
Crunch if you have a legitimate problem then there isn't much you're going to be able to do to fight it with pure willpower, it will require some sort of medication to correct the imbalance. However I wouldn't jump to conclusions. We know there are true eating disorders out there, but of all the people on this thread that suffer exactly what you're talking about I'd guess only 1 of them truely has a problem and the rest could probably fix their binging with leptin manipulation and a less hardcore approach to their dieting.

You talked about dieting straight for 2 weeks before having to binge and you didn't mention any refeeds. Don't discount their effectiveness. My suggestion for you is to do a 6 hour refeed on Wednesday and then a full 12 hour refeed on 1 of the weekend days. Plan them ahead and know what and how much you will eat on those days. These days will help keep your from doing an uncontrollable binge at a later time. This is what I currently do and it doesn't hamper my fat loss at all not to mention it curbs my cravings big time. You've already told us you had no trouble getting ripped before by doing a single unadultered cheat day a week so 1.5 controlled refeeds per week are not going to hamper it either. Just do your half day refeed after a workout, and the full day one doesn't matter so much.

Whatever you do, don't keep going back into the diet so determined to lose the fat so quickly that you get feel the need to go hardcore. That is exactly what caused this fiasco in the first place. Ease yourself into it and as you get more comfortable then up the anti a bit. I'd suggest a mild caloric deficit for the first few weeks with the refeeds. Then if you get through them ok drop your calories a bit until you get in your ideal groove. If you keep up what you're doing then you'll probably just diet perfectly for a week or two then binge and destroy what you just did, and then repeat the cycle indefinately.
 
time fo another update:

I don't mean to make the 2nd dissapointment here, but here goes:

Saturday was my 2x cheat meal day, which I simply turned into a cheat day, lol. The problem was i cheated a lil on Friday, and I also cheated a lil this morning for breakfast.

The great news is that I have not binged or even overeaten yet. But I have been eating pretty unhealthy for the last 40 hours. last night I went like 7-8 hours in the evening without a meal, got home late, and ate a fair amount of sugary carbs, but i didnt binge.
still feels bad about how unhealthy that was though.

To make matters worse, my sleep cycle has been vicious. Example: I stayed up til 3:30 last night and didn't get to church this morning,

and as far as Exercise goes: yesterday I procrastinated it again, then got offered to hang out with friends that evening, so I didn't get it done. That makes 2 days in a row without cardio. :(
I feel extrememly guilty now.

But its okay to feel guilty, just not unmotivated and depressed.

Either way, bed times suck and cardio really sucks,
I think I really just need to find a way to crank up my discipline.

This is ironic Crunch,
I was just about to go on a plan with no cheat food at all, no cheat days, etc. Hoping that would make me want to cheat less during the days I'm not supposed to.

heh, well, after Vagetas comment and your experience maybe refeeds do have a purpose and are worthwhile.
I might have to change my mind again and continue to use them.

anyways Crunch,

I wouldnt worry about it too much. Just keep on trying different ideas until something works. I would go with the refeed idea that vageta suggested.
It's either that or find a way to change your incentives to make you want "Lean" more.
I really don't believe in willpower all that much.
 
bumpin for an update

i binged all weekend
been clean mon tues

taking a new aproach to things

im going to go 100gcarb for 3 days, then refeed, on clean foods, and then repeat.
this extreame drastic stuff is not for me.
still seeking a cure...hoping legit refeeding helps it.
 
this extreame drastic stuff is not for me.

Nor is it for anyone seeking to live out a normal, healthy life. The only ones I'd say the extreme diets are good for are those that are getting paid to do it, ie; professional bodybuilders, models, pro athletes, etc..

Perhaps if I made a living out of it I could force myself to follow such an extreme lifestyle, unfortunately I would like to live a halfway normal life and would like to just stay in shape year round if possible.
 
The book "Breaking out of food jail" is a outstanding book. It was recommended on here by someone on an earlier post. Anyone struggling with there eating patterns should read this book.....I highly recommend it!

Ryan
 
Fonz said:


Yes.

And as usual, you are being brainwashed by the media.

Did you actually EXAMINE the compostion of the trials?

No, you probably didn't.

Anyways, its the Phen-Fen combo that is BAD for people with ADVANCED heart disease, artheriosclorosis and a whole host of other metabolic dirseases due to obesity.

Later, they retracted their statements and declared FENFLURAMINE a.k.a. Pondimin safe in trials up to 90 days.


Thank you Fonz for the explanation, didn't knew.
 
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