help a noob in cycle (ive researched)

[sdneves]

okay i got my diet down pretty good and the pct i wanna do

and i thought i had a cycle i wanted to do but now im not so sure.

i need to get lean and put on some muscle

im about 6 1 255 and 21-23%bf what are some realistic results? maybe something like 235 13%bf or is that asking to much? i train hard i have no problems pushing my self so ur advice is not wasted i plan on keeping measure ments body fat % and pics throughout the cycle and up untill the fight and possible even video of the fight/tourney.

i was thinking bout doing test e 250mg mon/thurs
10 week.
but i was hearing im gonna get really huge. i have good genetics and am really gonna do this cycle cause im gonna have a good opertunity to figtht in august .

i have a freind that (dumbass) that i should do clen only nothing else me being a noob it threw me off and i though id do some research and come ask my buddies here at ef what they think will get me lean strong and help me drop that bf.

im naturally strong about a month ago i was benching 305 and ive gotten alot stronger havent tested it but im guessing i can probably through up about 355. ive always been naturally strong i remmber being 12 and lifting 170ish when i weight in at 155 and than my 15 freshman year being 160 throwing up 205 3 times after not lifting for a year.

so can u plz help me i dont wanna screw up a good chance to actually get some recognizition and be able to train a couple local dojos free of charge including sups classes and maybe some gear(training shorts tape gloves shirts sweaters etc.)

 

[02gixxersix2]

Whether you get huge or get cut is going to be based solely on your diet and at your level of bodyfat you don't need steroids. Of course I know that's not what you want to hear but it's the truth. What you need to do is learn hwo to diet an do more cardio. I know you say you have your diet in check but you could definitely get to a much lower bodyfat if you did. Go hang around the diet board and I wouldn't start thinking about AS until you are farther along. If your bench went up 50 lbs in one month without steroids you'd be cheating yourself by not trying to get closer to your max potential before starting.

 

[sdneves]

yeah i knew i was gonnna hear that and its hard for me to do cardio since ive developed chin splints i had been doing a full 3 mile every day but now im back to having to ride the bike. shit and its an improvement i was weighing in back in november at 304 lbs and up in the 30 % bf probably. and the 21-23%bf is a guess back when i was 284 they did an actual body fat test (calipers) i was 28% and ive been losing 8lbs a month. does anyone know how to get rid of chin splints?

 

[MadManiac13]

No, But how do you expect to fight without Cardio? What kind of fighting are we talking about? I fight MMA, Submission Wrestling, and Boxing.....and Cardio is the sole number one most important thing to all those sports. If you can't run...try biking or something. It won't get you into fight shape, but it may help you lose weight.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm gonna have to agree here, bud.... bring down the bf first to at least between 15-18%... then you'll see better results from a cycle.... test only is a great start.... you can use clen as part of your dieting-down (lots of posts on here about clen)...

as for your shin splints.... if running gives you splints, then stay away from running.... rest is the only cure for them....make sure you have good running shoes...... then try some other forms of cardio such as bike, elipitcal, stair master

 

[stuck]

At 23% your cycle will be wasted. Don't be in a hurry to hop in till you can get control of your diet. Have you tried the elliptical?

Even with the shin splints, if you're 23% your main issue is diet content and portion control. You can run till your legs fall off, if your diet is still pizza and wings it will do you no good.

When trying to lose BF, I always found it more motivating to drop the running altogether, get the diet in check, hit the weights and stick to walking afterwards (or light biking in your case). Then, after a few weeks of that, you start to "feel it" and higher intensity cardio begins to become more appealing to get you over that hump.

 

[Phys PhD]

yeah i knew i was gonnna hear that and its hard for me to do cardio since ive developed chin splints i had been doing a full 3 mile every day but now im back to having to ride the bike. shit and its an improvement i was weighing in back in november at 304 lbs and up in the 30 % bf probably. and the 21-23%bf is a guess back when i was 284 they did an actual body fat test (calipers) i was 28% and ive been losing 8lbs a month. does anyone know how to get rid of chin splints?

Do you mean "shin splints?" Yeah, I used to get them all the time doing sprints until a trainer showed me a good trick--tape your arches. Get some athletic tape (you don't need much), place the tape across the top of your foot and wrap it around TOWARD THE INSIDE of your foot. Wrap 1.5 to 2 times around your foot. NOTE: you do not have to wrap tape around the entire length of your foot--just a single strip a couple of times around does the trick. I can't speak for running long distances with this, but it worked for me.

And no, I have no idea why it works.

 

[sdneves]

yeah sorry bout the typo shin splints.

how effective is clen i was looking for some threads of peoples success with it but i havent been able to find anything am i not looking right place? being a non plat makes it hard to search.

so what kind of results could i expect from clen i read it has an anabolic effect so i could more weight and keep muscle maybe keep some? in three monts would it possible to lose 30-40 lbs while putting on 5 lbs muslce or something to that nature in a 3 months of very hard work and a clean diet?

 

[TracDT1]

At 23% your cycle will be wasted.

why do u say his cycle will be wasted?

 

[tiggerizme]

why do u say his cycle will be wasted?

I don't know if WASTED is the right term but it won't be as beneficial to him as it could be. If he was to get the calories down to below maintenance level, increase cardio he could get his body fat down to a percentage where he will actually see the muscles growing. At such a high BF it will look mostly like bloat which I am sure is not the results that he is striving for.

 

[stuck]

If the goal is to lower body fat, then he's technically cutting. You don't cut at 23% body fat with juice.

I think your buddy is right on with the clen. I'd go that route first, but good luck with whichever way you decide to go.

 

[Prizz]

yeah sorry bout the typo shin splints.

how effective is clen i was looking for some threads of peoples success with it but i havent been able to find anything am i not looking right place? being a non plat makes it hard to search.

so what kind of results could i expect from clen i read it has an anabolic effect so i could more weight and keep muscle maybe keep some? in three monts would it possible to lose 30-40 lbs while putting on 5 lbs muslce or something to that nature in a 3 months of very hard work and a clean diet?

Actually Clen won't be that effective for ya..... Youre better off using Ephedrine and Caffiene for a while.... There are studies done on rats with Clen, and the more obese rats didn't lose much fat with Clen use.... Clen seems to be more effective when your BF% is lower, around 17% or below.... The same study showed the leaner Rats lost more BF then the obese rats, so I'd say save the Clen for later.... ECA will work better, plus it curbs your appetite where Clen doesnt....

rizz

 

[sdneves]

eca means ephedrine caffiene what does the a mean? any good places online to order it? im gonna schedual a more accurate bf test at a gym the test where they dunk u in the water to see ur true body fat.

 

[stuck]

eca means ephedrine caffiene what does the a mean? any good places online to order it? im gonna schedual a more accurate bf test at a gym the test where they dunk u in the water to see ur true body fat.

The a is for aspirin. You should be able to find that online.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

hi.

okay i got my diet down pretty good and the pct i wanna do

you dont know what you want to do exactly, so how can you know if your diet is good. thats non sensical. decide what youre going ot do in terms of body composition change then tailor diet accordingly.

im about 6 1 255 and 21-23%bf what are some realistic results? maybe something like 235 13%bf or is that asking to much? i train hard i have no problems pushing my self so ur advice is not wasted i plan on keeping measure ments body fat % and pics throughout the cycle and up untill the fight and possible even video of the fight/tourney.

you should be able to achieve those results naturally even on something as simplistic as a body for life training/diet regime.

i was thinking bout doing test e 250mg mon/thurs
10 week.
but i was hearing im gonna get really huge. i have good genetics and am really gonna do this cycle cause im gonna have a good opertunity to figtht in august .

stop thinking and start reading. 250mg test 4 times a week is an insane amount of gear, and imo, you arent someone who needs gear at all.

using gear isnt a quick fix. its a fast track to a lot of problems if you dont know what youre doing. put some time and effort into educating yourself or its going to bite you in the ass badly. very badly.

i have a freind that (dumbass) that i should do clen only nothing else me being a noob it threw me off and i though id do some research and come ask my buddies here at ef what they think will get me lean strong and help me drop that bf.

KISS. step 1) decide what you want to do. step 2) decide if drugs are appropriate at all. step 3) look at training + diet in context of goals, with and without drug use. step 4) decide, and stick to the plan.

 

[sdneves]

i didnt plan on 4 shots a week i planned on 2 shots a week at 250 mg so 500 mg

 

[Neo22]

I'll chime in also.

Drop the bodyfat
If you can't do the treadmill , do the stairmaster its easy on shins and not as high impact as most people think.
Run clen if you wish, it will help, but it wont do shit unless you are in a calorie deficit and eat the right foods. I would say right now don't run it.

 

[Jon79]

bro get in shape before you start the cycle. do not use clen or anything... i am a little out of shape as well. i already have my cycle in hand. it will be my third cycle. my advice is this... if you go to a gym with free cardio classes included like i do take advantage. take about a month and go to those classes. and stick to a good diet. only take in about 12 times your body weight in good clean calories. the point is to get into the best shape naturally and then do the cycle... you will be alot happier in the end... i plan to start the cycle i have in about a month ..... i just hit up all the free classes i can at the gym. spinning, kickboxing or whatever. you can burn alot of fat off in those classes and it does not make the cardio boring... anyway i am just saying bro get in shape and then start the cycle, if your diet is on point when you start the cycle you will gain the lean mass you want. since i have my cycle on hand i am using that to modivate me to get to the point i want to be before i start it.... sorry for blabbing away bro but i just want you to get the most out of your cycle i am sure you understand

 

[Jon79]

either way good luck to ya bro!

 

[sdneves]

thanks alot man. the sad this is i am in pretty good shape i can do 2 rounds for 5 mins sparring wrestling easy. before the shin splints i was able to run 3 miles straight.

since late nov earl dec ive been dieting and working out hard and from the will march 28 i went from 304 i believe if i rmember correctly do 255 and that was counting the weight i was probably about 310-312 before i started the diet.

sucks cause my cardio isnt to bad for not being able to run right now. but i should need to put on some strenght quick i dont wanna fuck up this oppertunity caust im fighting some big ass mexican dude that prob 245 at mosst 15 percent body fat.(less than that u can see his abs.)

 

[sdneves]

my buddy who i was gonna do the cycle with is gonna go and on and still do his cycle hes 6 3 228 15 %bf hes gonna do 500mg a week

and during cycle is aifm adaqet and than just adding clomid and hcd for pct? well still using aifm with pct?

 

[YankeesMan]

Your "buddy" is still doing the cycle?

Sounds fishy...

 

[sdneves]

no me and my freind/training partner were gonna do a cycle together but im taking the advice of everyone and not gonna do the cycle but hes gonna do it cause his results wont be "wasted". reading is your freind. Unless i wrote something wrong which i appologize if i did cause its late im tired and im not proof reading lol.

im just gonna order some trex gluc r and sesapure and bust ass on cardio and keep eating clean and dropping weight.

 

[sdneves]

yesterday i saw the im on steroids true life lol. that was a good one lol steriods made me kill myself :loony: