Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below How good is this stuff? is it really worth it? Which is better? Seems kind of pricy. Do ur levels go back to what they were after u stop taking it? How long can u take it for, is it bad to keep taking after pct is done? A lot of the info u read about is biased but I like what I read about icariin, anyone have experience with icariin? Hcgenerate es has icariin in it and I don't see it in the ingredients for the test stack17
Hcgenerate and teststack17
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hcgenerate and hcgenerate ES are 2 different products. you can get sample packs from NTBM to see if you like them. ES is more a pre-sex type natural remedy vs. using dangerous drugs for ED.. hcgenerate is best used during cycle to keep your nuts plump.
T stack Rx yes you can take indefinitely. its pricey because it gives you a lot of bang for your buck.. the guys I have talked to have said only 1 cap a day has raised their aggression and strength, so in theory 1 bottle can last you 90 days as a stand alone.. although it is recommended to run 2-3 caps a day for pct when you really need help. read my writeup to learn more about it. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html
T stack Rx yes you can take indefinitely. its pricey because it gives you a lot of bang for your buck.. the guys I have talked to have said only 1 cap a day has raised their aggression and strength, so in theory 1 bottle can last you 90 days as a stand alone.. although it is recommended to run 2-3 caps a day for pct when you really need help. read my writeup to learn more about it. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html
Steve summed it up pretty nicely. HCGenerate was designed to be used on cycle to minimize shutdown, where Test Stack is arguably the best natural test boosting product for recovery on the market. Its comprehensive list of 12 ingredients is completely unique and there is not another product like it
Check out the link in my signature for a description of all the ingredients as well as discounts
Check out the link in my signature for a description of all the ingredients as well as discounts
WoRlDsStRoNgEsTmAn
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Not to be a dick or anything, but is there any proof that it limits shut down on cycle? Any body have bloods to back this up? I have personally ran many test boosters while on cycle for the same reason. But every time I had bloods done, my LH and FSH were still at 0. Or is this just for cosmetic reasons, to make your balls appear bigger?
There are numerous studies on how fadogia agrestis stimulates LH, which is what tells your testes to produce test, thus minimizing and reducing shutdown
WoRlDsStRoNgEsTmAn
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Yes, I am aware of this. I am actually on Fadogia right now, 1,500 mg per day. I take it as part of my TRT, helps to keep the balls plump, so takes away the need for HCG in my opinion. But, my bloods still show that my LH is at 0. So how is it limiting shutdown exactly? I think it does more for libido and cosmetic issues than it does for limiting shutdown.
since you are injecting hormones your body will attempt to recover and fail .. if you were to stop injecting hormones that is where these stimulator supps will shine. especially during pct.
those that cycle on and off like myself there is a huge difference when these products are used in the later half of cycles because they prime your HPTA to recover.. its just like using hcg to prime the balls
At won't limit shutdown as the last post indicates. It'll help in pct and possibly help keep nuts plump on cycle, but when you are replacing hormones, you body simply isn't going to say hey, I need more test, therefore it won't produce LH. Clomid does this on cycle also but sure doesn't do anything for shutdown. It just makes you perhaps have a head start on good testicular function
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okay so here are the best times to use these 3 IMO, these are how I use them.
hcgenerate E.S (use before sex just like you were using an E.D. drug but this wont fuck up your heart and give you headaches)
hcgenerate use 2nd half of cycle to prime your nuts
T stack Rx. use stand alone as a non suppressive T booster, works great in pct and bridge, and also you can add to your cycle stack to give you an extra boost.
hcgenerate E.S (use before sex just like you were using an E.D. drug but this wont fuck up your heart and give you headaches)
hcgenerate use 2nd half of cycle to prime your nuts
T stack Rx. use stand alone as a non suppressive T booster, works great in pct and bridge, and also you can add to your cycle stack to give you an extra boost.
