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HCG only cycle! trust me it works!!!!!!

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i got money on this one..
use 5000i.u hcg twice a week for 4 weeks.

youll gain 5-6 pounds of muscle and be stronger than youve ever been!
 
Id be interested to see how this works out if you mean HCG... HCG in itself is suppressive on the HPTA, it simply mimics LH output which in turn increases natural test production!! Ive never used it during a cycle but I know during PCT if ran too long it can be very suppressive. If you run this, be sure to keep a log because ID be subscribed!!
 
satchboogie said:
i got money on this one..
use 5000i.u hcg twice a week for 4 weeks.

youll gain 5-6 pounds of muscle and be stronger than youve ever been!
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I was reading some new literature I have never seen on a medical site a few days back. It advised that HCG DOES in fact increase test levels via the LH mimicing. I have seen many posts here lately stating the opposite and started me looking into it. You can in fact make gains without sacrificing hpta and many other sides. 4 weeks is the max I would use it though due to desensitization possiblities for LH.
 
Satch is right. As long as you use nolva and/or clomid along with it, you won't supress your own test you'll increase it. Higher test levels means more muscle and less fat.
 
This would be really interesting if someone ran this seriously and kept a detailed log. Any test monkeys??
 
I have read, maybe it's true maybe not, if you run hcg at too high a dose OR for too long a time you desensitize the leydig cells in the testicles. And this desensitization is permanent. HCG only mimics LH, it is not LH, this is the reason I suspect the desensitization occurs.

But with that said the study I read didn't say what was too much or what was too long.
 
I would be more inclined to do a 1500iu daily dose if going that route.
 
iron22 said:
This would be really interesting if someone ran this seriously and kept a detailed log. Any test monkeys??
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I have plenty enough to do it, but I'm not giving up my IGF-1 just yet, so I'm out as a monkey for now.

dial_tone, I do have to agree with that more frequent and smaller injections work better, I have done it in the past..

As for permanent leydig cell desensitization, my research told me that it is not permanent but would lend to a crash if it happened. Your test would drop well below normal until the desensitization subsided, only read it, not proved it so take it for what it's worth.
 
indy69camaro said:
I have plenty enough to do it, but I'm not giving up my IGF-1 just yet, so I'm out as a monkey for now.

dial_tone, I do have to agree with that more frequent and smaller injections work better, I have done it in the past..

As for permanent leydig cell desensitization, my research told me that it is not permanent but would lend to a crash if it happened. Your test would drop well below normal until the desensitization subsided, only read it, not proved it so take it for what it's worth.
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But how do you know at what dose you start suppressing HPTA?
I tried 1500IU's as PCT and crashed real hard. Took me 2 months of Clomid to recover back to normal.
 
you can make gains on pct!
thats where most people go wrong.. NOT TAKING ENOUGH hcg!

i always gain 5-6 extra pounds on pct alone!
 
i took HCG alone at 1500mgs per day and shut myself down in a big way...next time i'll run the nol/and clomid...good post.
 
satchboogie said:
you can make gains on pct!
thats where most people go wrong.. NOT TAKING ENOUGH hcg!

i always gain 5-6 extra pounds on pct alone!
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Very interesting post, a couple residual questions:

- are normal pct doses of Nolvadex or Clomid in order for this, or do those need to be increased also?

- "always" gain 5-6 extra pounds on pct alone! Is this true "always" regardless of your cycle, seems like a big difference to make-up b/w say Primo and D-bol?
 
satchboogie said:
you can make gains on pct!
thats where most people go wrong.. NOT TAKING ENOUGH hcg!

i always gain 5-6 extra pounds on pct alone!
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satch.. I agree with you but the frequency plays a big role. Taking it ED has never worked for me at 1500IU's, but taking 5000-10000 IU's every 4-5 days has made me gain extra weight and helped me recover quicker (HPTA).

Peace
 
zips92 said:
Very interesting post, a couple residual questions:

- are normal pct doses of Nolvadex or Clomid in order for this, or do those need to be increased also?

- "always" gain 5-6 extra pounds on pct alone! Is this true "always" regardless of your cycle, seems like a big difference to make-up b/w say Primo and D-bol?
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YES ALWAYS!!

about week 8-10 is where gains stop.
thats when i jump on pct...
and its strange i know but every pct while on 5000i.u hcg every 3 days ive gained an extra 5-6.

remeber hcg is suppressive too and isnt taken seriously as a weight gainer.. think again!

but its very strong!!!!!
 
Mr.X said:
studies please, sounds like something was taken out of context
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im talkin from personal experience of myself, and a few friends.
i dont need any studies to prove a point to myself.

if you run 5000i.u 2x per week for 3-4 weeks you WILL grow!
nobody ever goes that high.. thats the problem.
they use 1500i.u max..

try it and see!
ill even bet my last primo ampule that it works!
 
satchboogie said:
im talkin from personal experience of myself, and a few friends.
i dont need any studies to prove a point to myself.

if you run 5000i.u 2x per week for 3-4 weeks you WILL grow!
nobody ever goes that high.. thats the problem.
they use 1500i.u max..

try it and see!
ill even bet my last primo ampule that it works!
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not doubting you bro, just wanted to see where the info was coming from

I don't run HCG and never will b/c I don't like having pregnant women's urine in me - but in context, HCG would help you get your natural test levels back up, and for most youngings that's pretty high.

What I would like is for someone to do a scientific test with personal loggin on it (test monkey), maybe it is true; thus, it would create a huge market for HCG and a great way for bodybuilders to take alternative routes. Who knows...

P.S. I'll take your primo amps off your hands , escrow style hahaha :p so I can "test" them out.

Mr.X
 
MR.X my man..

HCG boosts testesterone levels through the roof!
and that means gains anytime.
the key, once again, is goin high on the dose.. 5000i.u minimum 2x per week.
 
Big_Joe said:
I have read, maybe it's true maybe not, if you run hcg at too high a dose OR for too long a time you desensitize the leydig cells in the testicles. And this desensitization is permanent. HCG only mimics LH, it is not LH, this is the reason I suspect the desensitization occurs.

But with that said the study I read didn't say what was too much or what was too long.
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I've spoken with three doctors on this subject. Low doses are the only safe route. General opinion is 250iu/ed on HRT and no more than 500iu/ed on cycle. One doc is an Endo, one is an internist that has many bb's that come to him. The last doc is Swale, who is a well known HRT doc. This is a prime example where more is not better and actually worse in the long run. Also higher doses can give E issues. (This I have experienced myself)
 
This may work for some, but definitely not for me. The amount of test it would have my body producing, while higher than baseline, would be no where near what I need to grow, considering the size of my cycles
 
I went to an anti aging doc and his whole program for men is to prescribe hgh and hcg and an anti-e. He won't prescribe any test because he said it is synthetic and shuts you down he said the hcg causes you to produce more natural test. He keeps his patients on it and doesn't cycle he also said he gets patients to increase their own test up to 400%. I got my brothers grandfater-in-law (who just broke his hip) to see him and he went on this program. 4 weeks later he went from bed ridden and his family looking for managed care for him to feeling great and able to ride a bicycle. He's 87 years old and said he now feels better than he has in years.
 
Satch bro, theres no doubt that HCG can increase test and result in gains, but the problem is that, thats not its purpose, its meant to help you recover from a real cycle, i mean i can take HCG at huge amounts to gain at most 6lbs or i can take test at tiny amounts to gain at least 6lbs, so it makes no sense to run it so high, just to replace test (synthetic). also like was mentioned above, if you run HCG as a anabolic then what do you do for pct? nolva, clomid, for what 5-6lbs, just doesnt seem worth it in my opinion. what i can say is that this would be a good cycle for guys that dont want to go serious into gear.
 
satchboogie said:
im talkin from personal experience of myself, and a few friends.
i dont need any studies to prove a point to myself.

if you run 5000i.u 2x per week for 3-4 weeks you WILL grow!
nobody ever goes that high.. thats the problem.
they use 1500i.u max..

try it and see!
ill even bet my last primo ampule that it works!
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Yeah, I use 5000 IU every 5 days going into PCT and am still making gains, even though the concentrations of the other hormones from the cylce are dropping fast. I will do the HCG for 20 days and not lose any strength or size by the time its all done.
 
If I recall Jenetic ran 5000iu 3 times weekly for something like 16 weeks. You would think that if LH desensitization would happen, then he would surely suffer. Apparently he did not....although he did take clomid & nolva thorughout.
 
So all of you are willing to risk desensitization????
jesus WHY!!

stick to regular cycles, if you're talking 5000IU's twice a week then it would be cheaper to run REAL cycles anyhow.


leave the experiments to the medical field, what are you trying to gain... 5-6lbs?
 
So all of you are willing to risk desensitization????
jesus WHY!!

stick to regular cycles, if you're talking 5000IU's twice a week then it would be cheaper to run REAL cycles anyhow.


leave the experiments to the medical field, what are you trying to gain... 5-6lbs?
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Thats exactly my point, you can make gains but to what expense? the risks greatly outweigh the benefits. you would risk soo much just to gain 5-6lbs. why not run dbol, or test 250mgs a week, or any other roid, it would be better, since you would at least gain those 5lbs and do it at lower doses.
 
not to mention, that a bottle of hcg(5000iu) tends to go for around the same price as a bottle of test 10ml/200mg, so cost wise I could shoot 4000mg of test a week, for the same price as using the hcg
 
needsize said:
not to mention, that a bottle of hcg(5000iu) tends to go for around the same price as a bottle of test 10ml/200mg, so cost wise I could shoot 4000mg of test a week, for the same price as using the hcg
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I agree man.

BTW - looking huge in the avatar...
 
nsashbl01 said:
I've spoken with three doctors on this subject. Low doses are the only safe route. General opinion is 250iu/ed on HRT and no more than 500iu/ed on cycle. One doc is an Endo, one is an internist that has many bb's that come to him. The last doc is Swale, who is a well known HRT doc. This is a prime example where more is not better and actually worse in the long run. Also higher doses can give E issues. (This I have experienced myself)
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One of the things I read was written by Dr. Swale. Because I have only seen his stuff posted on line I really don't know if he is a doc or not but what he wrote sounded correct to me. That's why I started doing 500 iu while on. But I do it once every five days and it seems to be working.
 
When Swale added HCG to my HRT program. It made a huge difference in how I feel. I take 250iu 2 days and the day before my shot. Balls stay big and I feel way better. Keeps T way up there also. If I cycle I take 500iu 2 days a week. But I need to take adex then or my E raises too much. He has actually used HCG only on some patients to keep their test high. Especially when he has a patient trying to have kids. Just gotta watch E....
 
This Is Extremely Bad advice!

Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.
 
tokebloke said:
Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.
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tokebloke.......I know there are a lot of opinions about HCG, but you have inidcated some things that also seem different than what I have continued to learn, read, and see posted on EF. Never run HCG during pct??

Some of these excerpts come from Jenetic's post in PCT Forum:

.......Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

There are a ton of experienced bros that said Jenetic's advice is the shit. What are your recommendations based on, because I am very confused even more now?
 
zips92 said:
tokebloke.......I know there are a lot of opinions about HCG, but you have inidcated some things that also seem different than what I have continued to learn, read, and see posted on EF. Never run HCG during pct??

Some of these excerpts come from Jenetic's post in PCT Forum:

.......Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

- On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

There are a ton of experienced bros that said Jenetic's advice is the shit. What are your recommendations based on, because I am very confused even more now?
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JENETIC is a true guru!
i had no idea he held the same view until i read this post.
im glad a true guru also sees the potential of hcg as a mass builder.
 
tokebloke said:
This Is Extremely Bad advice!

Taking 1000iu+ dosages of hcg has been shown to decrase leydig cell sensitivity. This is a very bad thing.........and NEVER run it during pct. Satch man, I thought you knew your shit but this is one of the most mis-informed things I've seen in a while.
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care to share what makes you such guru??
check your credentials before stepping up to me brosky.
 
Interesting thread...I see were ppl are saying its cheaper to run a test cycle then hcg..But i think the point is if you just ran a cycle and gained 20lbs of muscle and you can pct and gain 5 more lbs with no lose of muscle from the cycle this seems to make sence to me..... :qt: Now i dont know that much as far as what the higher levels might do or not do but its clear what hes trying to say...
 
later when I have the time I'l post some studies that prove hcg does decrease leydig cell sensitivity. Also, the only way I have found to effectively repair the sensitivity is by hg and/or igf use. I'll post a study that shows that too.
 
heyyyyyy now.

both of you.. opinions are opinions unless they're disproved with known FACTS so just leave them be.
 
Sorry bros, just noticed.......Off subject for a sec, I am trying to figure out which of Dial_tone's avatars I like the best, frontal or rear? Decisions, decisions.........
 
Okay, while we're on this subject, does anyone know anything about hmg? I read a study -- lost to hard drive corruption -- about a bb who had been on for something like three years and wanted to get his wife pregnant and an endo used hcg and hmg together with clomid to bring him back.
 
hmg is some pretty good stuff so I hear, never used it though. I can get it but I don't know what dose to take. Supposedly it gets you going again post cycle quick. I'm yet to findy any study on it though that shows it's use in males.
 
So Im guessing at those doese of HcG your sex drive is through the roof?? Im always looking to keep that going at 39
 
kbrkbr said:
Okay, while we're on this subject, does anyone know anything about hmg? I read a study -- lost to hard drive corruption -- about a bb who had been on for something like three years and wanted to get his wife pregnant and an endo used hcg and hmg together with clomid to bring him back.
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Bro, here are a couple links that another bro shared with me. I did a little thread research and asked a few questions a couple months back about hmg (in both steroid and pct forums), and there is not a lot of discussion to be found. May be better off with a regular internet search. These links though I think are geared directly to your question, may be a start.

http://www.gfmer.ch/Endo/Lectures_09/dupan.htm

http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/hw201764
 
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