HCG advice

[Nighthawkk]

I usually use HCG sporadically throughout and after cycles, but I haven't had any on hand in a while and I have pretty significant atrophy now (they're probably each the size of a chick pea lol). I'm going get about 10,000iu's soon, so I was wondering how to space out the doses so that I get good results, but don't desensitize myself to the stuff. Thanks

 

[HAYEZ]

500iu eod until they are back to size what i would start at

 

[daville]

are u on or off rjght now?? if off then i would throw in Sustain with it...gets my boys nice and plump!

 

[access]

I agree if your off to also add in the Testosterone Recovery Stack along with the HCG.

 

[ryno9000]

I'm sorry, I love PP products as well, but I think it is kind of a null point to run it with HcG for plumping purposes. I have been running 500mg/ED with HcG, and they are plumping back like I had hoped. I see no reason to run small doses of the stuff, assuming you use it every once in a while.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I usually use HCG sporadically throughout and after cycles, but I haven't had any on hand in a while and I have pretty significant atrophy now (they're probably each the size of a chick pea lol). I'm going get about 10,000iu's soon, so I was wondering how to space out the doses so that I get good results, but don't desensitize myself to the stuff. Thanks

Run the hCG at 1000iu every 5 days. Do 4 shots.

That should have you back without desensitization. The 5 day protocol allows the testes to rebuild the leydig sensitivity for the next shot, and so on.
-Pp

 

[access]

I'm sorry, I love PP products as well, but I think it is kind of a null point to run it with HcG for plumping purposes. I have been running 500mg/ED with HcG, and they are plumping back like I had hoped. I see no reason to run small doses of the stuff, assuming you use it every once in a while.

My thinking though if he is off cycle and in atrophy he could well do with something else also to get everything back on track like Testosterone Recovery Stack and maybe some Nolva. If on cycle then little point to Testosterone Recovery Stack as you state. In this instance HCG should be just fine.

 

[Brewers17]

Run the hCG at 1000iu every 5 days. Do 4 shots.

That should have you back without desensitization. The 5 day protocol allows the testes to rebuild the leydig sensitivity for the next shot, and so on.
-Pp

At what time during the duration of a 10 week cycle would you begin administering the 4 shots every 5th day?

 

[access]

At what time during the duration of a 10 week cycle would you begin administering the 4 shots every 5th day?

You shouldn't need to. You commence HCG on cycle when atrophy starts to settle in which for me is typically around week 4. Then run at low dose (250iu's is generally sufficient) twice a week to end of cycle.

 

[Primordial Performance]

At what time during the duration of a 10 week cycle would you begin administering the 4 shots every 5th day?

You wouldnt need 1000iu if you start taking it early in the cycle. The longer you wait to use hCG after starting the cycle, the less your body responds to it and the more you need.

The ideal is about 250iu every 3-4 days starting a couple weeks into the cycle and runing until your last AAS shot.

-Eric

 

[Stryker1992]

You wouldnt need 1000iu if you start taking it early in the cycle. The longer you wait to use hCG after starting the cycle, the less your body responds to it and the more you need.

The ideal is about 250iu every 3-4 days starting a couple weeks into the cycle and runing until your last AAS shot.

-Eric

PP for president! I love this guy!

 

[Brewers17]

Thanks bros

 

[Nighthawkk]

I'm on right now (Enanth/NPP/Dbol). I actually have been more "on" then off in the past three years with a lot of bridges, but I've always run HCG during that time. It's just that recently they have stayed fairly shrunk. I'll start off with something 1000iu E4D and then maybe in the future run smaller amounts throughout. I was just always worried about the leydig cell desensitization.

This is a bit off topic, but does the constant atrophy affect fertility in the long run? I plan to have children in about 3 years or so.

 

[HAYEZ]

I'm on right now (Enanth/NPP/Dbol). I actually have been more "on" then off in the past three years with a lot of bridges, but I've always run HCG during that time. It's just that recently they have stayed fairly shrunk. I'll start off with something like PP suggested @ 1000iu E4D and then maybe in the future run smaller amounts throughout. I was just always worried about the leydig cell desensitization.

This is a bit off topic, but does the constant atrophy affect fertility in the long run? I plan to have children in about 3 years or so.

by staying on and bridging you pretty much lowering any chance of having kids or not requiring hrt for life...
if i were you i would do 500iu eod until they come back to size...then after that do same thing wheneve ryou notice them shirnking

 

[Nighthawkk]

by staying on and bridging you pretty much lowering any chance of having kids or not requiring hrt for life...
if i were you i would do 500iu eod until they come back to size...then after that do same thing wheneve ryou notice them shirnking

I'm not concerned about HRT for life, but rather fertility issues. After this cycle should I just stop completely and make a doc visit? I'm still mid-20's but have been on fairly consistenly since about age 23, with mostly 200mg test bridges per week in between cycles.

 

[HAYEZ]

I'm not concerned about HRT for life, but rather fertility issues. After this cycle should I just stop completely and make a doc visit? I'm still mid-20's but have been on fairly consistenly since about age 23, with mostly 200mg test bridges per week in between cycles.

i would talk to a specialist and see...sure they can give you an idea...some people have kids while on for years..others aas seems to damage there body more...doc and tests be the only one to set ya straight..id talk to them before coming off or making any decisions

 

[the_alcatraz]

You wouldnt need 1000iu if you start taking it early in the cycle. The longer you wait to use hCG after starting the cycle, the less your body responds to it and the more you need.

The ideal is about 250iu every 3-4 days starting a couple weeks into the cycle and runing until your last AAS shot.

-Eric

That seems to be close to the general consensus of how most people use HCG.

What are your thoughts Eric on using HCG towards the end of the cycle or 10 days after your last shot of test, right with the clomid?

 

[Primordial Performance]

That seems to be close to the general consensus of how most people use HCG.

What are your thoughts Eric on using HCG towards the end of the cycle or 10 days after your last shot of test, right with the clomid?

You could do the hCG towards the end of the cycle right before PCT, and just use a higher dose. [eg, 1000iu every 5 days] Remember you will need a higher dose than 250iu if you wait 8-12 weeks to start shooting it.

I’m not a fan of Clomid. I only run the Testosterone Recovery stack for PCT these days and keep my cycles less than 6 weeks.

If you really want to use a SERM for PCT I would choose Toremifene, then Nolvadex, and then Clomid as the last resort.

-Pp

 

[Nighthawkk]

You could do the hCG towards the end of the cycle right before PCT, and just use a higher dose. [eg, 1000iu every 5 days] Remember you will need a higher dose than 250iu if you wait 8-12 weeks to start shooting it.

I’m not a fan of Clomid. I only run the Testosterone Recovery stack for PCT these days and keep my cycles less than 6 weeks.

If you really want to use a SERM for PCT I would choose Toremifene, then Nolvadex, and then Clomid as the last resort.

-Pp

You mean 250iu weekly, or 250iu daily for short periods while on?

 

[Primordial Performance]

You mean 250iu weekly, or 250iu daily for short periods while on?

250iu every 4 days while on... or at least 500iu once a week while on.

You want to start within the first 2 weeks of the cycle when the testes are still sensitive to the effects of LH/hCG.

-Pp

 

[EPROM]

You commence HCG on cycle when atrophy starts to settle in which for me is typically around week 4. Then run at low dose (250iu's is generally sufficient) twice a week to end of cycle.

This is what I plan on doing with my first "Man up" cycle. I think this is excellent advice and I have seen others state the same.

Birdman

 

[Nighthawkk]

250iu every 4 days while on... or at least 500iu once a week while on.

You want to start within the first 2 weeks of the cycle when the testes are still sensitive to the effects of LH/hCG.

-Pp

I'm in Week 5 and they were atrophied before I started but not nearly as much. Can I kickstart with 500iu and then do 250iu E4D?

 

[van_wilder]

While we're chatting about HCG - do you guys think it's needed throughout cycle if you're running low dose (ie. 300-400mg test only) and if so at what doses?

 

[access]

I'm in Week 5 and they were atrophied before I started but not nearly as much. Can I kickstart with 500iu and then do 250iu E4D?

I woulkd maybe hit up 1000iu's for first week then 500 following and then finish to end of cycle at 250 twice weekly.

 

[access]

While we're chatting about HCG - do you guys think it's needed throughout cycle if you're running low dose (ie. 300-400mg test only) and if so at what doses?

Certainly not going to hurt. 250iu's twice weekly.

 

[Big_Joe]

500iu eod until they are back to size what i would start at

This is good. You can do even more if you want. The desensitization is a myth. What happens is the laydig cells use up all the available cholesterol and then stop producing testosterone. Cholesterol is what they use to make testosterone. The cholesterol has to be right next to the cells for them to get any. So if they are running flat out they use it up. But it will diffuse pretty soon and they will start up again. There is no active transport for cholesterol so it has to diffuse across the membrains. That's fairly slow.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I'm in Week 5 and they were atrophied before I started but not nearly as much. Can I kickstart with 500iu and then do 250iu E4D?

This sounds fine.

-Pp

 

[Primordial Performance]

This is good. You can do even more if you want. The desensitization is a myth. What happens is the laydig cells use up all the available cholesterol and then stop producing testosterone. Cholesterol is what they use to make testosterone. The cholesterol has to be right next to the cells for them to get any. So if they are running flat out they use it up. But it will diffuse pretty soon and they will start up again. There is no active transport for cholesterol so it has to diffuse across the membrains. That's fairly slow.

Yes this is true, but there is desensitization of LH receptors and breakdown of enzyme integrity with too much hCG.

It’s the amount and frequency will cause this, which is why I recommend more time between each dose.

-Pp