I made some 100mg/ml 4ad suspension from one of animals powder kits and some kilosports 4ad powder last year. Making it was easy. However, every time I injected it, whether it be in my shoulder, ass, or leg; 2cc, 1cc, or 1/2cc--I could not take the pain. The entire muscle I injected into would be extremely painful and swollen for at least 3 or 4 days and the injection site would turn red and hot for a few days. I felt sick the entire time--I could hardly work out or eat I felt so bad. I stopped after 3 weeks, people kept telling me that it was normal for a suspension and that it would go away after a couple of weeks. Fuck that. It never went away and I threw out the rest. I did gain some water weight and experience a huge sex drive increase, but I couldn't work out and felt like shit so it was not worth it. unless I am an exception or the kits/powdered 4ad have changed I would NOT recommend trying this. Do a cycle of 1ad and androsol if you want to go with prohormones. You can gain 10lbs off of 1-ad (no h20 retention) in two months at 600mg/day. It is the best PH out there by far.