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Ransom84

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Sup Y'all, I am about to start a new cycle of 700mg of test prop a week for 9 weeks and 80mg of var a day for 6 weeks. This will be my forth cycle and I have used both substances before. However for this cycle I have a bunch of TNE and Halo that I was going to use pre workout. My plan was to use 100mg of TNE 1.5 hours before my workout and then 20mg of Halo about 30 minutes before. Is that too much of an overkill? Should I just stick to one or is stacking both ok?

I have never used Halo before and I am aware of its liver toxicity which makes me a little nervous about running it even if its pre workout. I do have one final question would it be wise to lower my prop amount to 500mg per week due to the use of TNE 4 times a week or just keep it at 700?

Thanks a lot guys and just so you all know, I am 28 being working out for 10 years now and started using at 25. I am 5'10 and weigh 190 with bf% of around 11.
 
142 views and no one have an advice?? C'mon guys let me know what you think either based on experience, knowledge etc. planning on starting Monday.
 
I've never run TNE, but I have run up to 40mg halo preworkout and I love it.

Not sure what you want your total weekly intake of test to be, but you could get away with both. Might want to try each individually and see what the effects are.
 
Yes that's a lot test. The TNE is 0 ester so potency wise per mg, it has the highest % of test.
I would lower the prop.
Good luck bro
What's your pct?
Had bloods done lately?
 
That would be over a gram of test/wk, with orals on top. What's your cycle history? That would matter here.

If you want to use TNE that much, I'd lower the prop. Personally I don't see the point. Id keep the prop up and use TNE sparingly. TNE once every now and then is great, but 4x a week? The pip would get annoying. Have you used TNE before?
 
Thanks for the replies. I have used TNE before for pre workout and I really liked it but it was only for a couple weeks near the end of a cycle. I do agree that it's a lot of test but didnt know how the TNE would effect my overall test levels since its in and out so quickly. As for how much test I want to take per week, I want to keep it at 700mg per week but like I said didnt know how TNE would influence my test levels. I am also going to be using proviron on this cycle as well.

Like I mentioned this is my fourth cycle. My first cycle was a straight Test e cycle at 500mg for 12 weeks. Second cycle was Test Prop at 75mg ED for 8 weeks and tbol 60mg a day for 6 weeks. Third cycle was Prop 100mg ED for 10 weeks, Mast 75mg ED for 9 weeks and Var 60 ED for 7 weeks.

For PCT I am going to be using NTBM unleashed/Post cycle combo, forma-stanzol, and bridge. Using all as directed for 6 weeks.
 
Your PCT needs a serm, and you'll probably want HCG on cycle, especially blasting that much test.

Honestly why can't you lower your test dose to 500mg? 700 is not better, especially if you are using proviron.
Just dial in your AI, use proviron, and hell do 100mg of prop EOD if you want to use TNE. 350mg of test with proviron and halo is plenty. Focus more on training at your age - otherwise you'll be pinning for life.
 
LoveSnatches said:
Your PCT needs a serm, and you'll probably want HCG on cycle, especially blasting that much test.

Honestly why can't you lower your test dose to 500mg? 700 is not better, especially if you are using proviron.
Just dial in your AI, use proviron, and hell do 100mg of prop EOD if you want to use TNE. 350mg of test with proviron and halo is plenty. Focus more on training at your age - otherwise you'll be pinning for life.
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Thanks for the advice. I am going to lower my weekly prop to 500mg like its been suggested, and pin TNE 1.5 hours before my workouts but I going to start with 50mg and see how it is and adjust accordingly. Do you think adding in 20mg of Halo along with the TNE pre workout is safe? Or am I asking for trouble?
 
I always run adex with my cycles because I never want to have to deal with gyno. Since I am using proviron will adex be neccassary? Or should the proviron do the job as well on its own?
 
Personally id use one or the other between halo and tne. Seems pretty intense. Maybe leave out halo and choose a different oral to run just as a finisher

Proviron has great ai properties but i wouldn't run a cycle without aromasin or adex in the cabinet. If you havnt had estro related problems in the past proviron should do the job though
 
Halo is the best finisher there is... why would he change it if he already has it too?
 
Yeah, I already have both TNE and the halo. I assume when you say finisher in regards to halo you are referring to its hardening properties? I am not really using it for that but more for the aggression pre workout. Since halo will be used 4 times a week can I run it the whole duration of my cycle or limit it to 4 weeks at most, perhaps at the end? And I always keep adex on hand, but I will just run the proviron and if I have issues then adex will be incorporated.

Thanks a lot for all the help. Can't wait for Monday!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Let us know how the aggression is with the tne/halo. Should be kitten-killing intensity
 
So just got back from my workout. Pinned 75mg of TNE 1.5 hours before and 20mg of Halo about 30 minutes before my workout, and holy shit! I am usually a low key guy but I was walking around the gym acting like CT fletcher. I don't know if I was giving myself an excuse to act like that but I felt like the baddest dude in the gym. I did kill it though. It was chest and tri's today and what I was doing last week was easy. My rest in between sets felt like forever, I seriously feel like I could have spent the whole day in there banging weights around. I didnt bother trying to set any PRs but you best believe, I will be really soon. Today was intense to say the least, I am not going to bother increasing the TNE to 100 because for me there is no need.
 
Gotta stack some stimulants on top of those things too. Some jack3d or similar
 
burnthiscorpse said:
I wouldn't run halo with 80mg of var.
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Why not? Var is very mild and easy on the liver. I was a little concerned with running halo because of how harsh it is, but I am running liver support throughout the cycle and I am only using it pre WO so I don't foresee a problem. I will be getting bloods done at week 4 of this cycle so I will report back with the results so everyone can have an idea as to what is going on. I know we all would react different to this cycle but you can get an idea of how it will effect you.

But if there is another reason why you wouldn't run halo with var please share, love getting knowledge from you more experience bros
 
Ransom84 said:
Why not? Var is very mild and easy on the liver. I was a little concerned with running halo because of how harsh it is, but I am running liver support throughout the cycle and I am only using it pre WO so I don't foresee a problem. I will be getting bloods done at week 4 of this cycle so I will report back with the results so everyone can have an idea as to what is going on. I know we all would react different to this cycle but you can get an idea of how it will effect you.

But if there is another reason why you wouldn't run halo with var please share, love getting knowledge from you more experience bros
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No, simply from a health point of view. Don't fall into the old bro-ology that Var is easy on the liver. Its still 17aa. So its still liver toxic. Some people obviously deal with liver toxicity better than others pertaining to blood work results. Plus 80mg of var is far from a modest amount. That with the most liver toxic oral (halo) sounds like a bad idea. But that's just me.
Not trying to be a downer. Just don't want you to fuck yourself up.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
No, simply from a health point of view. Don't fall into the old bro-ology that Var is easy on the liver. Its still 17aa. So its still liver toxic. Some people obviously deal with liver toxicity better than others pertaining to blood work results. Plus 80mg of var is far from a modest amount. That with the most liver toxic oral (halo) sounds like a bad idea. But that's just me.
Not trying to be a downer. Just don't want you to fuck yourself up.
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Not being a downer at all. It's good advice, I am going to continue to run it and get bloods done to really see what is happening. Is there some symptoms I can look for to see if my liver is taking a beating before I get my bloods done or am I out of luck?
 
Ransom84 said:
Not being a downer at all. It's good advice, I am going to continue to run it and get bloods done to really see what is happening. Is there some symptoms I can look for to see if my liver is taking a beating before I get my bloods done or am I out of luck?
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IIRC you'll get extreme fatigue if your liver is taking too much of a beating. Possibly jaundice? I don't want to throw out bro-ology either as I cant remember exactly.
 
I ran halo for months at 40mg/day. Crashed my motorcycle one, woke up in an ER with a doctor of Arabic descent telling me my liver values were high and asking if I was on meth because I had just taken jack3d (that'll test positive for amphetamines lol). I remember starting to feel fatigued all the time, even with heavy stimulants.

I wouldn't run the var - not because of the toxicity, but because its like pixy dusting yourself with a weak ass drug. Even at 150mg/day var is still weak.

Run some liver detox while you're on those drugs, a lot of certain types of spices will help your cholesterol values not go to absolute crap too.
 
UA_Iron said:
I ran halo for months at 40mg/day. Crashed my motorcycle one, woke up in an ER with a doctor of Arabic descent telling me my liver values were high and asking if I was on meth because I had just taken jack3d (that'll test positive for amphetamines lol). I remember starting to feel fatigued all the time, even with heavy stimulants.

I wouldn't run the var - not because of the toxicity, but because its like pixy dusting yourself with a weak ass drug. Even at 150mg/day var is still weak.

Run some liver detox while you're on those drugs, a lot of certain types of spices will help your cholesterol values not go to absolute crap too.
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So your saying that because var will give mostly strength and lean hard mass(albeit not much mass) that he may as well run halo because it will do the same thing only wayyyyy more?
 
burnthiscorpse said:
So your saying that because var will give mostly strength and lean hard mass(albeit not much mass) that he may as well run halo because it will do the same thing only wayyyyy more?
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Halo will do way better for strength, test will do way better for mass. Granted, the var might be hitting it from another angle, it just is a little overkill. And running two orals at once - not saying it cant be done, it's impact is peanuts compared to the others.

Staggering the orals is always a good way to go imo. Run the var first, or end with it. Halo, imo, is the best way to end a cycle if you're looking for the ultimate in cyborg look.
 
UA_Iron said:
Halo will do way better for strength, test will do way better for mass. Granted, the var might be hitting it from another angle, it just is a little overkill. And running two orals at once - not saying it cant be done, it's impact is peanuts compared to the others.

Staggering the orals is always a good way to go imo. Run the var first, or end with it. Halo, imo, is the best way to end a cycle if you're looking for the ultimate in cyborg look.
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I always run two orals together. But I have a different approach. I use winny for my base oral, then pulsate drols or halo preworkout with some coffee so I can rock and roll in the gym.
 
I love var and at 80mg I get great results. The strength and lean mass is perfect for my needs. I dont know if I will experience any of the benefits from the hardening properties of halo from running it the way I am only pre WO. But the added aggression and strength in the gym is nuts. I don't think I could spend 4-6 weeks on it.
 
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