HAIRLOSS - Which gear effects it and why

[chilledandy]

I am new to this site, but not new to gear. I've been on and off it for about 6 years and tried pretty much all of it.
Recently I noticed after doing 3 cycles of Tren E, Test E and Winny, my hair line receeded pretty bad. Now, as a result, i'm fearful of using these compounds (except Test E - I put the hairloss down to the tren and winny as I was using Finasteride at the time).

Searching the boards of not only this site but about half a dozen, finding any definative stats about how each steroid effects hairloss has been incredibly difficult. So far I have gleaned the following info:

Finasteride (proscar / propecia) works to prevent hairloss by blocking the conversion of test to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase path. Therefore, it will only prevent hairloss from occuring when using steroids that convert to DHT via this path.
This renders it useless against:
Winny,
Proviron
Halotestin
The above 3 are DHT derivatives.
Tren - converts to DHT via a different route.

So far this is all I have been able to conclude. The rest of my research has left me confused. I have read comments such as D-bol is bad (my experience would suggest otherwise) and that it is a DHT derivative!?! As far as i'm aware dbol is not a DHT derivative. Does any conversion to DHT occur via the 5-alpha reductase when using dbol? I don't know!!! Some say yes (meaning fina would work) others say no (meaning it wouldn't).

Can anyone help set this straight.

Could we create a list of each individual compound and relate it directly to DHT conversion, hairloss and if hairloss can be prevented. E.g:

Proviron:
DHT derivative
Finasteride: Won't work
Hairloss: Probable if predisposed
Preventable: Not with Fina but maybe with Monoxidil

Or something to the above effect.

Personally i'm specifically looking for info on the following chems:

T-bol,
Anavar,
EQ,
Primo,
and Test E.

But i'm sure other people using other chems or thinking of using other chems have their own concerns about hairloss and this sort of thing would be a great reference tool for future use.
Also, once under way, all of the above could be deleted and so it would just be a really concise, easy to use sticky reference with each steroid listed in a standard easy to understand format.

Thanks in advance.

 

[krishna]

Finasteride will only work with test. Most people don't have a problem with tren, but some do. As far as the gear that you're looking specifically at, they are of the safer ones when it comes to hair. Some have gotten severe shedding with primo and eq (primo is a derivative of eq), but it's not very common. Tbol and var are usually pretty safe on the hair line, although any gear has the potential to cause shedding. Dbol is a derivative of test and cause pretty bad shedding. There is no way to internally block dbol shedding, or any dht derived gear either. One study I read indicated that tren is not reduced via 5ar, and therefore, you cannot stop it if it causes shedding. Some studies suggest that Saw Palmetto Extract has a regulating effect on the AR which may help with shedding. I suggest you start taking that, along with minoxidil w/azeleic acid.

 

[thebrakes]

Finasteride will only work with test. Most people don't have a problem with tren, but some do. As far as the gear that you're looking specifically at, they are of the safer ones when it comes to hair. Some have gotten severe shedding with primo and eq (primo is a derivative of eq), but it's not very common. Tbol and var are usually pretty safe on the hair line, although any gear has the potential to cause shedding. Dbol is a derivative of test and cause pretty bad shedding. There is no way to internally block dbol shedding, or any dht derived gear either. One study I read indicated that tren is not reduced via 5ar, and therefore, you cannot stop it if it causes shedding. Some studies suggest that Saw Palmetto Extract has a regulating effect on the AR which may help with shedding. I suggest you start taking that, along with minoxidil w/azeleic acid.

no offense bro but that's some muddled information you're spouting.

5AR inhibitors should in theory act on all non-5AR steroids, including EQ, deca, dbol, tbol and of course test. most people find that it only has effects for test (obviously not ideal for deca as DHN is actually less androgenic)...although i used dutasteride while on high-dose test and EQ for ~30 weeks and i got very little, if any loss. i have shedded previously while using tbol, superdrol, 1-test, mestanolone (MDHT) and some legal tren analogues (max lmg), so i do have MPB.

primo is more often a hairline-killer than perhaps you realize - which makes sense considering it is a 5AR steroid. lots of guys with MPB report problems with primo. ditto for EQ, although it doesnt really make alot of sense considering EQ's very low affinity for the 5AR enzyme.

naturally, tren, winny, masteron, anadrol, halo, proviron will all cause problems if you're prone because they themselves bind to the androgen receptors in the scalp.

honestly the best choice is test with a 5AR inhibitor...because you KNOW you are blocking the chemical that causes the hairloss. everything else is kind of a crapshoot....and i have used alot of different things and found that test solo with dutasteride kept the hairloss at bay the best. if you have to kickstart - use prop. tbol might be ok for some, but it's VERY similar to dbol in regards to its ability to reduce via 5AR - the 4-chloro may have some interaction which prevents all of it, but the potential is still there.

 

[bilter]

I thought Krish's post was well done............

 

[comebackkid.]

Would it be advisable to take Propecia with a cycle of 400 mg test e and 300 mg of EQ?

Maybe the better question is whether taking propecia with this cycle can cause any adverse effects?

 

[chilledandy]

So which steroids do convert to DHT via the 5-alpha reductase?
Does Eq and Primo, Anavar etc...
Any one know?
Or is it just Test? IF Dbol is derived from Test then surely Dbol would too and therefore can be blocked by Finasteride?

 

[smoke67]

38 and getting a little thin up top. From my experience nothing helps with D bol. I will start sheding in two weeks with D bol so I do not use it anymore. Test with finasteride works for me. I also use topicals and it keeps me from sheding. Stay away from D bol if you value your hair. GOOD LUCK

 

[lanky]

any AAS has the ability to cause hairloss..it does not matter if it is a "DHT derivative" ie.. 5 alpha reduced androstane

 

[ProtienFiend]

any AAS has the ability to cause hairloss..it does not matter if it is a "DHT derivative" ie.. 5 alpha reduced androstane

To elaborate, flucuation of hormone levels in itself can cause hairloss... and it is nearly impossible to keep a steady hormone level while on no matter how hard you try.

 

[lanky]

To elaborate, flucuation of hormone levels in itself can cause hairloss... and it is nearly impossible to keep a steady hormone level while on no matter how hard you try.

agreed,

as a group here on EF and other bodybuilding boards maybe the hairloss noted on different coumpounds is not directly related to its androgenic property, but because when you take an AAS for example winstrol or other steroids that do not have any estrogenic properties you supress your natural testosterone production and hence less testosterone available to turn into estrogen. Estrogen has been shown to be a powerfull modulator of the hair growth cycle..maybe a sudden decrease in estrogen levels can throw hair growth cycle into a tellogen( death fallout stage)...just a thought