Hair loss...

[maxspeed96ct]

I just talked to a old gym friend of mine, he always runs gear and etc...


I noticed his hair was realy thin and he was balding alot for a 22yr old.....
He said he just finished and cycle with test and some other gear, didnt realy get the details..


He was askin me what he should do , I couldnt realy give him any advice but to read up and research on finasteride...



But for my own knowlegde im curious, will his hair thicken back / grow back at all??


He said he noticed it coming out in the shower and etc...

 

[maxspeed96ct]

bump, any one got any comments at all for me ?

 

[Cal_21]

I know people use nizoral & nioxin shampoo. Rogain foam was recommended on here. Some even said that HGH helped them regrow a little hair...Other than that finasteride & dutasteride are all I know of. Also maybe try compounds that are less androgenic & avoiding DHT derived steroids. Then again I heard some don't accumulate in the scalp, and are spread more evenly than test...There's my humble 2 cents.

 

[eddymerckx]

I know people use nizoral & nioxin shampoo. Rogain foam was recommended on here. Some even said that human growth hormone - somatropin - helped them regrow a little hair...Other than that finasteride & dutasteride are all I know of. Also maybe try compounds that are less androgenic & avoiding dihydrotestosterone derived steroids. Then again I heard some don't accumulate in the scalp, and are spread more evenly than test...There's my humble 2 cents.

avodart worked miracles but it gave me the test level of a 60 year old--and started to feel gyno---

 

[Cal_21]

avodart worked miracles but it gave me the test level of a 60 year old--and started to feel gynecomastia---

This is why I'm looking into just doing more anabolic compounds and avoiding the androgenic stuff until my hair starts falling out. But I'm all set to do a low dose test cycle (250mg EW). Hopefully that doesn't make me shed.
Not to hijack the thread or anything...lol. Sorry bro. But I did offer up my advice 1st so I feel less bad about it lol.

 

[dal022]

androgenic stuff would be like what winny EQ stuff like that?

 

[Cal_21]

androgenic stuff would be like what Winstrol - stanozolol Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - stuff like that?

I thought EQ wasn't very androgenic?

Proviron, Winnie, Masteron, Tren, Test, D-bol (not sure how androgenic it is but a ton of folks say it makes them shed worse than test)

Sounds like basically all the good stuff lol

I know Deca, Var, T-bol are supposed to be easy on the hairline. I'd assume Eq would be too?

 

[SuperOne]

eddymerckx,

did you get blood work while taking Dutasteride showing low Testosterone?


Can you please share all the details as im very interested.


I took Avodart too, and it made me tired as hell all the time and my face was puffy looking. I even used aromatase inhibitor's and they didnt help at all. it did work really well for me too.


I suspect it may have lowered my test aswell, even though its supposed to raise your testosterone by 20-25%.


Please let me know id appreciate it. I want to use this stuff for hairloss as it works really well, but i want to find out how i can beat these sides first.


Thanks.

 

[eddymerckx]

eddymerckx,

did you get blood work while taking Dutasteride showing low Testosterone?


Can you please share all the details as im very interested.


I took Avodart too, and it made me tired as hell all the time and my face was puffy looking. I even used aromatase inhibitor's and they didnt help at all. it did work really well for me too.


I suspect it may have lowered my test aswell, even though its supposed to raise your testosterone by 20-25%.


Please let me know id appreciate it. I want to use this stuff for hairloss as it works really well, but i want to find out how i can beat these sides first.


Thanks.

I did not get my bloodwork done, but i had all the symptons of low test (mood swings, lethargy, low libido--and I have a hot wife ten years younger than me). I talked to my doc and he said, in a lot of people, that the extra serum test that results from stopping its conversion to dihydrotestosterone is simply not enough to offset the rise in estrogen. Therefore he said many people in their 20s & 30s exhibit symptoms similiar to the average 55-60 yo man. The doc said the bloodwork would be a waste of money b/c he has had so many men report the same thing--which is apparantly why the last stage of clinical trials for its use as a hair loss drug was halted. He said the use of an anti estrogen to stop the sides would cause havoc on my natty test levels--sort of a slow roller coaster.

b/c the avodart app causes hormone problems for up to six months after cease use --as things get back to normal --I decided to do a cycle (in for a penny in for a pound) and hope to feel better--it worked.

I have heard that it works great while on a test cycle w/o the bad sides.

In the end, I decided I would rather be happy, get laid, and not want to sleep all the time than worry about my hairline.

hope that helps bro

 

[Cal_21]

I did not get my bloodwork done, but i had all the symptons of low test (mood swings, lethargy, low libido--and I have a hot wife ten years younger than me). I talked to my doc and he said, in a lot of people, that the extra serum test that results from stopping its conversion to dihydrotestosterone is simply not enough to offset the rise in estrogen. Therefore he said many people in their 20s & 30s exhibit symptoms similiar to the average 55-60 yo man. The doc said the bloodwork would be a waste of money b/c he has had so many men report the same thing--which is apparantly why the last stage of clinical trials for its use as a hair loss drug was halted. He said the use of an anti estrogen to stop the sides would cause havoc on my natty test levels--sort of a slow roller coaster.

b/c the avodart app causes hormone problems for up to six months after cease use --as things get back to normal --I decided to do a cycle (in for a penny in for a pound) and hope to feel better--it worked.

I have heard that it works great while on a test cycle w/o the bad sides.

In the end, I decided I would rather be happy, get laid, and want to sleep all the time than worry about my hairline.

hope that helps bro

Makes me rethink the deca only cycle

 

[eddymerckx]

Makes me rethink the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - only cycle

just stick some proviron and cialis with it and all is ok--even though I am sorta sold on test (but i am 41).

 

[Cal_21]

just stick some proviron and cialis with it and all is ok--even though I am sorta sold on test (but i am 41).

Would proviron make you shed? If So I'd rather go with Test.

If I didn't have to worry about losing my hair my dream cycle (after a few notches under my belt)

would be

750 mg testosterone enanthate/C EW 1-16
Equipoise 600 mg EW 1-16
Anavar 50mg ED wks 1-6
Winstrol 50mg ED Wks 10-16

Or maybe a Sus/trenbolone/winnie cycle
*knees get weak*

sorry again for the thread hijacking lol i'll shoot you some k

 

[holy ghost]

test is addictive >:}

 

[eddymerckx]

test is addictive >:}

yep...test is addictive (and this is my first cycle at 41).

no shed probs w/proviron w/me...but Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is making me shed like a damn sheepdog--and that is w/the shampoo and rogaine.

i would shave my head but its got more lumps and bumps than a discount pumpkin

 

[Cal_21]

yep...test is addictive (and this is my first cycle at 41).

no shed probs w/proviron w/me...but Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is making me shed like a damn sheepdog--and that is w/the shampoo and rogaine.

i would shave my head but its got more lumps and bumps than a discount pumpkin

LOL

 

[SuperOne]

eddy,

Thanks a LOT for that info i appreciate it.


I never thought that using an anti-estrogen while on Dutasteride would further mess up my natural test production, as i thought estrogen was the problem inhibiting natural test production. But it makes sense because i did still feel like shit on Avodart, even when using high doses of AIMF ( ATD ) and i tried Arimidex aswell and only made me feel worse.


After i quit months later i still have some of the sides, so i think i may have shut down my natural test production.


Mabye low dose test 100mg per week and some Derma Sustain would be good to get me back to normal, and even mabye use this indefinetly if i decide to try Avodart or Propecia again to counter act the sides? This shouldnt shut me down right?


Im in my early twenties, so i want to try and save my hair, and beat these sides.


Thanks.

 

[eddymerckx]

i don't know if the derma-stuff will shut-you-down--you may want to talk to needtogetaas /primordialperformance/nelson montana--they appear to have the scoop the derma-stuff.

At your age, I would venture it would set everything right w/o the addition of any test--save that for later!!

i plan to use it as part of my PCT - post cycle therapy - myself.

good luck bro

 

[maxspeed96ct]

i would shave my head but its got more lumps and bumps than a discount pumpkin

haha , id prolly look the same way, so im asking about this ahead of time just in case.....


Whats the best way to taper off finasteride?

DO you only do it while on the gear or continue after the cycle for a period of time ?

 

[-JP-]

I was on Propecia for over a year without any sides at all... It worked great for me... I decided to come off because of the $$$ amount I was spending per month just to use the shit... after a month i started losing a tremendous amount of hair to the point that I had to go back on... Been back on now for about 3 weeks nothing has changed as of right now

 

[maxspeed96ct]

I was on Propecia for over a year without any sides at all... It worked great for me... I decided to come off because of the $$$ amount I was spending per month just to use the shit... after a month i started losing a tremendous amount of hair to the point that I had to go back on... Been back on now for about 3 weeks nothing has changed as of right now

damm so does that mean u gotta stay on it for ever now?

Im only 21 yrs old, but i notice once in a while if i rub my head 3-4 hairs fall out......

I just want to get more fimiliar with this stuff, especialy after seeing my friends hair ....

 

[eddymerckx]

damm so does that mean u gotta stay on it for ever now?

Im only 21 yrs old, but i notice once in a while if i rub my head 3-4 hairs fall out......

I just want to get more fimiliar with this stuff, especialy after seeing my friends hair ....

My doc said that, in most people, propecia does not have the side effects that avodart. Some people use either very effectivley on and off a cycle--i may try proprecia after i am done with pct.

before you have anymore hair loss use rogaine and nizoral so you wont need the stronger and more expensive stuff.

 

[SuperOne]

Thanks for the help Eddy.


Cheers!

 

[-JP-]

I personally felt Rogaine caused way to much hairloss for my likes there is a shedding phase and I discontinued use mostly because of the annoying application foam is a little better... Having said that you will go through a shed phase on all products just depends on to what extent...

I am not sure what to tell you to do because once you start you can not stop most if not everyone will tell you that... it even says it on the bottle... I started losing my hair around 21-22 and started the exact same way 1-5 pieces in the shower and on the pillow... eventually got to a point where it would be more like 10-20... then I actually started noticing my hair thining could see my scalp etc. I had extremely thick hair so it took a while. Finally went on like I said a little over a year ago and I am 25... It really worked well for me keeping what i had and regrowing some... The regrowth was not thick hair like I used to have but thin hair is better then no hair... Once I stopped tons fell out I really mean a ton to the point where family members noticed and others... I have just begun again and not to much has changed other then the shedding is a lot less down to 3-5 hairs in the shower versus over 10 before...

Goodluck bro I know how hard it is to lose the hair... I look like an idiot bald otherwise I would shave it off... if you looked good with a shaved head go for that don't waste your money on this stuff its expensive

 

[Cal_21]

I personally felt Rogaine caused way to much hairloss for my likes there is a shedding phase and I discontinued use mostly because of the annoying application foam is a little better... Having said that you will go through a shed phase on all products just depends on to what extent...

I am not sure what to tell you to do because once you start you can not stop most if not everyone will tell you that... it even says it on the bottle... I started losing my hair around 21-22 and started the exact same way 1-5 pieces in the shower and on the pillow... eventually got to a point where it would be more like 10-20... then I actually started noticing my hair thining could see my scalp etc. I had extremely thick hair so it took a while. Finally went on like I said a little over a year ago and I am 25... It really worked well for me keeping what i had and regrowing some... The regrowth was not thick hair like I used to have but thin hair is better then no hair... Once I stopped tons fell out I really mean a ton to the point where family members noticed and others... I have just begun again and not to much has changed other then the shedding is a lot less down to 3-5 hairs in the shower versus over 10 before...

Goodluck bro I know how hard it is to lose the hair... I look like an idiot bald otherwise I would shave it off... if you looked good with a shaved head go for that don't waste your money on this stuff its expensive

This is starting to scare me, sounds like I might have to stick to more anabolic stuff rather than androgenic. Hopefully I don't get Deca dick...I hope that's temporary. Because losing my sex drive would be worse than my hair...hmmmm

 

[-JP-]

Bro don't get that scared one thing to remember is that its genetic you can't do much about it... the aas only speeds up the process... so there is really not much you can do like i said the best option is shave it if you look aight with a shaved head... I look like an idiot unfortunately

 

[Cal_21]

Bro don't get that scared one thing to remember is that its genetic you can't do much about it... the anabolic androgenic steroids only speeds up the process... so there is really not much you can do like i said the best option is shave it if you look aight with a shaved head... I look like an idiot unfortunately

http://www.thisisamericansoccer.com/archives/goonies_sloth_1024.jpg

a pic of me w/ my head shaved lol

 

[-JP-]

http://www.thisisamericansoccer.com/archives/goonies_sloth_1024.jpg

a pic of me w/ my head shaved lol

HA trust me bro I feel your pain

 

[eddymerckx]

HA trust me bro I feel your pain

For me, after avodart, i expect to be disapointed in anything else--including propecia.

therefore, my vote is for sale to any presidential candidate that will use all the resources of the NIH to find a cure.

pick of me w/shaved head -->

 

[Cal_21]

For me, after avodart, i expect to be disapointed in anything else--including propecia.

therefore, my vote is for sale to any presidential candidate that will use all the resources of the NIH to find a cure.

pick of me w/shaved head -->

oololololol

 

[Guvna]

If using test, use a topical antiandrogen along with a LOW dose of finasteride.



Throw in some Saw Palmetto for good measure (Though its effects are mainly on the prostate).


Your hair will thank you.

Using tren or deca, the above wont work.