Guys, why does STILL hurt????

[Smokescreen]

I've been using Karichi Sust for about 7 months already. But I gave up because I couldn't take the uncomfortable feeling on my glutes. Can't walk right nor sit down and feel fine.

I take it was the prop that was doing that to me because when I take EQ or Tren in the glutes, I do not experiene any uncomfortable feelings like when I inject Sust.

So I switched over to QV Enathate and I still have that feeling in my glute. I injected 1 CC yesterday and today I feel that pain like as if I took a shot of Sust. Why do I feel this? I thought it was the prop doing this. Shit bros, and on bulking cycle I'm going to have to inject 2ccs in the same glute! How the fuck will I deal with the pain???

Just why does it hurt if it doesn't have prop in it??

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

QV Enanthate has always given me pain, it's got to much BA in it. You could try cutting it with sterile oil to reduce the pain.

 

[AMGETR]

All of it hurts for me when it comes to test. I just learn to deal with it, and if people ask why I act funny, I tell them I woke up with a cramp in the ass.

 

[Nucman]

Yep, it's the extra BA they put in it, because they don't use the best sterile techniques.

 

[Lowest]

Get another brand of test and most likely it won't hurt. Sust is the only long-acting test or blend that hurts me, QV cyp and enth, all other enth are painless. Prop of any kind except homebrew hurts though, due to high BA.

 

[tical]

Prop was KILLING my glutes & delts. It was murder getting in and out of my car and I could barely (sometimes couldn't) do split squats and sometimes couldn't even sleep.

Get yourself some steril sesame oil from ibe (10 bucks for 50ml) and add it to your dose. I inject about 1.5cc of prop and 1cc of oil. So 2.5cc's total and I don't have ANY of that pain anymore. It is a little sore from the oil for a few hours but that goes away... the killer pain never comes back though.

Add 1 - 1.5cc of sterile oil to your 2cc shot and give it a go, you'll be good! I forgot who it was that mentioned this to me on the board but much props and many thanks to them. I don't know how much longer I could have went on in that pain.

 

[tical]

200ml prop is way hard on your ass (never tried it but I can imagine)

100ml prop isn't as bad but sometimes I'd randomly get serious pain for days

50ml prop doesn't hurt at all (this is usually pharm grade stuff, and the low dosage per ml is the reason it's painless)

cut your prop accordingly down to about 50-75/ml and you should be floatin!

 

[ViperHMS]

QV Enanthate has always given me pain, it's got to much BA in it. You could try cutting it with sterile oil to reduce the pain.

That is what I would try after every other option I try doesn't work. I'll sometimes warm up the injection by running it under hot water for a few minutes and take a asparin after the shot and put a heating pad on it. Other than that you don't have many options. I'm lucky I guess I can usually adapt to my shots after a few weeks or so. When I started my last Test Ethn cycle it hurt like a bitch to just do 1cc twice a week and now I can do 2cc's in the quads with little pain the next day. Good Luck.

Viper

 

[Smokescreen]

I will not and never had heated up ANY of my gear. I have always feared of degrading my gear with any type of heat, regardless of the temperature. So if the QV test E that I'm using "does not" have prop in it....then you guys say it is the BA? What is BA again? LOL Yeah I'm serious...what is BA? I do not know.

I can't really deal with this pain. Its not as painful as I claim it to be. But it is very uncomfortable and it does hurt when I touch it or sit down. I just really thought that by switching from Sust to Test E, that I wouldn't feel this discomfort. And instead, I can't really tell the difference.

So bottom line...how does this get resolved? Add more oil to my 1 cc shot of Test E? Add 1 cc of oil to my 1cc of Test to total 2ccs?! Thats great! A 1cc shot now becomes 2 ccs! I always end up with a nice fat lump with 2 ccs of oil in 1 shot. So if I want 2 ccs of Test in one glute, I would have to add an additional 2 ccs of oil to now total 4 ccs of oil!!!??? Thats total BS!!

 

[theoak01]

warming in water wont hurt the gear bro,I find if I dont warm it up I get some pain and a lump,also try injecting slower,if I go to fast it hurts.

I have never had to cut gear before,and dont believe in it personally

 

[Lowest]

Bro, if the QV test E is giving you pain, you only have two options. Cut it with oil, maybe only 1/2cc, or get another brand. That's one reason I homebrew everything I use pretty much, nothing is ever painful b/c I control how much BA( benzyl alcohol) is in it. So, use a different brand, or cut it... or you could just use androgel for HRT but I'm guessing that won't solve your cycle problems

 

[Smokescreen]

warming in water wont hurt the gear bro,I find if I dont warm it up I get some pain and a lump,also try injecting slower,if I go to fast it hurts.

I have never had to cut gear before,and dont believe in it personally[/
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Believe me, I went slow. And I always go slow with all my gear. You say to warm it up? What, just let the hot water run and then leave the syringe under the running water? For how long? What temp of water? I'm afraid it will get too hot or not enough hot to prevent this shit from happening again to me.

 

[The Terminator]

You guys are a bunch of wimps,
I am using QV Prop right now eod and it doesnt hurt at all

My guess is your problem is that you have been injecting into the same area for WAY too long (you said 7 months)...Try rotating your injection sites around...You probably still have ALOT oif built up oil in your glutes after THAT long

 

[Smokescreen]

Hey Term!!! Nah man! That can't be the case because I have been using my delts for quite some time. The glutes are all clear and good to go. There is not oil build up. Believe me on this one. BTW...hows everything Term? I hope things are good for you .

 

[TheRide]

You guys are a bunch of wimps,
I am using QV Prop right now eod and it doesnt hurt at all

My guess is your problem is that you have been injecting into the same area for WAY too long (you said 7 months)...Try rotating your injection sites around...You probably still have ALOT oif built up oil in your glutes after THAT long

Ditto... you are probably building up some decent scar tissue as well.

7 months on??? I would deff. take a break.... let your body get back to normal.

 

[Lowest]

yeah yeah termie, well I shot Reforvit-B in my biceps without pain, so there Of course, back in the testolent days I did 2cc's of that eod on one cycle, I couldn't walk very well that whole cycle either!

 

[collegeguyga]

You guys are a bunch of wimps,
I am using QV Prop right now eod and it doesnt hurt at all

My guess is your problem is that you have been injecting into the same area for WAY too long (you said 7 months)...Try rotating your injection sites around...You probably still have ALOT oif built up oil in your glutes after THAT long

Im doing QV Prop 100mg EOD in delts and its only a little sore for a couple of hours after injection. However.. Im doing Sydgroup Winny in the glutes ED 50mg and today.. my injection on my right glute is killing me.. So.. I think its the the area in your Glute.. maybe too close to a nerve..

 

[Smokescreen]

I do not have scar tissue or oil build up. You have my word on that. I've injected Tren ED in the same glute for many weeks and NEVER had pain or lumps! Same thing with EQ. Just take my word please. I do not have oil builld up or scar tissue.

 

[Lowest]

We believe you! Well I do anyway I've done 5cc's in the quad twice a week before, without oil buildup. But one cc of sust in the delt and I can't move that arm for 4 days. It's the BA, simple as that. Which is one reason I don't use sust anymore, that and it's too pricey.

 

[Smokescreen]

Yes, I too blame the BA. Ok, finally how do I solve this damn problem? Add more oil to oil ( which I do not want to do ). Or heat it up ( another thing I do not like to do)????

 

[LVTitan]

Yes, I too blame the BA. Ok, finally how do I solve this damn problem? Add more oil to oil ( which I do not want to do ). Or heat it up ( another thing I do not like to do)????

i've never warmed or diluted any of my injections...i've run 3previous cycles with qv250 and using it now...no pain as long as i rub the shit out it for about 5 good minutes afterward..rub deep really massage it. also i've tried sust and although i didnt have pain, i did get the test flu from it. the only time any real inconvenience from pain is when i've done a 3cc inject in glute. and i'm a small guy 140lbs, you should be able to get away w/2 no prob. not to insult you, but are u using the right area of your glute to inject ? (upper/outer quadrant)

 

[Smokescreen]

I am using that part of the glute and never miss. I have a tiny birth mark that I use as helper to get my shots.

 

[LVTitan]

I am using that part of the glute and never miss. I have a tiny birth mark that I use as helper to get my shots.

thats cute.

 

[The Terminator]

I do not have scar tissue or oil build up. You have my word on that. I've injected Tren ED in the same glute for many weeks and NEVER had pain or lumps! Same thing with EQ. Just take my word please. I do not have oil builld up or scar tissue.

If you have injecting Tren ED in the SAME glute for weeks then you DO have undispersed oil in there that may very well be causing the discomfort...(whether you realize it or not)


I'll tell you what I that seems to work real well for me...(itrs my own top secret, so dont share it with anybody lol...)

Get the pin ready (with oil in it) then hold in in your armpit for 30-60 seconds (until the oil is warmed up and flows smoother threw it)...THEN inject it into the site, followed by deep hard tissue massage for atleast 2 minutes after injection is complete...This is what I do and I have virtually no pain or soreness from either QV Prop OR Karachi Sust...

 

[gregory]

If you have injecting Tren ED in the SAME glute for weeks then you DO have undispersed oil in there that may very well be causing the discomfort...(whether you realize it or not)


I'll tell you what I that seems to work real well for me...(itrs my own top secret, so dont share it with anybody lol...)

Get the pin ready (with oil in it) then hold in in your armpit for 30-60 seconds (until the oil is warmed up and flows smoother threw it)...THEN inject it into the site, followed by deep hard tissue massage for atleast 2 minutes after injection is complete...This is what I do and I have virtually no pain or soreness from either QV Prop OR Karachi Sust...

I learned a very similar method from the original Anabolic Reference guide by Bill phillips.

First i take a hot shower to relax all the muscles. But before i step in i fill the bathroom sink with hot water and put my ampules in it, or bottles (3/4 way) and go for the shower. When i come out the oil is nice and warm with the viscosity of water. It goes in just like water, no pain, no discomfort and just a plain pleasure to work with . And afterwards like the broly above said i do a quick massage of the area by pressing on it quite hard and quickly rubbing it in a back and forth motion. I never had any porblems and i have been using this method right from the very start.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ok...I will try that method then. But for how long should I leave the syringe running under hot water for? One minute is good enough? And you guys say that this won't degrade the gear?

 

[gregory]

Ok...I will try that method then. But for how long should I leave the syringe running under hot water for? One minute is good enough? And you guys say that this won't degrade the gear?

I submerge the whole amoule, not syringe. If you have a bottle then i submerge it 3/4 of the way. I usually leave it there for the duration of my shower 60min errr just joking. 15 minutes is plenty. BTW: the water is not scalding hot, just hot, but not burning hot.

 

[Smokescreen]

I rather just warm up the syringe. So leave it under running hot water for 15minutes????

 

[theoak01]

my qfs prop always has a few crystals in it after a few days of sitting so I drop it in the sink and let it sit in hot water halfway up the vial for about 1-2min,I believe gear is fine up to the 250 degree mark,and in that short time it will do nothing but make it flow smoother

 

[gregory]

I rather just warm up the syringe. So leave it under running hot water for 15minutes????

Naahh 2-3 minutes will be fine. Just make sure you maintain sterility, i don't want you getting any infections. That would screw up your halo 2.

 

[Smokescreen]

I'll give it a try in a little while and let you know either tomorrow night or wednesday.

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

You guys are a bunch of wimps,
I am using QV Prop right now eod and it doesnt hurt at all

My guess is your problem is that you have been injecting into the same area for WAY too long (you said 7 months)...Try rotating your injection sites around...You probably still have ALOT oif built up oil in your glutes after THAT long

I'm gona have to go with Term on this one. If it isn't becoming infected suck it up, what you can do is take a hammer and smash it over your knee and the pain in your ass is a memory. Problem solved!

Or you can get some Omnadren250 which I'm on right now and having no issues other than my personal ones. Good luck

 

[Smokescreen]

I want to not only look good but feel good. Sorry! I got have it all or nothing at all!

 

[Malak]

I didn't think you were suppose to run the syringe directly under water because of bacteria??

 

[Smokescreen]

What bacteria? The water? Its capped anyways. Anywho! I already did what you bros suggested. I took the syringe ( test already in there ) and left it under very warm water for about 3 minutes. I injected really slow and massaged the shit out of my glute. Lets see how I feel in about 24 hours. I'll keep ya posted.

 

[TheRide]

I'm gona have to go with Term on this one. If it isn't becoming infected suck it up, what you can do is take a hammer and smash it over your knee and the pain in your ass is a memory. Problem solved!

 

[planetgambale]

Yes, I too blame the BA. Ok, finally how do I solve this damn problem? Add more oil to oil ( which I do not want to do ). Or heat it up ( another thing I do not like to do)????

Guys, i had the exact problem, i couldnt even sit in a chair i was in a lot of pain. But, what i do definetly cuts the pain to a minimum, but its still a little sore, but nothing compared to what it was. The pain i get now is just part of the fun now. Directly after a shot i massage the area for 10min. and i get a rubber heat pad and put boiling water in it and sit on it till it gets cold, and repeat the process a few times. Another good way if you have a detachable shower head, put the water really hot(gradually warm up to it) and put it on the injection site for as long as you can. I generally do a half hour and then follow up with the heat pad. hope this works for you guys.

 

[Smokescreen]

Fuck this shit! I work to goddamn hard for to many hours for this cheap shit! I'm very busy and always in a hurry. Shit imagine! I only get around 4 hours of sleep per day on the weekdays. I do not have fucking time to heatup this and heatup that and massage this and blah, blah blah. I know you guys are trying to help me and I appreciate it. But to hell with this crap! I'm in too much discomfort and I have a fever now of 101.

I always hated Mexican gear. Come on bros! Its from fucking Mexico for crying out loud! Mexico!!!!! I'm getting my money back for this shit. I rather dish out more money knowing I'm going to get cleaner, more sterile, more potent HUMAN GRADE gear than this Mexican animal shit!

 

[The Terminator]

I always hated Mexican gear. Come on bros! Its from fucking Mexico for crying out loud! Mexico!!!!! I'm getting my money back for this shit. I rather dish out more money knowing I'm going to get cleaner, more sterile, more potent HUMAN GRADE gear than this Mexican animal shit!

Didnt you say that the Karachi Sust gave you the same problem...?
Its NOT the Mexi gear (not QV anyway)...Brovel and Tornel maybe

I dont know I never get any problems from even QV Prop (which I am currrently on EOD)

I'm telling you ROTATE YOUR INJECTION SITES MORE (Dont just hit the glutes over and over...Use pecs, delts, tri, quads, etc...), and HOLD IT UNDER YOUR ARMPIT FOR JUST LIKE 30-60 SECONDS BEFORE INJECTION, that's all it takes

 

[Smokescreen]

Term...how about I inject into my shoulder? If its not the glutes or legs then I hit the shoulders. But if I got this major pain in my ass, could I get that same major pain in my shoulder? If so that would be fucking unbearable don't you think? You say to put in the underarm? I already left that shit under hot water! I think that is better and higher temperature than in the armpit. Don't you think?

 

[The Terminator]

Term...how about I inject into my shoulder? If its not the glutes or legs then I hit the shoulders. But if I got this major pain in my ass, could I get that same major pain in my shoulder? If so that would be fucking unbearable don't you think? You say to put in the underarm? I already left that shit under hot water! I think that is better and higher temperature than in the armpit. Don't you think?

Jut ROTATE your injection areas as much as possible, and as long as you are just taking it out of the warm water thne injecting right away it will be as good (or bettter ) than the armpit...
The armpit is an old trick we used to use to warm up surfboard wax before applying to our boards back in the day

 

[Smokescreen]

I will try in the shoulder this Friday. I haven't either shoulder in about 2 weeks.

 

[LVTitan]

Term...how about I inject into my shoulder? If its not the glutes or legs then I hit the shoulders. But if I got this major pain in my ass, could I get that same major pain in my shoulder? If so that would be fucking unbearable don't you think? You say to put in the underarm? I already left that shit under hot water! I think that is better and higher temperature than in the armpit. Don't you think?

you guys sound like a bunch of fucking girls...jezzus...stick the needle in and push the plunger, rub the mother fucker for 5 minutes, work out that muscle group that day if possible, sterilize everything first w/alcohol. yes it hurts, they all hurt, maybe u ladies have a low threshold....im just bustin your nuts...dont throw rocks back.

 

[flacracker88]

dont know if this works for everyone..but for me getting the old lady to massage inj site for 20 mins or so helps me alot and as painful as it gets sometimes i try to keep moving the muscle as much as possible...give it a shot...what can it hurt....lol

 

[The Terminator]

dont know if this works for everyone..but for me getting the old lady to massage inj site for 20 mins or so helps me alot

LMFAO, if you can get your woman to massage you ANYWHERE for 20 minutes straight marry her...
I cant even get them to stay at my house for 20 minutes after we fuck (they always have get home before their boyfriend or husband gets back )

 

[Lowest]

If it hurts that much, just try and find a brand that doesn't hurt. UG labs and/or homebrew are usually the best for that b/c they control their BA content. Pharm-grade gear usually has high BA to make SURE it's sterile so it's all safe and legal... but we don't care about legality, so as long as it's enough BA to be sterile, it's gold

 

[gregory]

i think you got that reversed bro.