Gun Nuts: Idea -- Let's Get Serious Here

[mrplunkey]

Pure Hypothetical... Nobody get their panties in a wad plz.

I don't know that much about FFLs and all the issues around making gun parts. I've known a few people who did machining on parts, and I do know you can't just make stuff and use/sell it.

But what about this?

1) Is it illegal to make a rifled barrel? Not a gun... not even a firing mechanism. Just a high quality barrel with rifling.

2) What if you sold the barrel, along with all the 3D models necessary to make a high performance full automatic weapon? Would the models alone be illegal? Is that some sort of conspiracy?

3) I figure you could make the critical parts from metal. And the 3D models could be designed for manufacturability (i.e. easy to fixture, minimum setups, friendly tolerances).

4) The rest of the parts could be 3D printed. With the wide availability of 3D printers now, all the support parts (i.e. stock) could be printed in ABS.

So would that be legal? Would it be some sort of conspiracy? I figure you could sell the barrel and 3D models as a kit for a couple hundred dollars.

 

[Soulthief]

There is a guy in Montana doing this. He's making non functional gun parts that have to be "finished" to create a fully functioning machine gun. He says he is just selling useless pieces of metal.

He said he knew he was being watched when helicopters and black SUV's arrived at his ranch. LOL He is still currently producing. The FED's are still just monitoring him.

 

[PICK3]

Nobody get their panties in a wad plz.

too late, mine are already bunged up

 

[mrplunkey]

I have that effect on a lot of people.

 

[mrplunkey]

There is a guy in Montana doing this. He's making non functional gun parts that have to be "finished" to create a fully functioning machine gun. He says he is just selling useless pieces of metal.

He said he knew he was being watched when helicopters and black SUV's arrived at his ranch. LOL He is still currently producing. The FED's are still just monitoring him.

That's another great idea. Order the castings and let the end user finish them.

 

[Soulthief]

The end user has to still make slight adjustments and even supply parts like the firing pin. I believe it won't even except one in its semi finished state.

He's basically leaving the liability and legality up the the end user. He's just selling high dollar paper weights. Smart guy in my book.

 

[mrplunkey]

The end user has to still make slight adjustments and even supply parts like the firing pin. I believe it won't even except one in its semi finished state.

He's basically leaving the liability and legality up the the end user. He's just selling high dollar paper weights. Smart guy in my book.

He's definitely on to something.

I wonder if all the metal parts (except the barrel) could be designed to be machined on a single piece of steel. So you'd machine the front side of the parts from the rectangular blank. Then you'd machine the fixture to attach the front side parts. Then attach those connected parts to the fixture and machine all the pieces free. I do that in my basement all the time.

I'd bet you could do the whole thing in less than an hour per side. Then 3D print the less critical parts and you're done.

 

[Y_lifter]

If the gun you are making is legal for you to own in your state, and you can legally own a gun,
ATF laws say you can make it for personal use but not for resale without an FFL.

Plus you also need to pay a federal NFA tax on the weapon you build.

Bottom line, its much cheaper and safer to buy one from a manufacturer.
Anyone making a weapon probably can't buy one legally, which may be why they get the scrutiny from ATF

 

[mrplunkey]

If the gun you are making is legal for you to own in your state, and you can legally own a gun,
ATF laws say you can make it for personal use but not for resale without an FFL.

Plus you also need to pay a federal NFA tax on the weapon you build.

Bottom line, its much cheaper and safer to buy one from a manufacturer.
Anyone making a weapon probably can't buy one legally, which may be why they get the scrutiny from ATF

I'm pretty sure you can't even make a gun for your own personal use without some level of FFL.

And I'm also pretty sure that making a full automatic is illegal, even if you do it 100% yourself and assemble it.

And even with those bold statements, I freely admit I don't understand the details. A friend of mine used to make a receiver for a perfectly legal production rifle (he only made one part) and was forced to get an FFL and was routinely audited.

 

[-SD-]

Its all illegal and youre going to fucking jail and Im calling Eric Holder and Obama right now

 

[mrplunkey]

Its all illegal and youre going to fucking jail and Im calling Eric Holder and Obama right now

Yeah, but I'll just make a campaign contribution and they'll prosecute you as the leak!

You're so fucked.

 

[-SD-]

Fuuuuuuck!!!!

Im calling Focks News gutdamn it!

 

[wootoom]

Men in tights

 

[Soulthief]

I'm trying to find the guys name in Montana that is doing this. I saw it on "How the States Got Their Shapes".

I'll post up a link if I can find the video.

 

[mrplunkey]

Fuuuuuuck!!!!

Im calling Focks News gutdamn it!

Won't help bor. Holder already has your Verizon bills and your Hushmail account.

You'll be biting pillows in Supermax before Independence Day.

He had no choice, it's our only way to prevent the terrorists from winning.

#BushOnSteroids

 

[zwhit]

that was just another non-scandal

 

[mrplunkey]

I like how they monitor hundreds of millions of Americans e-mail accounts, but then use their own private non-gubment accounts to do business behind the scenes.

That's just frigging awesome. I really want to be part of the political class. That's got to be mad bank.

 

[bigbassturd]

Guns are for pussy boys who need to feel emasculated

 

[WoodyO]

The only part of a gun that requires an FFL to manufacture or sell is whatever part has the serial number. On AR's it's the lower receiver. On AK's it's the receiver. Most rifles it's the barrel and most handguns are the frame. Everything else is just parts and it's perfectly legal to make and sell.

You also need to make sue you are 922r compliant in that you have 51% American made parts.

I work in the RP and additive manufacturing industry and I make gun parts, 80% receivers and FDM parts all the time. My only concern is ITAR compliance. What my customers do is of no concern to me.

 

[wootoom]

Guns are for pussy boys who need to feel emasculated

i like using bullets

 

[mrplunkey]

The only part of a gun that requires an FFL to manufacture or sell is whatever part has the serial number. On AR's it's the lower receiver. On AK's it's the receiver. Most rifles it's the barrel and most handguns are the frame. Everything else is just parts and it's perfectly legal to make and sell.

You also need to make sue you are 922r compliant in that you have 51% American made parts.

I work in the RP and additive manufacturing industry and I make gun parts, 80% receivers and FDM parts all the time. My only concern is ITAR compliance. What my customers do is of no concern to me.

That's it -- the guy I knew was machining the receiver. I bet it was where the serial number was located, hence the FFL issues.

So if someone bought an off-the-shelf barrel that had an FFL serial number, I could make/print all the other parts myself? What if the weapon I made was a full automatic? Is that illegal? (I'd think it is).

I'm pretty sure I'd have to buy/use an FFL to transfer it, but the person making it would be doing it for personal use.

 

[WoodyO]

In order to have a full auto weapon you must have paid for a class III tax stamp. It only cost around $200 to apply for one.

Laws vary from state-to-state, but yes, you should be able to purchase whatever component has the serial number then manufacture the rest yourself, as long as you don't build it up into a style of weapon that may be banned in your particular state.

Also, say you went to a gun show and bought an AK parts kit, took it home, cleaned it and built it into a full functioning AK - then you'd need to make sure you swap out 51% of the foreign parts to make it 922r compliant. For an AK, the receiver is the part with the serial number, but since you are buying a kit, the receiver is cut in half. You can buy a receiver flat and build your own jig to shape it, weld in the rails, punch the rivets yourself and assemble the rifle all in your own garage. You can legally sell this weapon without an FFL, however you are required to make up a serial number and put it on the receiver. It can be anything like Plunkey001.

 

[Dial_tone]

Am I not selling cars if I sell them without a gas pedal or brakes?

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[bigbassturd]

Dial tone what do you think about 'personal use' marijuana?

 

[-SD-]

Dial tone what do you think about 'personal use' marijuana?

Or personal use steroids

 

[bigbassturd]

teh DEA knows all

 

[Soulthief]

Am I not selling cars if I sell them without a gas pedal or brakes?

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You can still drive a car, slowly, without them. It still functions. If you have an unfinished piece of metal for a gun you're just "that guy" that is pointing it at people yelling "bang, bang!"

 

[-SD-]

teh DEA knows all

Teh DEA will fly a choppah into your backyard

 

[bigbassturd]

Knot for long lol

 

[bigbassturd]

Teh DEA will fly a choppah into your backyard

real talk

 

[-SD-]

They need more constitutionalitings

 

[bigbassturd]

I'm still pissed

 

[-SD-]

Can i pump action?

 

[wootoom]

im hanging out at my treehouse in the middle of the ocean...people are hanging everywhere here

 

[-SD-]

I need resin, my boats taking on water and a couple of bishes