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Grapefruit Juice and oral steroids

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We have all gotten medication from the pharmacy at one time or another. How many of us read the warning? Even more so how many of us read the little pamphlet that on drug interactions they give you with the medication. You know the little folded up peace of paper with thousands of tiny words.

Well Of course I am write lolol.. Every time i read one there is something that sticks out to me. Almost all of them always say " do not consume with grapefruit juice do to harmful interactions" or something along these lines. Some medications it interacts so much that they find it important to put this directly on the bottle.

So of course this got me thinking why? How does Grapefruit juice effect medication?

So I did some research and I found out as always.

A enzymes in the liver called CYP3A4 and CYP1A2 are responsible for the rake down of many things "including medications. They even does the job of braking down mythelation and or other oral steroids as well. A sabstance in grapefruit juice known as "Naringin" HAs been medically proven to brake down both the CYP3A4 and CYP1A2 enzymes in the liver.

CYP3A4
YP3A4 is a member of the cytochrome P450 superfamily of enzymes. The cytochrome P450 proteins are monooxygenases which catalyze many reactions involved in drug metabolism and synthesis of cholesterol, steroids and other lipids. This protein localizes to the
endoplasmic reticulum
Endoplasmic_reticulum Endoplasmic_reticulum
and its expression is induced by
glucocorticoids
Glucocorticoid Glucocorticoid
and some pharmacological agents. This enzyme is involved in the metabolism of approximately half the drugs which are used today, including acetaminophen, codeine, cyclosporin A, diazepam and erythromycin. The enzyme also metabolizes some steroids and carcinogens.[3]

Ingestion of naringin and related flavonoids can also affect the intestinal absorption of certain drugs, leading to increase circulating drug levels.

The discovery that grapefruit juice can increase the oral availability of some medications was an accidental discovery made when grapefruit juice was used to mask the taste of ethanol in a study involving the calcium channel blocker felodipine. Since then, more different drugs have shown to enhance oral availability when consumed with grapefruit juice. Most of the drugs affected by grapefruit juice have highly variable oral bioavailability. In addition, most of these drugs are chiefly metabolized in the body by CYP3A4, an enzyme present in the liver and intestine.
The major effect of grapefruit juice appears to reduce “first-pass” metabolism by reducing CYP3A4 activity.

As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine but to some degree within the liver

After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression. Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours. The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bioavailability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.

Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice/–naringin drug interactions. An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice,and naringin extracts so caution should be exercised with ALL. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect. A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.

There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability. The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.

What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports, it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.


One of the things I found most interesting is when you look for a list of drugs effected by grapefruit juice every known list has "dbol" on this list of drugs effected by grapefruit juice. This means that dbol is Highly effected by the CYP3A4 pathway! and i suspect that many other oral drugs also do go by route of CYP3A4 pathway.

Also a drug known as Cyprotraine a anti androgen/dht, is metabolized by the
CYP3A4
CYP3A4 CYP3A4
enzyme, forming the active metabolite 15β-hydroxycyproterone acetate, which retains its antiandrogen activity, but has reduced progestational activity. Cyproterone acetate increases production of CYP3A4.


Dutasteride and SERMs are also metabolized by the CYP3A4 enzyme.


And lastly here is another list of drugs effected my the p450 enzyme system .


Statins (Cholesterol Lowering Drugs):
-Baycol (Cerivastatin)
-Mevacor (Lovastatin)
-Lipitor (Atorvastatin)
-Zocor (Simvastatin)

Antihistamines:
-Ebastine
-Seldane (Terfenadine, taken off the U.S. market)

Calcium Channel Blockers (Blood Pressure Drugs):
-Nimotop (Nimodipine)
-Nitrendipine
-Plendil (Felodipine)
-Pranidipine
-Sular (Nisoldipine)

Psychiatric Medications:
-Buspar (Buspirone)
-Halcion (Triazolam)
-Tegretol (Carbamazepine)
-Valium (Diazepam)
-Versed (Midazolam)

Intestinal Medications:
-Propulsid (Cisapride, taken off the U.S. market)

Immune Suppressants:
-Neoral (Cyclosporine)
-Prograf (Tacrolimus)

Pain Medications:
-Methadone

Impotence Drug:
-Viagra (Sildenafil)

Miscellaneous

-Losartan (Angiotensin II receptor blocker - ARB) - Grapefruit juice inhibits the body's ability to absorb the drug.
-Digoxin (for treating congestive heart failure) - Grapefruit juice inhibits the body's ability to absorb the drug.


Simple put many oral steroids are greatly enhanced by grapefruit juice or the extract naringin.
 
old news. But those last two drugs examples could make a case for the opposite because its directly affecting drug absorbtion, whereas p450 enzyme inhibition is just stopping it from being cleared from the body.
 
Nice

Brad
 
old news. But those last two drugs examples could make a case for the opposite because its directly affecting drug absorbtion, whereas p450 enzyme inhibition is just stopping it from being cleared from the body.

Old news is always repeated though. Have to make sure new peeps get a chance to read shit ya know. And I bring plenty of new news too so chill out
 
Good info worth posting,thanks for taking the time to research that needto ....before reading that i thought the whole grapefruit thing was a mixture of myth and bro-science.:flylicker
 
old news. But those last two drugs examples could make a case for the opposite because its directly affecting drug absorbtion, whereas p450 enzyme inhibition is just stopping it from being cleared from the body.

5 posts and that's what you have to contribute?
 
you should add Naringin to beastdrol and the other ones Needto :)

what you think?

I opted for tclc because this also helps with first pass and it also up regulates the androgen receptor. Granted it is not "as good" as Naringin is at helping more of the drug pass. However I wanted my products to be on the safer side.

I mean you already have people taking them that shouldn't be. I wish that were not so but some times its out of my control. Just imagine this.

When I was selling the products I got me a few scary stories of real dumb asses talking the products. I had one guy call me and explain to me how he was taking 6 beastdrol a day!!
Holy mother of god wtf was the guy thinking?
Good thing he called me about 2-3 days into the cycle with " I am feeling lethargic whats the problem?" So i could tell him what a complete meat head he was.

I had another guy call me yelling and screaming about how his 17 year old son had been stealing his credit card and using it to buy products from me. Now see thats some bullshit right there. It ain't my fault you cant watch your kids and you suck at life.. Still I emailed this man a complete order history of what his son had ordered. Then I worked with this man and called his son for him. I played a trick :evil: spoke to the kid for a long time and got him to tell me all about how and where he was hiding the shit from his old man. Then called his dad and told him where the shit was at lololol...

I knew for a fact I was not going to be able to completely control where the products end up. So it was best to play it on the safe side.
 
Old news is always repeated though. Have to make sure new peeps get a chance to read shit ya know. And I bring plenty of new news too so chill out

i'm glad you posted this. i have a grapefruit tree in my backyard and this is valuable info for me personally.

some people have nothing better to do then spend their lives on internet forums trying to antagonize others. don't let the haters piss you off on here, keep up the good work.
 
i'm glad you posted this. i have a grapefruit tree in my backyard and this is valuable info for me personally.

some people have nothing better to do then spend their lives on internet forums trying to antagonize others. don't let the haters piss you off on here, keep up the good work.

O I never do, I hold the power to make him or anyone go away if i want anyway. Just knowing that gives me comfort enough to say fuck it. If he gets to much of a pain in my ass then we wont be seeing him again. :D:D:D
 
I remember a diet fad was the Grapefruit45 plan where thats all you eat and according to the commercial suppresses your appetite and you lose weight .... Never knew in increases the absortion and potency of orals? Thanks NeedTo might try it for a week or 2 and see if I notice a difference ..... Cbodd
 
not too sure but i think i remember reading on muscletech and fitness website that grapefruit can actually raise your estrogen levels while other foods like broccoli can lower them a litle anyone know for sure?
 
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not too sure but i think i remember reading on muscletech and fitness website that grapefruit can actually raise your estrogen levels while other foods like broccoli can lower them a litle anyone know for sure?

dont remember where I read or watched it but I know brocolli kills your libido and blueberries boosts it.

and from personal experience i can confirm both.
 
Is there a certain time of day you should drink grapefruit juice or take Naringin? Would it be beneficial to take it with every dose, pre-workout, or in the morning?
 
Is there a certain time of day you should drink grapefruit juice or take Naringin? Would it be beneficial to take it with every dose, pre-workout, or in the morning?

No studies have shwon that even when taken in the morning and the drug is taken hours later it still has the exact same effect. Pretty cool shit if you ask me.
 
ahhh crap.. i happen to like brocolli, and blueberries are expensive here.

:mad::(

did some googling and brocolli may not be as bad as i thought. it might actually give a boost afterall by reducing estrogen.

but blueberries clear out your arteries and get your blood flowing which gives you a viagra like effect "blue pill anyone?" i read that old people in FL heard about this and they cleared out a couple supermarkets down here lol.


 
I am looking into taking Grapefruit Juice with S4. Have been trying to do research between that and piperine. Needto, thanks for the informative posts, and do you have any insight or experience with either.
 
I am looking into taking Grapefruit Juice with S4. Have been trying to do research between that and piperine. Needto, thanks for the informative posts, and do you have any insight or experience with either.

I know a place where you can combine your own ingredients to make your own supplement and only order 1 bottle if you like. So you could make a supplement with both of this and also some tclc and be golden
 
I know a place where you can combine your own ingredients to make your own supplement and only order 1 bottle if you like. So you could make a supplement with both of this and also some tclc and be golden

Needto, I appreciate the offer, but I prefer to buy powders in bulk and self cap them to save $$$. What did you mean by TCLC?
 
I feel like this is a good idea in theory but Idk about in reality.

1. You don't know how much it actually effects the dosage..turning 20mg of Beast into 30-35 isn't exactly good when you think you might only be getting the effect of an extra 5mg instead of 10-15mg.

2. What if you don't drink the same exact amount of Grapefruit juice per day? Won't this be the same as taking lets say 20mg beast one day, 17mg the next, 34mg the next, 24mg the next...you get the idea.

I mean it sounds great but it seems a little risky. And i'm not knocking people who do it or anything and thanks for posting the link. Made sure I posted this little disclaimer before everyone and their grandma jumps on me for this post lol.

I do have to say though, if there was a way to estimate the effects (example. 40mg of Var + GF juice = 60mg effects), this would be a pretty sick way to save some money and get more results per mg.
 
either way I was/am going to take 30mg aday of beast. If the grapefruit thing works great, if not oh well I like grapefruit juice. Also I don't there would be a way to tell if the grapefruit juice is helping or not. Not like I'm going to go in and get my levels check to see how much is in my system lol.
 
i forgot about this thread until i read another study on grapefruit juice.

i just cant figure this one out. if you drink the grapefruit juice, you absorb more of w.e youre taking, but does this put more stress on your liver and kidneys?? i would assume so but not too sure
 
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