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infraredline
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As long as your source is legit then they are good to go
Reps For Jesus
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6 months ago they were good to go.
Now. shit gear. I'd stay away from it. If you don't already have it, I'd look for another lab.
Now. shit gear. I'd stay away from it. If you don't already have it, I'd look for another lab.
SPFROG241
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Thanks guys. I checked the GP website and it says my supplier is a legit distributer so I suppose I am good.
For a 6 week cycle of either of these (only running one, and weather it be var or win it will be solo w/o test)... Should 4 weeks PCT 50/50/25/25 clomid be good to go?
I am scared shitless about gyno.
For a 6 week cycle of either of these (only running one, and weather it be var or win it will be solo w/o test)... Should 4 weeks PCT 50/50/25/25 clomid be good to go?
I am scared shitless about gyno.
infraredline
Banned
I would do clomid 25/25/25/25 along with post cycle and unleashed. You will need to order an Ai to run on cycle and in pct, formastanzol is a good one for winny or var.
SPFROG241
New member
SHIT!!! I just ordered everything from them. VAR/WIN were the big ones. If you get time will you chime in on my post on the VAR/WIN oral cycle. You always put out good info and I respect what you have to say. Thanks bro.
ps.
I shit canned the 2 orals and am trying to decide which one to take, also looking for help with my PCT and if I'll need an AI while on cycle.
Reps For Jesus
Banned
Their orals are known to be better than their oils. But things have been going steady down hill with them.
As far as your cycle, it really depends on your goals. I would just run one or the other, not both at the same time. Anavar would be good for strength and lean muscle gains. Winstrol would be great for strength and vascularity and hardness. Which ever one you decide to run, I'd go them between 60-80mg per day, for 6-8 weeks.
I am going to give you a theoretical stack that would be like running them both, but less toxic. You could run the Var stacked with SARMS, especially S-4. S-4 is very comparable to Winstrol.. with lean gains, dryness, and added vascularity. Then whether you are trying to bulk or cut.. or just recomp, you could add GW-50 to it to really maximize your cycle. I am bulking with GW right now, and it has really helped me stay lean with hardly any fat gain. If you were trying to cut, it would help melt the extra fat off. It's a win-win for whatever you are trying to accomplish. SARMS1 has buy 2 get 1 free right now on both S-4 and GW-50. If you decided to run these on your cylce.. you would not be disappointed.
Here are a couple articles about what I was referring too.
Andarine (S-4) - Evolutionary.org
S-4 (Andarine) ? a comparison to Winstrol - Evolutionary.org
GW-501516 Facts - Evolutionary.org
GW-501516 (Cardarine) with your cycle - Evolutionary.org
I don't think you will need an AI on cycle, because none of the compounds you propose using convert to estrogen. I would recommend having one for PCT though, because estrogen can rebound. Aromasin or Liquidex from n2bm are your best bets for this.
Make sure you are protecting yourself with the orals. Var is known for being less toxic than other orals.. but it is still toxic. N2Guard would be a must.. it is the best cycle support supplement you can get your hands on. It is well worth the price.
Anavar, or any other compound that doesn't convert to estrogen can lead to libido issues.. because your estrogen will get too low. That is why you usually here people say to use a test base. Another good option for a test base would be HCGenerate. It was designed to limit shutdown on cycle, and help with libido issues that may occur on cycle, and PCT. I'd start it a few weeks into cycle and in PCT.
This is what the entire thing would look like..
CYCLE:
1-8 Anavar, 60-80mg/day
1-8 S-4, 50-75mg/day
1-8 GW-50, 20mg/day
1-8 N2Guard
5-8 HCGenerate
PCT:
9-12 Clomid, 50/50/25/25
9-12 Liquidex, 2ml/day
9-12 GW-50, 20mg/day
9-12 HCGenerate
9-14 PF Unleashed
9-14 D-AA
You wouldn't be disappointed with a stack like this.
As far as your cycle, it really depends on your goals. I would just run one or the other, not both at the same time. Anavar would be good for strength and lean muscle gains. Winstrol would be great for strength and vascularity and hardness. Which ever one you decide to run, I'd go them between 60-80mg per day, for 6-8 weeks.
I am going to give you a theoretical stack that would be like running them both, but less toxic. You could run the Var stacked with SARMS, especially S-4. S-4 is very comparable to Winstrol.. with lean gains, dryness, and added vascularity. Then whether you are trying to bulk or cut.. or just recomp, you could add GW-50 to it to really maximize your cycle. I am bulking with GW right now, and it has really helped me stay lean with hardly any fat gain. If you were trying to cut, it would help melt the extra fat off. It's a win-win for whatever you are trying to accomplish. SARMS1 has buy 2 get 1 free right now on both S-4 and GW-50. If you decided to run these on your cylce.. you would not be disappointed.
Here are a couple articles about what I was referring too.
Andarine (S-4) - Evolutionary.org
S-4 (Andarine) ? a comparison to Winstrol - Evolutionary.org
GW-501516 Facts - Evolutionary.org
GW-501516 (Cardarine) with your cycle - Evolutionary.org
I don't think you will need an AI on cycle, because none of the compounds you propose using convert to estrogen. I would recommend having one for PCT though, because estrogen can rebound. Aromasin or Liquidex from n2bm are your best bets for this.
Make sure you are protecting yourself with the orals. Var is known for being less toxic than other orals.. but it is still toxic. N2Guard would be a must.. it is the best cycle support supplement you can get your hands on. It is well worth the price.
Anavar, or any other compound that doesn't convert to estrogen can lead to libido issues.. because your estrogen will get too low. That is why you usually here people say to use a test base. Another good option for a test base would be HCGenerate. It was designed to limit shutdown on cycle, and help with libido issues that may occur on cycle, and PCT. I'd start it a few weeks into cycle and in PCT.
This is what the entire thing would look like..
CYCLE:
1-8 Anavar, 60-80mg/day
1-8 S-4, 50-75mg/day
1-8 GW-50, 20mg/day
1-8 N2Guard
5-8 HCGenerate
PCT:
9-12 Clomid, 50/50/25/25
9-12 Liquidex, 2ml/day
9-12 GW-50, 20mg/day
9-12 HCGenerate
9-14 PF Unleashed
9-14 D-AA
You wouldn't be disappointed with a stack like this.
just send me a pm, if you have problems with legit gear in the future before ordering.Im here to help the good members.
Pretty good chance your supplier is also the manufacturer, so that little verification doesn't mean squat.
Like Reps said, GP quality has gone downhill lately. If you didn't already buy it...don't buy it. Why take a fucking chance just because it's a little cheaper? If it turns out to be junk or under dosed then it wasn't really cheaper.
SPFROG241
New member
I had the money in their system and had bought it before I received the feedback. Everything I have read says they are good to go, but now looking back... Most of the shit I was reading is a year or more old. I only know of 2 sources and this was the most expensive so I went with this one. I sent a PM to you. If you could help me out that would be great. Either way thanks for the heads up.
SPFROG241
New member
I've read all the material you put in the post. Ordered most all of it, still looking into more of the SARMS stuff. Also... I'm shit canning all the GP stuff. I'm already paranoid enough with this being my first cycle of anything and I'll be damned if I'm going to put some shit in my body that isn't top notch. Funny enough everyone seems to have named the same brands that I PM'd on here. And I will be making another order from that brand. Thanks to all of you!!!
Read that a lot of these "anavar" doses are not anavar at all but Dbol and users are getting gyno from it. That scares the living shit out of me.
The other thing I'm not to keen on is the loss of libido that I am hearing from both of these. How much is 50mg's going to lower it and is the HCSgenerate from NTBM going to keep my libido up?
If I change to the win would I run same cycle as you recommended and just switch the Var out with the Win? Any extra precautions/supps for my joints if I go the win route.
Guys... I can't thank you enough for helping a "new guy" out with all this stuff. So many people on here give the bullshit one word one sentence response, or simply have no clue what the hell they are talking about. Everyone has to start somewhere and it's nice to interact with some folks that remember what it was like starting out. So props to all of you!!! THANK YOU FOR THE HELP!!!!
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SPFROG241
New member
How is your libido on it? Are you running it solo or with test? Thanks dude.
did you see that black as night tren GP put out a while back?
There's pics of it here in gear pics forum. Naps tried to tell everybody it was fine, and to go ahead and pin it. Shit was so black it stained the clear glass vials, brown.
After nobody would pin it and people kept complaining, naps said they would replace it (right thing to do). Not sure if they ever replaced any of it. The bro that posted the pic here finally gave up after like 4 months.
And they should own the fuck up to it too. Not try to get people to use it and tell them it's all good. I can't even believe they distributed that shit. Where's the QC?
I used to have a lot of respect for them.
I've used some very good GP gear. Of course I also had some GP letro that I really needed to be good, that may as well have been chalk. I don't know what it was, but it sure as shit wasn't letro.
Reps For Jesus
Banned
Geneza Sucks. Plain and simple, no reason to defend them.
Again, I am sure there is proof of this "sucking".
In the past I have used several good things from GP, and a couple of things that weren't good. More good than bad. And their "distribution branch" has always treated me and everyone else I knew of very well. Unfortunately that seems to have changed lately.
Plus GP needs to fire whoever is doing QC at the end of their lines.
Plus GP needs to fire whoever is doing QC at the end of their lines.
