Good That Has Come From The Busts

[Nelson Montana]

Okay, now that everybody has licked their wounds, cursed out the government, found hiding places for all their gear and/or swear to never use steroids again, and realize they're not going to get a S.W.A.T team breaking in their door at 2:30 am to confiscate that bottle of E..Q and fourteen dball tabs you have left over from your last cycle , there are some things to consider that may actually prove positive.

UG labs may seem like a great thing but if this fiasco proves anything, it proves how risky they are in more ways than one. Think about it. These are people who are trying to replicate sanitary conditions in their basement. They're selling to strangers via internet connections. They're dealing with schedule 111 substances, often along with narcotics and other drugs. How stupid do you think the feds are that they can't track them down? All it took was a little detective work and I must say, they did it in grand fashion -- busting in on 52 of them at the same time. That is epic. Then again, they're guys in their basements! This ain't the mob. This ain't Osama Bin Laden. Guys in their basements. Of course they got pinched.

IF...and I say IF...you wanted (hypothetically) to get steroids, get them from places that actually make them legally. That means countries that manufacture and distribute them within the guidlines of the law. Sure, it has to go through customs and they may get stopped. That's the risk you take. But 99.99% of the time, they'll just get confiscated if the amount is under $500 worth. Treat it as a cheap lesson. (Hypothetically of course).

Better yet, use a remailer. Then it won't even go directly to you. Someone else gets it and send it to you so the MAILING becomes domestic. Can you still get caught? Fuck yeah! But you're cutting down your risks considerably and in the end...the feds don't really care about you're doing an 8 week cycle of some dball. They want businesses that don't pay taxes! They MUST be busted.

And in the end, you're probably better off than buying shit from some kid brewing it up in his kitchen sink -- who once the cops start to lean on him will give out your name and address faster than you'd drop your pants if Paris Hilton told you said she needed to suck some shank NOW.

So all in all, it's not so bad. It means everyone has to be a little more careful. A little more smart. A little more judicious. Maybe guys will try to make a small amount of gear last and learn to improve gains with better training and proper use of supplements. And it insures that everyone stays away from those who are just a little too sloppy in the way they conduct business.

It's all good.

 

[jaybois]

Good post,seems to me there needs to be more postive threads like this around here.

 

[wellbilt]

you do make some good points my man

 

[all the whey]

Hopefully, more people will start doing shorter, simpler and maybe even less cycles. Not taking a chance of ordering large quantities, or different steroids from different sources.

I am going to 6 week testosterone propionate cycles. Maybe a little Anavar - oxandrolone - in the summer.

It is definately safer for ordering and amount of steroids in possession.

Also, it will be safer on our health than the 20wk t e st, d bol, tre n, win ny, bo ld, etc cycles bros are doing. Shit most of us are not comtetitors!!!!!!!!#$#$ (yes I know about h c g)

 

[Slyder190]

Nelson, you make it seem like the feds won't bother with a source selling human grade gear. I hear ya about the high risks with UG labs. Not for nothin, but UGL gear is so much easier to come by. IMO anyway, as I don't know many spots to get Human Grade gear. If the feds are around the boards and around the ongoings of the memebers, at some point they're gonna come across a source selling human grade as well. And they will look to bust that person. UG labs have been gettin busted at an alarming rate, but much of the reason for this for everyone one guy selling human grade, they're 20 guys selling UGL gear. And I may go into unsafe waters on this one and no offense to the powers that be, but it's a pretty bold statement tom say there are no open sources around here. It's just that the banners/web sites are disguised with a few clicks of the mouse. Call a spaide a spaide. (spelling on that?). Although I think it's safe to say spots like SSB are wearing big bust me signs night and day. Why would anyone advertise there, especially after everything that went down with Anapharms? Only real big difference as far as human grade and UGL gear sellers is that the feds bust many of the UG labs where the chemistry is actually happening as opposed to busting a source after tracking shipments.

 

[bbkingpin]

It's a shame about Jintropin though. Plus with 37 Chinese factories getting popped, I would bet other Chinese peptides will no longer be available. Once you stack hGH with AAS, there's no going back.

 

[bigmusclehead]

Nelson, you make it seem like the feds won't bother with a source selling human grade gear. I hear ya about the high risks with UG labs. Not for nothin, but UGL gear is so much easier to come by. IMO anyway, as I don't know many spots to get Human Grade gear. If the feds are around the boards and around the ongoings of the memebers, at some point they're gonna come across a source selling human grade as well. And they will look to bust that person. UG labs have been gettin busted at an alarming rate, but much of the reason for this for everyone one guy selling human grade, they're 20 guys selling UGL gear. And I may go into unsafe waters on this one and no offense to the powers that be, but it's a pretty bold statement tom say there are no open sources around here. It's just that the banners/web sites are disguised with a few clicks of the mouse. Call a spaide a spaide. (spelling on that?). Although I think it's safe to say spots like SSB are wearing big bust me signs night and day. Why would anyone advertise there, especially after everything that went down with Anapharms? Only real big difference as far as human grade and UGL gear sellers is that the feds bust many of the UG labs where the chemistry is actually happening as opposed to busting a source after tracking shipments.

call me nieve but what does the vg stand for?

 

[Slyder190]

call me nieve but what does the vg stand for?

Underground

 

[gslben]

U.G.

Under Ground

 

[Harleymarleybone]

I don't want or need the government telling me something is too risky for me. Let me make that decision myself. My experiences had always been good. I don't see much good in the busts.

 

[Advisor_x]

My thoughts: Prices will increase, harder to find gear..........

 

[jerseyrugger76]

The positive spin on the whole affair is refreshing and Nelson's points concerning product safety are well taken. That said, taking out 56 UG labs removed significant supply from the market, so prices will be on the move and headed upward. And that's not cool at all.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think a lot of people are missing the point.

First off, I didn't say human grade, I said places where it's legit, i.e. foreign countries.

You may not want the government telling you what you can and can not do, but that's what they're doing. You can either accept it and find alternatives or bitch about it to no avail.

People must stop squaking because this whole thing makes stuff cheap gear tougher to find. Boo fucking hoo. If things kept going the way they were going there would have been more crappy labs, more underdosed products, more illness from contaminated gear.



AND ANOTHER THING

As it stood, I'd say at least half of these labs didn't even give you what you bought!!!

Most everything is a different dosage of either test or Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - or whatever is cheaper. But so many guys don't give a shit because "at least it's working". Well, that's a dumb ass response. People should be sure of what they're putting in their bodies.

It was time to clean house. And like it or not, it's been cleaned.










...................................................................

 

[Wrongun]

In my opinion the whole UG lab scene got out of control. I have posted many times about how many class a good ''lab'' which seemed to be

Do they answer mails quickly
Does the person at the other end of the e-mail seem ''nice''
Do they have nice labels
Do they send it to me quickly

If it was yes to these 4 questions then that was in the main that the supplier was good and based on that evidence people would inject themselevs with what turned up.

Never was the knowledge of the chemist (if they had one) questioned, never was the quality control considered but every now and again some lab reports were done and if it proved bunk never mind because next time they sent ''extras'' --- great!

Over the years i have invested a lot of time and money into my body and so will not take short cuts with what if any product i choose to inject and really can not understand thiose that do. If you can not afford to pay then don't play but do not risk your health more than you are.

If anything this has been a clensing operation that in someways was required. I do not like to see anyone go to jail but they all ran the risk and they all reaped the benefits whilst operational.

In someways i think all this was necessary but like anything it means it has raised profile and will have negative effects in terms of supply and cost but there were too many board openly advertising illegal substances for it to continue.

We all slate the boards that are open but even here at Elite there is source posting so nothing is whiter than white

Wrongun!

 

[Nelson Montana]

In my opinion the whole UG lab scene got out of control. I have posted many times about how many class a good ''lab'' which seemed to be

Do they answer mails quickly
Does the person at the other end of the e-mail seem ''nice''
Do they have nice labels
Do they send it to me quickly

If it was yes to these 4 questions then that was in the main that the supplier was good and based on that evidence people would inject themselevs with what turned up.

Never was the knowledge of the chemist (if they had one) questioned, never was the quality control considered but every now and again some lab reports were done and if it proved bunk never mind because next time they sent ''extras'' --- great!

Over the years i have invested a lot of time and money into my body and so will not take short cuts with what if any product i choose to inject and really can not understand thiose that do. If you can not afford to pay then don't play but do not risk your health more than you are.

If anything this has been a clensing operation that in someways was required. I do not like to see anyone go to jail but they all ran the risk and they all reaped the benefits whilst operational.

In someways i think all this was necessary but like anything it means it has raised profile and will have negative effects in terms of supply and cost but there were too many board openly advertising illegal substances for it to continue.

We all slate the boards that are open but even here at Elite there is source posting so nothing is whiter than white

Wrongun!

Dead on correct.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

And in the end, you're probably better off than buying shit from some kid brewing it up in his kitchen sink -- who once the cops start to lean on him will give out your name and address faster than you'd drop your pants if Paris Hilton told you said she needed to suck some shank NOW.

It's all good.

What the fuck Nelson???

You're better than that...
Leave Paris Hilton out of it!

 

[flexed1]

nelson is spot on. i admit i used ug labs as well as vet labs putting gains ahead of where its being made and how it may effect me later. fact is there is no telling what i placed in my body and thats scary in its own right. truly glad i stopped competing and taking bodybuilding so seroius.

 

[sweatandscience]

Good points made in your post.

However, since the whole Barry Bonds thing came about, my sister in law says that there are more guys in her high school trying to get roids because, as the media would have you believe, it's the only reason he's such a good ballplayer.

I can understand we have to take some hits now and then, but at the end of the day, all of this steriods talk and craziness in the media has made a lot of young people curious about steroids. That does bother me.

 

[sweatandscience]

Most everything is a different dosage of either test or Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - or whatever is cheaper. But so many guys don't give a shit because "at least it's working".

Damn, this has me concerned. I have what I think is a reliable provider, but I did notice that I get tren cough from their deca. How common is this?

 

[Harleymarleybone]

You may not want the government telling you what you can and can not do, but that's what they're doing. You can either accept it and find alternatives or bitch about it to no avail. ...................................................................

Of course, that's what they are doing, but I don't think it is a good thing as you seem to. I think it would be a good thing if the UGL's stayed open, and think what happened was very unfortunate. I think the risks of contaminated gear were pretty low, and I always had good results. The free market and feedback loop on quality that the boards provided minimized the risks for those who knew what they were doing.

Probably I'll do both - I'll bitch about it and find alternatives.

 

[samoth]

AND ANOTHER THING

As it stood, I'd say at least half of these labs didn't even give you what you bought!!!

Most everything is a different dosage of either test or Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - or whatever is cheaper. But so many guys don't give a shit because "at least it's working". Well, that's a dumb ass response. People should be sure of what they're putting in their bodies.

Highly underrated statement.

 

[justinjones1963]

Nelson, you make it seem like the feds won't bother with a source selling human grade gear. I hear ya about the high risks with UG labs. Not for nothin, but UGL gear is so much easier to come by. IMO anyway, as I don't know many spots to get Human Grade gear. If the feds are around the boards and around the ongoings of the memebers, at some point they're gonna come across a source selling human grade as well. And they will look to bust that person. UG labs have been gettin busted at an alarming rate, but much of the reason for this for everyone one guy selling human grade, they're 20 guys selling UGL gear. And I may go into unsafe waters on this one and no offense to the powers that be, but it's a pretty bold statement tom say there are no open sources around here. It's just that the banners/web sites are disguised with a few clicks of the mouse. Call a spaide a spaide. (spelling on that?). Although I think it's safe to say spots like SSB are wearing big bust me signs night and day. Why would anyone advertise there, especially after everything that went down with Anapharms? Only real big difference as far as human grade and UGL gear sellers is that the feds bust many of the UG labs where the chemistry is actually happening as opposed to busting a source after tracking shipments.

Good post.

The feds don't give a shit if it is human grade or vet grade or made in a dirty bathtub in the Balkans by an alleged human lab. If the feds catch someone selling it they are going to nail them to a cross.

 

[Swtrue]

Finding a doctor that will prescribe TRT is just as hard as finding a good source. Most doctors don't want to even discuss TRT, which for an older man is improved quality of life. The UG labs made another option for those of us who can't find a doctor to help.

SWT

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Highly underrated statement.

When I go out to a restaurant, I cannot be sure what I am putting in my body.
Why so underrated?

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Finding a doctor that will prescribe TRT is just as hard as finding a good source. Most doctors don't want to even discuss TRT, which for an older man is improved quality of life. The UG labs made another option for those of us who can't find a doctor to help.

SWT

Well, if you have any gear left, do a cycle of test and deca. Wait 4 or 5 weeks with no PCT; tell the doctor you feel run down and you want a blood test, and a testosterone check. Your levels should be so low that if he does not give you TRT you can sue the fucker for malpractice.

 

[chazk]

i think guys will be forced to take lower doses becuase of affordablity
guys will be forced to go back to human grade
more fake human grade stuff will floating around on the market
prices will be triple
heys its like 1993 all over again.

 

[GUESS]

Good post!

But just one last thing, I would never let Paris Hilton touch me! I don't find her attractive at all and she's dumber than a bag of hammers!!!!

 

[dixunxi]

great post.

 

[Quadsweep]

I said to my woman a year ago that I get at least 10 source checks a week I do not know at all! every week! I said this is going to collapse like a house of cards...and now Rick Collins can pay cash for a new Mercedes CL55..... Well good for Rick anyways...nice guy. I have said it before WAAAAYYY to many assholes (and you know who you are) use gear with no business doing so.They paid no dues,have no plan and really not a good reason in using as they are undisiplined and only eat and train when on. It got to fuckin' easy. What they can not see is if they would put in back in the doctors hands or better yet never had taken it out of their hands none of this would have happened. No infections, no bunk shit....everyone would have been safer if we were not so fucking protected! From ourselves! I looked at other non gear realted boards.....people do not care if we use...no outrage...the question is then WHY? They need to ask why do you go after them when they do not hurt anyone....and the Meth issue is OUT OF CONTROL! as well as Herion and coke. If we ask these questions we look self serving...if all the joe and jane accountants and lawyers and school teachers ask then they will have to answer...maybe.

Quad

 

[mb2]

Maybe things have changed, but remailers used to be notoriously unreliable. The only time I got burned was using remailers.

 

[Nelson Montana]

.............................................................................................



Once again -- nobody ever said otherwise.

My point was that foreign pharmacies make real stuff and US feds aren't going to bust a foreign pharmacy.

 

[jaybois]

The feds may have busted all these ug's,but most of these bro's will find others to pass their knowledge on to.

 

[needtogetaas]

Okay, now that everybody has licked their wounds, cursed out the government, found hiding places for all their gear and/or swear to never use steroids again, and realize they're not going to get a S.W.A.T team breaking in their door at 2:30 am to confiscate that bottle of E..Q and fourteen dball tabs you have left over from your last cycle , there are some things to consider that may actually prove positive.

UG labs may seem like a great thing but if this fiasco proves anything, it proves how risky they are in more ways than one. Think about it. These are people who are trying to replicate sanitary conditions in their basement. They're selling to strangers via internet connections. They're dealing with schedule 111 substances, often along with narcotics and other drugs. How stupid do you think the feds are that they can't track them down? All it took was a little detective work and I must say, they did it in grand fashion -- busting in on 52 of them at the same time. That is epic. Then again, they're guys in their basements! This ain't the mob. This ain't Osama Bin Laden. Guys in their basements. Of course they got pinched.

IF...and I say IF...you wanted (hypothetically) to get steroids, get them from places that actually make them legally. That means countries that manufacture and distribute them within the guidlines of the law. Sure, it has to go through customs and they may get stopped. That's the risk you take. But 99.99% of the time, they'll just get confiscated if the amount is under $500 worth. Treat it as a cheap lesson. (Hypothetically of course).

Better yet, use a remailer. Then it won't even go directly to you. Someone else gets it and send it to you so the MAILING becomes domestic. Can you still get caught? Fuck yeah! But you're cutting down your risks considerably and in the end...the feds don't really care about you're doing an 8 week cycle of some dball. They want businesses that don't pay taxes! They MUST be busted.

And in the end, you're probably better off than buying shit from some kid brewing it up in his kitchen sink -- who once the cops start to lean on him will give out your name and address faster than you'd drop your pants if Paris Hilton told you said she needed to suck some shank NOW.

So all in all, it's not so bad. It means everyone has to be a little more careful. A little more smart. A little more judicious. Maybe guys will try to make a small amount of gear last and learn to improve gains with better training and proper use of supplements. And it insures that everyone stays away from those who are just a little too sloppy in the way they conduct business.

It's all good.

out of cuntry with a re mailer in cuntry...thats what I always say..
if his re mailer gets popped big deal he is still sitting pretty...if he is big and bin around a wile he will recover and get you your shit...

 

[legendz]

Personally, I feel the whole war on drugs (all drugs, not just AAS) must rank as one of the largest wastes of US taxpayers' money ever, if not the largest. What lasting good has it achieved, really?

In any case, sources had indeed become too lax, so it isn't surprising that a lot of them were busted. Some of them advertise online so prominently I'm surprised they haven't already been shut down (or weren't closed much earlier).

One of the main reasons UGLs proliferated is they're considerably cheaper than obtaining the drugs from regular manufacturers. I suppose in some ways the extra cost with a regular lab could be seen as a quality assurance guarantee. Just another way to look at things.

 

[abolish the weak]

problem w/ all those UG labs is most were all in bed w/ each other, domino effect like a mofo

 

[needtogetaas]

Personally, I feel the whole war on drugs (all drugs, not just anabolic androgenic steroids) must rank as one of the largest wastes of US taxpayers' money ever, if not the largest. What lasting good has it achieved, really?

In any case, sources had indeed become too lax, so it isn't surprising that a lot of them were busted. Some of them advertise online so prominently I'm surprised they haven't already been shut down (or weren't closed much earlier).

One of the main reasons UGLs proliferated is they're considerably cheaper than obtaining the drugs from regular manufacturers. I suppose in some ways the extra cost with a regular lab could be seen as a quality assurance guarantee. Just another way to look at things.

well said.

 

[eddymerckx]

it's interesting--since the busts went public I have heard more than a few people question if steroids are really bad for people---I think all these baby boomers are starting to wonder if a little bit of test may help them regain their youth (instead of the porsche and viagra)

 

[Speakerman]

Okay, now that everybody has licked their wounds, cursed out the government, found hiding places for all their gear and/or swear to never use steroids again, and realize they're not going to get a S.W.A.T team breaking in their door at 2:30 am to confiscate that bottle of E..Q and fourteen dball tabs you have left over from your last cycle , there are some things to consider that may actually prove positive.

UG labs may seem like a great thing but if this fiasco proves anything, it proves how risky they are in more ways than one. Think about it. These are people who are trying to replicate sanitary conditions in their basement. They're selling to strangers via internet connections. They're dealing with schedule 111 substances, often along with narcotics and other drugs. How stupid do you think the feds are that they can't track them down? All it took was a little detective work and I must say, they did it in grand fashion -- busting in on 52 of them at the same time. That is epic. Then again, they're guys in their basements! This ain't the mob. This ain't Osama Bin Laden. Guys in their basements. Of course they got pinched.

IF...and I say IF...you wanted (hypothetically) to get steroids, get them from places that actually make them legally. That means countries that manufacture and distribute them within the guidlines of the law. Sure, it has to go through customs and they may get stopped. That's the risk you take. But 99.99% of the time, they'll just get confiscated if the amount is under $500 worth. Treat it as a cheap lesson. (Hypothetically of course).

Better yet, use a remailer. Then it won't even go directly to you. Someone else gets it and send it to you so the MAILING becomes domestic. Can you still get caught? Fuck yeah! But you're cutting down your risks considerably and in the end...the feds don't really care about you're doing an 8 week cycle of some dball. They want businesses that don't pay taxes! They MUST be busted.

And in the end, you're probably better off than buying shit from some kid brewing it up in his kitchen sink -- who once the cops start to lean on him will give out your name and address faster than you'd drop your pants if Paris Hilton told you said she needed to suck some shank NOW.

So all in all, it's not so bad. It means everyone has to be a little more careful. A little more smart. A little more judicious. Maybe guys will try to make a small amount of gear last and learn to improve gains with better training and proper use of supplements. And it insures that everyone stays away from those who are just a little too sloppy in the way they conduct business.

It's all good.

GREAT POST! I did a post back a few months that said why use ug when you can get pharm grade most said the price. I do not really see a price on what i am putting into my body and besides the price is not more on all products!!

 

[jumpshot]

Agree Nelson, thoughtful post. Although I have to admit I haven't logged in here in a while, and only did so because I knew what was happening and wanted to readup. I hope this wipes off the map 70% of the knuckleheads juicing for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Wrongun]

The feds may have busted all these ug's,but most of these bro's will find others to pass their knowledge on to.

Thats the problem what knowledge? many simply read the internet and gained very little knowledge and with the assistance of a bath tub produced oils to be injected into the himan body. That is / was the most scary thing about the whole UG lab scene IMHO

If they are passing on knowledge about how to run a black market operation then again i would say just about worthless when you see fromt he busts the main criteria of that was to:

Advertise ont he internet
Produce oils in their spare room
Keep large amounts of cash in the same room as the oils
Ensure you have some rec drugs in the house as well just in case you have a late night


Obvioulsy not all of them but this seems to be the basics coming out from most of the busts. IMHO it was this knowledge that sent many to jail

Not having a go just saying it as how i have seen it develop certainly over the last 3-4 years

Wrongun!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Good points made in your post.

However, since the whole Barry Bonds thing came about, my sister in law says that there are more guys in her high school trying to get steroids because, as the media would have you believe, it's the only reason he's such a good ballplayer.

I can understand we have to take some hits now and then, but at the end of the day, all of this steriods talk and craziness in the media has made a lot of young people curious about steroids. That does bother me.

ITS FUNNY HOW THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO PORTRAY ROIDS AS BEIN GBAD THEN THEY PLASTER THE HOME RUN KING ALL OVER THE MEDIA AND SAY HE WAS ONLY THIS GOOD BECAUSE OF THE ROIDS. WELL SHIT IF WANNA GO PRO IN A SPORT AND I AM IN HIGHSCHOOL THIS SOUNDS LIKE A DAMN GOOD WAY TO DO IT. LOOK AT BONDS HE DID NT DO ANYTHING BUT MAKE MILLIONS AND BREAK RECORDS. SO FUCK THE MEDIA.

 

[jaybois]

Thats the problem what knowledge? many simply read the internet and gained very little knowledge and with the assistance of a bath tub produced oils to be injected into the himan body. That is / was the most scary thing about the whole UG lab scene IMHO

If they are passing on knowledge about how to run a black market operation then again i would say just about worthless when you see fromt he busts the main criteria of that was to:

Advertise ont he internet
Produce oils in their spare room
Keep large amounts of cash in the same room as the oils
Ensure you have some rec drugs in the house as well just in case you have a late night


Obvioulsy not all of them but this seems to be the basics coming out from most of the busts. IMHO it was this knowledge that sent many to jail

Not having a go just saying it as how i have seen it develop certainly over the last 3-4 years

Wrongun!

Could not agree more.

 

[John C Calhoun]

There is absolutly nothing good that has come from all these busts

Its high times for you isnt it Nelson? Every UG that goes down only helps to improve your bottom line. Less availability to real gear and greater $$$ for what is available means more people willing to purchase your junk ("suplements"). You and your like will be walking in high cotton thanks to all the this.

 

[holy ghost]

the south will never rise again.

 

[Cal_21]

the south will never rise again.

lololololololololololololol

 

[Mr. dB]

I think the "bathtub" and "kitchen sink" imagery needs to stop, this sort of hyperbole does not add any credibility to your argument. It would be more trouble to make gear like that than it would to do it properly in flasks and beakers, so why would anyone bother?

As for sterility, once you filter and bake the gear it's good to go.

 

[Mr. dB]

If anything good is to come from Operation Raw Deal, it will be the development of a new business model. Nature abhors a vacuum, there's too much demand for "them" to kill the steroid business, but newer, more secure methods are going to have to be found. It's been entirely too easy for anyone to get online and find a source, if we could find it then obviously LE could too. Well those good old days are over. It will be interesting to see what develops next.

 

[Tweakle]

Good things from the busts - Good Broez on EF selling human grade do a tap dance for joy and can now sell their overpriced crap to more than just the neediest of needy newbies. Those selling snake oil might have a potential new market of desparate former users.

Bad Things from the busts - everything else.

Reckless fool that I am I think I'll stick to powder. Made in a stinking, unsterile trashcan full of crisco and what might be trenbolone powder (but could be just talc) mixed with my unwashed hands.

 

[eddymerckx]

If anything good is to come from Operation Raw Deal, it will be the development of a new business model. Nature abhors a vacuum, there's too much demand for "them" to kill the steroid business, but newer, more secure methods are going to have to be found. It's been entirely too easy for anyone to get online and find a source, if we could find it then obviously LE could too. Well those good old days are over. It will be interesting to see what develops next.

agree--good points

 

[Nelson Montana]

There is absolutly nothing good that has come from all these busts

Its high times for you isnt it Nelson? Every UG that goes down only helps to improve your bottom line. Less availability to real gear and greater $$$ for what is available means more people willing to purchase your junk ("suplements"). You and your like will be walking in high cotton thanks to all the this.

That was some dumb shit to say bro.

 

[BIGBUCK$]

wow

 

[Slyder190]

If anything good is to come from Operation Raw Deal, it will be the development of a new business model. Nature abhors a vacuum, there's too much demand for "them" to kill the steroid business, but newer, more secure methods are going to have to be found. It's been entirely too easy for anyone to get online and find a source, if we could find it then obviously LE could too. Well those good old days are over. It will be interesting to see what develops next.

Bravo. Well put.

 

[gslben]

the south will never rise again.

Too funny