going nuts---trouble cutting

[getrealcut]

Hey guys

I am going crazy trying to get cut... It's not working... I eat healthy all day while my roomate eats like a pig for lunch he has like 5 corny dogs, 5 chicken strips, chocolate milk, then drinks 12 beers. He just eats like a pig and is fucking ripped, and i try my hardest eating healthy and i cant get it...

Here is my current cycle:
800mg eq/wk
100mg winstrol ed
100mg masteron ed
100mcg t3 ed
1 IP superclen ed

I keep my diet around 1500-2200 cals a day... Usually more around 2000... I am 5'9 190lbs at about 8% bf... I am losing a little bit, my abs are getting more defined... But the rest of my body isnt getting more cut...And i still have a layer of fat over my stomach... I do cardio for 30 minutes eod and it usually burns 500 cals... What else can i do guys??? I am about to go insane... I want to be fucking ripped and i dont know why its not working right... By the way i have been on for 2 weeks. Any ideas, words of wisdom or suggestions?

 

[BigPsyco]

ketogenic diet, and 2 weeks already and your not seeing much, thats strange at those doses, you should be FEELIN it, im thinking the f word, not that one, fakes, and eq dose not work for some

 

[Namu]

Wait another week and if nothing comes or shows then you should worry. Some people's metabolisms are just that much different. It is all genetic. Keep lifting and keep your head up. You will get there!!!!
I too would recommend the Body Opus or Anabolic diet if you are not weak at heart

 

[getrealcut]

here is my usual diet:

I dont usually have time for breakfast, so i just grabs a natures valley granola bar...

Lunch: large salad w/ tuna and some fruit

dinner: large sald w/ tuna, fruit, and some veggies

i'll have a few snacks during the day like pretzels or another granola bar...

Should i just cut the carbs low and go for the keto diet? it just doesnt seem to be too practical as i wont ave very much energy

 

[BigPsyco]

Well this going to sound funny but your not eating enough, eat more high protein foods like chicken, tuna, fish and spread them out as best as possible threw your day eating as frequently as possible, your body is storing fat because its not sure when its going to get its next meal, sleep all night then dont eat breakfast

 

[wildcat]

Dude, if you want to get ripped, you've gotta eat... and eat and eat and eat and eat.

For your size, i would suggest throwing down at least 3500 calories each day... and lots and lots of protein. Get your carbs from complex sources.... no simple sugars.

If you are concerned about gainin fat, then just do cardio in the AM, before breakfast and don't eat carbs after 8pm.

with that ammount of gear in you, there is only one reason that you're not growin like a weed. YA GOTTA EAT.

training and juicing are only a small percentage of the whoel scheme.

 

[getrealcut]

The thing is, i have been getting bigger and stronger... Im almost to week 3 and my max has went from 340 to 355, and i am noticeably bigger, you can tell i am leaner, but i want to start getting really fucking cut...

I dont understand how eating 3500 cals could help me loose more fat than eating 2000 calories.. Can someone explain? Also can someone post a link to a website with the anabolic or body opus diet... I am searching the web, but im not finding too much.

 

[getrealcut]

I think the high carbs are my problem...From what i see i like the body opus.

So, mon-fri: 60% fat-35%protein-5% carbs
sat-sun: 15% fat-25% protein-60% carbs

The only problem is figuring out exactly how many calories to eat... And with the food, i am kind of limited as i am a freshman in college, i live on campus, and usually have to eat at the dining hall...

This is what i was thinking in terms of food each day as this is all i can get from my dining hall:

Mixed nuts
Tunafish
Turkey-Ham-Roast Beef
Salad w/ lowfat dressing
Lots of vegetables
Beef Jerkey
Beef and chicken(when they have it)

On a 3000 cal diet--- it comes out to be:200g fat-37.5g carbs-262g protein

that seems insane... I couldnt find that much fat to eat... Am i figuring that right?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Couple of things here, remember bodyopus was written years ago. The bible is now The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald. Do an internet search for his name, and you should pull up tons of (probably outdated) info.

Don't worry about the ratios. And carbs at ~5%? I don't think so. Try .0001%. Carbs are everywhere, so make it your goal to eat zero.

Your caloric intake needs to be ~10-12 cal/lb. Take in ~1 gram protein/lb. The rest should come from fat. So don't worry about the ratio. Fat acts as a ballast for your calories. How can you get extra fat calories? Taking shots of heavy cream (not too much, there is actually some carbs in there), shots of oil, tuna fish sandwich soup that consists of a touch of tuna and a tub of mayo, cheese, etc.

Salad with lowfat dressing? That's gonna have too many carbs. Lots of vegetables? Uh, if pork is a vegetable, then sure. Try some pork rinds.

My advice is that if you really want fatloss, then as soon as you come off gear, hop on the DNP train and get lean. Otherwise you have a long, arduous journey ahead of you. One filled with lots of problems, pitfalls, and backwards momentum. And with dnp, you don't have to count your calories, or eat in a certain type of ratio. It works, and it works, and it works.

 

[getrealcut]

Umm... DNP in the texas heat... I dont think so, been there done that... I am through with my DNP usage, i cant stand it anymore... I am working on coming up with my diet.... so if i weigh 190lbs, thats 1900-2280 cals a day...

I was thinking:

Breakfast: eggs, bacon, sausage
Lunch: Tuna w/ mayo and hard boiled eggs, hot dogs w/o buns along with other meats
Dinner: Same as lunch

for snacks in between: nuts, beef jerky, and pork rinds

How does this sound?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Sounds fine to me.

As for dnp use in texas...where do you think I am? Another reason I am a big fan of lowdose dnp. I can still function and do normal things no problem. In fact, when I did a 3 weeker, it hit triple digits something like 12 days in a row. And I got leaner than I ever could on the keto diet.

Oh, something else. Don't carb up Sat and Sun. Pick one or the other. Otherwise, you will gain fat. Trust me on this. The Ketogenic Diet talks about this.

Also key for success is to workout your entire body over a 2 day period. That way you deplete muscle glycogen. This is not fun. Working out on no carbs is no fun.

You might experience headaches, general fuzzy thinking, etc. This should go away after two weeks. Also, you will feel like crap on carb up days.

 

[getrealcut]

will it not work right if i workout eod? I usually do back/bi's---cardio---chest/tri's---cardio---shoulders/legs----cardio and so on...

 

[TxLonghorn]

Look, it's up to you, but I am telling you what is optimal.

You carb up on Sunday. Stopping around 6pm Sunday evening. Monday, you work out half your body hard. Tuesday you work out the other half, hard. This should deplete plenty of muscle glycogen. Why is this important? Because you tell your body what fuel to burn and when. If your muscles are carbed up, you are telling your body to burn, in this order, carbs, protein, and fat. If your liver has no carbs, your muscles have little carbs then you tell your body to burn fat first. Which I am assuming is what you want.

So, if you look at it like it's a race, which it is, then why would you work out on Monday, and not Tuesday. That would waste a day of potential fat burning. Can you still be successful and not work out 2 days in a row to deplete? Sure. But it can be likened to going out drinking on Saturday night. Can you get muscle gains and still go out and get lit on the weekends? Of course. But that is not optimal.

This diet is very particular, and typically any misstep will negatively affect your fatloss. It is as simple a diet as they come, but don't think for a second that it's easy. If you are lucky, carb cravings won't kill you.

 

[mlomker]

On a 3000 cal diet--- it comes out to be:200g fat-37.5g carbs-262g protein

You must eat mountains of meat to get 262g a day. Not sure what your finances are like, but I'd recommend 6 lb pails of protein from a health food place. That's what I do. You sure as hell don't want to eat that much fat. I've never heard anyone recommend more than 20% of calories (fat is 9/cals per gram)...and it has to be "good" fat at that.

If you are on a college campus I'd start look for a graduate student in the sports/kinesiology/nutrition department to give you some free advice! There's a lot of bright folks at colleges and they'll typically help you for free. Isn't like that after you get out...believe me.

 

[Willyumyum]

Umm... DNP in the texas heat... I dont think so, been there done that... I am through with my DNP usage, i cant stand it anymore... I am working on coming up with my diet.... so if i weigh 190lbs, thats 1900-2280 cals a day...

I was thinking:

Breakfast: eggs, bacon, sausage
Lunch: Tuna w/ mayo and hard boiled eggs, hot dogs w/o buns along with other meats
Dinner: Same as lunch

for snacks in between: nuts, beef jerky, and pork rinds

How does this sound?

It all depends on your dedication to getting ripped bro... DNP will get you shredded, it is the shit!! But the othe road will be a long one, like tx said...
YUM

 

[diamonddiceclay]

The thing is, i have been getting bigger and stronger... Im almost to week 3 and my max has went from 340 to 355, and i am noticeably bigger, you can tell i am leaner, but i want to start getting really fucking cut...

I dont understand how eating 3500 cals could help me loose more fat than eating 2000 calories.. Can someone explain? Also can someone post a link to a website with the anabolic or body opus diet... I am searching the web, but im not finding too much.

goto allprotraining.com it is dr dipasquale's site-he wrote the anabolic diet book

 

[diamonddiceclay]

You must eat mountains of meat to get 262g a day. Not sure what your finances are like, but I'd recommend 6 lb pails of protein from a health food place. That's what I do. You sure as hell don't want to eat that much fat. I've never heard anyone recommend more than 20% of calories (fat is 9/cals per gram)...and it has to be "good" fat at that.

If you are on a college campus I'd start look for a graduate student in the sports/kinesiology/nutrition department to give you some free advice! There's a lot of bright folks at colleges and they'll typically help you for free. Isn't like that after you get out...believe me.

it is better to eat 2 lbs of steak a day than powder.

 

[Natural One]

Tx--
When is your next dnp cycle? What were your stats b4 and after that three week cycle?

 

[shokjosh456]

tx,can u get dnp in mexico?

 

[TxLonghorn]

My next one? I'm already back on, lol.

I just started week 2, and will more than likely stop after that. I will then wait a week or so and get on some gear.

Stats? Don't really know. I used to be all into that caliper stuff, scales, etc. I threw out my calipers and am much more focused on visual results than site measurements. But, guessing from when I did do the whole caliper thingy...I would say I started out around 11-12%. I typically hover around 10-12%. I also can only get under 10% by losing all my muscle. And I ended up in the low 9% range. Faint outline of abs, vascularity, etc. I look leaner than I did when I measured myself out at 9.25%.

Anyways, I could never have achieved this so quickly and without the problems asscociated with dieting without dnp. I love this stuff.

 

[Natural One]

I love the stuff too but have you ever experienced chest pains and kidney pain? I have. How long do you hold water after your low dose cycles and which version of the stuff are you using and at what dose? 200/day? How exactly are you feeling on week two and what are you eating. I just popped a pill like 30min. ago