GK and Sarms Cycle

[jgalb78]

Okay I am going to give this a shot:

This is my 3rd cycle on PHs and 2nd on sarms.

1-4 GK Primo Dex 2 caps
7-12 GK Ox 2 caps
7-12 GW 20 mg ED (until empty)
1-12 LGD 10mg ED
1-12 S4 50mg ED
1-12 LiqDex 2ml EOD
1-12 N2guard ED
6-12 HCGenerate (until empty)
1-8 RS Trans
Creatine
C4 extreme pre workout

PCT 13-16 or longer
Clomid 50
LiqArmo 10 - 12 mg
N2guard
MK 25 mg
Unleash/PCT comb set

Goal is to drop some weight/fat, but main goal is to gain as much strength as possible to hit 500lb bench.

Running: at least 4 times a week..... 5k before workout
Day 1 chest / tri
Day 2 Shoulders/ bic
Day 3 chest/ tri
Day 4 back/ bic
Day 5 whole body circuit / Abs

Started LDG about 10 days before (4-1-14) the first dose of Primo Dex which was today. I can feel some calf pump when I am running, but I just push through it. I kind of hurt my shoulder early last week maxing out to get and accurate measurement on bench (425 lbs), so I am taking it easy on the chest days and mainly doing dumbbells (100 lbs).

I will try to keep this log up to date with some calorie logs as well.

 

[RickRock13]

That setup looks pretty sweet bro, and this will deliver some amazing results. The GK prohormone line is no joke, and the synergy with the sarms will transform you with the right diet and training. Good luck. I will be watching

 

[jgalb78]

April 11, 2014 - staying under 2330 calories a day
Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber

Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 4 large egg white 68 0g 0g 14g 0mg 220mg 0g 0g
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr) 70 14g 0g 0g 0mg 1mg 0g 3g

Lunch
Castle Wood (56g) 2oz - Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, 4 oz (56g) 120 0g 1g 22g 60mg 0mg 0g 0g
Fresh Express Dsf Net Carbs - Heart of Romaine Lettuce, 0.5 cups 4 0g 0g 0g 0mg 1mg 0g 1g
Kraft - Miracle Whip - Light - Cwd, 2 tbsp 40 4g 3g 0g 0mg 250mg 1g 0g
Sara Lee - Healthy Multigrain Bread 45 Calories/delightful, 4 slice 180 36g 2g 12g 0mg 340mg 4g 10g

Dinner
Sirlon Steak - Steak, 12.76 oz 728 0g 46g 73g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
Russel - Potatoe, 2 potatoe 220 52g 0g 6g 0mg 0mg 2g 4g
Heinz - Ketchup, 4 Tbsp (17g) 80 20g 0g 0g 0mg 640mg 16g 0g

Snacks
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr) 70 14g 0g 0g 0mg 1mg 0g 3g
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr) 70 14g 0g 0g 0mg 1mg 0g 3g
Veggie - Broccoli, 1 Cup (91g) chopped 31 6g 0g 3g 0mg 29mg 2g 2g

TOTAL: 1,681 160g 52g 130g 60mg 1,483mg 25g 26g

 

[stevesmi]

my only suggestion is you need a leg day in there... I think you made a typo

 

[jgalb78]

April 12, 2014

I have a good workout today but I was in a time crunch. I only did a 2mile run for my warm up then I went into my whole upper body workout. I am still nursing my shoulder, so I am doing high reps (5x10-15reps) per lift. Worked on chest: Dumbbells, crossovers (low & high); Triceps: kickbacks, straight ext, rope ext, one arm ext; biceps: hammer curl, preacher, cable curl; shoulders: lat/front cable raises, dumbbar raises. I had a really good pump in my triceps, biceps, and traps. I felt I could keep going with my sets. Truthfully I think I did 7 or 8 sets on tris and bics. I cant wait to feel the pump when Primo Dex and S4 kicks in... right now it just the LDG that is kicking.

Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 4 large egg white 68 0g 0g 14g 0mg 220mg 0g 0g Orange184* - Orange, Navel, 3.5 oz raw 69 18g 0g 1g 0mg 1mg 12g 3g Folgers Instant - Coffee, 80 oz 0 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
Lunch
Sara Lee - Healthy Multigrain Bread 45 Calories/delightful, 4 slice 180 36g 2g 12g 0mg 340mg 4g 10g Kraft - Miracle Whip - Light - Cwd, 2 tbsp 40 4g 3g 0g 0mg 250mg 1g 0g Fresh Express Dsf Net Carbs - Heart of Romaine Lettuce, 0.5 cups 4 0g 0g 0g 0mg 1mg 0g 1g Castle Wood (56g) 2oz - Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, 4 oz (56g) 120 0g 1g 22g 60mg 0mg 0g 0g
Dinner
Russel - Potatoe, 2 potatoe 220 52g 0g 6g 0mg 0mg 2g 4g Sirlon Steak - Steak, 11.6 oz 662 0g 42g 67g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g Tomatoes* - Cherry, 1 CUP 27 6g 0g 1g 0mg 7mg 4g 2g Bird's Eye - Steamed Veggies: Broc, Caul, Carrots, 3/4 cup cooked 30 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
Snacks
Quaker - Oat Meal - Regular, 0.25 packet, 28 gms 25 5g 1g 1g 0mg 19mg 0g 1g Popcorn - Popcorn, 2 Cup 80 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g Chicken Breast - Chicken Breast, Boneless, Skinless, 10 oz 70g 460 0g 10g 90g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g

TOTAL:
1,985 121g 59g 214g 60mg 838mg 23g 21g

 

[jgalb78]

Sunday is my cheat day and day off

 

[ha1a1]

Nice. But yeah ..like Steve said. No legs?

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[dylangemelli]

good luck bro... im expecting some very nice results on this one! keep working hard...

 

[Jbranken]

Wow that's one hell of a cycle. I've been interested in seeing a primabol dex log, especially with sarms

 

[jgalb78]

Nice. But yeah ..like Steve said. No legs?

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I really just want concentrate on my upper body.. I did enough squats, power cleans, etc in college...lol.. I should do at least one leg day... It will help with overall strength gains. I'll think about it

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Great looking cycle, and keep up the good work my friend.

 

[Francofranco]

Great looking cycle bro! I'm a powerlifter myself and always have believed a good bench goes hand in hand with a good squat. Believe it or not but legs are a part of the bench. Shoulders will take a beating. Be wise and contemplate how you train. Lifting for strength and power is a different animal. A coach is always helpful and joining a team, if your not already, will up your game. Any questions just ask. Good luck bro!
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[jgalb78]

Great looking cycle bro! I'm a powerlifter myself and always have believed a good bench goes hand in hand with a good squat. Believe it or not but legs are a part of the bench. Shoulders will take a beating. Be wise and contemplate how you train. Lifting for strength and power is a different animal. A coach is always helpful and joining a team, if your not already, will up your game. Any questions just ask. Good luck bro!
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Thanks... I do believe it would help my bench.. I will look into team around my area

 

[jgalb78]

Life got busy sorry for no updates the last few days:

I took steve advice and started doing legs at least one time during the week... let me say "Ouch" I had some trouble getting off the toliet this morning my hamies are sore. The squats kicked my ass!! I do not have any side effects from the S4 as of yet.. .might bump it up to 75mg. I dont not feel any different with the use of Primo yet but its only been few days. If it is like other PHs then it will take a couple weeks to feel the affects of it. Today I am going to kill my Tric and chest and get a good run (3 to 4miles at a easy/medium pace) in to loosen up my body from my leg day.

I have not found a powerlifting coach in the area as of yet...

diet:
April 15, 2014

Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 5 large egg white850g0g18g0mg275mg0g0g
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr)7014g0g0g0mg1mg0g3g

Lunch
Subway - 6" Veggie Delight on Wheat W/ American Cheese, 12 inch54080g12g20g40mg940mg12g10g

Dinner
Prego - Spaghetti Sauce With Mushrooms, 3 cup46584g9g12g0mg2,880mg66g18g
Home Processed - Deer Burger, 12 oz4770g21g66g0mg0mg0g0g
Spaghetti - Spaghetti Noodles, 280 g44286g3g14g0mg2mg2g5g

Snacks
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr)7014g0g0g0mg1mg0g3gTOTAL:2,149278g45g130g40mg4,099mg80g39g

 

[stevesmi]

I really just want concentrate on my upper body.. I did enough squats, power cleans, etc in college...lol.. I should do at least one leg day... It will help with overall strength gains. I'll think about it

do push/pull/legs. I have a setup in the lifting section as a sticky .. it will pay off.

 

[hurricane]

Life got busy sorry for no updates the last few days:

I took steve advice and started doing legs at least one time during the week... let me say "Ouch" I had some trouble getting off the toliet this morning my hamies are sore. The squats kicked my ass!! I do not have any side effects from the S4 as of yet.. .might bump it up to 75mg. I dont not feel any different with the use of Primo yet but its only been few days. If it is like other PHs then it will take a couple weeks to feel the affects of it. Today I am going to kill my Tric and chest and get a good run (3 to 4miles at a easy/medium pace) in to loosen up my body from my leg day.

I have not found a powerlifting coach in the area as of yet...

diet:
April 15, 2014

Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 5 large egg white850g0g18g0mg275mg0g0g
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr)7014g0g0g0mg1mg0g3g

Lunch
Subway - 6" Veggie Delight on Wheat W/ American Cheese, 12 inch54080g12g20g40mg940mg12g10g

Dinner
Prego - Spaghetti Sauce With Mushrooms, 3 cup46584g9g12g0mg2,880mg66g18g
Home Processed - Deer Burger, 12 oz4770g21g66g0mg0mg0g0g
Spaghetti - Spaghetti Noodles, 280 g44286g3g14g0mg2mg2g5g

Snacks
Fruit Apples - Apple, 1 medium apple (100gr)7014g0g0g0mg1mg0g3gTOTAL:2,149278g45g130g40mg4,099mg80g39g

yes give the primobol more time, its a very good compound, you will deff get something from it.

 

[jgalb78]

Okay.. Today was a break through day for the Primo (taking 2 pills a day)... I was getting worried about the effectiveness of the product, but not anymore. I felt great in the gym and had some rock hard pumps with a ton more veins showing on my arms and upper shoulders (it might be from the S4, not sure).. Primo took about 7 days for it to kick in for me and that is easily week to week and half faster than Helladrol. I once again took Steve advice about the push, pull, leg routine... I started the routine with the idea of running 4 miles, but ended up running 3.3 miles before I start my lifts.. I did push yesterday and today it was all pull lifts.

Seated rows 5x10x190
Standing rope rows 5x10-15x120
One arm rows 5x8-10x60
lats Pull downs 3x10x 180
Straight bar Biceps 5x12-15x130
Dumbbell hammer curls 5x10x50
preacher dumbbell curls 5x10x35- till cant do it
dips (couldn't help myself) 3xFailure

Doing high reps with medium weight still due to shoulder pain (10-15 reps). Doctor gave me a couple of shots in my shoulder yesterday, so hopefully in a week I will feel like a new man.

Diet been slipping a little, so freaking hungry the last few days.. I think it due to the increase in cardio or maybe the LDG.

Anyways... will keep logging every couple of days and have a great EASTER.

 

[RickRock13]

Very nice bro. Nice to hear the Primoboldex is kicking in and doing its thing

 

[Raff]

You're gettin me all excited for MY LGD/Primoboldex log starting in a couple weeks! F**kin love sarms1 & this new GK Prohormones is sounding better & better everyday!

 

[jgalb78]

You're gettin me all excited for MY LGD/Primoboldex log starting in a couple weeks! F**kin love sarms1 & this new GK Prohormones is sounding better & better everyday!

It will be interesting to see when your Primo kicks in for you since you are starting LDG the same day, correct? I front load LDG before I started Primo by 10 days.

 

[Raff]

It a 10wk LGD cycle so ima start the primobol on the last 6 weeks

 

[jgalb78]

Okay gotcha... I thought you were doing both the same time

 

[dylangemelli]

7 days is pretty quick for a ph to kick in... you generally don't start really seeing it for at least 10-14 days although that rule does not apply to anyone... just wait bro... that being said, running it with sarms is only going to further enhance it and get more out of it than you would expect... you should see some very nice gains... keep up the good work...

 

[jgalb78]

It might the LDG that is really shining but it feels different then LDG has been feeling so I thought it was the primo

 

[hurricane]

It will be interesting to see when your Primo kicks in for you since you are starting LDG the same day, correct? I front load LDG before I started Primo by 10 days.

Differnt people react differently to differnt compounds.Great log.keep it up brother.

 

[jgalb78]

Day 21 from the beginning of my sarms and Day 11 with Primo.... It was a push day for my lifts, but shoulder is still a little messed up still. Hoping to be pain feel in a few more days, so I am still in high rep mode. I am up to 75mg for the S4 now with no sides so far. LGD is at 10mg. I was feeling a little down today... not sure if it was due to Monday or the PH. Maybe a little mad that I can flat bench or do cable cross due to my shoulder.

Workout:
Ran 3 miles (1mile at 5.5, 2nd mile at 6- 6.5, and 3rd at 6.5-8 at the last lap)
walked 1/2 for a cool down at 15 degree incline

dumbbell bench 7x10
decline DD bench 3x10
skull crushers 5x10
triceps ext 7x10
rope overhead triceps ext 5x10
one arm tricep ext 5x10
one arm cross body ext 5x10
machine dips 3xfailure

Diet:
Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber

Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 5 large egg white 85 0g 0g 18g 0mg 275mg 0g 0g

Lunch
Fresh Express Dsf Net Carbs - Heart of Romaine Lettuce, 1 cups 8 1g 0g 1g 0mg 3mg 1g 1g
Castle Wood (56g) 2oz - Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, 4 oz (56g) 120 0g 1g 22g 60mg 0mg 0g 0g
Kraft - Miracle Whip - Light - Cwd, 2 tbsp 40 4g 3g 0g 0mg 250mg 1g 0g
Sara Lee - Healthy Multigrain Bread 45 Calories/delightful, 4 slice 180 36g 2g 12g 0mg 340mg 4g 10g

Dinner
Gourmet Foods Daily Chef - Steamable Mixed Vegetables, 0.3335 cup 30 6g 0g 1g 0mg 28mg 2g 2g
Home Processed - Deer Burger, 6 oz 239 0g 11g 33g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
Cheese - Colby, 0.25 cup, diced 130 1g 11g 8g 31mg 199mg 0g 0g
Mission Small Flour Tortillas - Soft Shell Toco, 5 tortilla 550 90g 13g 10g 0mg 1,550mg 0g 5g

Snacks
Orange184* - Orange, Navel, 3.5 oz raw 69 18g 0g 1g 0mg 1mg 12g 3g
Orange184* - Orange, Navel, 3.5 oz raw 69 18g 0g 1g 0mg 1mg 12g 3g
Strawberries - Raw, 3 cup, halves 146 35g 1g 3g 0mg 5mg 21g 9g TOTAL: 1,666 209g 42g 110g 91mg 2,652mg 53g 33g

 

[jgalb78]

It was a good day at the GYM!! It was one of those days that you started working out and then you looked up and 2 hours have past like its only been 30 minutes. Had some good pumps in the muscle groups that I was using. It was a Pull day so I did a lot of back and arms.

Workout:
Ran 3miles (1-2 were at 5.3 and 3 mile was 6 to 8.5)

Standing bent over rows 6x10x185
Standing rope pulls 3x10-15x80
Lat pull down 5x10x185
sited rows 5x10x forgot the weight
straight bar curls 3x15x60
land mowers 5x10x75
Cable curls 3x failure x 30
Hammer curls 3x10x50
Dumbbell preacher curls 3x failure x 30
machine sitted rows 3x10x40

Diet:
Foods Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber

Breakfast
Mc - Egg Whites - Egg White, 5 large egg white 85 0g 0g 18g 0mg 275mg 0g 0g

Lunch
Sara Lee - Healthy Multigrain Bread 45 Calories/delightful, 4 slice 180 36g 2g 12g 0mg 340mg 4g 10g
Kraft - Miracle Whip - Light - Cwd, 2 tbsp 40 4g 3g 0g 0mg 250mg 1g 0g
Fresh Express Dsf Net Carbs - Heart of Romaine Lettuce, 1 cups 8 1g 0g 1g 0mg 3mg 1g 1g
Castle Wood (56g) 2oz - Oven Roasted Turkey Breast, 5 oz (56g) 150 0g 1g 28g 75mg 0mg 0g 0g

Dinner
F-Plan Diet - Chicken Breast , 20 oz 825 0g 24g 180g 325mg 375mg 0g 0g
Sweet Baby Ray's - Bq Sauce, 4 Tbsp 140 0g 0g 0g 0mg 580mg 32g 0g
Green Giant - Green Giant Steamers Rosemary (Sugar Snap Peas, Corn, Carrots, Barley, Black Beans & Bell Peppers), 1 package 200 32g 6g 6g 15mg 610mg 5g 7g

Snacks
Orange184* - Orange, Navel, 3.5 oz raw 69 18g 0g 1g 0mg 1mg 12g 3g
Cellucor - C4 Extreme Pre-workout W/no3 - Orange, 17.7 g (1 cacito) 15 3g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g
Optimum Nutrition - Micronized Creatine Powder - Creatine Monohydrate (Creapure) (Unflavored), 1 Rounded Teaspoon (5 grams) 0 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g Now Foods -
Taurine - 1000mg, 1 capsule 0 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g TOTAL: 1,712 94g 36g 246g 415mg 2,434mg 55g 21g

My only problem is that I think I am not taking in enough calories... I still have 1400 calories since I burned 825 calories running... what do you guys think?

 

[Shrine1]

Do you know your maintenance calories?

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[jgalb78]

Do you know your maintenance calories?

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2230 is my goal which should create weight loss but still be able gain strength, but I haven't seen too much weight loss.. maybe muscle is take that up and lossing fat... I think that is going on...

 

[Shrine1]

10% under maintenance wit the right macros and you should lose weight for sure and keep muscle mass

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[hurricane]

2230 is my goal which should create weight loss but still be able gain strength, but I haven't seen too much weight loss.. maybe muscle is take that up and lossing fat... I think that is going on...

you need to get your bf% measured.. you cant go by weight bro.

 

[jgalb78]

Damn... your right I man... I dont know why I did not think of that... thanks

 

[Francofranco]

Bro how's the shoulder? Do you know what kind of injury it was? Sorry didn't get back to your pm. How's the joints feel? Are the other body parts feeling dried out or stiff? I know that's a lot of questions but may be able to help guide you. Also GET a quality massage from a qualified therapist. Have them work on that shoulder for a whole hour. I go to a massage therapist who most of her clients are active in mma so you may find someone like that experienced in sports injuries. K bro

 

[hurricane]

Damn... your right I man... I dont know why I did not think of that... thanks

Its all good, the scale lies alot.You can stay the same weight and drop a good deal of bf%, especially when hitting the gym hard and even more so, when adding anabolic compounds to it.

 

[jgalb78]

Bro how's the shoulder? Do you know what kind of injury it was? Sorry didn't get back to your pm. How's the joints feel? Are the other body parts feeling dried out or stiff? I know that's a lot of questions but may be able to help guide you. Also GET a quality massage from a qualified therapist. Have them work on that shoulder for a whole hour. I go to a massage therapist who most of her clients are active in mma so you may find someone like that experienced in sports injuries. K bro

The doctor believes/saw through an x-ray it has arthritis in the joint, but it looks like an old tear or calcium build up on one of my tendons. I told him to give me a shot first and see how the shot makes my should feel and then maybe later I will get an MRI if it does not feel better. It feels better but it hurt doing 225 straight bar bench (usually workout with 350 or 375).. which pissing me off.... If I use dumbbells around 75-90lbs it does not hurt so I will stick with them for awhile longer. when I ran on the treadmill (usually 3 miles) my ankles and knees hurt, but I just push through the pain (does not stick around after workout). I blame them on my crappy shoes that I have been wearing. I will looking into a massage.

I have not found BF% checker.. and I don't believe in the weight scales that supposedly tells you your BF%... it taking your BMI and saying blalalallalalal.

Still doing Steve's push, pull, and leg day routine. The primo dex has not given the pump as much as helladrol did so I will take 3 pills a day, but I need to tighten my belt up and my shirts are loser around the mid-sec/tighter around my shoulders and chest which are positives.

Fight a dumb spring flu right now, so that stinks

 

[Francofranco]

Hey bro, sorry to hear about the pain. I've been there and so have many of us. It's true you can work through the pain but be very careful not to hurt yourself further. Sometimes a break is needed or just going with light weights or alternative lifts is beneficial at this time for you. The weight will come in your lifts, just be patient. If your treating your body like a sorts car or machine it just doesn't work that way and if so you may put yourself on the sidelines indefinitely!!!!! So be careful! One alarm that I recognize is the rest of your joints stiff or with pain. If you have access to getting bloods drawn maybe you can check your estrogen level. We need that estrogen especially in power lifting... With out it you'll feel like an old man haha no really one time got my estrogen real low and wasn't pleasant. Remember there's no magic pill, learn to listen to your body now stay healthy and you'll be just fine.

 

[hurricane]

The doctor believes/saw through an x-ray it has arthritis in the joint, but it looks like an old tear or calcium build up on one of my tendons. I told him to give me a shot first and see how the shot makes my should feel and then maybe later I will get an MRI if it does not feel better. It feels better but it hurt doing 225 straight bar bench (usually workout with 350 or 375).. which pissing me off.... If I use dumbbells around 75-90lbs it does not hurt so I will stick with them for awhile longer. when I ran on the treadmill (usually 3 miles) my ankles and knees hurt, but I just push through the pain (does not stick around after workout). I blame them on my crappy shoes that I have been wearing. I will looking into a massage.

I have not found BF% checker.. and I don't believe in the weight scales that supposedly tells you your BF%... it taking your BMI and saying blalalallalalal.

Still doing Steve's push, pull, and leg day routine. The primo dex has not given the pump as much as helladrol did so I will take 3 pills a day, but I need to tighten my belt up and my shirts are loser around the mid-sec/tighter around my shoulders and chest which are positives.

Fight a dumb spring flu right now, so that stinks

get your bf% checked at the gym bro,they should do it for free.Sorry to hear about the aches and pains brother hang in there.

 

[jgalb78]

Almost over this damn spring flu..coughing and hacking up junk, but I went to the gym. Right now I am taking 3 Primo dex, 100mg s4, 20mg GW (just started-got into my wife products for that one..lol), creatine, and LDG just ran out (lasted 30days).It was a leg day for me. I was pretty happy with my workout. I got my mind straight right after I got done with my running and told myself, " I am going to kill my legs and you better be ready." I did a quick 2 mile ran then went straight into my leg workout. I had some pretty bad leg pumps, but I am thinking that I was going at a good speed, 7.5 up to 9 for most of the time, was the cause of it.

Lifts:
Stright leg dead lift- 5x10x315
hip slide-------------- whatever 20plates plus slide is 5x10x? (I wanted to put a person on top of it like the lifting magazines/20 plates was not that hard wish I had a spotter to push up the weights)
one leg hip slide---- 5x6x200 or 220? (machine stack)
leg ext---------------- 5x8x240
leg curls-------------- 5x10x130.. last one to failure
caf ext----------------5xfailure x ? (think110)
abs-------------------- 5x25

let me tell ya I am cramping up tonight.. my cafs and hams are quick to cramp with a wrong movement... Drinking a ton of water to help with the cramps.

I would love to find a good weight lifting gym in my area... the only thing I have is the local YMCA, Planet Fitness, and a high school.

 

[hurricane]

Almost over this damn spring flu..coughing and hacking up junk, but I went to the gym. Right now I am taking 3 Primo dex, 100mg s4, 20mg GW (just started-got into my wife products for that one..lol), creatine, and LDG just ran out (lasted 30days).It was a leg day for me. I was pretty happy with my workout. I got my mind straight right after I got done with my running and told myself, " I am going to kill my legs and you better be ready." I did a quick 2 mile ran then went straight into my leg workout. I had some pretty bad leg pumps, but I am thinking that I was going at a good speed, 7.5 up to 9 for most of the time, was the cause of it.

Lifts:
Stright leg dead lift- 5x10x315
hip slide-------------- whatever 20plates plus slide is 5x10x? (I wanted to put a person on top of it like the lifting magazines/20 plates was not that hard wish I had a spotter to push up the weights)
one leg hip slide---- 5x6x200 or 220? (machine stack)
leg ext---------------- 5x8x240
leg curls-------------- 5x10x130.. last one to failure
caf ext----------------5xfailure x ? (think110)
abs-------------------- 5x25

let me tell ya I am cramping up tonight.. my cafs and hams are quick to cramp with a wrong movement... Drinking a ton of water to help with the cramps.

I would love to find a good weight lifting gym in my area... the only thing I have is the local YMCA, Planet Fitness, and a high school.

i like to do my workouts before cardio..I feel like my workouts suffer when cardio is done first.There are many other reason i prefer workouts first as well.

Try gatoraid for the cramps .When your body gets low on electrolytes ,you will start to experience cramps no matter how much water you drink.

 

[jgalb78]

I do like gatoride, but I dont like all the sugar and carbs it has in it. I feel at certain points of my workout running hinders it, but its a really good warm-up for my total body before I hit the weights. I got about a week left of the primo dex and then into Ox for my cutting cycle. If i could do the primo dex over I would use 3 pills right off the bat... that would make you buy two bottles for the cycle. I wonder if you could buy one bottle of primo dex and a extra bottle of Epi to increase that dosage to feel the pump and strength gain and not have to pay for the second bottle.. I am considering doing that for my Ox cycle... what do you guys think? I guessing I will need to do 3 pills of the Ox due to the similar compounds it has in it.... once again let me know what you think people.

 

[hurricane]

I do like gatoride, but I dont like all the sugar and carbs it has in it. I feel at certain points of my workout running hinders it, but its a really good warm-up for my total body before I hit the weights. I got about a week left of the primo dex and then into Ox for my cutting cycle. If i could do the primo dex over I would use 3 pills right off the bat... that would make you buy two bottles for the cycle. I wonder if you could buy one bottle of primo dex and a extra bottle of Epi to increase that dosage to feel the pump and strength gain and not have to pay for the second bottle.. I am considering doing that for my Ox cycle... what do you guys think? I guessing I will need to do 3 pills of the Ox due to the similar compounds it has in it.... once again let me know what you think people.

they also sell Electrolyte-Infused Water, that might be something you might want to look into good friend.

 

[stevesmi]

you are getting pumps here that is normal. glad to see you are getting them finally

 

[jgalb78]

Yesterday was a PUSH day and I killed my triceps and pecs. I think I went to heavy on bench, still recoverying from shoulder, but I could not help myself. I have not been able to straight bar bench forever. I had to stop at 315 with my reps, felt pain coming back in my shoulder, but I tell you my good arm was JACKED UP. I think if both arms were 100% I would of pushed over a freaken house. When I was benching my left arm (good arm) did not have a single strain or weak feeling when pushing the weight. I wish I could gauage my strength increase in bench... damn injury...

lifts:
straight bar bench......................................5x5x315
reverse straight bar bench........................5x15x135 failure sets
tricep ext......................................................5x8x120
cable cross over (high,med, low).............5x10x80
one arm tricep ext.......................................5x10x60 or 80? most time to failure
one arm tricep cross over ext...................5x10x45
skull crushers.............................................3x10x120
sitted bench press.....................................3x10x220
dips..............................................................5xfailure

I ran after my workout (hurricane suggested) and that was freaken hard. I got 2 miles and I was done. My cafs were trying to cramp for the first 1/2 mile, but I pushed through it and it went away or just forgot about (not sure what came first). I love zoneing out when you run it makes the time fly by. I am hoping the GW starts to kick in. I am not sure if I like it yet, but maybe that is why I felt stronger than hell when I was lifting. I am liking Steve's push, pull, leg routine.

 

[jgalb78]

you are getting pumps here that is normal. glad to see you are getting them finally

i should been taking 3 pills a day instead of 2 pills... at least I know now. Thanks for your help!!

 

[ibleedoranbla]

they also sell Electrolyte-Infused Water, that might be something you might want to look into good friend.

Try coconut water, nutritionally speaking it cannot be beat. Coconut water is the best possible thing you could drink intra workout and you can take it up a notch and add some BCAA's to it. I know a lot of people don't believe in BCAA's but I can't train without them, just my two cents.

 

[Jbranken]

At least you found the sweet spot. Very cool

 

[gymrat827]

Try coconut water, nutritionally speaking it cannot be beat. Coconut water is the best possible thing you could drink intra workout and you can take it up a notch and add some BCAA's to it. I know a lot of people don't believe in BCAA's but I can't train without them, just my two cents.

i read a big article/study that they are not needed nor do they really helpout if you are getting enough protein, but i disagree.

I think they are very good for intraworkout. especially if you start to sip them 30/35/40min into the workout and there is cardio after lifting.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

i read a big article/study that they are not needed nor do they really helpout if you are getting enough protein, but i disagree.

I think they are very good for intraworkout. especially if you start to sip them 30/35/40min into the workout and there is cardio after lifting.

Yea, I got in the habit of training with BCAA's when I would cut and do my cardio after I lift. I don't care what ans study said, I know that they helped me preserve mass during my cardio session. Now, I use them intra workout regardless if I'm doing cardio. It's worth my 20-30$ a month to ease my mind. Plus most of them taste good.

 

[RickRock13]

Yesterday was a PUSH day and I killed my triceps and pecs. I think I went to heavy on bench, still recoverying from shoulder, but I could not help myself. I have not been able to straight bar bench forever. I had to stop at 315 with my reps, felt pain coming back in my shoulder, but I tell you my good arm was JACKED UP. I think if both arms were 100% I would of pushed over a freaken house. When I was benching my left arm (good arm) did not have a single strain or weak feeling when pushing the weight. I wish I could gauage my strength increase in bench... damn injury...

lifts:
straight bar bench......................................5x5x315
reverse straight bar bench........................5x15x135 failure sets
tricep ext......................................................5x8x120
cable cross over (high,med, low).............5x10x80
one arm tricep ext.......................................5x10x60 or 80? most time to failure
one arm tricep cross over ext...................5x10x45
skull crushers.............................................3x10x120
sitted bench press.....................................3x10x220
dips..............................................................5xfailure

I ran after my workout (hurricane suggested) and that was freaken hard. I got 2 miles and I was done. My cafs were trying to cramp for the first 1/2 mile, but I pushed through it and it went away or just forgot about (not sure what came first). I love zoneing out when you run it makes the time fly by. I am hoping the GW starts to kick in. I am not sure if I like it yet, but maybe that is why I felt stronger than hell when I was lifting. I am liking Steve's push, pull, leg routine.

VERY nice update bro! Killing it!

 

[dylangemelli]

dose your gw 20 mg day... take it all 30 minutes prior to your workout...

 

[hurricane]

Yesterday was a PUSH day and I killed my triceps and pecs. I think I went to heavy on bench, still recoverying from shoulder, but I could not help myself. I have not been able to straight bar bench forever. I had to stop at 315 with my reps, felt pain coming back in my shoulder, but I tell you my good arm was JACKED UP. I think if both arms were 100% I would of pushed over a freaken house. When I was benching my left arm (good arm) did not have a single strain or weak feeling when pushing the weight. I wish I could gauage my strength increase in bench... damn injury...

lifts:
straight bar bench......................................5x5x315
reverse straight bar bench........................5x15x135 failure sets
tricep ext......................................................5x8x120
cable cross over (high,med, low).............5x10x80
one arm tricep ext.......................................5x10x60 or 80? most time to failure
one arm tricep cross over ext...................5x10x45
skull crushers.............................................3x10x120
sitted bench press.....................................3x10x220
dips..............................................................5xfailure

I ran after my workout (hurricane suggested) and that was freaken hard. I got 2 miles and I was done. My cafs were trying to cramp for the first 1/2 mile, but I pushed through it and it went away or just forgot about (not sure what came first). I love zoneing out when you run it makes the time fly by. I am hoping the GW starts to kick in. I am not sure if I like it yet, but maybe that is why I felt stronger than hell when I was lifting. I am liking Steve's push, pull, leg routine.

depends on what your focus is.I can tell you 100% that for me lifting after a long cardio session, my strength and stamina suffers, no what what im on.And thats not even going into the effects it has on muscle gain, which is awhole different subject that has differnt views

Cardio will probably suffer a bit if you do weight first also.I mean whatever way you cut it, the human body can only handle so much before fatigue starts to set in, no matter what way you cut it

The BEST and i mean BEST way to do it.If you want maxium intensity with both cardio and lifting, is to do them different days or atleast do a split routine, where the time is scattered.

 

[Francofranco]

I give you credit bro you're staying hungry and consistent. That's great!! I agree with hurricane it depends on your goals and what you're trying to do. For me I tend to limit my after workout cardio sessions. For me I think you have to gauge where that overtraining mark is but not to worry your hard work and experience will be your teacher if anything. Just remember that to lift those heavy weights you also need the rest and recovery. Did you get your shoulder massaged yet? When I was active in mma and powerlifting that was the only thing that really would help. That was my experience. Also eat bro and fluids. Gotta get those carbs in especially if your gonna be hitting the cardio with training days. Carbs are your friends. Try some shoulder therapy exercises involving the smaller muscles groups. Yes that means lighter weights lol. All in all I like your intensity, focus, and consistency. Keep it up!!!!!

 

[dylangemelli]

try doing early morning cardio or doing it before lifting... you will notice quite a bit of difference... stick with it bro... your going a great job so far... keep the good positive attitude and keep moving forward...

 

[jgalb78]

Okay brothers... Question for everyone, I have one more day with primo Dex and then I start Ox. Should just began with ,3 pills since its really close to the same products as primo? Or should I drop back to 2 pills again. The sweet spot for primo was 3 pills.

 

[Willindy120]

Great log, brother! I'm gonna run the same stack in a few months, so I'll be eagerly watching your progress! Keep up the good work

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[Francofranco]

Bro how long did you run the primoboldex? You're not gonna take a break til you start your next oral or did I miss something?

 

[jgalb78]

Bro how long did you run the primoboldex? You're not gonna take a break til you start your next oral or did I miss something?

About a month... And no I was not going to rest due to the consumption of the primo dex... 3 pills a day instead of 2 pill takes alot of time off the entire cycle that was previously thought it would take.

 

[jgalb78]

sorry it has been a couple of busy days. today was my day off of lifting and running. I truly believe I needed a day off. I have been pushing my body really hard. I am on to OX at three pills a day. I found with primo Dex that was my sweet spot so I kept it up with the OX. I am also taking GW and S4 on cycle. What I feel from taking OX is a lot more ... Tightness, Body heat... I am sweating a ton. It is leaning me out.. by no means I am like Dylan body shape but for I can tell. The aas or Gw is allowing to spend 2 hours and longer without feeling drained. I am loving it... Although my kids daycare bill is getting a little more expensive due to that. The night blinds has definitely kicked in at 125, but veins are popping and strength is definitely gaining. You know when others come up and ask how much weight that is and what are you doing then something is working. I also love see a little guy or girl get on a treadmill thinking that they will look good and run a ton longer just make them feel like shit because they had to quit or slow down..lol... Love it.

Shoulder is feeling little better but still not straight benching, pushups, or shoulder raises with it.

 

[dylangemelli]

sorry it has been a couple of busy days. today was my day off of lifting and running. I truly believe I needed a day off. I have been pushing my body really hard. I am on to OX at three pills a day. I found with primo Dex that was my sweet spot so I kept it up with the OX. I am also taking GW and S4 on cycle. What I feel from taking OX is a lot more ... Tightness, Body heat... I am sweating a ton. It is leaning me out.. by no means I am like Dylan body shape but for I can tell. The aas or Gw is allowing to spend 2 hours and longer without feeling drained. I am loving it... Although my kids daycare bill is getting a little more expensive due to that. The night blinds has definitely kicked in at 125, but veins are popping and strength is definitely gaining. You know when others come up and ask how much weight that is and what are you doing then something is working. I also love see a little guy or girl get on a treadmill thinking that they will look good and run a ton longer just make them feel like shit because they had to quit or slow down..lol... Love it.

Shoulder is feeling little better but still not straight benching, pushups, or shoulder raises with it.

you are good with 3 caps of oxandrovar a day bro... if that was your sweet spot on primobol then it is likely the same with oxandrovar... im very happy to see your results and that you are very happy with them... keep up the excellent work and keep the updates coming...

 

[jgalb78]

Just a quick update.... OX is going good and definitely feeling slimmer and the pumps from the S4 are great. I am starting L-Alb, today, really hit the cutting cycle hard for the rest of my on-cycle. Hoping to get the extra cardio with introducing this into my cycle. I will keep everyone informed.

Product on OX, S4, GW, l-alb, N2guard, LiqDex, TUDCA

 

[gymrat827]

Just a quick update.... OX is going good and definitely feeling slimmer and the pumps from the S4 are great. I am starting L-Alb, today, really hit the cutting cycle hard for the rest of my on-cycle. Hoping to get the extra cardio with introducing this into my cycle. I will keep everyone informed.

Product on OX, S4, GW, l-alb, N2guard, LiqDex, TUDCA

that looks like a great stack there buddy.....looks like a whole lot of fun

 

[Shrine1]

Just a quick update.... OX is going good and definitely feeling slimmer and the pumps from the S4 are great. I am starting L-Alb, today, really hit the cutting cycle hard for the rest of my on-cycle. Hoping to get the extra cardio with introducing this into my cycle. I will keep everyone informed.

Product on OX, S4, GW, l-alb, N2guard, LiqDex, TUDCA

Loving the log bro.. nice work, and glad you are liking the GK pro's as much I do

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[hurricane]

Just a quick update.... OX is going good and definitely feeling slimmer and the pumps from the S4 are great. I am starting L-Alb, today, really hit the cutting cycle hard for the rest of my on-cycle. Hoping to get the extra cardio with introducing this into my cycle. I will keep everyone informed.

Product on OX, S4, GW, l-alb, N2guard, LiqDex, TUDCA

great job bro, still following ya.

 

[jgalb78]

alright just got through the entire bottle of S4 today I was taking right around 100-125mg a day and yes I had some pretty bad night blindness, but it really did not mind it. I will tell everyone when the night blindness is gone. This will help people determine how long it took for me to regain my night vision. I have lost today date 17 pounds with Primo Dex and now OX and gain some good strength. I have to say I gain more on helladrol cycle, but still satisfied with my increase with the primo. The more I think about it..... if my shoulder was not banged up I would gain the some or more. I guess I will not know.. I base my strength gain soldly on bench press.. I know you should do that but that's what I do for strength. I think I will push the OX up to four pills a day to see how it feels and my body reacts to it. I am not sure how long I need to do 4 pills to justify the outcome. SUGGESTIONS?

 

[jgalb78]

Taking:
OX (2pills am & 2pills midafternoon), GW 20ml (10 am & 10 right before working), L-Alb 20ml (10 am & 10 right before workout), N2guard x7(3pills am & 4pills pm), Tudca x1 (night)

Update to the S4 side effects... still having night blindness, but it seems to be getting better (2 days past). I am taking 4 pills of the OX for the last couple of days and I have been getting some massive cramps in my legs and biceps. Looking to regain the strong feeling that I had with Primo Dex. Should is still bugging me which really sinks, but it is slowly getting better. My cardio is lacking the last few days due cramping or lost of drive or little of both. I need to get that drive back maybe going hard for the last 2 months have slowly broken me down. screw that idea... I just need to kick myself in the ass fight through this bullshit I am feeling right now. I have a PUSH lifting day so that mean my triceps, chest, shoulders, and little bit of abs for scheduled for today.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Taking:
OX (2pills am & 2pills midafternoon), GW 20ml (10 am & 10 right before working), L-Alb 20ml (10 am & 10 right before workout), N2guard x7(3pills am & 4pills pm), Tudca x1 (night)

Update to the S4 side effects... still having night blindness, but it seems to be getting better (2 days past). I am taking 4 pills of the OX for the last couple of days and I have been getting some massive cramps in my legs and biceps. Looking to regain the strong feeling that I had with Primo Dex. Should is still bugging me which really sinks, but it is slowly getting better. My cardio is lacking the last few days due cramping or lost of drive or little of both. I need to get that drive back maybe going hard for the last 2 months have slowly broken me down. screw that idea... I just need to kick myself in the ass fight through this bullshit I am feeling right now. I have a PUSH lifting day so that mean my triceps, chest, shoulders, and little bit of abs for scheduled for today.

Did you get better results from the primo than you are getting from the ox? I'm debating between the two.

 

[jgalb78]

The compounds seem pretty similar but felt stronger with primo Dex... I would recommend 3 to 4 pills a day or substitute a extra pill of epi

 

[stevesmi]

I would drop the S4 dose if you are getting night issues.. you want to hit the sweet spot without experiencing those sides.

 

[jgalb78]

I would drop the S4 dose if you are getting night issues.. you want to hit the sweet spot without experiencing those sides.

S4 is all gone for this cycle so vision should be returning shortly

 

[hurricane]

S4 is all gone for this cycle so vision should be returning shortly

Let us know how it goes.

 

[Francofranco]

Iam impressed how you keep pushing yourself and working through it. Great job man! You certainly have the guts just stay healthy. Those days you do go lighter or have off are needed by everyone to recover and grow. Keep it up bro!

 

[jgalb78]

Night vision is gone as of last night, so it took about 4 days to get it out of my system. I am down to a few days left of OX at 4 pills a day. My arms feel massive and I am loving run on the treadmill and lifting in the mirror. It gives a sense of pleasure to see my body transform. In few days I will start my PCT with MK and GW with unleash comb set. I am starting to use my HCgenerate a couple of days ago to help easy my way into my PCT. Looking forward to my PCT... I cant believe I am actually saying that...lol. I do think the taking 4 pills of OX has hender my running. I would remember doing 3 to 4 miles and now it hard to get 2 miles with the pumps that I am getting with running.

 

[hurricane]

Night vision is gone as of last night, so it took about 4 days to get it out of my system. I am down to a few days left of OX at 4 pills a day. My arms feel massive and I am loving run on the treadmill and lifting in the mirror. It gives a sense of pleasure to see my body transform. In few days I will start my PCT with MK and GW with unleash comb set. I am starting to use my HCgenerate a couple of days ago to help easy my way into my PCT. Looking forward to my PCT... I cant believe I am actually saying that...lol. I do think the taking 4 pills of OX has hender my running. I would remember doing 3 to 4 miles and now it hard to get 2 miles with the pumps that I am getting with running.

4 days is fast! Glad to hear.Looks like you are going along very well.I will be here follwing you right through pct.Osta/gw should help give you near the smoothest pct's you have ever ran.

 

[jgalb78]

I started my MK today to get that in my body before the OX wears out (1 1/2 day left)... kind of a precaution. I know it takes around 8-10 days to start feeling the effects.. at least that how it was in the past. I think I will wait on the clomid until June to start that.. unless you guys that it would be better to start right away.

Yesterday I killed my leg.. I love Steve's push pull leg theory.. I had the slide load up with weight and had people spotting me on both sides to make sure the plates did not fall off the bar.

taken right now:
OX (1 1/2 days left)
GW
L-Alb
MK
HCgenerate
N2guard
TUDCA

 

[ibleedoranbla]

I started my MK today to get that in my body before the OX wears out (1 1/2 day left)... kind of a precaution. I know it takes around 8-10 days to start feeling the effects.. at least that how it was in the past. I think I will wait on the clomid until June to start that.. unless you guys that it would be better to start right away.

Yesterday I killed my leg.. I love Steve's push pull leg theory.. I had the slide load up with weight and had people spotting me on both sides to make sure the plates did not fall off the bar.

taken right now:
OX (1 1/2 days left)
GW
L-Alb
MK
HCgenerate
N2guard
TUDCA

Did you experience any pumps with the Ox or did you use Taurine?

 

[jgalb78]

I used taurine most of the time until I ran out and yes I had some pumps.. I believe that is what made my running harder for me

 

[dylangemelli]

nice work so far... you will notice excellent strength and healing with mk... you are going to love it...

 

[jgalb78]

nice work so far... you will notice excellent strength and healing with mk... you are going to love it...

I hoping for the healing aspect for the most with this negating shoulder pain, but don't get me wrong bring on the strength as well.

 

[Francofranco]

If I had a guinea pig it would be you bro! Haha
i like that you stay consistent motivated and pedal all the way down!!! Hell yea!
Good job bro!

 

[RickRock13]

I started my MK today to get that in my body before the OX wears out (1 1/2 day left)... kind of a precaution. I know it takes around 8-10 days to start feeling the effects.. at least that how it was in the past. I think I will wait on the clomid until June to start that.. unless you guys that it would be better to start right away.

Yesterday I killed my leg.. I love Steve's push pull leg theory.. I had the slide load up with weight and had people spotting me on both sides to make sure the plates did not fall off the bar.

taken right now:
OX (1 1/2 days left)
GW
L-Alb
MK
HCgenerate
N2guard
TUDCA

I would start the Clomid just as soon as the Oxandrovar runs out. No reason to wait for it when you are ready to start recovering

 

[jgalb78]

Okay... I was thinking the mk or hcgenerate would mess with it... Thanks

 

[Shrine1]

I agree.. stay the Clomid as soon as you finish your Oxandrovar

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[jgalb78]

okay its been a few days since my last post.. I am in my PCT right now and I am feeling pretty really good. I was able to do some straight bar bench yesterday with a little weight on the bar (315lbs) it hurt my shoulder a little bit, but nothing like before...Cant wait to start throwing up the weight again on bench. I was hoping to complete in the Iowa Games this summer, but I think my should wont be ready. I hoping the MK is helping this out.. I think it is. I started MK about two weeks back to get it in my system before my PCT started. My veins are still popping which makes me pretty pumped while I am working out... Love seeing that!! My calf and quad pumps are slowly going away which is a huge plus when I am running. I started doing a couple of miles for warm up and then work out and then once I get home go for another 2 mile ran. I believe this is helping/shocking my system increase weight loss/stamina. I think ... ya I am addicted to working out again... LOVE IT.

Products right now:
clomid 50 (2 pills am)
MK 25ml (am)
N2guard 4 pills (2am and 2pm)
HCgenerate 5 pills (3am and 2 pm)
GW 20-30ml (15ml in am 10 to 15ml right before working out)
Keto burn 3 pills (1 before each main meal)
L-Alb 15ml (every 4 to 5 hours)
Liqdex AI (.5 ml am and 1ml pm ED) slowly taping it off to just .5 ED then .5 EOD-that the plan
TUDCA 2 pills

 

[jgalb78]

As if this morning down 21 lbs this was not my main goal as many as you know if you have been following my log. Legs are tired .. mainly doing two cardio session before lifting and hour or so after workout. I guess doing legs on those days does not help either... But Stevie push pull leg routine is great. If you don't have a routine in place... Do this routine..love it.

Question for everyone: Do you need an actual product that is labeled for PCT or is Clomid, N2guard, and Hcgenerate good enough for recovery. I am thinking it is but I like to hear others thoughts.

 

[gymrat827]

As if this morning down 21 lbs this was not my main goal as many as you know if you have been following my log. Legs are tired .. mainly doing two cardio session before lifting and hour or so after workout. I guess doing legs on those days does not help either... But Stevie push pull leg routine is great. If you don't have a routine in place... Do this routine..love it.

Question for everyone: Do you need an actual product that is labeled for PCT or is Clomid, N2guard, and Hcgenerate good enough for recovery. I am thinking it is but I like to hear others thoughts.

cardio before lifiting is a no no buddy.

clomid,hcgen,n2G is fine for pct.

 

[jgalb78]

cardio before lifiting is a no no buddy.

clomid,hcgen,n2G is fine for pct.

I know but I feel like it gives me a good warm up so that is why I do a short cardio workout before I lift.

 

[hurricane]

cardio before lifiting is a no no buddy.

clomid,hcgen,n2G is fine for pct.

i agree but alot of people love cardio before workouts.I am totally against it.

 

[stevesmi]

... But Stevie push pull leg routine is great. If you don't have a routine in place... Do this routine..love it.
.

thanks bro. glad I could help ya

don't go crazy if you are feeling hurt, allow your body to recover... I hit a PR recently and now I am backing off for the next couple months to let my body catch up

 

[ibleedoranbla]

i agree but alot of people love cardio before workouts.I am totally against it.

Permabulk....pretty boy is overrated.

 

[gymrat827]

I know but I feel like it gives me a good warm up so that is why I do a short cardio workout before I lift.

ok, but know you could burn a few more cals and get better growth with a 10min warm up and the rest done post lifting.

 

[jgalb78]

ok, but know you could burn a few more cals and get better growth with a 10min warm up and the rest done post lifting.

I've gave your idea a shot and it seems to be working out. I feel little stronger and I still run a little bit after my workout since its summer so it make is nice to see things. I am about 2 weeks into my PCT and I feel pretty good and my balls are back to normal. Sex drive is okay but not the best yet. Strength is still increasing and stamina is ok, but my weight loss is the biggest thing. I am not really trying but it is melting off. I am down 30lbs now.

Talking to Steve about Test Stack and I will be given that a try in a little bit during my PCT.

Taking:
GW 20ml
MK 25ml
L-alb 2 x 25ml
Clomid 50mg
HCgenerate
LiquidDex 2 x .5 ml
N2Guard 4 pills (2 am and 2 pm)

 

[hurricane]

I've gave your idea a shot and it seems to be working out. I feel little stronger and I still run a little bit after my workout since its summer so it make is nice to see things. I am about 2 weeks into my PCT and I feel pretty good and my balls are back to normal. Sex drive is okay but not the best yet. Strength is still increasing and stamina is ok, but my weight loss is the biggest thing. I am not really trying but it is melting off. I am down 30lbs now.

Talking to Steve about Test Stack and I will be given that a try in a little bit during my PCT.

Taking:
GW 20ml
MK 25ml
L-alb 2 x 25ml
Clomid 50mg
HCgenerate
LiquidDex 2 x .5 ml
N2Guard 4 pills (2 am and 2 pm)

test stack or hcgenerate es will work wonders.