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GHB BUST: Dozens held in date-rape drug probe

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Dozens held in date-rape drug probe
Four-agency, 70-city operation to be announced Thursday


WASHINGTON, Sept. 18 — Federal authorities have arrested dozens of people in 70 cities on charges that they sold the date-rape drug popularly known as GHB over the Internet, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/809831.asp
 
My cousin was just busted today. Ordered from Pelchat! If you have an order outstanding with Pelchat...

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If you have an order outstanding from any one of the following places clean your house & don't sign for shit...

European Cos******

Solvent Spe*******

Chems4*
 
What chemical are they busting? 1,4 butanediol? GBL or true GHB?

oh and does anyone know the legal status of 1,4 butanediol?

If possesion is nine tenth's of the law then i guess we don't own our 'own' bodies....

AaRoN
"FUCK AUTHORITY, silent majority! raised by the system, Now its time to rise against them, we're sick of your treason, we're sick of your lies fuck no we won't listen were gonna open your eyes!"
---Pennywise "Fuck Authority"
 
Law enforcement authorities make arrests in Internet operations
dealing `date rape' drug

PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer Wednesday, September 18, 2002
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(09-18) 18:13 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

In a clamp down on Internet drug dealers, federal, state and local
authorities said Wednesday they have made arrests and conducted
searches in dozens of U.S. cities where traffickers have used
computers to sell the "date rape" drug GHB.

Investigators conducted more than 150 searches and made a number of
arrests in a law enforcement sweep in more than 70 U.S. cities,
marking the first-ever probe of its kind involving the Internet and
GHB, said a federal law enforcement official.

The official said about 25 dealers were considered primary targets in
the investigation, which began two years ago.

The traffickers operated their own Web sites where customers could log
on and put in their orders for GHB and similar drugs, which would then
be delivered via the mail.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and Drug Enforcement Administration
Director Asa Hutchinson planned to detail the operation at a news
conference Thursday.

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the Customs Service and the FBI
also participated in the probe.

GHB is a mixture of common industrial chemicals that Congress outlawed
several years ago. The drug and its derivatives, GBL and 1,4 BD, act
as central nervous system depressants and cause drowsiness, dizziness,
nausea and loss of inhibition.

Education efforts by law enforcement agencies and the government have
been aimed at warning women about predators who could spike their
drinks with the drug.

People who use it refer to GHB as "G" and "Liquid X."

The DEA has documented 72 deaths from GHB and its derivatives.
 
First thing that was my cousin being busted. It was a controlled delivery.

5-6 weeks ago he orders GBL from Solvent Specialist. This is one place owned by Pelchat. This dude has been around for years. Sells GHB to other countries besides US. GBL to US customers. So anyway, 4 weeks go by an no package. My cousin contacts Pelchat. Pelchat offers refund or reship. My cousin chooses reship.

Last night plain clothes mailman knockes on his door. My cousins wife open door and attempts to sign for package. The "Officer" says, "No you can't sign for it. It's in *****'s name, he has to sign for it!" WTF right? So my cousin signs for it. Closes door and goes outside on patio. Opens the package and half of it is gone. My cousin has time to say, "What the Fuck?!" And here comes 17 DEA officers full SWAT outfits. They end up seizing his computer, some pharmies he didn't have a prescription for, weed, K & E. All for fucking 750 ml of GBL.

There's a newsgroup where they openly post sources for GHB, GBL, BDO. People have been having shipping delays from all the above sites. It's been weeks since they ordered and the package USUALLY arrives in less than two weeks. Well I go there and find a post from about Pelchat being busted and all his financial records and mailing lists being seized. And "date-rape drug dealers are being busted". Pelchat is in Canada & he was busted by our DEA! Then the news reports start coming in like the ones here.
 
thats fucking ridiculous...all that for 750ml's. I can't believe we are paying tax dollars for shit like that. Whole fucking SWAT team:rolleyes: - come on. And just around the block a woman is being raped. The law is fuck'd in this country.
 
Since when did gbl become schedule 1 I thought only ghb was. GBL and 1/4 I thought were legal but not legal to ingest. Anybody have an update on this.

Also you have to be fucking pathetic to go around trying to spike a girls drink to get laid. I cannot believe someone would actually do this. Personally I would not want to waste the stuff.
 
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How about 1/4. There has been no bill making this illegal as of yet as far as I know. Just curious as to why gbl would be illegal and 1.4 would not. I know 1.4 is an acid and is converted to ghb but why not? Anyone know?
 
everyone be careful, samething happend to my friends older brother yesterday. Swat team and fbi, don't know the whole story, not sure if it was a controlled delivery but it very well might have been. He was ordering from solvent specialist too.
 
GBL + NaOH will make GHB outside of your body. So this makes GBL a precursor.

BDO cannot be combined with any substance to make GHB. Just within your body.
 
Mackavelli said:
How about 1/4. There has been no bill making this illegal as of yet as far as I know. Just curious as to why gbl would be illegal and 1.4 would not. I know 1.4 is an acid and is converted to ghb but why not? Anyone know?
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As far as the legallity of BDO....dont think because it isnt specifically named that it isnt illegal. The DEA has a wonderful law called the Federal Analouge Act which states that any substance that mimics any Shecduled drug, in its effects, is also considered illegal. And you can be charged with possesion of the related substance. i.e. If you get bested with BDO with its similar properies of GHB...you CAN and WILL be charged with possesion of GHB... a Shedule 1 chemical.... Im at work so i cant research this further without getting myself in trouble for using the computer for illegal activities =-] I belive you can find info on the anolouge act at either www.erowid.org or www.bluelight.nu
 
taken from alt.drugs.ghb

"DEA was at my friends door yesterday, accusing his son of buying "the
date rape drug". Some company in Canada got busted, owned by some
crack monkey named "Pelchat", and the big fed guys said this guy
Pelchat gave up all his financial records, all his mailing lists, and
that he was selling GHB. I expect this guy "Pelchat" will get it
"real good" in prison."
 
basically people from my knowledge, none of these companies have ever required a signature upon delivery, SO DO NOT SIGN anything and make sure your house is spick and span
 
GBL is NOT scheduled again people, its is LISTED, damn how many times do i have to say this, its NOT illegal to possess pure GBL in its original container not dosed out or converted. However if they come in your house and you have scales, NaOH and some GBL all in the same cabinet, you may be in trouble. Here read this passage from www.deadiversion

The "Hillary Farias and Samantha Reid Date-Rape Prohibition Act of 1999" (Public Law 106-172) was signed on February 18, 2000. On that date, GBL became a List I chemical, subject to the criminal, civil and administrative sanctions of the Controlled Substances Act. On March 13, 2000, GHB was made a Schedule I controlled substance (65 FR 13235-13238).At the recommendation of the W.H.O., the Commission on Narcotic Drugs on 20 March 2001 added GHB in Schedule IV of the 1971 Convention of Psychotropic Substances
 
DRRman said:
GBL is NOT scheduled again people, its is LISTED, damn how many times do i have to say this, its NOT illegal to possess pure GBL in its original container not dosed out or converted. However if they come in your house and you have scales, NaOH and some GBL all in the same cabinet, you may be in trouble. Here read this passage from www.deadiversion

The "Hillary Farias and Samantha Reid Date-Rape Prohibition Act of 1999" (Public Law 106-172) was signed on February 18, 2000. On that date, GBL became a List I chemical, subject to the criminal, civil and administrative sanctions of the Controlled Substances Act. On March 13, 2000, GHB was made a Schedule I controlled substance (65 FR 13235-13238).At the recommendation of the W.H.O., the Commission on Narcotic Drugs on 20 March 2001 added GHB in Schedule IV of the 1971 Convention of Psychotropic Substances
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This is what I thought. It was news to me to hear that gbl was illegal. I concur w/DRRman. Still better safe than sorry.
 
Digger Dan, i don't know, the report on this thread is the only one i have heard of. The MsNBC article state they have already made all these arrests, or so it appears. Anyways, if you are involved in this in anyway people, just play it smart, clean house, act dumb
 
The other places "up north" I have already emailed to tell them what has happened. And asked them to remove all information about their customers. They probably don't give a shit...but I tried!
 
Yes a good friend of mine got popped last night. He had no G but did have some rolls and a little juice. They tore his house up! My name was dropped because (Get this!!!!) my former training partner who got me high the first time and who I did all my first 6 years of gear use with is now a cop (who juices) and is friends with my ex-wife and is all weird about our divorce and the fact that my gym failed and cost him a months membership :-( when it cost me my house drops my name all the time and tells people I deal (I do not) and that I am a big X head (I am not) and these are cops he tells this too! I hate a hypocritical son of a bitch! So when my friend gets popped my name gets dropped because they are fishing. Bastards! So last night I clean house and computer and do not get to eat until 12:00! I hate this shit!

Quad
 
It was just a matter of time. Since 3 people died recently in my province from GHB the RCMP was keeping an eye on it. Ordering GHB is crazy, it's the same as ordering K, coke, extasy.....

so for those 2-3 guys who were begging me for a GHB source recently ? WHat did I tell you ? I was right eh ?......
 
what if you have ordered from solvent specilist in the past???....i have a friend who ordered from them 6-9 months ago when he used to go out to the clubs all the time, but hasn't ordered from them since, should i let him know to watch out??
 
i think clubhead that to get in trouble they will have to set you up with possession of the GBL, search your house and find something there that will constitute an arrest, in most states pure GBL shipped as cleaner/remover isn't illegal by itself, but it could be seen as intent to manufacture a schedule 1 substance
 
does everybody else agree with DRRman???...i will see him at the gym tonight, so i wanted to let him know, just in case he had anything left and/or laying around...
 
I was doing cardio when I saw this on CNN. Inadvertantly I yelled out "Goddamnit, what bullshit!", since I had my headphones on It was a pretty loud yell. Needless to say I got quite a few weird looks/stares and a few half smiles from some of the other bro's that were watching.

I have been debating the GHB thing for years as my sleep has been screwed since puberty. Guess its answered though. I will be staying away from it for the foreseable future.:confused:

On a side note I wanted to shout out to all the idiots that havent a clue about GHB and explain to them how/why it was developed in the first place. Everyone believes the bullshit hype thats its a daterape drug. Drives me nutts how we can be so ignorant sometimes.:mad:
 
Mackavelli said:
Other than these sources should we be worried???
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I dont want to start a panic for any of the good bro's that supply GHB but for this to be on CNN and the print/tv media I would have to say yes. Obviously they have been putting some manpower into the GHB issue. Only the sources that cooperated or they had something on came into play but I am pretty sure they know of a lot more.

I guess its no different than gear exept I havent seen to many "Steriod ring busts" in a long time. The fact that they continue to portray GHB as a date rape drug and refer to the network as a "ring" leads mr to believe this.
 
Digger, I'm sincerely sorry and pissed for your cousin being arrested. I wonder though, do you know what he was charged with? Cause it would seem that since GBL is only a listed chemical, that if his house had been otherwise clean and he did not have the K, X, pills and weed, they wouldn't be able to do shit. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone were to hypothetically receive a controlled delivery of GBL, denied it and had a clean house, could they still be at risk of legal trouble or even arrested?
 
my question is...if we know somebody that has purchased from the sources listed from the net say 6-9 months ago, should those people be worried at all???...i am not saying my friend bought bottles and bottles, just one order and that was it...
 
clubhead said:
my question is...if we know somebody that has purchased from the sources listed from the net say 6-9 months ago, should those people be worried at all???...i am not saying my friend bought bottles and bottles, just one order and that was it...
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NO!
 
AnabolicusEroticus said:
Digger, I'm sincerely sorry and pissed for your cousin being arrested. I wonder though, do you know what he was charged with? Cause it would seem that since GBL is only a listed chemical, that if his house had been otherwise clean and he did not have the K, X, pills and weed, they wouldn't be able to do shit. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone were to hypothetically receive a controlled delivery of GBL, denied it and had a clean house, could they still be at risk of legal trouble or even arrested?
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In one of the news reports I read today about this whole mess, I read that John Asscroft is going to punish these drug dealers the way we used to punish drug dealers. Or something to that effect.

Anyway, my cousin was originally scheduled for arraignment 4 hours ago. But it keeps being pushed back and rescheduled. His wife called the court and they were extremely rude and told her that he will be scheduled for arraignment "when they get to it". WTF!

So the answer to your question is...he has yet to charged. They may get him on manufacture because of the GBL being delivered and GHB already in his possession. He had labware that was brand new...
 
The Nature Boy said:
what's kind of fucked up is that Chems** just sold the compounds needed to make G, not G itself.
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YES! Pelchat & his affiliates wouldn't even ship GHB to the USA or any country that has banned it. Only GBL!
 
i think there is more to this entire thing than being known here. I just don't see a controlled delivery of 750ml of GBL, hardly enough to make a gallon and its not even scheduled???? I think there has to be more evidence to get a search warrant on your house than you ordering a listed chemical as a cleaning agent. Anyways, everyone, just clean your house to be safe and i know for a fact you don't have to sign for anything from these companies, so DO NOT SIGN!!!
 
DRRman said:
i think there is more to this entire thing than being known here. I just don't see a controlled delivery of 750ml of GBL, hardly enough to make a gallon and its not even scheduled???? I think there has to be more evidence to get a search warrant on your house than you ordering a listed chemical as a cleaning agent. Anyways, everyone, just clean your house to be safe and i know for a fact you don't have to sign for anything from these companies, so DO NOT SIGN!!!
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Yes I think there is more too! I haven't talked to him directly yet but there has been a mention of NaOH being ordered but NOT delivered yet. And the NaOH being ordered from someone completely unrelated to this whole thing. So I don't think it is a factor in any of this mess. But I have NOT confirmed that.
 
yeh dan, if someone ordered NaOH, and GBL all from this company they will probably get a visit. I think there has to be more to this still, i mean 750ml of listed chemical shouldn't land anyone jail time.
 
They weren't even from the same company. I can't figure this out either. They are fucking him pretty hard though. He's been in for 24 hours without even seeing a judge yet.

I appreciate all the input though. From everyone! I'll keep you posted as things develop over the next day or two.

Thanks a lot!
 
Digger Dan, sorry to piss you off with my question...just wondered, better safe then sorry....sorry for what your cousin is going through along with you and his wife also...

also keep us all updated...
 
clubhead said:
Digger Dan, sorry to piss you off with my question...just wondered, better safe then sorry....sorry for what your cousin is going through along with you and his wife also...

also keep us all updated...
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IN NO WAY DID YOU PISS ME OFF!!!!! Sorry for that pissy one word answer.

I would not worry about a purchase several months ago. It's safe to assume that a purchase made 9 months ago would be gone. Finished. Nothing left. And the Feds would have a hard time convincing a judge that there WOULD be anything left.
 
CANADIAN ARRESTS

Canadian authorities also arrested three people in the Quebec City, including Daniel Pelchat, who operated several Web sites that advertised GHB kits and distributed them through the U.S. Postal Service. The Canadian ring was exporting the product to about 20 countries.

Officials seized $1 million in assets and 3,300 gallons of GBL and BD. The drugs seized equate to more than 25 million doses, which sell for $10 per dose on the street.

"Today's announcement is a dose of harsh reality for drug traffickers who seek to exploit the vast markets and anonymity of cyberspace," said Attorney General John Ashcroft ( news - web sites).

DEA officials said the major arrests included a mother and son team who sold the drug from Festus, Missouri. They had marketed the drug as Miracle Cleaning products since 1999 and hired mentally handicapped workers to mix the product.

Kevin and Ronald Brown of Sparta, Tennessee, marketed the drug on their Blue Raine Web site that sold ink jet supplies. They grossed more than $1 million, officials said. At least one person who bought the drug from them had died, they said.
 
scary I was just getting ready to order threw solvent ******. Are the days of gbl over too? INSOMNIA:eek2:
 
I dont think you guys truly understand how much power the Federal Analouge Act truly give the government. And i dont think you guys honestly take it seriously. It is very serious, and its very real.

I found some info on it at www.erowid.org like i promised an now im pasting it here.

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Appendix A
Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act of 1986
P.L. 99-570. Subtitle E, Title I.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SEC. 1202. TREATMENT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES

Part B of the Controlled Substances Act is amended by adding at the end of the following new section:

"TREATMENT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES"
"SEC 203. A controlled substance analogue shall, to the extent intended for human consumption, be treated, for the purposes of this title [Title I; "Enforcement"] and title III ["Interdiction"] as a controlled substance in schedule I."

SEC 1203. DEFINITION.

Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
"(32)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `controlled substance analogue' means a substance ---

"(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.

"(B) Such term does not include ---

"(i) a controlled substance;
"(ii) any substance for which there is an approved new drug application;
"(iii) with respect to a particular person any substance, if an exemption is in effect for investigational use, for that person, under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355) to the extent conduct with respect to such substance is pursuant to such exemption; or
"(iv) any substance to the extent not intended for human consumption before such an exemption takes effect with respect to that substance.".

SEC. 1204. CLERICAL AMENDMENT.

The table of contents of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Sct of 1970 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 202 the following new item: "Sec. 203. Treatment of controlled substance analogues.".



Now what this says in a nutshell...regardless of the substance...if they believe you are going to ingest or sell for the intent of ingestion any chemical that is slightly related to a Schedule 1 substance...they will arrest you and charge you with possesion and/or intent to distribute. This is the same law that if you sell asprin as extacy in clubs...they will charge you for distribution of extacy. Shady shit this law is.
 
This really sucks. I had trouble getting 1,4 awhile back off the web and contemplated a g kit. Its so so SO FUCKING sad they are tagging these helpful substances to "date rape" all over the media. I really feel for the dudes getting chomped. And with that crap the media is spouting its making regular joes life beyond embarrassing.
Nothing in excess is good for anyone but a little G here and there was a far superior reset button than alcohol and had benefits over weed too. I would guess the $$ is going to go up but new suppliers are right around the corner. That's the good thing about supply and demand.
 
i dont want to mention anything at all specific but....

my friend recently ordered a lot of 1,4 from a site and it has not arrived..

They have a great shipping method.. idont want to give any details at all but it has worked for him w/ no problems..

he normally recieves his package in a week after placing an order... its been about 2 weeks or so.. he saw on the news whats going on and is nervous...

if anyone knows some specifics could you please email me.. or could i email a mod maybe for some more details ...

i told him to clean out his place and not sign for anything..

be safe everyone....
 
I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, but I would like to give an opinion. I've never tried GHB, but I have seen some people at a club I used to work at G'ed out before and it sucked. I'm sure it can be used by people in a good fashion for certain purposes. But it is also a party drug and from what I know it's clear and tasteless/odorless?. It can be very dangerous and I'm sure it's not used as a date rape drug as much as alcohol, but I'm sure it does happen.

I don't usually feel too sorry for people who get caught with drugs that can get you high and can be dangerous if not used properly. Then when some of the guys who do get busted they have a lot of other things on them like weed, X, K, Coke, etc. I don't really feel sorry for them. Should I? I'm mean I don't like it when the government intrudes in my life, but I don't want this to turn in to a third world country either. I need these guys living next door to me and my family. Of course the media will blow it out of porportion and law enfeorcment will play to it.

Basically what I'm saying is if you want to do things like AS just be smart and safe about it. If you want to do mind/mood altering drugs that are illegal or you want to deal just except the consequences. Bottom Line!!!
 
BigD50 said:
I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, but I would like to give an opinion. I've never tried GHB, but I have seen some people at a club I used to work at G'ed out before and it sucked. I'm sure it can be used by people in a good fashion for certain purposes. But it is also a party drug and from what I know it's clear and tasteless/odorless?. It can be very dangerous and I'm sure it's not used as a date rape drug as much as alcohol, but I'm sure it does happen.

I don't usually feel too sorry for people who get caught with drugs that can get you high and can be dangerous if not used properly. Then when some of the guys who do get busted they have a lot of other things on them like weed, X, K, Coke, etc. I don't really feel sorry for them. Should I? I'm mean I don't like it when the government intrudes in my life, but I don't want this to turn in to a third world country either. I need these guys living next door to me and my family. Of course the media will blow it out of porportion and law enfeorcment will play to it.

Basically what I'm saying is if you want to do things like AS just be smart and safe about it. If you want to do mind/mood altering drugs that are illegal or you want to deal just except the consequences. Bottom Line!!!
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Let me just say that this is the most insanely hypocritical post I have ever read in my life. Who are you to place anabolic steriods on a pedestal above all other drugs...I guess you an expert who can attest why AS should be legal and all other mind/mood altering drugs should remain illegal...nevermind that there has been research showing the awsome capabilities of various enthogens and psycadelics for use in phsycological thereapy.

And a little FYI any chemical(drug) can be dangerous when used inproperly. Oh and you dont feel sorry for the people who keep dangerous chemicals(drugs) in their house?? Well I guess when your 11 year old son dies from huffing the gasoline you keep for your lawnmower...I wont feel sorry for you, because you kept a dangerous chemical in you house that can be used to alter a mood and get high.
 
Digger Dan said:
CANADIAN ARRESTS

Canadian authorities also arrested three people in the Quebec City, including Daniel Pelchat, who operated several Web sites that advertised GHB kits and distributed them through the U.S. Postal Service. The Canadian ring was exporting the product to about 20 countries.

Officials seized $1 million in assets and 3,300 gallons of GBL and BD. The drugs seized equate to more than 25 million doses, which sell for $10 per dose on the street.

"Today's announcement is a dose of harsh reality for drug traffickers who seek to exploit the vast markets and anonymity of cyberspace," said Attorney General John Ashcroft ( news - web sites).

DEA officials said the major arrests included a mother and son team who sold the drug from Festus, Missouri. They had marketed the drug as Miracle Cleaning products since 1999 and hired mentally handicapped workers to mix the product.

Kevin and Ronald Brown of Sparta, Tennessee, marketed the drug on their Blue Raine Web site that sold ink jet supplies. They grossed more than $1 million, officials said. At least one person who bought the drug from them had died, they said.
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Guys this goes a hell of a lot deeper than I originally thought. I did not realize that Blueraine would be part of this. This company has been down for over a year. I bet the web is much more entangled than we believe.
 
nekrawulf said:
I dont think you guys truly understand how much power the Federal Analouge Act truly give the government. And i dont think you guys honestly take it seriously. It is very serious, and its very real.

I found some info on it at www.erowid.org like i promised an now im pasting it here.

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Appendix A
Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act of 1986
P.L. 99-570. Subtitle E, Title I.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SEC. 1202. TREATMENT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES

Part B of the Controlled Substances Act is amended by adding at the end of the following new section:

"TREATMENT OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ANALOGUES"
"SEC 203. A controlled substance analogue shall, to the extent intended for human consumption, be treated, for the purposes of this title [Title I; "Enforcement"] and title III ["Interdiction"] as a controlled substance in schedule I."

SEC 1203. DEFINITION.

Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
"(32)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `controlled substance analogue' means a substance ---

"(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.

"(B) Such term does not include ---

"(i) a controlled substance;
"(ii) any substance for which there is an approved new drug application;
"(iii) with respect to a particular person any substance, if an exemption is in effect for investigational use, for that person, under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355) to the extent conduct with respect to such substance is pursuant to such exemption; or
"(iv) any substance to the extent not intended for human consumption before such an exemption takes effect with respect to that substance.".

SEC. 1204. CLERICAL AMENDMENT.

The table of contents of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Sct of 1970 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 202 the following new item: "Sec. 203. Treatment of controlled substance analogues.".



Now what this says in a nutshell...regardless of the substance...if they believe you are going to ingest or sell for the intent of ingestion any chemical that is slightly related to a Schedule 1 substance...they will arrest you and charge you with possesion and/or intent to distribute. This is the same law that if you sell asprin as extacy in clubs...they will charge you for distribution of extacy. Shady shit this law is.
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CORRECT!!! When I say that I helped market and develop En-Liven-I'm not joking. The guy that owned the company had his phone tapped for months..its serious to get caught with 1,4 and GBL as it is to have GHB

J
 
He has been arraigned. He is being charged with "Possession with Intent to Distribute".

They seized 780ml GBL & 2lbs NaOH! Let the truth be told. All the other stuff I mentioned was not in his possession at the time he & his house was searched. But get this shit...

About three weeks ago he asked me if I knew where to get AS. I said I might. I cut out a list I had and pasted it into an email and sent it to him. I did NOT send/forward him the actual list. Just cut and pasted it. Anyway my cousin had this list printed out and the DEA found it. So guess who they want now...ME!!! They asked, "Who is this Digger Dan?" And guess who told them...YUP!! My cousin! So I am expecting a visit any day now. I have nothing to worry about, but I really don't want my computer seized. Fuck I have 20 gig of music on that thing. And I track all my finances on it. Shit Shit Shit. Oh well.

Thanks for all the support!
 
I warned you guys about this two months ago...check out the thread "GHB...WATCH OUT". If I recall, I was flamed a bit for it. I HATE that we get busted for what we choose to do to our OWN BODIES. I wish everyone the best here...stay smart, folks.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
I warned you guys about this two months ago...check out the thread "GHB...WATCH OUT". If I recall, I was flamed a bit for it. I HATE that we get busted for what we choose to do to our OWN BODIES. I wish everyone the best here...stay smart, folks.
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Fukkenshredded, I went back and read your post and you're right. The Mods here keep a good lid on things for the most part but some things in that grey area get through. For example, look at the post about NCMP. I read that and to me that's as good as being a source post. But what do I know... :confused:
 
here's another article....
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By KEVIN SNOW
The Associated Press
9/19/02 3:19 PM


BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) -- Three Canadian men were indicted Thursday, part of a major
nationwide crackdown on Internet drug traffickers announced earlier in the day
in Washington by Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Dubbed "Operation Web Slinger," the investigation targeted individuals and
organizations suspected of being involved in the illegal Internet sale of the
"date rape" drug GHB, and its analogue drugs, GBL and BD.

Among those indicted in Buffalo was Daniel Pelchat, 40, of St. Etienne, Quebec,
the local U.S. Attorney's office announced at a news conference. The 24-count
indictment charges Pelchat with numerous violations involving the importation
and distribution of GBL and BD, conspiracy to manufacture GHB, and unlawfully
using the Internet.

More than 1,452 gallons of BD and GBL were seized from Pelchat's business and
residence Wednesday, during the execution of five search warrants conducted by
the RCMP in Quebec, authorities said. That amount is the equivalent of more than
20 million typical dosage units of GHB, which have a street value of $5-10 each.


Assistant U.S. Attorney James Kennedy said Pelchat is one of the biggest
providers of GHB in the world.

"He's even had a GHB synthesis method named after him," Kennedy said.

Also named in a separate indictment were Mark Frankland, 39, of Barrie, Ontario;
and Cameron Marsh, 41, of Midhurst, Ontario. Together, they are accused of
operating a Web site which is believed to have shipped approximately 5,000
orders for GBL, BD and/or GHB "kits."

Additionally, authorities said several Internet purchasers of these drugs, from
both Buffalo and Rochester, were also charged as part of the Buffalo
investigation.

Kennedy said the U.S. government intends on filing extradition requests for the
three Canadian citizens.

Along with the Buffalo investigations, Operation Web Slinger included
investigations in St. Louis; Detroit and San Diego, Calif.; Mobile, Ala.;
Sparta, Tenn.; and Quebec City, Canada.

A total of 115 suspected dealers in 84 cities were arrested in the United States
and Canada. Authorities announced that as part of the probe, they had conducted
enforcement operations in over 80 U.S. cities with drug seizures that could have
yielded more than 25 million doses of GHB and its derivatives.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has documented 72 deaths from the drugs,
which are sold over the Internet to teenagers and young adults by dealers who
operate their own Web sites. The drugs are delivered by mail
 
What would you do if you had pending orders with a different compnay not associated w/Pelchat? Would you refuse them if no signature or would you take them? This sucks
 
juicetothegills said:
Any dip-shit that has to use a Date Rape Drug to get laid needs to be fucking shot:mad:
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It's these "dip-shit"s that ruin it for the rest of us. All I have for them is a big...

:doublefi:
 
Digger Dan said:
He has been arraigned. He is being charged with "Possession with Intent to Distribute".

They seized 780ml GBL & 2lbs NaOH! Let the truth be told. All the other stuff I mentioned was not in his possession at the time he & his house was searched. But get this shit...

About three weeks ago he asked me if I knew where to get AS. I said I might. I cut out a list I had and pasted it into an email and sent it to him. I did NOT send/forward him the actual list. Just cut and pasted it. Anyway my cousin had this list printed out and the DEA found it. So guess who they want now...ME!!! They asked, "Who is this Digger Dan?" And guess who told them...YUP!! My cousin! So I am expecting a visit any day now. I have nothing to worry about, but I really don't want my computer seized. Fuck I have 20 gig of music on that thing. And I track all my finances on it. Shit Shit Shit. Oh well.

Thanks for all the support!
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Bro trust me on this one: Pelchat is bye bye .....there's even more than what you read in the newspaper. The RCMP had an eye on him for at least 4 months. It was just a matter of time. The day before, a co-worker told me they had something "hot" for tomorrow, the guy was smilling like a 5 yr old kid with Santa Claus. So wanna be safe ? smoke pot....
 
I though I would post this article from a local Minnesota Newspaper...

A Lakeville man was charged Thursday and eight other people were arrested in Minnesota and South Dakota as part of a federal crackdown on Internet trafficking of the "date rape" drug GHB and related chemicals.

More than 30 gallons of a chemical that converts quickly to GHB when it is ingested were found Wednesday in the Lakeville home of Doug S. Beck, according to charges filed in federal court in Minneapolis. Lakeville Police Chief Dave Martens said he had been told by federal authorities that it was one of the more significant seizures in the sweep this week across the country and Canada.

Asa Hutchinson, chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which coordinated the national operation, said dealers marketed the drugs in nearly every state and in several other countries. In the past couple of days, authorities arrested 115 people in 84 cities in the United States and Canada and seized enough chemicals to produce 25 million doses of GHB.

A gallon of GHB can produce more than 7,500 doses, said Skip Van Patten, head of the DEA region that covers Minnesota.

Inspector Sue Matt of the U.S. Postal Service's field office in St. Paul said more than 35 gallons of GBL and 1,4 Butanediol (BD), substances which when ingested convert to GHB, were seized in searches within her district, which covers Minnesota, the Dakotas and western Wisconsin.

She wouldn't identify in which cities law enforcement officers found the chemicals or where the eight people were arrested.

"GHB is the hot drug of the moment," she said. "That's why this operation was so successful, because a lot of people want this stuff. We anticipate more arrests."

Beck, 36, who has coached in metro-area schools and is also known as "Animal," wasn't among those arrested but has been charged.

A confidential informant said Beck was making $40,000 a month selling illegal substances and steroids over the Internet, the complaint said.
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Advice for all those in trouble - get the best attorney possible and dont say a word to anyone about the case except him.

This is going to be a very complicated charge to prove, especially like DRRMan said, GBL is listed, not scheduled. And Xyeum, by Orphan medical and approved by the FDA as safe and only a mild tranquilizer. Why not lock up the Orphan execs making the same thing?

This will be a extremely fucked up and complex process and hard to prove in court...

.....as long as you dont open your fuckin mouth and do their job for them!!!

And Pelchant better get ready for the date rape drug in prison..wait a minute, date rape, no?

I was thinking clubs. Clubs - date rape Prison - Gang rape.
 
From the several previous newspaper articles pasted above, it seems as if they are only going after dealers and not guys receiving or expecting small quantities like under a liter. Like DrrMan already said, 750 ml probably wouldn't be worth their time to set up a controlled delivery, especially if you don't have any GHB or chemicals like sodium hydroxide present. I mean the newspaper reports are claiming busts of 30 gallons for one guy and almost 150 for Pelchat. I wonder if Digger's cousin would have been charged with anything if he just was receiving GBL on it's pwn and his house was clean.

Also, in the pasted article article about Pelchat and two other Canadian guys being busted as well, it states that the latter two were separately indicted from Pelchat and ran another website together. If this is indeed the case, then one would assume that the two other suppliers with links on his site were not caught. Does anyone have any thoughts about that?
 
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Also download patch / registration key fix.

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Your hard drive might appear clean... but still be full of 'sensitive material' that you did not want to download in the first place and it might very well be a Serious Criminal Offence in your country to have that data stored on your computer even if you didn't know it was still there. You could go to Jail! Pressing 'Delete' or emptying your 'Recycle Bin' - or even 'Formatting' your disk - simply will not work, the 'sensitive material' will still remain on your hard drive!

You will be held responsible for any data which you allow to remain on your computer, even if it was only by accident. Even files and Internet Searches you have made which you thought you had never "saved to disk" can be recorded as permanent evidence on your hard drive.

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SirWanksalot said:
Hop on KaZaA and get --> Evidence Eliminator v5.054

Also download patch / registration key fix.

Sirwanksalot

----------
It is a proven fact... routine Forensic Analysis equipment such as EnCase and F.R.E.D. used by Private and Business Investigators, Law-Enforcement and others, can recover evidence from parts of your hard drive that you thought were empty, parts that you had cleaned.

Your hard drive might appear clean... but still be full of 'sensitive material' that you did not want to download in the first place and it might very well be a Serious Criminal Offence in your country to have that data stored on your computer even if you didn't know it was still there. You could go to Jail! Pressing 'Delete' or emptying your 'Recycle Bin' - or even 'Formatting' your disk - simply will not work, the 'sensitive material' will still remain on your hard drive!

You will be held responsible for any data which you allow to remain on your computer, even if it was only by accident. Even files and Internet Searches you have made which you thought you had never "saved to disk" can be recorded as permanent evidence on your hard drive.

You now have total protection... If you do not use Evidence Eliminator™ your PC is "a ticking Time Bomb waiting to go off!" Only with Evidence Eliminator™ can you get the protection you deserve, only now can you use your PC to explore the Internet with confidence.

The distinctive style and unsurpassed quality of Evidence Eliminator™ and it's rapid ongoing development and success have firmly established Evidence Eliminator™ as the world's premiere computer hard drive cleansing system!

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it wont do shit if they really wanna get the info. They use special hardware (magnetic sensor and stuff like that). The only way is too drop your HD in an iron bin with some kerosen and burn it...
 
I was thinking about this thread last night as I was watching the world news. FBI agents were testifying before a sub-committee on anti-terrorism. They made it clear how understaffed they were and how mountains of intel data is sitting waiting to be analyzed for possible terrorist threats.

While I believe that anyone who administers GHB or any drug to commit a rape should spend the rest of their lives behind bars without parole and if the victim dies of an overdose, it should be an automatic death penalty, I could give a shit about anyone that knowingly and willingly ingests GHB themselves and dies as a result. Teenagers and young adults can make decisions, they're not naïve.

If the US experiences another terrorist attack, I’ll be interested in hearing how Ashcroft justifies his redirection of FBI and Customs resources to bust up GHB rings when the FBI and Customs is seriously lacking resources to protect US citizens against terrorism. People that ingest GHB assume the risk of death. However, going to work or sending your kids to school shouldn’t involve the same risk. Wasting government resources trying to protect people from their own ignorance when we need the govt. to be guarding us against terrorism is ridiculous. Ashcroft should be redirecting the DEA to help the FBI filter though the possible terrorist intel, not wasting FBI resources on GHB dealers. It will be very sad indeed if a terrorist attack occurs and we had the intel the stop it, but it was sitting in a box waiting to be analyzed because the FBI was spread thin pursuing matters that are not a threat to the public as a whole or national security.

W6
 
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Local "trainer" here snagged as well. Caught him with a gallon of it in his home. Took all supps in the house and his corvette. This dude was very vocal about what he had for sale though, seemed like only a matter of time.

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wilson6 said:
I was thinking about this thread last night as I was watching the world news. FBI agents were testifying before a sub-committee on anti-terrorism. They made it clear how understaffed they were and how mountains of intel data is sitting waiting to be analyzed for possible terrorist threats.

While I believe that anyone who administers GHB or any drug to commit a rape should spend the rest of their lives behind bars without parole and if the victim dies of an overdose, it should be an automatic death penalty, I could give a shit about anyone that knowingly and willingly ingests GHB themselves and dies as a result. Teenagers and young adults can make decisions, they're not naïve.

If the US experiences another terrorist attack, I’ll be interested in hearing how Ashcroft justifies his redirection of FBI and Customs resources to bust up GHB rings when the FBI and Customs is seriously lacking resources to protect US citizens against terrorism. People that ingest GHB assume the risk of death. However, going to work or sending your kids to school shouldn’t involve the same risk. Wasting government resources trying to protect people from their own ignorance when we need the govt. to be guarding us against terrorism is ridiculous. Ashcroft should be redirecting the DEA to help the FBI filter though the possible terrorist intel, not wasting FBI resources on GHB dealers. It will be very sad indeed if a terrorist attack occurs and we had the intel the stop it, but it was sitting in a box waiting to be analyzed because the FBI was spread thin pursuing matters that are not a threat to the public as a whole or national security.

W6
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Good post but FYI: Daniel Pelchat, Judith Bélanger and David Rousseau were all arrtested in Canada. Pelchat will be sent to you folks in the US. While the 2 others will probably remain here.
 
manny78 said:



it wont do shit if they really wanna get the info. They use special hardware (magnetic sensor and stuff like that). The only way is too drop your HD in an iron bin with some kerosen and burn it...
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manny that is not true.

though i do not personally use the afforementioned softare, there are ways to eliminate digital traces without physical destruction....
 
Puc said:


manny that is not true.

though i do not personally use the afforementioned softare, there are ways to eliminate digital traces without physical destruction....
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well maybe but our tech guys wear that he could retrieve anything on an undamaged HD.... but I'm not a specialist....
 
IM so lucky

Im really good friends with my mailman. He delivers my mail everday and we have about a 5 minute chat each day. I was ordering from pelchat through a friend.
I delivered my packages within a 3 week time frame each time, with no problem. After i made another order 3 weeks later. The mailman told me that they are watching my mail. He was told to take any package that comes to me, and have it be inspected by the postal inspectors.

He told me i was big news in his post office, where all males are assorted. He told me that when my package arrives, that he will give it to me, but not order the product ever again! Or else i would be in big trouble. LUckily! i did get the package. ANd still up to this day, he tells me how lucky i am. ANd everyday my mailman gets the same qestion asked my the postal inspector. Has the package arrived yet? and he says no i haven't seen that package. Its good to have friends like that.
But i learned my lesson. ANd you guys should tooo! do no order GBL from Pelchat , european cosmetics . site again.
NEVER ! NEVER ! TRUST ME ON THIS!!
 
Hi,

My name is Daniel Pelchat. I think a lot of you know me. I know, lots of you won't believe it. Just check on alt.drugs.ghb.

I've been arrested on Sept 18, 2002 for conspiracy of manufacture GHB.

I've still haven't got my trial. The accusation is always delaying it cause their evidence is not ready.

I face 18.5 years firm in a USA jail. A guy who was selling in Canada got 2 months therapy. That's all.

I've been 3 months in prison before the let me go on bail. I've been in prison 60 days before I knew what were the charges against me.

If you got arrested, or get in the future. You say nothing. They usually can't do anything against you. Some people think that answering will help their case. That is not true. You can only deal that with the prosecutor, not the DEA. Thay will try to make you believe they have evidence they don't have. Like a friend who sold you or anything else. It's their right to lie to get you speaking.

They used false evidence against me. Like saying they ordered from Europencosmeticslabs and got their package from PelchatLabs. PelchatLabs was selling to other countries than USA. It was clearly written that PelchatLabs stopped selling to the USA more than two years ago (before it was illegal). Pelchat Labs has stopped selling altogether when all that happenned.

They tried to use undercover agents to make me sell GBL to someone who told me it would be used to make GHB. I always refused. I have that in the evidence and a lot of other evidences that will help me. They seized 73000 emails I received in 40 days. I answered all the emails that were addressed to me. None can be used as evidence.

GBL based Nail Enamel Remover and Glue Solvent are still sold legally and openly in tens of thousand of places in the USA.

Please email me if you need help or if you can offer help (in fact I need some, not asking for money :-).

Daniel Pelchat
 
Since when is ghb a date rape drug? I thought rohiphinol was the date rape drug? Last week I think someone gave my sister one of these drugs. She only drank 5 drinks, but came home and was in a unconcious retarded state after throwing up a lot. She went to the hospital and her blood alcohol level was nowhere near alcohol poisoning. They didn't test for drugs but I bet this is what happened to her.
 
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