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just a quick post for all you guys contemplating using growth horomone....think about it carefully....for the past month and a half, i havent gotten a single good nights rest. i keep waking up with my hands numb and cramped...and in serious pain. i wake up at least four times a night, and ill tell you this sucks...to me, the gains that i may have gotten from this stuff do not outweigh the side effects, and aside from that its very expensive...so just a friendly bit of advice, consider what your doing before you jump right into using growth...by the way, i use jintropin, at 4i.u.'s a day..maybe you want to use less?
 
showmeyourtints said:
just a quick post for all you guys contemplating using growth horomone....think about it carefully....for the past month and a half, i havent gotten a single good nights rest. i keep waking up with my hands numb and cramped...and in serious pain. i wake up at least four times a night, and ill tell you this sucks...to me, the gains that i may have gotten from this stuff do not outweigh the side effects, and aside from that its very expensive...so just a friendly bit of advice, consider what your doing before you jump right into using growth...by the way, i use jintropin, at 4i.u.'s a day..maybe you want to use less?
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Maybe you should drop back to 2 or 3 iu/day and see if your side drop.
 
i always used 4iu/day of seostim when i used to use GH, but i believe your jintropin probably is the 8mg 1. mine was only 6. lower your daily dose to 2 or 3iu. i always felt marvelous when on GH.
 
I know it would be hard to say but in your opinion how much gh would you have to take to get those really bad sides like the big gut, long forehead, etc
 
On Jintropin @ 2 iu's ed for about 6 weeks now. No problems at all, feel great
actually. I would like to feel that numb hands at least once, bc this non feeling anything of it makes me doubt the shit some times..
Planning on upping it to 4 iu's for a week to check it out.
This stacked with a weekly 250mg testo-e, 200mg deca, 100mg winstrol, 25mcg T3 ed, 2 clenbuterol and 10-20mg nolvadex..
Works great. Good luck to ya'll
 
bump..yeah, i was stacking with eq, clen and t3, and tren...ive made awesome gains..in one month my body fat is down 4%, with only one pound less in body weight, and ive definitely noticed my vascularity increasing. i guess the only positive to the numbness was knowing that it was working. as far as growth gut and forehead turning to fivehead, i think it would take a couple years, at like 8-10 i.u.'s per day...maybe?
 
showmeyourtints said:
bump..yeah, i was stacking with eq, clen and t3, and tren...ive made awesome gains..in one month my body fat is down 4%, with only one pound less in body weight, and ive definitely noticed my vascularity increasing. i guess the only positive to the numbness was knowing that it was working. as far as growth gut and forehead turning to fivehead, i think it would take a couple years, at like 8-10 i.u.'s per day...maybe?
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How many GH did you take?
 
showmeyourtints said:
just a quick post for all you guys contemplating using growth horomone....think about it carefully....for the past month and a half, i havent gotten a single good nights rest. i keep waking up with my hands numb and cramped...and in serious pain. i wake up at least four times a night, and ill tell you this sucks...to me, the gains that i may have gotten from this stuff do not outweigh the side effects, and aside from that its very expensive...so just a friendly bit of advice, consider what your doing before you jump right into using growth...by the way, i use jintropin, at 4i.u.'s a day..maybe you want to use less?
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I was thinking.. You sound like a GH newbie, no offense but one month and a
half of crappy sleeping and now you start telling us to watch out for GH??
Use a lighter dose you do feel good with, do this for a few months. Then
please come back and share with us again what you now think of GH.
Why do you start injecting such a hormone into yourself, not knowing everything about it first?

It only has to do with these things for most of the BB-ers in my opinion:
1] how much can you pull out of your bank account while keeping enough left
to eat accordingly while using the substance
2] Do you then have money left for some good insulin and T3?
3] How much are you willing and able to study about it before you start in
order to go through and finish with good results and good health.
3] Better said GH is for the professional (competing) and advanced bodybuilders or those who have their own GH-Guru that guides them.

I think it's not just for serious bodybuilders. All of us trying to build, shape
and/or tune our body or a body part the way we like it to be are damn
serious, but we don't all do GH with that, right Anthony Starks?

Oh well, I know there are so many amateurs trying GH too, thinking it will
make all the change. Been there..
To give it a good try, money worth, one should go for a quite busy intake schedule like some of us probably follow (multiple shots ed and quite some pill
taking.. right folks)
 
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can you risk getting cancer that would of been otherwise DORMANT in your system till you died. hgh speeds it up/activates the cancer. if you think im bullshitting just use search button
 
can you risk getting cancer that would of been otherwise DORMANT in your system till you died. hgh speeds it up/activates the cancer. if you think im bullshitting just use search button
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get a full body scan before you start. have them look for hot spots. if you have them, gh might not be a good choice. if your clean and healthy, why not try it?
 
you are supposed to ramp the dose upwards to avoid those side effects
 
Every one is different. I'm just doing 1 iu every other day and I've got a lot of unpleasant side effects, including cramping and sweats. I took some advice from ed2005 and added more water and that helped a lot.

In my case, I could sleep 10 hours a day.

It has only been 30 days and I'll ride it out for 90.
 
For the avg gym rat, I don't think it's worth it when most of them don't even pay enough attention to their diet and lifestyle outside of the gym(getting enough sleep/having a low stress-minimal physical labor job) to maximize the effects of the AS that they take. However, if you have endless amounts of cash to blow, and you don't have any genetic predispositions for getting cancer in your family history, you might really like what GH does for you. Then again, I know many guys that used GH, and for whatever reason, it didn't really do shit for them to justify the $$$ and risks involved.
 
So much ignorance in regards to gh. The only proven studies where gh raised the risk for cancer was a kind that was used from the 50's to the 80's, it was harvested from cadavers. I have talked to many doctors and done hours of research on gh. I challenge you to find a study that proves synthetic gh causes "dormant cancer" to awaken. Gh is better taken for long periods of time at lower doses to compliment your other drugs and training. I have been on it for 5 months now at 2 iu's a day and I love it and will take it for the rest of my life. If you have wrist pain (carpal tunnel) cut your dose back till you don't have it anymore and stay on for a while then see how you feel.
 
bullandbear said:
So much ignorance in regards to gh. The only proven studies where gh raised the risk for cancer was a kind that was used from the 50's to the 80's, it was harvested from cadavers. I have talked to many doctors and done hours of research on gh. I challenge you to find a study that proves synthetic gh causes "dormant cancer" to awaken. Gh is better taken for long periods of time at lower doses to compliment your other drugs and training. I have been on it for 5 months now at 2 iu's a day and I love it and will take it for the rest of my life. If you have wrist pain (carpal tunnel) cut your dose back till you don't have it anymore and stay on for a while then see how you feel.
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Now we're talking..
 
bullandbear said:
I challenge you to find a study that proves synthetic gh causes "dormant cancer" to awaken.
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So you're implying that because there has been no studies done to show this that it can't happen?

Doesn't GH speed up cellular growth? Wouldn't that include malignant cancer cells in some cases as well?

Don't get me wrong, I like GH too, but I'm not confident enough in any info I've read to say that it will, or won't, cause any major health problems somewhere down the line. 99% of everything published anywhere on any given topic is pure bullshit. For me to sort through all of the positive and negative propaganda on GH out there it would probably take years to be able to form my own opinion on it's risks vs rewards.

Just look at sites like errovid and freevibe-both are sites for 411 on recreational drug use, but the spin is quite different. For instance, errovid claims marijuana is a relatively benign substance that poses very little risk to the user. Yet freevibe says it's an evil gateway drug that's more dangerous than cigarettes. Which do you believe? If you smoke pot, most likely errovid.

I'm not flaming you at all. But your opinions are widely based on your own knowledge of facts that you've procured on your own, which could be mistaken by some as merely an addict justifying his addiction.

If you can convince me that using synthetic GH use poses absolutely no risks to the user, I'd be quite greatful.
 
Yes, gh could theoretically cause existing cancer cells to grow. However the body's immune system fights cancer by itself. Gh boosts the bodies immune system which makes it better at fighting cancer cells that pop up. The clinic in cancun followed 800 patients and had less instances of cancer than the average population. I have to run out right now but I will post a link to a book you can purchase on gh that has some great info in it.
 
bullandbear said:
So much ignorance in regards to gh. The only proven studies where gh raised the risk for cancer was a kind that was used from the 50's to the 80's, it was harvested from cadavers. I have talked to many doctors and done hours of research on gh. I challenge you to find a study that proves synthetic gh causes "dormant cancer" to awaken. Gh is better taken for long periods of time at lower doses to compliment your other drugs and training. I have been on it for 5 months now at 2 iu's a day and I love it and will take it for the rest of my life. If you have wrist pain (carpal tunnel) cut your dose back till you don't have it anymore and stay on for a while then see how you feel.
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I'm staying on it as long as I can get it. I'm 38 and want to stay young looking and built. I'll keep the doses low so I can afford it and minimize the sides. I was on 4ius a day and backed it down to 3ius to get ride of some sides like my shoes would not fit and my bowling ball had to be redrilled from the water retention.
 
I was on HGH for over 3.8 years and I was taken off when the Dr. found out I had cancer of the R kidney. I had a pituitary tumor in 90 whick I took meds and it was alright. I had a chance to get on HGH when my endocrinologist suggested it might be something that would interest me. He did a test where I fasted for 14 hours and when in to get a dose of insulin to see if my body would pull itself out before going into a diabetic coma. After 20 minutes I could'nt take it any longer,stomach was upset,palms began to sweat and I saw rings around everything I looked at.Pupils were bigger then my iris I was told. My blood sugar level was at 69 when I started the test and after 20 mins the Dr. said oh my God we beter get you down which a glass of orange juice did it right away. Anyway my Dr. then said well get you on HGH . He put me on 4ius ED of somatropin by upjohn. That was august of 2001 and I was taken off when he found out I had cancer. My R kidney had a 4" X 5" tumor on it that was 9cm thick. I had it removed june 28th with the tumor on it still. I was lucky too because they said they did'nt think it would be too long before it matastisized(spread). I'm fine now and I have been back in the gym for 5 weeks and getting stronger every day. I lost a friend to kidney cancer this year too. Was it a mistake for me to get on HGH ? Do I think it cause the cancer? There's a good chance it did because my kidney were both larger then normal. I don't think there is any thing wrong with doing HGH for a couple of months at low doseage but when I hear of people doing it for years or longer it makes me stop and think ,should I bother to say anything ? When I think it involves someones life or health then I guess you know the answer because I'm here now,are'nt I. I got my HGH from the veterans hospital and you know they have the finest HGH out there. My surgery was done by loyola surgeons. There I said it.
 
hgh man, you say you had cancer in 90 before taking hgh and your kidneys were enlarged when they rermoved it. I'm curious what your age is and if you were taking anything else at the time.
 
i agree that staying on for more than a few months is not good. i would not stay on for more than 6 months. first time i did it i was on 10 weeks. second time 20. planning on doing it in feb for 5-6 months. last time(s) i used 4iu/day 5 on/2 off. next time i will use 2iu/day 5 on/2 off. last time(s) i used serostim 6mg. next time jintropin 8mg. HGH man that's some scary ass shit. glad u r ok. your days of gh and juicin are done i guess right?
 
The board I'm giving here below runs from 27 March 1999 up to today
6+ years, nearly 9143 posted subjects. All posted by REAL males/females using
HGH (injectable) for especially anti-aging, losing weight and more.
Most of them use daily doses like 1-1,5 iu every day for years.. I even read about some 45+ males adding a low dose testosterone with it and having the time of their life again (energetic, stronger, libido+) while losing weight and
adding muscle. Anyway, what I wanted to say is this:
The founder of this board (Ellis Toussier) says there has NEVER been a case of
people getting into any kind of cancer problem due to HGH usage under all who
users that shared their personal stories the past 6 years. I think it's some
nice extra info to learn from those who are using HGH for live or 1-2+ years.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rejuvenation/messages/9142?viscount=-30
 
It strange that my Dr. pulled the HGH from me the day he found out that I had cancer. Maybe I'm a unusual case although he said HGH makes cancer cells grown faster. He's located in loyola for 27 years also. How would he know HGH makes cancer cells grow faster ? Studies that are available to the Drs. only. Check to see if he is an endocrinologist before you make any claims from him. 1½ units is a low dose and that what I would advise anybody to take also.
 
on page 289 Dr.Klatz says "Now there is concern that growth hormone replacement could trigger cancer cells to divide more rapidly and promote the growth of a tumor"Pharmacia /Upjohn :while specific tests for cancer causing potencial have not been done with HGH tests in cells in cultures and on chromosones in living animals have not reveled any evidence of mutation,the first step in the developement of cancer. It is still an unanswered question whether growth hormone increases the possibility of cancer. Quoted from the Book by Ronald Klatz.
 
HGH man said:
I was dignosed with a tumor in 90 and had cancer this year. Anything else I took was human grade.
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Ok, Im confused. You had the tumor before you started gh, or after?? And you say you ran 4iu for almost 4yrs straight, at which point you were diagnosed with cancer??
 
HGH man said:
on page 289 Dr.Klatz says "Now there is concern that growth hormone replacement could trigger cancer cells to divide more rapidly and promote the growth of a tumor"Pharmacia /Upjohn :while specific tests for cancer causing potencial have not been done with HGH tests in cells in cultures and on chromosones in living animals have not reveled any evidence of mutation,the first step in the developement of cancer. It is still an unanswered question whether growth hormone increases the possibility of cancer. Quoted from the Book by Ronald Klatz.
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Yes it is still an unanswered question. Everything we take here has unanswered questions. But in his book he cites the study done by the clinic in cancun 800 patients had less occurance of cancer than the general population. You had cancer before you ever took hgh then you took 4iu's for an extended period. You had a much higher risk factor for cancer without hgh then you were on an overdose of hgh for an extended period of time. Do you know what your igf levels were during this period?
 
No, I did'nt have cancer before I started HGH. I was diagnosed in may 15,2005 and took HGH for 3.5 years prior to that.
 
Outlaw, I had a pituitary tumor in 90 that was found to be what was causing me so many problems. I started HGH from my endo in 2001 and in may of this year I was found to have cancer of my kidney(R). The tumor on the pituitary and on the kidney are not related. Does that make sence?
 
I'd like to chip in if I may.... To the originator of this thread, your hgh dosage is the problem, 1 to 2 ius of Jinnos 5/2 is more than enough and taken over 6 months for best results. I have found that higher doses produce no more benefits than lower doses but are conductive to more problems. I believe that in the case of HGH, more is most definately not better. As for HGH man, he is a great living example of the benefits of hgh as he would point out himself. He was a great admirer of the stuff and the way it made him feel and look but he has since experienced a downside and he's really just trying to help by pointing out a very real side effect, a side effect that nearly caused him his life. I think the moral of the story is, if your going to use it, use it sensibly, get screened and tested just as you would with AAS. Whilst I don't subscribe to the fact that HGH causes cancer it is inevitable that if you are predisposed to the condition HGH will certainly contribute to its excelleration and progression within the body.
Good to hear from you again Phil, hope all is good with you.....
Cheers
Ed
 
ed2005 said:
I'd like to chip in if I may.... To the originator of this thread, your hgh dosage is the problem, 1 to 2 ius of Jinnos 5/2 is more than enough and taken over 6 months for best results. I have found that higher doses produce no more benefits than lower doses but are conductive to more problems. I believe that in the case of HGH, more is most definately not better.
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I would like to know how you came to this conclusion, because there are many people who would disagree.
 
Outtlaw said:
I would like to know how you came to this conclusion, because there are many people who would disagree.
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I'm sure your right, there are many who believe that anything under 8ius is a waste but then its like any substance, it's a personalised thing. While there are many who would disagree with my smaller dose theory, there are also many, some who contributed to this thread, would agree with me. My conclusions come from personal use, trial and error, my own experiences, and whilst not applicable to everyone, they do stand up in the majority of cases certainly with reference to GH sides. I have used GH consistantly without any AAS so my results are GH based only. Yes, I am an older bro which can make a difference with its results but the age issue usually doesn't come into play with sides.
Cheers
Ed
 
1-2iu for 5-6 months in your opinion is more than enough?...*throws hands up in the air*

yeah...im sure every national level and pro competitor that makes 50K or over a year totally agrees with that *shakes head*
 
drop it to 2iu and take from there. stay at 5/2. that's strong 8mg jin right? i never did it but did serostim 6mg and got great results off 2-4 5 on 2 off. drop your dose and drink alot of water.
 
Not good idea to take 2 days off unless money is an issue,in wich case you shouldnt be messing with gh because you really dont start noticing anythin untill 6 months in.
 
thelion2005 said:
Every one is different. I'm just doing 1 iu every other day and I've got a lot of unpleasant side effects, including cramping and sweats. I took some advice from ed2005 and added more water and that helped a lot.

In my case, I could sleep 10 hours a day.

It has only been 30 days and I'll ride it out for 90.
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jus curious I got similar sides are we talking adding more water when mixing with the gh? If so how much more is necessary?

Thanks
 
NPBCH said:
jus curious I got similar sides are we talking adding more water when mixing with the gh? If so how much more is necessary?

Thanks
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i haver been on for 2-years now no problems at 2-ius i have ramped up to 6-ius and starting getting numbness and went back down all is good at 2-ius.
 
I have 12mg of genotropin , on a insulin needle u-100 how much do I inject to get 2iu, I heard u inject 20 on Syringe to get 2iu.. These vial usually come with the pen, but I don't have it so I am using u-100 insulin needles.. They said there is 36 iu in vail.. I would appreciate any help
 
Sethrow said:
I have 12mg of genotropin , on a insulin needle u-100 how much do I inject to get 2iu, I heard u inject 20 on Syringe to get 2iu.. These vial usually come with the pen, but I don't have it so I am using u-100 insulin needles.. They said there is 36 iu in vail.. I would appreciate any help
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