Gh, insulin, igf-l? How much mass will these add to your physique?

[UA_Iron]

A bigger heart is usually an indication that there's something wrong and is generally considered bad.

If it has to work harder than it should it will be enlarged.

 

[shape]

Bigger heart wouldnt shorten your life, think of have many beats you save a day because your heart doesnt, have to pump as fast, like maraton runners have huge hearts some of them have been reported to have a 30 bpm resting hr. Those fukers are can live up to 110 years.

where do you get a bigger heart has to pump less?????

name some marathon runners that have lived to 110 years of age and reports showing they have huge hearts???


30 BPM ???? post those reports- i think you would be practically dead at 30BPM

 

[Excidium28]

There are enlarged unhealthy hearts that normaly grow to compensate for a deficency in the efficent as hearts that grow larger through training. Their interior volume, despite their exterior size is strong and healty, is relitevly large and highly efficent, pumping more blood with each stroke and with less effort.

Conditioned hearts, as they grow larger and stronger, can beat more slowly because they're pumping more blood with each stroke. Nearly all of the great distance runners have low heart rates. In fact some are reported to have a resting rate of 32 beats per minute.

Look at Clarence Demar "Mr. Maraton". During his lifetime he participated in more than 1,000 long distance races. He entered the 26 mile boston marathon 34 times winning 7 and finishing inthe top 10 on 15 other occasions. He ran his last race at the age of 69 a simple 10-mile affair. He died of cancer a year later. His family allowe4d an autopsy; his heart was amuseum piece, but the most striking finding was the condition of the coronary arteries the arteries that supply the heart muscle. They were 2 to 3 times the normal size. Some sedentary people not only have smaller arteries,
but they are cloged with debris which reduce the openings even more.

 

[ATLmuscles]

... Please post up your real world experiences ATL, I want to pick your brain and figure this out!

Majutusu pm'd me for info on cycles I have used and GH result, so I will post that response here, as it is of interest to others following this thread. I do believe GH makes a HUGE difference in gains that can be realized when combined with AAS, insulin, and thyroid hormones, but I think alot of lack of positive results guys note is because of improper usage of GH and/or failure to combine with insulin and t3, which work synergistically with the GH at prodcuing IGF1 in th eliver and resulting muscle mass gains.

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Re: intro and question

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I do keep VERY thorough records of my cycles and results, but I prefer not to share those details online with someone I don't know. I hope you understand.

I will tell you that GH was the factor to help me take my goals to "the next level." I've tried anywhere from 4-8iu/d at different times, seeming to cross a threshold when i went from 4 to 6, but not going up again to eight; I would like to up that again to see if I cross another threshold, but cost is always a factor too! Since this was the only new component added to my regime at one time, I could conclude that this was the biggest (only?) factor in enhancning my results.

In a nutshell, it seems that the GH allowed me to eat huge amounts of macronutrients without adding much fat while bulking. When used in cutting, I could not be as conclusive, as there were more variables in the strategy (diet and chemistry,) but I am convinced that GH allows one to retain more lean muscle mass when cutting than if it were not used.

Lean mass growth aside, I think it is important not to overlook that GH will aid in growth and strengthening of supportive tisuues (ligaments and tendons, etc.) which AAS do not. This of course helps to avoid injuries caused by the muscles gaining stregth so quickly that the connective tissues can't "keep up" and fail under the load of heavy training weights.

Does that help?

 

[majutsu]

It sure does, great post!

 

[x_muscle]

there is no evidence on GH anabolic effect, but there is enough research to confirm IGF-1 anabolic effects on skeletal muscle.

 

[BionicBC]

there is no evidence on GH anabolic effect, but there is enough research to confirm IGF-1 anabolic effects on skeletal muscle.

all those studies were done in MICE/RATS, and if you make a comparable dose for humans it s in the 5-10mg (not mcg!!!) per day range-Lil expensive, huh?
Bionic

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

I can personaly attest to one professional bb that used to lived in my area that swore by it. He would take 14iu's a day for 4 months along with other gear and just explode. Granted he was a freak of nature but still he would go from 220lbs upto 255lb comp weight in about 4 months. His first name's Kevin. So to say growth doesn't do much I have to disagree.....I don't have scientific proof but I do have eyes!
FKH

 

[dbol88]

My buddy won his class at this years canadian nationals using AAS ,GH,and slin.He said the gh allowed him to bulk up while actually getting leaner.In two months he gained 22lbs and was actually leaner.When he was cutting for the show with GH he actually had to cheat and cut cardio because he was losing weight to fast.He said the GH was amazing and this a guy who has been to nationals 5 times and has placed top 5 in north americans.I always prefer real world anecdotal evidence versus lab studies.For christs sakes medical books into the 70's said steriods only had placebo effects.

 

[HardHat87]

From what I have read r3/igf 1 is effective to build muscle and cut fat as well. People don't see as much weight gain as on aas because there is no bloat or fat gained. The average gain is about 2 pounds of MUSCLE a week. It is also intensified while on a cycle of aas. As far as HGH I think it is effective if you have about 1-2 grand a month to spend on a propler cycle of it. The reason why most people don't see great results is because they are not using enough to make it worth it. As far as being compared to each other I have read by people who have used both that the igf1 is better than GH. I plan on trying r3/igf1 on my next cycle. There are other places you can get this in media grade for about half the price of the receptor grade at 1mg/ml. Some people say it is not as good, but I have heard nothing but positive results from the media grade.