Getting older

[dandyjohn61]

At 35 6’3 210-220lbs I was putting on good size and strength using various cycles. Bench got up to 345lbs which was pretty good for me as I was always a skinny lanky guy.
Enter back into my career, meet a girl have a couple kids and 13 years later I’ve remained on trtt but always took long breaks from the gym and lost nearly all my strength. Held onto my weight and most of my size for the most part but down around 200-205 and just not pumped. About 3-4 months ago I tried a cycle of deca/tren/test and started climbing well again in strength until I tore my rotator cuff. So I backed off and came off and haven’t gone back to working out as much. Lost all my pump rather quickly.
I’m just at an age with my slower paced and somewhat sedentary lifestyle due to my job and thinking do I want to put thousands of dollars into the rotator cuff surgery or give up the dream up building good strengths and invest that money in some good anabolic/peptides/sarms instead which may assist in my injury repair along with PT and also help with gaining a little size and just feeling better with the help of a different workout approach.
I feel my joints and tendons are just generally weak from my lifestyle. So if I go the chemical route what would be suggested? Hgh? Switch to a less androgenic test such as boldenone. Or what? Haven’t researched todays offerings and only going by what was avail 13 years ago. My legs need work and my knees are very weak and achey. What would be suggested to get me back to a more productive situation i the gym? I know I’ll get alot of “I’m 65 and jacked replies”, and that’s great but I’d like to consider my situation as we are not all blessed with the greatest genetics.

 

[dylangemelli]

you should definitely go with a very strong sarms and peptides healing stack

[FONT=&quot]SARMS AND PEPTIDES HEALING STACK[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]for the best quality sarms and peptides visit either https://sarms.forsale or https://umbrellalabs.is[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1-12 Mk677 (NUTROBAL) 25 mg day dosed once a day in the p.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 lgd-4033 (ANABOLICUM) 10 mg per day dosed once a day in the a.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 BPC-157 250 - 500 MCG per day [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 TB-500 First 4-6 weeks, 10 MG per week split into 5 MG doses then maintenance at 5 MG once per week[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Mini pct 13-16[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Gw-501516 20 mg day[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mk-677 25 mg day [/FONT]

 

[dandyjohn61]

you should definitely go with a very strong sarms and peptides healing stack

[FONT=&quot]SARMS AND PEPTIDES HEALING STACK[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]for the best quality sarms and peptides visit either https://sarms.forsale or https://umbrellalabs.is[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 Mk677 (NUTROBAL) 25 mg day dosed once a day in the p.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 lgd-4033 (ANABOLICUM) 10 mg per day dosed once a day in the a.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 Mk2866 (OSTABOLIC) 25 mg per day first two weeks then bump to 50 mg per day, dosed once a day in the a.m.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 BPC-157 250 - 500 MCG per day [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1-12 TB-500 First 4-6 weeks, 10 MG per week split into 5 MG doses then maintenance at 5 MG once per week[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mini pct 13-16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Gw-501516 20 mg day[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mk-677 25 mg day [/FONT]

Thanks.
First off, do you have any business ties to either of these sites?
Do you have any personal experience with the items you suggested?
When my shoulder issue surfaced this last tube I did run some box-157 at a fairly high dose 750 mcg/day for s couple weeks with no noticeable improvement. It was from purity source labs which I know are legit.
Was it simply not enough and needs to be stacked?

 

[dandyjohn61]

Oh and why a pct that looks like for a test cycle with these sarms? I’m on trt.

 

[Slyderkt]

I can not say anything about 157. I have no experience with it. I do have experience with umbrella labs. Currently running their stuff.
So far so good.
I am also older and do not have great genetics. I have learned the hard way that we can’t do things the same as when you were young. By taking time off for life your little stabilizer muscle get in used and weaker. For shoulders don’t do flys. If you have to, then do them laying on floor. Pec deck is fine.
You need to do some work to strengthen your shoulder and other stabilizer (little muscles).
I am trying to rehab a shoulder myself. I am trying to avoid surgery.. talking with ortho about PRP injection. I can only imagine 157 would need to be run longer. Probably a slow process.
If you run it please log it. We would love to see that success.
Good luck. Glad your back at it while you are still young. It will pay off later.


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[dandyjohn61]

Oh and why a pct that looks like for a test cycle with these sarms? I’m on trt.

Also, wouldn’t this large stack of sarms be hard on the liver?

 

[Ol_Wolf]

I am 47 and had rotator cuff surgery 12 weeks ago. I also take TRT. I started Deca 200 mg a week in two injections 6 weeks after surgery. Per studies performed Nandrolone/Deca have proven to help with tendon healing and repair. My other shoulder had some small issues, but 2 weeks into the Deca and it now feels great. Still not fully released to the gym and doing PT, but I have full range of motion without pain unless I put load on it, then it is more discomfort than pain.

I tried TB-500 for 6 weeks, but the cost of it just doesn't seem worth it. Really can't say I noticed anything and at $75 per week when taking 5 mg a week I can't justify something that isn't giving marked improvements. For $75 I got 10 weeks worth of Deca at 200 mg a week.

I played with SARMS when I didn't know better. SARMs have never made it to human trials where as most Anabolic Steroids are actually FDA approved, if you can find a doctor that will write the script. I will no longer play with SARMS, as I think it is part of the reason I have been dealing with ulcers.

 

[dandyjohn61]

great testimony thanks - I feel sorta the same way... any SARMS pitch you read starts with (as effective as anabolic steroids without the side effects), but I've never noticed any bad side effects from the reasonable amounts of anabolics Ive taken... plus I think SARMS are targeted to those that are just somewhat "worried" about anabolics and the IM injection. And my experience with the bpc-157 left me very disappointed.

 

[dandyjohn61]

oh and mind if I ask you what your surgery cost? I have at least a $1500 deductible to pay then insurance pays 80% up to $3500 then 100% after that

 

[Ol_Wolf]

oh and mind if I ask you what your surgery cost? I have at least a $1500 deductible to pay then insurance pays 80% up to $3500 then 100% after that

With my healthcare plan I pay the marriage penalty. So my base deductible is $3000 and then maximum out of pocket is $7000 then insurance pays the rest. If my wife was not on the policy those numbers would be $1500 and $3500 respectively.

So while the bill for the actual surgery was around $35,000 I didn't pay anything as I had already met my max out of pocket of $7000 due to attempting to have a deviated septum repaired earlier in the year. All and all I looked into my billing and while I payed $7000 total, actual payments made by me and my insurance provider for last year totaled $98,438. You could say I got my money's worth last year. Also that total covered my Physical therapy until the new year started. If you are on a plan that has a maximum out of pocket I would get the shoulder surgery done early in the year so that all your physical therapy would be covered and at the same time consider any other surgeries or healthcare needs you have and get them all done in the same year.

 

[Slyderkt]

I have read conflicting stories about Deca.
Some say it helps heal. But most studies say it does not actually help heal. However it does lubricate the joints. That make you feel better. Feeling better makes you stronger. Feeling stronger makes all the muscles work together as they should. Not being in pain makes your body work better.
With everything working better you body will naturally heal its self with out the restrictions. That is why people think it heals.
Of course that is only my opinion.
That is why I am also doing the same.
I am rehabbing a bad shoulder, trying to avoid surgery. I am running 200 mg Deca per week. Split dose.
Typically if on TRT you will not need a PCT. I have had good luck with Sarms so far.
I am 56.


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[dandyjohn61]

With my healthcare plan I pay the marriage penalty. So my base deductible is $3000 and then maximum out of pocket is $7000 then insurance pays the rest. If my wife was not on the policy those numbers would be $1500 and $3500 respectively.

So while the bill for the actual surgery was around $35,000 I didn't pay anything as I had already met my max out of pocket of $7000 due to attempting to have a deviated septum repaired earlier in the year. All and all I looked into my billing and while I payed $7000 total, actual payments made by me and my insurance provider for last year totaled $98,438. You could say I got my money's worth last year. Also that total covered my Physical therapy until the new year started. If you are on a plan that has a maximum out of pocket I would get the shoulder surgery done early in the year so that all your physical therapy would be covered and at the same time consider any other surgeries or healthcare needs you have and get them all done in the same year.

ah yes, that make sense... paid the deductible so lets maximize the benefits. thanks for that info... I guess now is a good time to get this. You been a big help - thanks

 

[dandyjohn61]

I have read conflicting stories about Deca.
Some say it helps heal. But most studies say it does not actually help heal. However it does lubricate the joints. That make you feel better. Feeling better makes you stronger. Feeling stronger makes all the muscles work together as they should. Not being in pain makes your body work better.
With everything working better you body will naturally heal its self with out the restrictions. That is why people think it heals.
Of course that is only my opinion.
That is why I am also doing the same.
I am rehabbing a bad shoulder, trying to avoid surgery. I am running 200 mg Deca per week. Split dose.
Typically if on TRT you will not need a PCT. I have had good luck with Sarms so far.
I am 56.


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thanks - what sarms do you personally endorse and what benefit did you see from them?

 

[Slyderkt]

I like gw 50156 with everything. Great for endurance and stamina.

S4 was good but I got the vision sides so I stay away from it.
YK11 was good and is strong
S23 same thing it about the strongest.
Rad 140
Lgd
Sr 9009 in all my cutting stacks.
ACP 150 going to try it next.

I have only had the vision side. No other issues.
Dylan gives great layouts. Sometimes I don’t want to spend as much as the full stack he lays out. So I pick a couple.

Problem is I never ran stuff one at a time.
I wish I had done that so I knew better which one did what.
I use to log my cycles on another form but I can’t seem to get it to load on my phone.
Otherwise I would know more.
I remember running yk11 about three years ago and it went well.
Currently I am running
Test, Deca anavar With
GW and Rad 140 from umbrella labs. This is first time with them. I upgraded to their polycell. (Wonder if that would help ulcer)Taste is not noticeable.
I used Sarms for sale in past and zero complaints.
I don’t know what in Sarms could cause ulcer. I had issues with a carrier oil in test from one place. Lots of little water pimples on arms. Actually scared me bad before I figured it out. I am trt also



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[stevesmi]

dylan and slyder gave you some really good tips here

anything else you have a question about let us know

 

[Slyderkt]

Wanted to make one point. I am not recommending the cycle I am on for you in this case.
I do think Deca is not a bad idea. I am trying it now. Hoping the lubricating of joints helps.
Anavar is odd in my cycle since I am trying to add size while trying rehab shoulder.
GW and RAD seem fits in most cycles.
I assume you have seen an ortho and had an MRI.
I am not sure how to heal a cuff tear while working out. Seems like it would heal the re tear and you will not make progress.
Mine in not a confirmed tear. I have other things wrong. Plus a bulge in cuff and they only assume a small tear is in there but not sure. If I was smart I would probably immobilize the shoulder and let heal. But nobody said I was smart. Haha



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[dandyjohn61]

haha - well yes I did see 2 orthos and got an mri... It is a confirmed full rotator cuff tear... so i will hold off on deca (no need to take now before surgery), get the surgery and do just what ol_wolf has done. Sounds most logical to me. thanks for all the good input... Here's to a shitty next 6 mos.

 

[Slyderkt]

Bummer that sucks. Good thing is you know what the issue is and have game plan.
Once back work hard on strengthening up both rotar cuffs.
Once you hurt the shoulder you realize how much you use them.
Lots of leg days for awhile.
Good luck and keep us posted.


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[Ol_Wolf]

haha - well yes I did see 2 orthos and got an mri... It is a confirmed full rotator cuff tear... so i will hold off on deca (no need to take now before surgery), get the surgery and do just what ol_wolf has done. Sounds most logical to me. thanks for all the good input... Here's to a shitty next 6 mos.

If you get a good Physical Therapist they will start making you sweat about 8 weeks post recovery. A couple of pounds don't sound like much, but when you are using time under tension techniques things get interesting really quick.

 

[dandyjohn61]

so my shoulder surgery is scheduled in 2 months from now (maybe sooner if any cancellations)... would it be beneficial to start adding in some deca to my weekly trt shot now... I could still work legs and perhaps it may help with some of the healing from the surgery? thoughts?

 

[Slyderkt]

You might want to ask your dr.
It’s a long ester so you inject for weeks before it starts to work. Then after last shot it continues to work for awhile


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[dylangemelli]

Thanks.
First off, do you have any business ties to either of these sites?
Do you have any personal experience with the items you suggested?
When my shoulder issue surfaced this last tube I did run some box-157 at a fairly high dose 750 mcg/day for s couple weeks with no noticeable improvement. It was from purity source labs which I know are legit.
Was it simply not enough and needs to be stacked?

I have used everything listed... none of these have any sort of toxicity whatsoever... sarms are NOT toxic... i also have a video thoroughly discussing the stack...

also, talking about quality... umbrella and s4s SPECIALIZE in these products and are not just resellers.. they produce them which is a HUGE difference as opposed to just reselling another product... which can be dicey at best...

i overlooked the fact you are on trt so no pct is needed in that circumstance as well

 

[Fella Finn]

There is no toxicity with sarms and I assure you that Umbrella Labs and Sarms4Sale are industry leaders and favorites which is verifiable ALL OVER the internet and as Dylan said, they produce them and do not just resell them, which is a major difference. This is their specialty.

You can get decent ice cream at fast food places in some circumstances but you are getting premium ice cream from a place that specializes in it, like Baskin Robbins for example. It makes a lot more sense to go with the place that specializes in it

 

[dandyjohn61]

thanks dylan good to know

 

[dandyjohn61]

ask my doctor? nah, we don't have that type of relationship. thx

 

[dandyjohn61]

I have used everything listed... none of these have any sort of toxicity whatsoever... sarms are NOT toxic... i also have a video thoroughly discussing the stack...

also, talking about quality... umbrella and s4s SPECIALIZE in these products and are not just resellers.. they produce them which is a HUGE difference as opposed to just reselling another product... which can be dicey at best...

i overlooked the fact you are on trt so no pct is needed in that circumstance as well

You never answered the first off.
>>>First off, do you have any business ties to either of these sites?

 

[Slyderkt]

ask my doctor? nah, we don't have that type of relationship. thx

That’s a bummer.
I took me several years but I finally have a dr. I can be straight with. He is the one that prescribes me Test, Deca Nandrolone, Anavar and Mk 766.
It is nice cause he makes me do regular blood work and helps with my AI. He keeps my stuff legit and legal. Any thing else outside of that stuff I am on my own. But having him help watch my bloods makes me feel better. So when I got my Ortho I have been straight with him also. Of course I am just barely starting with steroids, and not running anything crazy.



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