Get on board and enjoy the ride! Bulking cycle.

[Essie]

All right:

Age: Old Enough to cycle
Height: 5'11" (ish)
Weight: 187 (85kg)
BF%: Finally got down to 15%
Training: Changing routine now - have been weight training for more than a decade consistently except last year when I broke my back coming off of my ZX-11 - muscle memory returned good these last 6 months and got the go ahead from the Ortho to start lifting heavy again. Going to use the SL5x5 program on my bulk and once a week I'll be doing a 1RM on every excercise to gauge strength increase.
Diet: Have been on an IF (16hrs vasted daily) routine and some Keto as well over the last few months. Dropped BF from 24% to 15% el-naturale over the last 6 months. Couldn't do as much or intense cardio as I would've liked to due to working hours. Changing it up to a 6-meals-a-day plan with ratios P : C : F at 50 : 30 : 20. Busy with the macros still.

Now for the exciting stuff, seeing that the diet and training (important stuff) is just about squared away. Oh yeah ... working hours changed gor the better following my promotion ... from now on I work only 07:00 - 16:00 Mo - Fri ... WOO-HOO!

Wk 1-5 - DBol @ 40mg/day Mo-Fri - Wknds off to spare my liver
Wk 1 - 20 - Cyp @ 250mg/wk
Wk 7-16 - Nan Deca @ 350mg/wk
Wk 20 - 24 - Winny @ 20mg/day - I know the dosage is low, but I suffer from SEVERE joint pain on Winny, even with Taurine and Glucosamine ... and it still hardens me up a bit even @ 20mg/day
Have Caber and Aromasin on hand in case ... though I've never had any estro sides from test except some retention on DBol, but within 3 weeks after the front load it usually drops (and so does my size and strength
HCG will be pinned @ 200iu x 2 a week once the boys start shrinking away (usually around week 4/5) until week 20 and then again during PCT.
PCT is planned out old school as it is too expensive for me to import any NTBM products and I have always had success in recovery with this PCT. It is as follows:

Starting week 25 (4 wks following last Cyp pin, 8 wks following last Deca pin and the week after Winny completed) and running it for 5 weeks:

Wk 25: Clomid @ 2x50mg/day
Wk 26-28: HCG @ 500iu x 2 EOD; Nolva @ 20mg ED; Aromasin @ 20mg ED
Wks 29-30: Aromasin and Nolva @ 20mg ED

I know a lot of people are going to scream murder with Nolva after a Nandrolone (more so with the Deca ester attached) cycle ... and I know it affects aromatizing more ... hence the extra Aromasin in PCT. Besides ... how many years have people run Nolva following a Deca cycle and never grew tits? Not trying to spark up a fire here, just observing.

 

[Arabian]

I think your cycle looks great. Essie, you have been around along time so I know your diet and training are intact. Looks good and do what you want to. Let us know how you progress buddy.

 

[stevesmi]

thats a hardcore cycle and you will have great gains on that. however your pct is way too short.. you are running 25 weeks of gear if you count esters and your pct barely makes it past that week.

i'm surprised that pct has worked for you and actually what is happening is your esters are overlapping the pct giving the impression that it is working whe n it isn't. once you come off those SERM's your LH and T will tank back down then what? you are stuck with your pants down. 12 week pct is gonna be needed if you truely want to recover, but i wouldn't use SERM's the whole way.. if you insist use them at first and then incorporate T stack for 8 weeks the rest of the way.

 

[C0LUMB0]

All right:

Age: Old Enough to cycle
Height: 5'11" (ish)
Weight: 187 (85kg)
BF%: Finally got down to 15%
Training: Changing routine now - have been weight training for more than a decade consistently except last year when I broke my back coming off of my ZX-11 - muscle memory returned good these last 6 months and got the go ahead from the Ortho to start lifting heavy again. Going to use the SL5x5 program on my bulk and once a week I'll be doing a 1RM on every excercise to gauge strength increase.
Diet: Have been on an IF (16hrs vasted daily) routine and some Keto as well over the last few months. Dropped BF from 24% to 15% el-naturale over the last 6 months. Couldn't do as much or intense cardio as I would've liked to due to working hours. Changing it up to a 6-meals-a-day plan with ratios P : C : F at 50 : 30 : 20. Busy with the macros still.

Now for the exciting stuff, seeing that the diet and training (important stuff) is just about squared away. Oh yeah ... working hours changed gor the better following my promotion ... from now on I work only 07:00 - 16:00 Mo - Fri ... WOO-HOO!

Wk 1-5 - DBol @ 40mg/day Mo-Fri - Wknds off to spare my liver
Wk 1 - 20 - Cyp @ 250mg/wk
Wk 7-16 - Nan Deca @ 350mg/wk
Wk 20 - 24 - Winny @ 20mg/day - I know the dosage is low, but I suffer from SEVERE joint pain on Winny, even with Taurine and Glucosamine ... and it still hardens me up a bit even @ 20mg/day
Have Caber and Aromasin on hand in case ... though I've never had any estro sides from test except some retention on DBol, but within 3 weeks after the front load it usually drops (and so does my size and strength
HCG will be pinned @ 200iu x 2 a week once the boys start shrinking away (usually around week 4/5) until week 20 and then again during PCT.
PCT is planned out old school as it is too expensive for me to import any NTBM products and I have always had success in recovery with this PCT. It is as follows:

Starting week 25 (4 wks following last Cyp pin, 8 wks following last Deca pin and the week after Winny completed) and running it for 5 weeks:

Wk 25: Clomid @ 2x50mg/day
Wk 26-28: HCG @ 500iu x 2 EOD; Nolva @ 20mg ED; Aromasin @ 20mg ED
Wks 29-30: Aromasin and Nolva @ 20mg ED

I know a lot of people are going to scream murder with Nolva after a Nandrolone (more so with the Deca ester attached) cycle ... and I know it affects aromatizing more ... hence the extra Aromasin in PCT. Besides ... how many years have people run Nolva following a Deca cycle and never grew tits? Not trying to spark up a fire here, just observing.

dbol @ 40mg is gtg
i'd run the test @ 500mg
start the deca at week 1 and right upto week 16
drop the winny if its giving your joints hell and use var
no need for 2 serms , drop the nolva...run some unleashed and daa with the clomid and aromasin.

 

[Essie]

thats a hardcore cycle and you will have great gains on that. however your pct is way too short.. you are running 25 weeks of gear if you count esters and your pct barely makes it past that week.

i'm surprised that pct has worked for you and actually what is happening is your esters are overlapping the pct giving the impression that it is working whe n it isn't. once you come off those SERM's your LH and T will tank back down then what? you are stuck with your pants down. 12 week pct is gonna be needed if you truely want to recover, but i wouldn't use SERM's the whole way.. if you insist use them at first and then incorporate T stack for 8 weeks the rest of the way.

Lol. I KNEW that you would jump at my PCT ... i just KNEW it!!! . PCT starts 8 weeks after my last Deca shot and 4 weeks after Cyp ... But I did not really sit and calculate the exact half-lives of the esters. Perhaps I should ... I am following my SERM stack with 10 weeks of Tribulus Terrestris, ZMA, Vit B6, Taurine, Eurycoma Longifolia and HCG. All of that helps to naturally boost and stabilise Test production and levels. I have to work with what is available to me locally, unfortunately ... Our currency is currently 10.43 to $1 ... Oh yeah ... Never ran the Deca before ... Curious to see what turns up.

 

[Essie]

dbol @ 40mg is gtg
i'd run the test @ 500mg
start the deca at week 1 and right upto week 16
drop the winny if its giving your joints hell and use var
no need for 2 serms , drop the nolva...run some unleashed and daa with the clomid and aromasin.

Mr Detective ... Lol.

Would luuuurve to run the test @ 500 and on a cycle without Deca I would have, but it would just add to the Deca sides, which I would like to keep down to a minimum. The Cyp is there for shagging purposes more than gaining, I would like to see the effect of Nandrolone first hand, so I'll be letting IT do most the work. I am considering adding GHRP-6 to the cycle for the appetite boost ... But it' sold out at all my sources and customs have really been nailing AAS lately ... Have been waiting 18wks for Peptides ... Still nothing. Same shit with gear and powder ... Nothing seems to come through except letters from customs. Var is not available, Deca is not available, just about nada is except some shit from a UGL I have NEVER heard of and the Winny is what I have. I'll just add some extra flax seed oil and avo's ... It usually alleviates it somewhat. Thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

Lol. I KNEW that you would jump at my PCT ... i just KNEW it!!! . PCT starts 8 weeks after my last Deca shot and 4 weeks after Cyp ... But I did not really sit and calculate the exact half-lives of the esters. Perhaps I should ... I am following my SERM stack with 10 weeks of Tribulus Terrestris, ZMA, Vit B6, Taurine, Eurycoma Longifolia and HCG. All of that helps to naturally boost and stabilise Test production and levels. I have to work with what is available to me locally, unfortunately ... Our currency is currently 10.43 to $1 ... Oh yeah ... Never ran the Dea before ... Curious to see what turns up.

yeah that would work if you are starting after.. the issue i have is depending too much on SERM's because of the crash of your LH and T levels when they clear out. i'm saying run a bottle of T stack once you stop those to give yourself relief

 

[Essie]

I think your cycle looks great. Essie, you have been around along time so I know your diet and training are intact. Looks good and do what you want to. Let us know how you progress buddy.

Thank you thank you kind Sir! Lol! As soon as everything is squared away 100% I'll turn this into my log. Can't ( and won't ) promise daily pdates, but least 3 / wk

 

[Essie]

yeah that would work if you are starting after.. the issue i have is depending too much on SERM's because of the crash of your LH and T levels when they clear out. i'm saying run a bottle of T stack once you stop those to give yourself relief

Yeah, I am starting with all those other ones a week after I stopped with the SERM PCT. once SERM cleared out, natural test boost and stabilising assist comes into play. Perhaps I should start saving now and by the time I start my PCT I'll have enough saved up to purchase and import T Stack 17 ... DYum ... Shit's expensive!

 

[C0LUMB0]

Mr Detective ... Lol.

Would luuuurve to run the test @ 500 and on a cycle without Deca I would have, but it would just add to the Deca sides, which I would like to keep down to a minimum. The Cyp is there for shagging purposes more than gaining, I would like to see the effect of Nandrolone first hand, so I'll be letting IT do most the work. I am considering adding GHRP-6 to the cycle for the appetite boost ... But it' sold out at all my sources and customs have really been nailing AAS lately ... Have been waiting 18wks for Peptides ... Still nothing. Same shit with gear and powder ... Nothing seems to come through except letters from customs. Var is not available, Deca is not available, just about nada is except some shit from a UGL I have NEVER heard of and the Winny is what I have. I'll just add some extra flax seed oil and avo's ... It usually alleviates it somewhat. Thanks.

Bumping your test wont make deca sides any worse bro, you are running an AI throughout - so bloat will be minimised your caber will keep prolactin in check and IMO the higher dose of test will yield better gains and also help keep your pecker in good working order.
have you looked at the proven effect that unleashed has on shbg ? its worth the few extra dollars bro.
either way ..good luck and enjoy the cycle

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah, I am starting with all those other ones a week after I stopped with the SERM PCT. once SERM cleared out, natural test boost and stabilising assist comes into play. Perhaps I should start saving now and by the time I start my PCT I'll have enough saved up to purchase and import T Stack 17 ... DYum ... Shit's expensive!

you could get away with 1 cap a day of T stack which would mean a bottle lasts you 3 months.. its still better than just leaving yourself out to dry. like i said that is assuming you really want to recover, otherwise just stay on and to hell with it. deca takes about 6 months to recover, its a stubborn and long ester to shake off. just let me know when you are ready for a bottle and i will hook you up with the latest discount on it

 

[Essie]

you could get away with 1 cap a day of T stack which would mean a bottle lasts you 3 months.. its still better than just leaving yourself out to dry. like i said that is assuming you really want to recover, otherwise just stay on and to hell with it. deca takes about 6 months to recover, its a stubborn and long ester to shake off. just let me know when you are ready for a bottle and i will hook you up with the latest discount on it

Schweet ... Will bump you when I have the cents together ... Any discount will help thanks!

 

[ceo]

Wk 1-5 - DBol @ 40mg/day Mo-Fri - Wknds off to spare my liver
Wk 1 - 20 - Cyp @ 250mg/wk
Wk 7-16 - Nan Deca @ 350mg/wk
Wk 20 - 24 - Winny @ 20mg/day - I know the dosage is low, but I suffer from SEVERE joint pain on Winny, even with Taurine and Glucosamine ... and it still hardens me up a bit even @ 20mg/day
Have Caber and Aromasin on hand in case ... though I've never had any estro sides from test except some retention on DBol, but within 3 weeks after the front load it usually drops (and so does my size and strength
HCG will be pinned @ 200iu x 2 a week once the boys start shrinking away (usually around week 4/5) until week 20 and then again during PCT.
PCT is planned out old school as it is too expensive for me to import any NTBM products and I have always had success in recovery with this PCT. It is as follows:

Starting week 25 (4 wks following last Cyp pin, 8 wks following last Deca pin and the week after Winny completed) and running it for 5 weeks:

Wk 25: Clomid @ 2x50mg/day
Wk 26-28: HCG @ 500iu x 2 EOD; Nolva @ 20mg ED; Aromasin @ 20mg ED
Wks 29-30: Aromasin and Nolva @ 20mg ED


Lol. I KNEW that you would jump at my PCT ... i just KNEW it!!! . PCT starts 8 weeks after my last Deca shot and 4 weeks after Cyp ... But I did not really sit and calculate the exact half-lives of the esters. Perhaps I should ... I am following my SERM stack with 10 weeks of Tribulus Terrestris, ZMA, Vit B6, Taurine, Eurycoma Longifolia and HCG. All of that helps to naturally boost and stabilise Test production and levels. I have to work with what is available to me locally, unfortunately ... Our currency is currently 10.43 to $1 ... Oh yeah ... Never ran the Deca before ... Curious to see what turns up.

I'd run more test, but I saw your reasons for not doing so. Looks like you've planned this all out. Still, if you can...do. I'd also run the deca starting from week one for sure (if you can). Also not sure why you are running winny out there all by itself? It could be run weeks 17-20.

This is what I would probably do, but you can tweak it with your own supps and stuff. Use HCG during cycle on weeks 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, and 24 at 500IU twice a week, and Aromasin at 12.5mg Every other day to every 3rd day throughout cycle and all the way through PCT (should be more than fine E3D with 250mg test).

PCT - Starting 2 weeks after last injection of Test C (or, if you keep it that way with winny weeks 20-24, then start right after you finish winny):
weeks 1-2 (of PCT) Clomid 25mg/day, Nolvadex 40mg/day, (continue aromasin) (note: I may not even use clomid because personally, I don't care for it, that's why I would cut the dose in half or cut it out altogether - that's MY personal preference)
weeks 3-4 Clomid 12.5mg/day, Nolvadex 20mg/day, (continue aromasin) Add natural test stimulator/booster: HCGenerate, plus DAA (both at predatornutrition.com) or Methyl EAA on 4th week of PCT.
Weeks 5-6 Nolvadex 10mg/day, (continue aromasin), Continue HCGenerate and the DAA or Methyl EAA.
Weeks 7-10+ (Post PCT - more natty products than drugs, to help support the work the drugs just did). Continue HCGenerate (use this for 7 weeks or more, and if you have erectile (ED) issues, use HCGenerate ES), and your DAA or Methyl EAA. Add: FormaStanzol at 3 pumps twice a day for 6-7 weeks (weeks 7-12/13) OR: Forged MHO Poppers

Doses can be adjusted where needed (more clomid, less nolva, less aromasin, no Forma, etc., but I think the time frame is good. Of course this doesn't take into account adding in any sarms or peptides.

So, I'd structure things slightly differently, but it sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this, and I know you have experience.

 

[goin on 4T]

Yeah run the winny week 17-20
Looks great bro, enjoy that shit!

 

[RickRock13]

I would run Test higher than Deca, and start the Deca from day 1, just as others have mentioned. Most everything else looks well planned. Just make sure you have a good PCT lined up. Feel free to PM me with any questions you may have

 

[Essie]

Okay ... tried adding some press exercises into the SL5X5 program, but seems to my own detriment. Did machine military presses and seated dumb bell presses with my squats, bench and dead lifts this morning. Turns out to be a VERY BAD idea. My back hurts like it hasn't done in a looooooong time. I wore a belt to stabilize everything, but it seems that those types of exercises on a back suffering from a compression fracture is stupid. Mental note made. Moving on. It really sucks balls to start all the way at the bottom with your weight training. I am lifting/pushing mini-weights in comparison to before the accident, but I am very familiar with muscle memory and know that I'll be back to where I was by the time I finish my second cycle in the last quarter of next year (basically a year from now). Started my front load today and I know it's all mental right now, but I feel better about myself already, just KNOWING that I have some Test running through these here veins! LOL! First time cycling (not bicycling, mind you) in over 2 years!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Ok....I'll throw in my two cents.

Don't take the weekends off with the dbol. If you're going to run it just keep it build up in your system. Drink tons of water obviously. DONT USE MILK THISTLE. It has been brought to my attention that it seriously fucks with your androgen receptors. You can google it is you like. I forget the actual scientific name for milk thistle. There are lots of other things you can run for a healthy liver.

With going so long I would recommend a taper up protocol. If you read any of Ledhed's long "Ledhed unleashed" thread it gets into why this is a good idea. Myostatin, slight regular dose increases to avoid the body adapting and keep you growing ect.

No input on the winstrol. I've never run it. Tendons are too fucked up.

 

[Elrock]

I'm in for the ride when you get everything squared away and start the log. Best of luck!

 

[Elrock]

Ok....I'll throw in my two cents.

Don't take the weekends off with the dbol. If you're going to run it just keep it build up in your system. Drink tons of water obviously. DONT USE MILK THISTLE. It has been brought to my attention that it seriously fucks with your androgen receptors. You can google it is you like. I forget the actual scientific name for milk thistle. There are lots of other things you can run for a healthy liver.

With going so long I would recommend a taper up protocol. If you read any of Ledhed's long "Ledhed unleashed" thread it gets into why this is a good idea. Myostatin, slight regular dose increases to avoid the body adapting and keep you growing ect.

No input on the winstrol. I've never run it. Tendons are too fucked up.

This is the first I have read/heard that milk thistle messes with androgen receptors. Anybody have any more info on this? Or can someone post up a study/article about this?

 

[bonacris]

Doesnt n2guard have milk thistle in it

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[burnthiscorpse]

This is the first I have read/heard that milk thistle messes with androgen receptors. Anybody have any more info on this? Or can someone post up a study/article about this?

Silymarin is the scientific name I was looking for. Google it.